Shamima Begum loses citizenship removal appeal bid [Post Updated #689]

[SalimBhai]

Nope.

Turkey turned a blind eye for a while because they didn't want to be attacked. ISIS actually burned two Turkish soldiers alive.

It is laughable to try to tie Turkey to ISIS.

Turkey also armed Syrian rebels in hopes of toppling asad in the beginning stages

 

[James]

No more personal remarks to be made.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Turkey also armed Syrian rebels in hopes of toppling asad in the beginning stages

Turkey is a Nato member.

 

[SalimBhai]

Turkey is a Nato member.

Yes. And

 

[Technics 1210]

Turkey is a Nato member.

Don't bother with the facts.

The biggest critics of this war don't even live in Europe, they live in the media.

 

[JaDed]

Yes, but you can strip somebody off their citizenship only if they hold another passport, so that you don’t make them entirely stateless. If I understand right, she doesn’t have Bangladeshi passport.

And even here in US, citizenship cannot be stripped for only people born here. Under some grave circumstances, naturalized citizens can be stripped of US citizenship.

Yup I can’t believe someone born in UK can be stripped off their citizenship.

 

[Robert]

I wonder how much of the 6 part podcast they go into detail of her being used/sent by western intelligence?

Let’s listen and find out. Remember that the Beeb broke the Canadian intelligence story….

 

[JaDed]

Canadian Intelligence must be the worst one by far, they were involved in killing their own people during the Air India bombing that their Courts had to criticize their absolute stupidity.

Canada gets a lot of good press but their Liberal parties interfere the most in other countries affairs.

Have to say their Conservative party isn’t as bad historically but i heard they are racist now?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let’s listen and find out. Remember that the Beeb broke the Canadian intelligence story….

It try not to listen or watch anything on the BBC. But if you do ,please point me to the episode which discusses this, id appreciate it.

We also need to remember she wasnt the only child groomed and sent to ISIS from the west. These are horrific crimes of child trafficking esp to evil such as ISIS.

 

[Robert]

Yup I can’t believe someone born in UK can be stripped off their citizenship.

The old place has gone more and more authoritarian in the last six years. The right to peaceful protest is largely gone too - you can get arrested for being “seriously annoying” now.

 

[JaDed]

The old place has gone more and more authoritarian in the last six years. The right to peaceful protest is largely gone too - you can get arrested for being “seriously annoying” now.

It’s really unfortunate, for all the flak USA gets the laws are same for all born here atleast.(rich vs poor still is an issue).

Since 1992 US has come long way.. UK has gone to another direction.

 

[Robert]

It try not to listen or watch anything on the BBC. But if you do ,please point me to the episode which discusses this, id appreciate it.

We also need to remember she wasnt the only child groomed and sent to ISIS from the west. These are horrific crimes of child trafficking esp to evil such as ISIS.

Here is episode 1:

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/shamima-begum-podcast-bbc-sounds

 

[Technics 1210]

It try not to listen or watch anything on the BBC. But if you do ,please point me to the episode which discusses this, id appreciate it.

We also need to remember she wasnt the only child groomed and sent to ISIS from the west. These are horrific crimes of child trafficking esp to evil such as ISIS.

We should also remember the Government, Labour, granted IRA terrorists immunity from prosecution, while Amreeka funded the IRA.

It seems to me that Christian terrorists are given special privileges despite killing more people in the UK than any terrorist group in history. The worse part is there are many who sympathise with the IRA, and this is accepted as the norm.

But a girl who was groomed into joining ISIS, a creation of West, is stripped off her rights, only serves to prove, racism exists in terrorism too!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Here is episode 1:

https://www.bbc.com/mediacentre/2022/shamima-begum-podcast-bbc-sounds

Thanks Robert

We should also remember the Government, Labour, granted IRA terrorists immunity from prosecution, while Amreeka funded the IRA.

It seems to me that Christian terrorists are given special privileges despite killing more people in the UK than any terrorist group in history. The worse part is there are many who sympathise with the IRA, and this is accepted as the norm.

But a girl who was groomed into joining ISIS, a creation of West, is stripped off her rights, only serves to prove, racism exists in terrorism too!

The US has created and supported more terrorist groups than I have had Sunday dinners. South America alone saw hundreds of thousands killed by US backed terrorists. Remember Los Pepes at the time of Pablo in Columbia, yep you've guessed it a US creation.

Yep they take her rights after sending her to a group they support. Even the greatest fiction writer couldnt make this up.

 

[sweep_shot]

Canadian Intelligence must be the worst one by far, they were involved in killing their own people during the Air India bombing that their Courts had to criticize their absolute stupidity.

Canada gets a lot of good press but their Liberal parties interfere the most in other countries affairs.

Have to say their Conservative party isn’t as bad historically but i heard they are racist now?

I have lived through Conservative Harper's government (2006-2015). Never faced any issue.

If anything, I think living standard/quality of life has gone down under liberal Justin Trudeau.

The fact they (Canadian intelligence) helped in trafficking this poor girl was a disgrace. I wonder how many more young boys/girls were entrapped. I also feel CIA was involved somehow.

 

[JaDed]

I have lived through Conservative Harper's government (2006-2015). Never faced any issue.

