Shashi Tharoor asks if PM Modi can attend marriage in Lahore, why can’t India play cricket with Pak

[Abdullah719]

Even though BCCI secretary Amitabh Chaudhury had recently said that the board is exploring ways in which India doesn’t bump into arch-rivals Pakistan in the nine-team Test league, Congress MP Shashi Tharoor believes that Virat Kohli-led side should play against the neighbours. Tharoor, while speaking at a session named ‘Cricket as Indian democracy’s alter ego’, during a literary fest at New Delhi, said that things have changed since the ban was first imposed. “I do believe India and Pakistan should play cricket,” Tharoor said during the interaction which also included senior journalists Rajdeep Sardesai, Nalin Mehta and former Indian cricketer Bishen Singh Bedi.

“What we have seen that the BJP government has even met with them, their national security advisers met in Bangkok, our Prime Minister met with their Prime Minister in Kufa, then the Prime Minister went to Lahore and participated in a wedding ceremony, a birthday party and what not. So if all that could happen, why can’t we play cricket,” asked Tharoor. The senior Congress leader said that phase is over and there is no reason why cricket should be held hostage.

Tharoor said that we should expand the scope for people to people contact between India and Pakistan. Speaking in a similar tone, Rajdeep Sardesai said that the terror attacks haven’t stopped even though India stopped playing cricket with Pak. “Have terror attacks stopped by India and Pakistan not playing cricket with each other?” he asked.

These statements from Tharoor came just four days after BCCI met sports minister Rajyavardhan Singh Rathore on Wednesday to discuss the potential inclusion of a series against Pakistan in the Future Tours Programme (FTP) as part of the upcoming ICC Test Championship. The ICC Test Championship got the green light recently from the International Cricket Council (ICC) and is aimed at bringing context and meaning to bilateral cricket.

Speaking at the same fest yesterday, Tharoor had taken a dig at Prime Minister Narendra Modi and was quoted as saying, “4G is more important than Modiji.” While targetting the PM Modi-led government, Tharoor said, “No wonder they are talking of a New India because they made such a mess of the Old India.”

http://www.financialexpress.com/ind...cant-india-play-cricket-with-pakistan/948246/

 

[Marikar]

Shashi Tharoor for India Pakistan Cricket

Even though BCCI secretary Amitabh Chaudhury had recently said that the board is exploring ways in which India doesn't bump into arch-rivals Pakistan in the nine-team Test league, Congress MP Shashi Tharoor believes that Virat Kohli-led side should play against the neighbours. Tharoor, while speaking at a session named 'Cricket as Indian democracy's alter ego', during a literary fest at New Delhi, said that things have changed since the ban was first imposed. "I do believe India and Pakistan should play cricket," Tharoor said during the interaction which also included senior journalists Rajdeep Sardesai, Nalin Mehta and former Indian cricketer Bishen Singh Bedi.
"What we have seen that the BJP government has even met with them, their national security advisers met in Bangkok, our Prime Minister met with their Prime Minister in Kufa, then the Prime Minister went to Lahore and participated in a wedding ceremony, a birthday party and what not. So if all that could happen, why can't we play cricket," asked Tharoor. The senior Congress leader said that phase is over and there is no reason why cricket should be held hostage.
Tharoor said that we should expand the scope for people to people contact between India and Pakistan. Speaking in a similar tone, Rajdeep Sardesai said that the terror attacks haven't stopped even though India stopped playing cricket with Pak. "Have terror attacks stopped by India and Pakistan not playing cricket with each other?" he asked.
(Financial Express Nov 26,2017)

 

[squarecut]

Shashi Tharoor's party is the most corrupt Party of India that was rightly thrown out of power, hopefully for ever. He is someone good for giving speech and scoring brownie points. No sensible people in India take him seriously.

 

[Marikar]

Shashi Tharoor's party is the most corrupt Party of India that was rightly thrown out of power, hopefully for ever. He is someone good for giving speech and scoring brownie points. No sensible people in India take him seriously.

That could be the reason the most sensible ModI showering admiration to Tharoor for latter's legendary performance in Oxford.

Ruling party BJP did in 3 years to the nation is way more than what Congress did (?) in 70 years in terms of destruction. So can we kind keep on moving with cricket leaving politics aside? Yea......I think that could be better than this Congress - BJP oral diarrhoea. Chill my brother.

 

[Nil Dhumrojal]

Very good question

 

[ilsbird]

I am sick and tired of this debate regarding PAK VS IND series etc. We must accept as Pakistanis that, India will not play us either at home or at a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is and its the truth, they are AFRAID of losing to Pakistan in a full series. They play us in a ICC event because they know in a one off game, you can win or lose as whoever plays better will win that day. However, in a full series they know who the better team is and that is why they are afraid of Pakistan and they cant stand the fact of losing against us and then facing the wrath at home. No disrespect to the indian cricket team as I know there a class, but its their government who is afraid and does not have confidence in their own team when playing against Pakistan. So i request PCB to close this chapter and not demand or request any more series with India.

 

[waleed88]

Shashi Tharoor is pretty unpopular since he made that 'chillar' comment after Miss India won Miss World 2017. This guy looks to be pretty unpopular in India so I can see why he is trying to appease Pakistan public.

 

[Usman Chadda]

I am sick and tired of this debate regarding PAK VS IND series etc. We must accept as Pakistanis that, India will not play us either at home or at a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is and its the truth, they are AFRAID of losing to Pakistan in a full series. They play us in a ICC event because they know in a one off game, you can win or lose as whoever plays better will win that day. However, in a full series they know who the better team is and that is why they are afraid of Pakistan and they cant stand the fact of losing against us and then facing the wrath at home. No disrespect to the indian cricket team as I know there a class, but its their government who is afraid and does not have confidence in their own team when playing against Pakistan. So i request PCB to close this chapter and not demand or request any more series with India.

Honestly speaking, India would beat Pakistan 9 times of 10 in a series in whatever format. Don't think "they are scared of us" narrative works in this case.

 

[rashmin]

I am sick and tired of this debate regarding PAK VS IND series etc. We must accept as Pakistanis that, India will not play us either at home or at a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is and its the truth, they are AFRAID of losing to Pakistan in a full series. They play us in a ICC event because they know in a one off game, you can win or lose as whoever plays better will win that day. However, in a full series they know who the better team is and that is why they are afraid of Pakistan and they cant stand the fact of losing against us and then facing the wrath at home. No disrespect to the indian cricket team as I know there a class, but its their government who is afraid and does not have confidence in their own team when playing against Pakistan. So i request PCB to close this chapter and not demand or request any more series with India.

You cracked the code buddy, exactly what 99% Pakistanis want to believe, "India is scared". Just ask question to your self, which team is better? You will get all the answers.

 

[Railu Katta]

You cracked the code buddy, exactly what 99% Pakistanis want to believe, "India is scared". Just ask question to your self, which team is better? You will get all the answers.

What happened in the CT final? Is that why our record is so much superior than hindustan?

 

[DRsohail]

What happened in the CT final? Is that why our record is so much superior than hindustan?

no india will beat us 7 out of ten times to be exact.dont be delusional.

 

[rashmin]

What happened in the CT final? Is that why our record is so much superior than hindustan?

Did u read the question? Is the question related to previous years when you had stat studded team? and of course, PAK have superior records. The question was about the current teams and if you believe one off match's result decide which team is better than there is no argument.

By your logic, whats with 11-0 in your opinion even with all superstars in PAK team?

 

[babajee]

You cracked the code buddy, exactly what 99% Pakistanis want to believe, "India is scared". Just ask question to your self, which team is better? You will get all the answers.

The star studded “much better than Pakistan” Indian team got thrashed in their own backyard by Pakistan last time.

GOI should be scared

#AaneDo

 

[rashmin]

The star studded “much better than Pakistan” Indian team got thrashed in their own backyard by Pakistan last time.

GOI should be scared

#AaneDo

In 2012, Pak won with 2-1 in ODI and in T20 was 1-1, you call it thrashing??? Do you know what thrashing means, just what India did to SL in SL is called thrashing, what SL did to Pak in tests in UAE is called thrashing, did not let home team won any match in specific formats.

Why live in past, let's focus on present and improve our future.

 

[ahsan17]

In 2012, Pak won with 2-1 in ODI and in T20 was 1-1, you call it thrashing??? Do you know what thrashing means, just what India did to SL in SL is called thrashing, what SL did to Pak in tests in UAE is called thrashing, did not let home team won any match in specific formats.

Why live in past, let's focus on present and improve our future.

Dude, the ODI series in 2012-13 was thrashing even by the narrowest definition of that word. India got destroyed in the first two games and could only win a dead rubber.

In no sane individual's book is thrashing only a whitewash.

 

[asfandyar]

You cracked the code buddy, exactly what 99% Pakistanis want to believe, "India is scared". Just ask question to your self, which team is better? You will get all the answers.