If anything, I think living standard/quality of life has gone down under liberal Justin Trudeau.

The fact they (Canadian intelligence) helped in trafficking this poor girl was a disgrace. I wonder how many more young boys/girls were entrapped. I also feel CIA was involved somehow.

Let’s not make assumptions but on reporting alone Canadian intelligence is involved in multiple incidents from 1970s.

For a country that no one has an issue with they time and again have interfered in others.
Worst is they don’t even have any business interest in these countries but they end up getting all good press just because of Liberal party welcoming the refugees.

The current Liberal party of Canada is the biggest hypocrite ever in western hemisphere, the way they labelled the truck drivers strike was fot everyone to see.

Harper was actually pretty good and not a racist, can’t say the same about everyone in Conservative party.

 

[Robert]

Thanks Robert



The US has created and supported more terrorist groups than I have had Sunday dinners. South America alone saw hundreds of thousands killed by US backed terrorists. Remember Los Pepes at the time of Pablo in Columbia, yep you've guessed it a US creation.

Yep they take her rights after sending her to a group they support. Even the greatest fiction writer couldnt make this up.

It’s important to remember that US govt did not back the IRA. They put diplomatic pressure on all parties to help broker the Good Friday Agreement, of which they were signatories.

Certain American private citizens who identified as ethnically Irish supported the IRA financially and with gun-running operations. Their ancestors were starved out of Ireland in the Famine of 1843-44 and they hated the British.

The people I respect roll their sleeves up and try to make things better. Aherne, Hume, Trimble, Major, Mowlam - even McGuinness and Adams walked the path of peace in the end. RTÉ voted Hume the Greatest Ever Irishman. To quote Matthew 5:9 - “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called Children of God”.

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Begum wanted to go to ISIL after being groomed on-line. This reported Canadian intelligence officer is alleged to have helped her to get there, not groom her in the first place. She had agency in this and so did ISIL.

As I said further up, Begum is born in Britain, should be brought home, and rehabilitated. If she is guilty of a crime, let her stand trial before her peers. That’s how a decent liberal nation behaves. That’s how the Britain I want to live in behaves.

Let’s listen to the podcast.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s important to remember that US govt did not back the IRA. They put diplomatic pressure on all parties to help broker the Good Friday Agreement, of which they were signatories.

Certain American private citizens who identified as ethnically Irish supported the IRA financially and with gun-running operations. Their ancestors were starved out of Ireland in the Famine of 1843-44 and they hated the British.

The people I respect roll their sleeves up and try to make things better. Aherne, Hume, Trimble, Major, Mowlam - even McGuinness and Adams walked the path of peace in the end. RTÉ voted Hume the Greatest Ever Irishman. To quote Matthew 5:9 - “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called Children of God”.

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Begum wanted to go to ISIL after being groomed on-line. This reported Canadian intelligence officer is alleged to have helped her to get there, not groom her in the first place. She had agency in this and so did ISIL.

As I said further up, Begum is born in Britain, should be brought home, and rehabilitated. If she is guilty of a crime, let her stand trial before her peers. That’s how a decent liberal nation behaves. That’s how the Britain I want to live in behaves.

Let’s listen to the podcast.

Didnt the US send masses of ammunition and other weapons to the IRA?

I'd be here all day listing all the terrorist groups USA created/supported.

So Ill stick to the ones in Syria.

Begum was a CHILD. This is like saying a 15 year old girl in Rochdale wanted to go to....

She was a confused child and was groomed by western intelligence imo, we just arent aware of the communication's she had with the Canadian or British intelligence agents, unless you a privy to those, please share?

I will listen, thanks Robert. But there is no way esp the BBC will want to criticise or accept the truth of what MI5/6 do in covert missions. We still dont see western media demanding answers as to why the west/Nato nations openly supported, backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It’s important to remember that US govt did not back the IRA. They put diplomatic pressure on all parties to help broker the Good Friday Agreement, of which they were signatories.

Certain American private citizens who identified as ethnically Irish supported the IRA financially and with gun-running operations. Their ancestors were starved out of Ireland in the Famine of 1843-44 and they hated the British.

The people I respect roll their sleeves up and try to make things better. Aherne, Hume, Trimble, Major, Mowlam - even McGuinness and Adams walked the path of peace in the end. RTÉ voted Hume the Greatest Ever Irishman. To quote Matthew 5:9 - “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called Children of God”.

—————————————

Begum wanted to go to ISIL after being groomed on-line. This reported Canadian intelligence officer is alleged to have helped her to get there, not groom her in the first place. She had agency in this and so did ISIL.

As I said further up, Begum is born in Britain, should be brought home, and rehabilitated. If she is guilty of a crime, let her stand trial before her peers. That’s how a decent liberal nation behaves. That’s how the Britain I want to live in behaves.

Let’s listen to the podcast.

Didnt the US send masses of ammunition and other weapons to the IRA?

I'd be here all day listing all the terrorist groups USA created/supported.

So Ill stick to the ones in Syria.

Begum was a CHILD. This is like saying a 15 year old girl in Rochdale wanted to go to....

She was a confused child and was groomed by western intelligence imo, we just arent aware of the communication's she had with the Canadian or British intelligence agents, unless you a privy to those, please share?

I will listen, thanks Robert. But there is no way esp the BBC will want to criticise or accept the truth of what MI5/6 do in covert missions. We still dont see western media demanding answers as to why the west/Nato nations openly supported, backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

 

[Robert]

Didnt the US send masses of ammunition and other weapons to the IRA?

Networks of “Boston Irish” private citizens did but the US Gov wouldn’t do that to their chief ally.

Begum was a CHILD. This is like saying a 15 year old girl in Rochdale wanted to go to....

She was a confused child and was groomed by western intelligence imo, we just arent aware of the communication's she had with the Canadian or British intelligence agents, unless you a privy to those, please share?

I will listen, thanks Robert. But there is no way esp the BBC will want to criticise or accept the truth of what MI5/6 do in covert missions. We still dont see western media demanding answers as to why the west/Nato nations openly supported, backed Al-Qaeda and ISIS.

Yes, Begum was a child, which is why I have repeatedly said she should be brought home to UK and rehabilitated.

I am suggesting that she had already been groomed by ISIL before this Canadian agent allegedly used her as an asset.

I don’t think the Beeb would criticise British intelligence services either, other than declassified stuff from decades ago. We all know about Mossadeq for instance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Networks of “Boston Irish” private citizens did but the US Gov wouldn’t do that to their chief ally.


Yes, Begum was a child, which is why I have repeatedly said she should be brought home to UK and rehabilitated.

I am suggesting that she had already been groomed by ISIL before this Canadian agent allegedly used her as an asset.

I don’t think the Beeb would criticise British intelligence services either, other than declassified stuff from decades ago. We all know about Mossadeq for instance.

ISIS or ISIL simply dont have the tech to groom children abroad or the time esp when they were fighting for survival. Imo western agents created a covert operation parading as ISIS to lure young girls into travelling to Syria. We know since the war of terror, covert operations such as this have been common.

Sadly for Shamima the damage has been done, we are smart enough to see she is a child and should be given a fair trail etc but most Brits/westerners just see her as some evil woman. Demonisation by the media is very powerful.

 

[Technics 1210]

Point of note, Liberals will not ridicule those involved in grooming a young girl into joining ISIS (Western Secret Service), but instead sugar coat the ills of the West, by claiming she must be rehabilitated.

Do not fall for this bait and switch trap, this precisely how the ZMSM works.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

I listened to episode 1. Begum described how she traveled to Turkey. The episode ended at her meeting the ISIL agent to take her into Syria.

An old school-chum was interviewed. Said Begum was book-clever but very quiet, lacking an obvious sense of self - in other words the programmable sort that groomers go for.

Episode 2 is next week.

 

[Gilly]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

I listened to episode 1. Begum described how she traveled to Turkey. The episode ended at her meeting the ISIL agent to take her into Syria.

An old school-chum was interviewed. Said Begum was book-clever but very quiet, lacking an obvious sense of self - in other words the programmable sort that groomers go for.

Episode 2 is next week.

She was groomed by western intelligence before she left England.

 

[Robert]

She was groomed by western intelligence before she left England.

No evidence of that had been presented here.

The BBC article that refers to Canadian intelligence says:

At the main Istanbul bus station, the girls met Mohammed Al Rasheed, who would facilitate their journey to IS-controlled Syria.

A senior intelligence officer, at an agency which is part of the global coalition against IS, has confirmed to the BBC that Rasheed was providing information to Canadian intelligence while smuggling people to IS.

So this man Rasheed was playing two sides off against the other, child-smuggling for ISIL while taking the pay of Canadian intelligence for telling them what he was doing.

People should read articles they post before jumping to conclusions about what they actually mean.

 

[Gilly]

I'm a bit confused here Robert.

No evidence of that had been presented here.

I am suggesting that she had already been groomed by ISIL before this Canadian agent allegedly used her as an asset.

.

 

[Robert]

I'm a bit confused here Robert.

Some people on this thread allege that a Canadian agent used her as an asset, but that’s based on an incorrect reading of the posted BBC article.

 

[Gilly]

Some people on this thread allege that a Canadian agent used her as an asset, but that’s based on an incorrect reading of the posted BBC article.

Thank you for clarifying.

 

[sweep_shot]

Some people on this thread allege that a Canadian agent used her as an asset, but that’s based on an incorrect reading of the posted BBC article.

No. That's not incorrect reading.

Are you saying entrapment doesn't happen?

 

[Technics 1210]

No. That's not incorrect reading.

Are you saying entrapment doesn't happen?

I wouldn't bother. Check this out in The Times!

Western spy’ took Shamima Begum to Syria

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-was-smuggled-into-syria-by-western-spy-dqkkr8qlf

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It is clear Western intelligence groomed and smuggled SB into Syria.

 

[Robert]

No. That's not incorrect reading.

Are you saying entrapment doesn't happen?

Read it again.

 

[sweep_shot]

Read it again.

Stop acting like these organizations are angelic and can do no wrong.

 

[sweep_shot]

I wouldn't bother. Check this out in The Times!