Actually, to spell it out to you, that is not how fear works. Losing to a better team is considered a highly probably outcome (by common logic), and is not likely to invoke fear. It is losing to a 6th ranked country that gives nightmares to the Indians, which has traditionally been the case as far as bilateral series go. India has always been the better team, yet somehow found ways to lose and embarrass itself.

 

[asfandyar]

In 2012, Pak won with 2-1 in ODI and in T20 was 1-1, you call it thrashing??? Do you know what thrashing means, just what India did to SL in SL is called thrashing, what SL did to Pak in tests in UAE is called thrashing, did not let home team won any match in specific formats.

Why live in past, let's focus on present and improve our future.

What India did to SL is called minnow-bashing.

 

[rashmin]

What India did to SL is called minnow-bashing.

Now what will you call what SL did to Pak in UAE in tests?

 

[Ocelot]

Rajdeep Sardesai said that the terror attacks haven’t stopped even though India stopped playing cricket with Pak. “Have terror attacks stopped by India and Pakistan not playing cricket with each other?” he asked.

So are there bomb blasts in Delhi, Mumbai, Kolkata, Chennai...on frequent basis?

Not interested in any series though.

 

[www787]

This ban serve no purpose other than keep the sheeple entertained by the hardline extremists ruling party.

 

[giri26]

More drama. Just get on with the series. What purpose does this ban serve?

 

[Monsee]

Honestly speaking, India would beat Pakistan 9 times of 10 in a series in whatever format. Don't think "they are scared of us" narrative works in this case.

**, even in their most dominant days in last few years, every time we played a series, it was usually one win this way and the next series going the other way!

A one off match here and there does not mean the same as facing each other in a series with Pak having a pretty great record against India in India and in Pak India has only won 1 test series and 2 ODI for all the talk of their 'Superior' teams...stop following the hype by India media!

 

[Tusker]

**, even in their most dominant days in last few years, every time we played a series, it was usually one win this way and the next series going the other way!

That was last decade !! Its been nearly 10 yrs since Ind played Pakistan.

A one off match here and there does not mean the same as facing each other in a series with Pak having a pretty great record against India in India and in Pak India has only won 1 test series and 2 ODI for all the talk of their 'Superior' teams...stop following the hype by India media!

Again nobody from the current Test team (which is the most dominant Indian Team) has played a Test match vs Pakistan . Its been 10 yrs. The talk is about what the current teams strengths are. Be grateful that the politics doesn't allow for a Test Series between India and Pakistan right now or in the last 10 yrs otherwise it would be daylight murder given how this pathetic Sri Lankan Side handed your team a phainty.

 

[Tusker]

India and pak records in the last 10 yrs in Asia:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Won 43 Tests out of 75 ! Thats nearly as many Tests that Pakistan played altogether



Since 2013 ( What is used for ICC Test Rankings ):

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Won 24 (out of 32) lost just 2 ! And again thats almost as many matches Pakistan played in that time period lol

 

[Balthazar]

I am sick and tired of this debate regarding PAK VS IND series etc. We must accept as Pakistanis that, India will not play us either at home or at a neutral venue. The fact of the matter is and its the truth, they are AFRAID of losing to Pakistan in a full series. They play us in a ICC event because they know in a one off game, you can win or lose as whoever plays better will win that day. However, in a full series they know who the better team is and that is why they are afraid of Pakistan and they cant stand the fact of losing against us and then facing the wrath at home. No disrespect to the indian cricket team as I know there a class, but its their government who is afraid and does not have confidence in their own team when playing against Pakistan. So i request PCB to close this chapter and not demand or request any more series with India.

+1. As an Indian, I agree with this sentiment. Losing to Pakistan is really the lowest of all things in the present situation and that's also one of the reasons they are reluctant to play your team. PCB should just stop begging and realize it's the closed path.

 

[Tusker]

+1. As an Indian, I agree with this sentiment. Losing to Pakistan is really the lowest of all things in the present situation and that's also one of the reasons they are reluctant to play your team. PCB should just stop begging and realize it's the closed path.

Yep ... just like how the sky fell down on India after the CT Final loss (NOT ).

 

[Madplayer]

Now what will you call what SL did to Pak in UAE in tests?

A fluke

 

[ahsan17]

That was last decade !! Its been nearly 10 yrs since Ind played Pakistan.



Again nobody from the current Test team (which is the most dominant Indian Team) has played a Test match vs Pakistan . Its been 10 yrs. The talk is about what the current teams strengths are. Be grateful that the politics doesn't allow for a Test Series between India and Pakistan right now or in the last 10 yrs otherwise it would be daylight murder given how this pathetic Sri Lankan Side handed your team a phainty.