Western spy’ took Shamima Begum to Syria

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/shamima-begum-was-smuggled-into-syria-by-western-spy-dqkkr8qlf

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It is clear Western intelligence groomed and smuggled SB into Syria.

Yup.

I have a feeling Shamima is not the only one.

 

[Technics 1210]

Yup.

I have a feeling Shamima is not the only one.

Seeing as ISIS and AQ are creations of the West, you are correct.

Western intelligence are masters in the art of illusions and false flags.

 

[MenInG]

Seeing as ISIS and AQ are creations of the West, you are correct.

Western intelligence are masters in the art of illusions and false flags.

If so, then why are so many Muslims as their supporters?

 

[SalimBhai]

Isis is created by the void left in Iraq after the illegal d disasterous war . It is not created by the west. It has been used by the west , has been used by the Turks also.

 

[Technics 1210]

If so, then why are so many Muslims as their supporters?

Simply because Western intelligence plays on their emotions and irate on what matters to them most - Islam. The supporters are drawn into a false sense of insecurity and feel the need to defend Islam. However when Muslims do stand against such groups, be it via public protest, interviews, etc, ZMSM never report on it.

AQ and ISIS were created out of a power vacuum caused by the West after failed wars in the ME, luring suffering and spectator Muslims into what they believe is a Jihad, while the West funds said groups, the ZMSM promote said groups, and this ultimately creates fear in the West, and hey presto - votes! It is known as the Power Of Nightmares strategy. Take away the terror threats/groups, and there is little or no justification for wars in the ME lead by the West, leaving no reliable way to convince voters to vote for politicans.

It's no different to the IRA, there are many Irish folk who support and defend the cause of the IRA, even though the IRA was funded by USA and played by the MI5 and MI6.

 

[MenInG]

Simply because Western intelligence plays on their emotions and irate on what matters to them most - Islam. The supporters are drawn into a false sense of insecurity and feel the need to defend Islam. However when Muslims do stand against such groups, be it via public protest, interviews, etc, ZMSM never report on it.

AQ and ISIS were created out of a power vacuum caused by the West after failed wars in the ME, luring suffering and spectator Muslims into what they believe is a Jihad, while the West funds said groups, the ZMSM promote said groups, and this ultimately creates fear in the West, and hey presto - votes! It is known as the Power Of Nightmares strategy. Take away the terror threats/groups, and there is little or no justification for wars in the ME lead by the West, leaving no reliable way to convince voters to vote for politicans.

It's no different to the IRA, there are many Irish folk who support and defend the cause of the IRA, even though the IRA was funded by USA and played by the MI5 and MI6.

No bro.

That's because they believe in such causes. Their message is music to some Muslims' ears.

 

[Technics 1210]

No bro.

That's because they believe in such causes. Their message is music to some Muslims' ears.

And Western intelligence play exactly on this, by creating a cause that should never have existed in the first place.

 

[SalimBhai]

Caliphate is a dream for many young Muslim men in the west.

 

[sweep_shot]

Caliphate is a dream for many young Muslim men in the west.

There is nothing wrong with a Caliphate itself. Caliphate means a land where things are done as per Quran and Sunnah. Ottoman Empire was a Caliphate and it was functioning just fine.

Do not compare ISIS's fake CIA-sponsored Caliphate with a legitimate Caliphate.

 

[Robert]

Stop acting like these organizations are angelic and can do no wrong.

But I haven’t done that, have I?

If you bothered to read my posts you would have seen that I was critical of the MI6 role in overthrowing Mossadeq, for instance.

I’m the best white non-Muslim ally you guys will ever have. Because I bother to study history from more than one dialectic. Most people with my upbringing couldn’t name your Prophet’s wife, or his successor, or what the Horns of Hattin were, or any Caliphate, or when the Siege of Vienna took place, or one single scientific achievement by a Muslim.

Instead of taking pots at me, go onto the right wing UK news channels and tabloid web pages and see the sheer level of racism, xenophobia and Islamophobia whipped up by these outlets and directed at Begum.

Then consider who the bad guys really are.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

I have listened to episode 2.

The BBC journo travelled in Turkey, looking for a character called Rashid, who allegedly smuggled Begum and her friends into Syria.

A lot of people wouldn't talk to him.

Finally he managed to talk to someone from the Turkish government about this Rashid character. The government man gave him the entire case file on a flash drive, and told him to be very careful who he shares the information with as his life might be in danger - as Rashid is not what he appears. Rashid is working for two sides....

More when episode 3 drops next Wednesday.

 

[SalimBhai]

There is nothing wrong with a Caliphate itself. Caliphate means a land where things are done as per Quran and Sunnah. Ottoman Empire was a Caliphate and it was functioning just fine.

Do not compare ISIS's fake CIA-sponsored Caliphate with a legitimate Caliphate.

Ottoman were colonizers. Just like the British and the French. And they were brutal colonizers. Maybe the Belgium more cruel then them. Please educate yourself.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

I have listened to episode 2.

The BBC journo travelled in Turkey, looking for a character called Rashid, who allegedly smuggled Begum and her friends into Syria.

A lot of people wouldn't talk to him.

Finally he managed to talk to someone from the Turkish government about this Rashid character. The government man gave him the entire case file on a flash drive, and told him to be very careful who he shares the information with as his life might be in danger - as Rashid is not what he appears. Rashid is working for two sides....

More when episode 3 drops next Wednesday.

Thanks for the update. Rashid was prob the fake name of the Canadian intelligence agent. This man should be forced to court to explain.

 

[Robert]

Thanks for the update. Rashid was prob the fake name of the Canadian intelligence agent. This man should be forced to court to explain.

In Turkiye?

 

[KingKhanWC]

In Turkiye?

Extradite him to the UK. No man esp in intelligence should be grooming female kids to send to ISIS, this is the lowest form of human trafficking one will ever hear of.

 

[Robert]

Extradite him to the UK. No man esp in intelligence should be grooming female kids to send to ISIS, this is the lowest form of human trafficking one will ever hear of.

Does Turkiye have an extradition treaty with UK? I don’t think so.

In any event what would the charge be? Meeting girls in Istanbul and driving them to the Syria border? Is that illegal in Turkiye?

 

[MenInG]

A documentary filmmaker branded Shamima Begum "a narcissist" and said she sees herself as a "celebrity". The 23-year-old former ISIS bride is currently languishing in a Syrian refugee camp, where she is appealing a decision by the UK Government to rescind her British citizenship. Ms Begum originally decamped to Syria to join the Islamic terrorists in 2015, when she was just a 15-year-old teenager.

She is alleged to have sewn bombers into their suicide vests while living inside ISIS-controlled territory, as well as acting as an enforcer for ISIS's strict sharia lifestyle.

The BBC recently broadcasted a 10-episode podcast about her, bringing Ms Begum once again back into the public spotlight.

Andrew Drury has met and interviewed Ms Begum on several occasions while she has been detained in Syria.

He said he initially felt sorry for the former ISIS bride, but has radically changed his mind.

Speaking to The Times, he explained: "She sees herself as a victim now but she told me quite clearly it was her choice to go [to Syria] and she went of her own free will

"She is a narcissist. She wants to be a somebody. Now she sees herself as a celebrity.

"Being part of ISIS meant she was a somebody and now she's a somebody again."

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...sedgntp&cvid=7db40d2342004c7481131cc265ef8616

 

[Robert]

A bit disappointed that he has told us the ending just two episodes into a ten-week series. Why should anyone continue to listen to his podcast?

 

[Technics 1210]

Extradite him to the UK. No man esp in intelligence should be grooming female kids to send to ISIS, this is the lowest form of human trafficking one will ever hear of.

Oh come on bro! You know the score, liberals will defend this secret service agent because he represents - The 5 Eyes - for grooming a child into terrorism!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Does Turkiye have an extradition treaty with UK? I don’t think so.

In any event what would the charge be? Meeting girls in Istanbul and driving them to the Syria border? Is that illegal in Turkiye?

Turkey is a signatory of the European Convention on Extradition. So yes.

Charge is human trafficking to a terrorist organistion. Not many crimes in life are so serious.

Oh come on bro! You know the score, liberals will defend this secret service agent because he represents - The 5 Eyes - for grooming a child into terrorism!

No different to moving on from Epstien and Clinton, the man travelled to the island over 100 times but as he is ex-Presidnt of the US, its ok.

 

[Robert]

Turkey is a signatory of the European Convention on Extradition. So yes.

Charge is human trafficking to a terrorist organistion. Not many crimes in life are so serious.

Episode 3 dropped today.

Mohammed Rasheed is not Turkish. He’s from Raqqa in Syria, and a trafficker for ISIL. An educated man, ex-dentist.

He was connected to the jihadis who groomed Shamima and her three friends.

However, Rasheed was moonlighting, with a second job - passing information on jihadis in fifteen countries including UK to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan.

So he was taking ISIL pay - but informing on his contacts to Canadian intelligence.

I would where he is now?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Episode 3 dropped today.

Mohammed Rasheed is not Turkish. He’s from Raqqa in Syria, and a trafficker for ISIL. An educated man, ex-dentist.

He was connected to the jihadis who groomed Shamima and her three friends.

However, Rasheed was moonlighting, with a second job - passing information on jihadis in fifteen countries including UK to the Canadian Embassy in Jordan.

So he was taking ISIL pay - but informing on his contacts to Canadian intelligence.

I would where he is now?

Seems he is a patsy/informat working for Canadian intel. He's probably been given a new identity and is prob living in some town in Canada or UK. They keep their assets in case there is a need in future. He may even be Canadian intel officer but parading as ISIL.

Thanks for the update.

 

[Robert]

Seems he is a patsy/informat working for Canadian intel. He's probably been given a new identity and is prob living in some town in Canada or UK. They keep their assets in case there is a need in future. He may even be Canadian intel officer but parading as ISIL.

Thanks for the update.

One wonders what the Canadian govt gave him in exchange for his intel. Citizenship maybe?

 

[SM1989]

Ottoman were colonizers. Just like the British and the French. And they were brutal colonizers. Maybe the Belgium more cruel then them. Please educate yourself.