Yes Pakistan test team is not doing well recently. Now what about ODIs? What about the last time an ODI series was played between the two countries? What happened to the same Sri Lankan team in ODIs?

 

[Syed1]

Yep ... just like how the sky fell down on India after the CT Final loss (NOT ).

It should have fallen because it was the worst defeat in tournament finals. Even minnows don't get this bad of a defeat. Sharam se dhoob marne ka muqam hai )


I'm sure if we meet again tomorrow we will dish out another phainti.

 

[ahsan17]

India and pak records in the last 10 yrs in Asia:

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Won 43 Tests out of 75 ! Thats nearly as many Tests that Pakistan played altogether



Since 2013 ( What is used for ICC Test Rankings ):

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...span;team=6;team=7;template=results;type=team

Won 24 (out of 32) lost just 2 ! And again thats almost as many matches Pakistan played in that time period lol

Do you actually know how to make arguments? You could have made much better arguments, but instead you chose to the worst one you could've possibly made: "that's almost as many matches Pakistan played in that time period". You do know that in ANY sports it's more about win loss ratio than how many matches one played?

 

[Tusker]

Do you actually know how to make arguments? You could have made much better arguments, but instead you chose to the worst one you could've possibly made: "that's almost as many matches Pakistan played in that time period". You do know that in ANY sports it's more about win loss ratio than how many matches one played?

Do you realize how hard it is to win that many Test matches over a long period of time ?

 

[rashmin]

Do you actually know how to make arguments? You could have made much better arguments, but instead you chose to the worst one you could've possibly made: "that's almost as many matches Pakistan played in that time period". You do know that in ANY sports it's more about win loss ratio than how many matches one played?

Did you even understand what [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] was trying to suggest??? He is not emphasizing on which country played more matches.

 

[Tusker]

It should have fallen because it was the worst defeat in tournament finals. Even minnows don't get this bad of a defeat. Sharam se dhoob marne ka muqam hai )


I'm sure if we meet again tomorrow we will dish out another phainti.

Eid ka chaand ... however not even Associate teams ( like IRL ) lose 11 matches in a row to top teams in World Cups which is the big daddy of all ICC Events ) ... thats the sort of achievement that takes some doing and it must be a sobering thought that you will not be able to even that record in atleast my lifetime. Now chew on that

 

[Syed1]

Eid ka chaand ... however not even Associate teams ( like IRL ) lose 11 matches in a row to top teams in World Cups which is the big daddy of all ICC Events ) ... thats the sort of achievement that takes some doing and it must be a sobering thought that you will not be able to even that record in atleast my lifetime. Now chew on that

Keep counting your 11-0 even though Pakistan went onto win one of those events and reached the final of another and 8 or 9 of the matches were utterly inconsequential. Losing to India sure put a damper on our chances ) ) )

 

[Tusker]

Yes Pakistan test team is not doing well recently. Now what about ODIs? What about the last time an ODI series was played between the two countries? What happened to the same Sri Lankan team in ODIs?

ODI's and T20Is are the only format that Pak will be able to compete with India. But current team will still win 7 out of 10 matches. Don't forget India also cleaned up SL in ODIs in their backyard.

 

[Tusker]

Keep counting your 11-0 even though Pakistan went onto win one of those events and reached the final of another and 8 or 9 of the matches were utterly inconsequential. Losing to India sure put a damper on our chances ) ) )

Ohh yeah I forgot ... in your world you wait till the tournament is over to do your rona-dhona )

 

[Syed1]

Ohh yeah I forgot ... in your world you wait till the tournament is over to do your rona-dhona )

We all saw how much rona dhona was taking place on 18th June. Let me remind you:

 

[Balthazar]

Yep ... just like how the sky fell down on India after the CT Final loss (NOT ).

I was talking more from a bilateral series perspective.

 

[Tusker]

I was talking more from a bilateral series perspective.

huh ? doesnt make any sense.

 

[asfandyar]

Now what will you call what SL did to Pak in UAE in tests?

Being bashed by a minnow.

 

[Hitman]

What happened in the CT final? Is that why our record is so much superior than hindustan?

India defeated Pakistan in the 92', 96' and 99' WC matches. Which team was better in the 90's? As for the overall record, West Indies had the greatest team in history back in the 70's and 80's. Where are they now? What has overall record got to do with a team's current position?

 

[cricketjoshila]

This ban serve no purpose other than keep the sheeple entertained by the hardline extremists ruling party.