Ottomans were conquerors not colonizers. The lands they conquered lived in relative security and prosperity. Whereas the lands conquered by colonizers such as Britain and France had huge chunks of their wealth and resources drained out of their lands. Most of those countries are still poor and unstable to this day. There is no equivalence.

 

[MenInG]

This thread is about Shamima begum

People with their prejudices against Islam etc are bringing all sorts of topics here.

Stick to the topic.

 

[Robert]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

Episode 4 is more about how Begum was attracted to ISIL. Her contact was a young girl she knew who had gone ahead. This friend described an Islamic paradise on Earth, to which Begum was attracted.

Once she and her friends arrived in ISIL territory, they were interrogated by no less than Jihadi John, who initially did not believe that four teenage British girls would make the perilous journey.

 

[KingKhanWC]

[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION],

Episode 4 is more about how Begum was attracted to ISIL. Her contact was a young girl she knew who had gone ahead. This friend described an Islamic paradise on Earth, to which Begum was attracted.

Once she and her friends arrived in ISIL territory, they were interrogated by no less than Jihadi John, who initially did not believe that four teenage British girls would make the perilous journey.

Seems like a botch up job to lay the blame on a 15 year old , instead of focusing on child human trafficking to ISIS by Brit and Canadian intelligence. The child was groomed. Yet when those disgusting gangs groomed 15 year olds in north of England, anyone mentioning where their parents were ? They were shut down and told dont blame the children , they are vitims etc but now its the opposite?

 

[Robert]

Seems like a botch up job to lay the blame on a 15 year old , instead of focusing on child human trafficking to ISIS by Brit and Canadian intelligence. The child was groomed. Yet when those disgusting gangs groomed 15 year olds in north of England, anyone mentioning where their parents were ? They were shut down and told dont blame the children , they are vitims etc but now its the opposite?

Looks like no “grooming” at this stage. Begum says she was convinced to go by a girl of near her age. Though her story has changed over time. Once in Turkey she was met by this Rasheed fellow who was working for ISIL and also a Canadian intelligence asset. Perhaps he was offered citizenship for information? We’ll never know.

There’s no indication of MI6 involvement.

I agree that Begum is the victim in this and have said repeatedly that she should be brought home, and charged if she is suspected of a crime.

 

[sweep_shot]

Looks like no “grooming” at this stage. Begum says she was convinced to go by a girl of near her age. Though her story has changed over time. Once in Turkey she was met by this Rasheed fellow who was working for ISIL and also a Canadian intelligence asset. Perhaps he was offered citizenship for information? We’ll never know.

There’s no indication of MI6 involvement.

I agree that Begum is the victim in this and have said repeatedly that she should be brought home, and charged if she is suspected of a crime.

Your attempt to whitewash MI6 is laughable.

You are acting like MI6 has never been dodgy and is incapable of doing something like this.

Please learn more about "entrapment".

 

[KingKhanWC]

Looks like no “grooming” at this stage. Begum says she was convinced to go by a girl of near her age. Though her story has changed over time. Once in Turkey she was met by this Rasheed fellow who was working for ISIL and also a Canadian intelligence asset. Perhaps he was offered citizenship for information? We’ll never know.

There’s no indication of MI6 involvement.

I agree that Begum is the victim in this and have said repeatedly that she should be brought home, and charged if she is suspected of a crime.

Canadian intel wouldnt have done it alone with the British Intel helping or allowing it.

No grooming?

Would you say the girls in Rochdale werent groomed either? I guarantee you the BBC radio or other media wouldnt dare put blame on those girls but its ok when it comes to a Muslim child?

 

[Robert]

Your attempt to whitewash MI6 is laughable.

You are acting like MI6 has never been dodgy and is incapable of doing something like this.

Please learn more about "entrapment".

If you have any evidence that MI6 was involved, please present it.

If not, stop making stuff up in your head.

Please learn more about “not saying things that you don’t know to be true”.

 

[Robert]

Canadian intel wouldnt have done it alone with the British Intel helping or allowing it.

No grooming?

Would you say the girls in Rochdale werent groomed either? I guarantee you the BBC radio or other media wouldnt dare put blame on those girls but ok when it comes to a Muslim child?

You think MI6 controls Canadian intelligence? No evidence for that, therefore an untestable hypothesis, therefore meaningless.

I originally thought she was groomed. But Begum says she wasn’t groomed.

 

[sweep_shot]

If you have any evidence that MI6 was involved, please present it.

If not, stop making stuff up in your head.

Please learn more about “not saying things that you don’t know to be true”.

You do not tell me what to do.

Let me do some basic Google searches for you:

1) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/29/cia-mi6-afghan-corruption
2) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...out-criminality-of-agent-with-licence-to-kill
3) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55340234

Let me know if you need more.

 

[Technics 1210]

You do not tell me what to do.

Let me do some basic Google searches for you:

1) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/apr/29/cia-mi6-afghan-corruption
2) https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...out-criminality-of-agent-with-licence-to-kill
3) https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55340234

Let me know if you need more.

How about the latest, SAS caught killing innocent people in Afghanistan.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...o-claims-sas-soldiers-killed-afghan-civilians

Funny how the media have stayed silent on this.

MI6 fingerprints all over the mass killings. Ahh yes but liberals will claim UK was 'defending' itself.

 

[sweep_shot]

How about the latest, SAS caught killing innocent people in Afghanistan.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...o-claims-sas-soldiers-killed-afghan-civilians

Funny how the media have stayed silent on this.

MI6 fingerprints all over the mass killings. Ahh yes but liberals will claim UK was 'defending' itself.

Indeed.

As per Robert, groups like MI6 are angelic and can do no wrong. He clearly is not informed about their dodgy activities.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You think MI6 controls Canadian intelligence? No evidence for that, therefore an untestable hypothesis, therefore meaningless.

I originally thought she was groomed. But Begum says she wasn’t groomed.

Never suggested control. Please read carefully Robert.

"Canadian intel wouldnt have done it alone with the British Intel helping or allowing it." Are you suggesting British intel are so stupid or incompetent a foreign spy agency can groom UK children and send to ISIS without them knowing?

I ask again. Were the girls in Rochdale groomed or did they choose to be exploited?

 

[MenInG]

Shamima Begum's mother-in-law has implored the Islamic State (ISIS) to allow her daughter-in-law to leave Syria for the UK where she could "rebuild a new life". Shamima Begum, who joined ISIS aged 15 in 2015 and got married to jihadist husband Yago Riedijk, has made pleas to return to the UK after being stripped of her British citizenship for joining the Islamic group. Ms Begum's mother-in-law Ankie Riedijk said her son and daughter-in-law should face justice for travelling to Syria and urged British authorities to allow the 23-year-old to return to Britain.

In a last-ditch call to British authorities, Ankie Riedijk broke her silence and spoke out for the first time about her daughter-in-law from the Dutch city of Arnhem.

In an exclusive interview with MailOnline, she said: "I am convinced that Shamima should be allowed to go home and build her life there."

Mrs Riedijk and her husband had so far been reluctant to become involved in the uproar over Ms Begum's future.

Shamima and her son Yago, who are technically stateless without a passport and are residing in a refugee camp in Syria, should be returned to Mrs Riedijk's home country where they should be tried for their crimes, Mrs Riedijk said.

It has been a humiliating experience for the devout mother-of-two whose Muslim convert son fled the house at age 21 for Syria, catapulting her middle-class family into the public eye.

Read more at

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/ukne...sedgntp&cvid=7574db2678d9445bbad2f5bf24493dac

 

[Robert]

Never suggested control. Please read carefully Robert.

"Canadian intel wouldnt have done it alone with the British Intel helping or allowing it." Are you suggesting British intel are so stupid or incompetent a foreign spy agency can groom UK children and send to ISIS without them knowing?

No, obviously MI6 are extremely clever. But not all information is shared between agencies.

Now it is your turn to read me carefully. This Syrian who may now be Canadian didn't groom Begum. He met her in Turkiye and drove her to the Syrian border. In this regard he was working for ISIL. But he was also working for Canadian intelligence by naming his ISIL contacts.

Begum was talked into going to ISIL by a teenager who had gone ahead of her.

I ask again. Were the girls in Rochdale groomed or did they choose to be exploited?

They were groomed. This has nothing to do with Begum. She says she was not groomed and she chose to go.


Episode 5

Begum described being held captive in a madrassa. The only way out was to get married, so she agreed to this. ISIL married her to a Kosovan man. The podcaster interviewed him too.

 

[Zaz]

No, obviously MI6 are extremely clever. But not all information is shared between agencies.

Now it is your turn to read me carefully. This Syrian who may now be Canadian didn't groom Begum. He met her in Turkiye and drove her to the Syrian border. In this regard he was working for ISIL. But he was also working for Canadian intelligence by naming his ISIL contacts.

Begum was talked into going to ISIL by a teenager who had gone ahead of her.



They were groomed. This has nothing to do with Begum. She says she was not groomed and she chose to go.


Episode 5

Begum described being held captive in a madrassa. The only way out was to get married, so she agreed to this. ISIL married her to a Kosovan man. The podcaster interviewed him too.

Robert she was 15 yrs old Whether she went on her accord or not she was a child

If a 15yr old child went to meet a man of her own accord we wouldnt criticise her and say well she went of her own accord She knew what she was doing We wouldve blamed the adult and called the adult out

Why is it different in this case?

 

[Robert]

Robert she was 15 yrs old Whether she went on her accord or not she was a child

If a 15yr old child went to meet a man of her own accord we wouldnt criticise her and say well she went of her own accord She knew what she was doing We wouldve blamed the adult and called the adult out

Why is it different in this case?

Begun said she went of her own accord, not me. When have I ever criticised Begun? Again and again I have said she should be brought home.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No, obviously MI6 are extremely clever. But not all information is shared between agencies.

Now it is your turn to read me carefully. This Syrian who may now be Canadian didn't groom Begum. He met her in Turkiye and drove her to the Syrian border. In this regard he was working for ISIL. But he was also working for Canadian intelligence by naming his ISIL contacts.

Begum was talked into going to ISIL by a teenager who had gone ahead of her.



They were groomed. This has nothing to do with Begum. She says she was not groomed and she chose to go.