Indians will define the purpose of this not you.The ban is in place since 2008.

 

[ManFan]

India defeated Pakistan in the 92', 96' and 99' WC matches. Which team was better in the 90's? As for the overall record, West Indies had the greatest team in history back in the 70's and 80's. Where are they now? What has overall record got to do with a team's current position?

Shows who has been the better throughout their many encounters. Each team has had their periods of dominance so it is important to understand which has won more.

 

[ManFan]

Indians will define the purpose of this not you.The ban is in place since 2008.

Define it by all means as it is your country. But please do extend it to ICC events as well. BCCI > ICC so don't bother with the excuse of " well the ICC won't allow us not to play ".

 

[ManFan]

Sad to see what this thread has turned into. Should expose the hypocrisy of the Indian officials but instead turns into the usual mindless bickering. If lines drawn on a piece of paper by a foreign group over 70 years ago makes you pumped up than you need to reevaluate your purpose. Politicians all follow the same constitution, money, be it dollar or rupee.

 

[princeuk]

Sad to see what this thread has turned into. Should expose the hypocrisy of the Indian officials but instead turns into the usual mindless bickering. If lines drawn on a piece of paper by a foreign group over 70 years ago makes you pumped up than you need to reevaluate your purpose. Politicians all follow the same constitution, money, be it dollar or rupee.

Exactly, the BCCI and the govt is full of hypocrites, changing the rules whenever fits....The world outside of India can see this.

 

[maxamax]

This ban serve no purpose other than keep the sheeple entertained by the hardline extremists ruling party.

No purpose? They have reached #1 without playing another threatening SC team. For a single game in 2011, they had to get our 3 best players banned. Imagine the damage if they had couple of series against us.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

You cracked the code buddy, exactly what 99% Pakistanis want to believe, "India is scared". Just ask question to your self, which team is better? You will get all the answers.

To know which team is better we should play against Pakistan first. Many fans in 2012 series thought that we will whitewash Pakistan. India Pak matches always start at 50-50 those who think otherwise are delusional.

 

[ahsan17]

Do you realize how hard it is to win that many Test matches over a long period of time ?

Ok, and Pakistan has been playing cricket for 60 years and has maintained stats better than your team. I am really not sure what point you are making here that's relevant to this thread.

Did you even understand what [MENTION=134300]Tusker[/MENTION] was trying to suggest??? He is not emphasizing on which country played more matches.

That was the only thing in his posts besides the stats. What is one supposed to make from such posts?

ODI's and T20Is are the only format that Pak will be able to compete with India. But current team will still win 7 out of 10 matches. Don't forget India also cleaned up SL in ODIs in their backyard.

Right, so we can "only" compete in 2 out of 3 formats, shame shame shame. Indians thought they'd easily beat Pakistan in 2012 series as well. Same thing in CT final. When you are talking about an India Pakistan series you have to be smart enough to know that past records, records against other teams and history doesn't matter as much.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Define it by all means as it is your country. But please do extend it to ICC events as well. BCCI > ICC so don't bother with the excuse of " well the ICC won't allow us not to play ".

Where we extend it is our perogative sir.Please donot seek to take it away.

 

[www787]

No purpose? They have reached #1 without playing another threatening SC team. For a single game in 2011, they had to get our 3 best players banned. Imagine the damage if they had couple of series against us.

if you are referring to Salman, Asif and Amir, then no one is to blame but themselves.
It has nothing to do with reaching number 1 position. it has to do with keeping the sheeple entertained by extremists ruling party.

 

[www787]

Indians will define the purpose of this not you.The ban is in place since 2008.

When did i say i define the purpose for Indian? I as a Pakistani, on Pakpassion defining as i read it, which involve India refusing to play Pakistan. I do not understand why you get so upset over an opinion presented by just a random person on a issue that also involve Pakistan.

If you are that sensitive to people's opinion on a forum, then try to avoid it.

 

[Tusker]

Ok, and Pakistan has been playing cricket for 60 years and has maintained stats better than your team. I am really not sure what point you are making here that's relevant to this thread.

please go thru the posts if you need the context .... as for the stat itself ... let me put it in a different way ... In Asia (which is where Ind would have played against Pak) it has taken Pakistan 102 Tests over last 20 yrs to register 44 Wins. It took India 70 tests over last 10 yrs. And BTW Iam completely ignoring losses. Do you understand ?

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/en...anval2=span;team=7;template=results;type=team

Right, so we can "only" compete in 2 out of 3 formats, shame shame shame. Indians thought they'd easily beat Pakistan in 2012 series as well. Same thing in CT final. When you are talking about an India Pakistan series you have to be smart enough to know that past records, records against other teams and history doesn't matter as much.

the overall ODI + T20I numbers are still largely in favor of India for the last 10yrs .

 

[Hitman]

No purpose? They have reached #1 without playing another threatening SC team. For a single game in 2011, they had to get our 3 best players banned. Imagine the damage if they had couple of series against us.

You mean those 3 gentlemen deciding to spot fix and sell off their team?

 

[English August]

What exactly are the Pakistanis complaining about? If you don't like what the BCCI is doing, go complain to the ICC, file a case in some court (which you've been threatening to do for years now, but are too scared to do -- because you know you'll lose big time), ... do something about it instead of crying.

BCCI / India are doing what they think is right for them. They will play Pak (or not) at their convenience, not yours. This is how it works. This is how it's always worked. Deal with it.

 

[English August]

A simple question to all those Pakistanis who keep on bragging about how India is too scared to play Pak because they're worried they'll lose: Pak has a better W/L record overall against in India in both Tests and ODIs. How exactly did Pak win all these matches if India were too scared to play?

Is it possible to win (or lose) a game you don't play?

Do you not realize the stupidity of your argument? Are you really that dense?

Simple fact: Over the past 30-40 years, it's Pak which has refused to play India more number of times than has India.

 

[rashmin]

It should have fallen because it was the worst defeat in tournament finals. Even minnows don't get this bad of a defeat. Sharam se dhoob marne ka muqam hai )


I'm sure if we meet again tomorrow we will dish out another phainti.

If you consider India is worse than a minnow, why dont you educate PCB to stop begging to play to a "minnow@? Why are you guys eager to play against such a worse team?

Thanks.

 

[Monsee]

To know which team is better we should play against Pakistan first. Many fans in 2012 series thought that we will whitewash Pakistan. India Pak matches always start at 50-50 those who think otherwise are delusional.

This, should close the thread now.

Irrespective of ranking/prematch status etc. each lower ranked of the two teams usually end up punching above their weight. This has been the case overall since after 1992 WC with the sole exception of WC matches. And in the biggest match to date between the two in an ICC tournament final, Pak gave the 'Greatest Indian Team' a Phainta for the ages, something generations to come shall remember!

It was almost as if 11 Miandads hit 11 Cheetan Sharmas for a six all at the same time

 

[Monsee]

A simple question to all those Pakistanis who keep on bragging about how India is too scared to play Pak because they're worried they'll lose: Pak has a better W/L record overall against in India in both Tests and ODIs. How exactly did Pak win all these matches if India were too scared to play?

Is it possible to win (or lose) a game you don't play?

Do you not realize the stupidity of your argument? Are you really that dense?

Simple fact: Over the past 30-40 years, it's Pak which has refused to play India more number of times than has India.

LOL Swami Newton Jaikishan Maharaj has just solved the biggest mystry of them all LOL...are you even for real, what you said doesn't even make sense?

We are talking about right now, as in very recent years, not 10-20-30 years ago although there has been many periods wehere India avoided Pak on premise of 'This and that' excuses always conveniently willing to play in ICC matches during that time though. I bet if India was not winning in all those WC matches, they would have refused to play Pak in ICC tournaments as well, a long time ago!

 

[cricketjoshila]

If you consider India is worse than a minnow, why dont you educate PCB to stop begging to play to a "minnow@? Why are you guys eager to play against such a worse team?

Thanks.

They need $$$$$.

 

[CadPakFan]

Now what will you call what SL did to Pak in UAE in tests?

It's called a new team playing bad cricket and bad selections plus SL playing good cricket.

 

[Itachi]

It's called a new team playing bad cricket and bad selections plus SL playing good cricket.

That's what I call the CT final.

A good team played worse cricket and bad selections and Pak playing good cricket.

 

[CadPakFan]

That's what I call the CT final.

A good team played worse cricket and bad selections and Pak playing good cricket.

Which selections would you consider bad?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This, should close the thread now.

Irrespective of ranking/prematch status etc. each lower ranked of the two teams usually end up punching above their weight. This has been the case overall since after 1992 WC with the sole exception of WC matches. And in the biggest match to date between the two in an ICC tournament final, Pak gave the 'Greatest Indian Team' a Phainta for the ages, something generations to come shall remember!

It was almost as if 11 Miandads hit 11 Cheetan Sharmas for a six all at the same time

That's true. If you remember Sahara Cup which was played between Ind and Pak annually in late 90s, there also weaker team won the series.