Episode 5

Begum described being held captive in a madrassa. The only way out was to get married, so she agreed to this. ISIL married her to a Kosovan man. The podcaster interviewed him too.

Begun said she went of her own accord, not me.

This is as biased as any post Ive read on this forum in my 10 year history!

Robert, please get this 'we are the good guys' out of your mind and see everything from a neutral perspective.

Shamima Begum WAS 15 , she was smuggled into Syria by a chap working for Canadian intelligence. Her and others were groomed by western intelligence so they could be trafficked to ISIS, be forcefully wed, ie raped etc etc.

Interesting you take THE WORDS of a CHILD and accept this, taking responsibility away from the good ol west.

This is like saying a 15 year old white girl wanted to get high, drunk for free and wanted to intimate relations with a grown brown man.

Children CANNOT consent in both circumstances, both were groomed but once was groomed and trafficked too.

What is worse, is UK Intel instead of demanding or working for her return, instead did a cover up for the Canadian western white brethern.

I appreciate your posts but our stance is very different, I believe all children are groomed as they are children and cannot consent , you feel only the white girls cannot consent but Begum as a child could. Its ludicrous position.

We will agree to disagree on this.

 

[Robert]

This is as biased as any post Ive read on this forum in my 10 year history!

Robert, please get this 'we are the good guys' out of your mind and see everything from a neutral perspective.

Shamima Begum WAS 15 , she was smuggled into Syria by a chap working for Canadian intelligence. Her and others were groomed by western intelligence so they could be trafficked to ISIS, be forcefully wed, ie raped etc etc.

Interesting you take THE WORDS of a CHILD and accept this, taking responsibility away from the good ol west.

This is like saying a 15 year old white girl wanted to get high, drunk for free and wanted to intimate relations with a grown brown man.

Children CANNOT consent in both circumstances, both were groomed but once was groomed and trafficked too.

What is worse, is UK Intel instead of demanding or working for her return, instead did a cover up for the Canadian western white brethern.

I appreciate your posts but our stance is very different, I believe all children are groomed as they are children and cannot consent , you feel only the white girls cannot consent but Begum as a child could. Its ludicrous position.

We will agree to disagree on this.

I won’t agree. My bias is to not believe anything for which there is no evidence, until evidence is presented. Such as the hypothesis MI6 somehow being aware of something that Canadian intelligence may not have been aware of either. How do you know with this double agent told them? You don’t. No evidence means I don’t believe.

Your bias is West = evil.

You have no evidence that she was groomed by Western intelligence.

My evidence is Begum’s testimony. Begum is now an adult, and yes I take her word as an adult that she went to Turkiye with friends when 15 because another young girl enticed her on-line to ISIL with promises of an Islamic ideal society.

 

[Robert]

It was poor , very poor to suggest a child taken by an adult did so out of her choice.

She got to Turkiye under her own power before meeting Rasheed. That was a choice. It’s not as though he came to Bethnal Green to kidnap her.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I won’t agree. My bias is to not believe anything for which there is no evidence, until evidence is presented. Such as the hypothesis MI6 somehow being aware of something that Canadian intelligence may not have been aware of either. How do you know with this double agent told them? You don’t. No evidence means I don’t believe.

Your bias is West = evil.

You have no evidence that she was groomed by Western intelligence.

My evidence is Begum’s testimony. Begum is now an adult, and yes I take her word as an adult that she went to Turkiye with friends when 15 because another young girl enticed her on-line to ISIL with promises of an Islamic ideal society.

The UK government has not addressed the allegations, it is hiding information. They are saying its policy of not commenting on operational intelligence or security matters. If you truly believe the UK Intel are so stupid or imcompentant young children are being sent to ISIS and they are clueless, it shows your bias is on another level. Even if there was evidence you'd still deny it, as you have with 911 evidence which has proven WT7 was a taken down.

The Western foreign policies are more than evil, this is just a fact.

She was a CHILD when trafficked, A CHILD CANNOT CONSENT . You dont need to a be genius to work this out.

 

[KingKhanWC]

She got to Turkiye under her own power before meeting Rasheed. That was a choice. It’s not as though he came to Bethnal Green to kidnap her.

Yes and 15 year old white girls had been using Class A drugs and booze before they met male adults before having intimate relations.

How can you know for sure these 15 year old white girls werent happy to have free drugs and booze and happy to have sex with men?

 

[sweep_shot]

Yes and 15 year old white girls had been using Class A drugs and booze before they met male adults before having intimate relations.

How can you know for sure these 15 year old white girls werent happy to have free drugs and booze and happy to have sex with men?

As per Robert's logic, a 15-year old white girl can be groomed but a 15-year old brown girl can give consent.

That's what it seems like.

 

[Robert]

Yes and 15 year old white girls had been using Class A drugs and booze before they met male adults before having intimate relations.

How can you know for sure these 15 year old white girls werent happy to have free drugs and booze and happy to have sex with men?

Because of their testimony in open court, of course. Actual evidence.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because of their testimony in open court, of course. Actual evidence.

You dont get it.

Under 16 means CHILD. Children CANNOT CONSENT.

What is so hard for you to understand ? Or do you feel kids can consent? If so write to the MP to change UK laws.