 

[Monsee]

That's true. If you remember Sahara Cup which was played between Ind and Pak annually in late 90s, there also weaker team won the series.

This is something most Indian fans will not want to accept and sadly quite a few on our end as well...although lot of Pak fans are mistakenly taken in to the hyp machine of 'India the Giant Rockstars' and that Pak will be annihilated every series we will play against India!

This is something that can also be explained by looking at Pak, India, and Lanka...Pak has a hard time beating Lanka in every game, yet India beats them almost every time. Yet, when Pak matches against India in a series, very rarely (if ever) they get totally dominated, unlike how Lanka gets decimated by India every time!

 

[English August]

LOL Swami Newton Jaikishan Maharaj has just solved the biggest mystry of them all LOL...are you even for real, what you said doesn't even make sense?

We are talking about right now, as in very recent years, not 10-20-30 years ago although there has been many periods wehere India avoided Pak on premise of 'This and that' excuses always conveniently willing to play in ICC matches during that time though. I bet if India was not winning in all those WC matches, they would have refused to play Pak in ICC tournaments as well, a long time ago!

Your resorting to name-calling doesn't change anything. India played against Pak as recently as less than 6 months ago. Won 1 and lost 1. Did those happen in real world or was I hallucinating?

To re-iterate, Pak has refused to play against India more number of times than has India. Check your facts and deal with it.

When to play Pakistan (or anyone else for that matter) is India's choice and there is nothing you can do it about it. Deal with that too.

 

[Allblacks2019]

Why is it that Pak boycotting India over Babri masjid issue get a free pass among pak supporters?

Is the logic that it happened 25 years ago so forget? or Only India can't use non-cricketing reasons to avoid tours?

 

[English August]

Why is it that Pak boycotting India over Babri masjid issue get a free pass among pak supporters?

Is the logic that it happened 25 years ago so forget? or Only India can't use non-cricketing reasons to avoid tours?

This forum is full of people who were born yesterday. They conveniently forget or pretend not to know all these things their "superstars" did. Pakistan started this game of boycotting and in fact pulled the boycotting card multiple times. Now that India is making them pay and hitting them where it hurts, they are crying non-stop.

I have asked this question multiple times on this forum and I never get an answer: why didn't Pak send their hockey team to Moscow Olympics in 1980?

 

[Cricket Khan]

You want facts ? Well! why beat around the bush while the fact is India is the biggest enemy of Pakistan. They can't stand the very existence of the country. They planned and sponsored a terrorist attack into Pakistan and hit the Sirilankan team to end cricket in Pakistan. They try to damage Pakistan cricket and target every interest of Pakistan cricket globally wherever and whenever they can. They want to district Pakistani cricket and they want to destroy Pakistan in anyway possible, period. Now why would one want to make up stories and create reasons other than these hard facts ? My question to you all is why would they want to play Pakistan at all being India ? Why are we making fools of ourselves ? Why are we so naive ?

 

[asfandyar]

This forum is full of people who were born yesterday. They conveniently forget or pretend not to know all these things their "superstars" did. Pakistan started this game of boycotting and in fact pulled the boycotting card multiple times. Now that India is making them pay and hitting them where it hurts, they are crying non-stop.

I have asked this question multiple times on this forum and I never get an answer: why didn't Pak send their hockey team to Moscow Olympics in 1980?

Here is your answer: What Pakistan did then was wrong. What India is doing now is wrong. Take off your jingoistic glasses and stop legitimizing one institution's criminal actions by referring to another institution's crimes.

 

[Tusker]

You want facts ? Well! why beat around the bush while the fact is India is the biggest enemy of Pakistan. They can't stand the very existence of the country. They planned and sponsored a terrorist attack into Pakistan and hit the Sirilankan team to end cricket in Pakistan. They try to damage Pakistan cricket and target every interest of Pakistan cricket globally wherever and whenever they can. They want to district Pakistani cricket and they want to destroy Pakistan in anyway possible, period. Now why would one want to make up stories and create reasons other than these hard facts ? My question to you all is why would they want to play Pakistan at all being India ? Why are we making fools of ourselves ? Why are we so naive ?

If India is such a Evil country why are PCB, Ex-Cricketers, fans soo eager to play Cricket with India ?

 

[Allblacks2019]

Here is your answer: What Pakistan did then was wrong. What India is doing now is wrong. Take off your jingoistic glasses and stop legitimizing one institution's criminal actions by referring to another institution's crimes.

Bad news Son, thats not how how interactions between countries work. not a forgive and forget model. Its not like things are hunky dory between India and pakistan.

 

[English August]

Here is your answer: What Pakistan did then was wrong. What India is doing now is wrong. Take off your jingoistic glasses and stop legitimizing one institution's criminal actions by referring to another institution's crimes.

You are using words like "criminal actions" and "crimes". Can you tell me which law has India broken by not playing with Pakistan? Be very specific and don't duck the question. And don't give me vague answer like some random MOU was signed. MOU is not a law!

You do know that India is a free country (a concept perhaps alien to Pakistanis who have grown up under decades of military rule) and gets to decide whatever it wants to do?

 

[rashmin]

You want facts ? Well! why beat around the bush while the fact is India is the biggest enemy of Pakistan. They can't stand the very existence of the country. They planned and sponsored a terrorist attack into Pakistan and hit the Sirilankan team to end cricket in Pakistan. They try to damage Pakistan cricket and target every interest of Pakistan cricket globally wherever and whenever they can. They want to district Pakistani cricket and they want to destroy Pakistan in anyway possible, period. Now why would one want to make up stories and create reasons other than these hard facts ? My question to you all is why would they want to play Pakistan at all being India ? Why are we making fools of ourselves ? Why are we so naive ?

Good point. I urge you to educate PCB members and ex-cricketers so that they can stop begging to play with India. Thanks.

 

[asfandyar]

You are using words like "criminal actions" and "crimes". Can you tell me which law has India broken by not playing with Pakistan? Be very specific and don't duck the question. And don't give me vague answer like some random MOU was signed. MOU is not a law!

You do know that India is a free country (a concept perhaps alien to Pakistanis who have grown up under decades of military rule) and gets to decide whatever it wants to do?

Funny since you are posting this on a Pakistani forum.

 

[asfandyar]

Bad news Son, thats not how how interactions between countries work. not a forgive and forget model. Its not like things are hunky dory between India and pakistan.

An established bureaucrat like you who knows the inner workings of how countries work should at least have the decency to use his real name as a posting handle.

 

[Allblacks2019]

An established bureaucrat like you who knows the inner workings of how countries work should at least have the decency to use his real name as a posting handle.

so you got nothing. Here is the story, Pak has played politics with sport in the past

1) boycotting moscow olympics: I mean what did USSR do to pakistan for it to boycott olympics

2) cancelling tour of India over Babri masjid issue. : what did Babri masjid had to do with pakistan? If it is welfare muslims that made pakistan boycott, based on posts on PP, things are worse now for muslims now than it was in the early 90's. shouldn't Pakistan be continuing boycott of India.

So the whole drama now has to do with money. nothing else.

 

[asfandyar]

so you got nothing. Here is the story, Pak has played politics with sport in the past

1) boycotting moscow olympics: I mean what did USSR do to pakistan for it to boycott olympics

2) cancelling tour of India over Babri masjid issue. : what did Babri masjid had to do with pakistan? If it is welfare muslims that made pakistan boycott, based on posts on PP, things are worse now for muslims now than it was in the early 90's. shouldn't Pakistan be continuing boycott of India.

So the whole drama now has to do with money. nothing else.

Your whole argument is flawed as it is based on the premise that I am somehow defending Pakistan's misdeeds, Make no mistake your highness, but one misbehavior should not be used to justify, and should not form the basis of another. An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind - Gandhi (I believe he is your version of Jinnah, or is it Nehru?)

 

[Allblacks2019]

Your whole argument is flawed as it is based on the premise that I am somehow defending Pakistan's misdeeds, Make no mistake your highness, but one misbehavior should not be used to justify, and should not form the basis of another. An eye for an eye, makes the whole world blind - Gandhi (I believe he is your version of Jinnah, or is it Nehru?)

Once again, relation between nations don't go based wishes and goodwill. It is based on actions. Pakistans actions do not warrant a forgive and forget approach from India

Gandhi and Nehru incredible amount of damage to independent India. The sad consequences of their idiocy continues to negatively affect India to this date

 

[English August]

Funny since you are posting this on a Pakistani forum.

Nice. So you chose to highlight and respond to throwaway line in the post, but ignored the main question I asked. So I'll ask again so we stay on topic: which law is India breaking by not agreeing to bilateral series with Pakistan?

Also, existence of this forum and my posting in it doesn't change the fact that Pakistan has lived under a military rule during majority of its existence. Moreover this forum is run out of the UK I believe. In Pakistan, you can't watch youtube and other major social media sites. Even today, in 2017! I think we all know how free is Pakistan.