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Shocking stat: Pakistan have 0 powerplay (0-10 overs) sixes in ODI'S in 2023!

How many matches were Pakistan played so far in 2023? .this is really shocking stats.i means not even 1 six
 
That is very disturbing.

The main issue is Fakhar's form. I've defended him for a long time as he's the one guy that can turn 270-280 into 330+ scores for PAK. We know his matchwinning capabilities, and knocks in big games.

However he's currently struggling to hit the ball off the square let alone into the stands.
 
What do you expect from an army of steady eddies? What was the last time an attacking top order specialist was given opportunity? This is a team whose captain can't even think beyond 280-300 even against the weakest team in the world on a placid track. It's a disgrace to the legacy of pairs like Anwar /Sohel, Anwar/Afridi etc. As the saying goes a man eventually becomes alike the company he keeps.That's exactly what's happened to Fakhar, on his quest to become an accumulator like his colleagues, he has idiotically lost his attacking prowess. I don't know if it's tragedy or comedy that Mickey Arthur is letting this happen.
 
There is no one else in Pakistan that would actually change this abysmal approach

You have to take punts and open with guys like Asif Ali or Kushdil Shah
 
Wow interesting. Checked the stats on this. Order by SIX count for 2023 in power play

Team​
Runs​
Avge​
SR​
Sixes​
India​
1198​
63.05​
96.76​
32​
Australia​
794​
56.71​
119.57​
29​
South Africa​
686​
57.16​
87.50​
17​
England​
657​
29.86​
84.23​
11​
New zealand​
954​
29.81​
75.71​
7​
Bangladesh​
864​
24.68​
71.70​
6​
Afghanistan​
429​
20.42​
59.09​
5​
Pakistan​
684​
29.73​
71.10​
0​
 
VForVendetta said:
What do you expect from an army of steady eddies? What was the last time an attacking top order specialist was given opportunity? This is a team whose captain can't even think beyond 280-300 even against the weakest team in the world on a placid track. It's a disgrace to the legacy of pairs like Anwar /Sohel, Anwar/Afridi etc. As the saying goes a man eventually becomes alike the company he keeps.That's exactly what's happened to Fakhar, on his quest to become an accumulator like his colleagues, he has idiotically lost his attacking prowess. I don't know if it's tragedy or comedy that Mickey Arthur is letting this happen.
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Let's keep Amir Sohail out of it -- his sr was only 65 in ODI's and his average was only 32. By relative standards, our current crop of openers are much better.
 
Rana said:
There is no one else in Pakistan that would actually change this abysmal approach

You have to take punts and open with guys like Asif Ali or Kushdil Shah
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Why do you need them when you already have Haris,Saim,Huraira etc? At least first use these guys properly instead of wasting them either on bench or at middle order like Haider.
 
VForVendetta said:
Why do you need them when you already have Haris,Saim,Huraira etc? At least first use these guys properly instead of wasting them either on bench or at middle order like Haider.
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Yeah go for it

Not sure about Hurraira I think he’s in the same mould as these Babars etc

But Pakistan have continuously wasted opportunities to try its proper six hitters in powerplays.
 
Devadwal said:
Dude both Asif Ali and Kushdil were played in Asian game and they can't even hit 40-45M boundaries
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The question is about the powerplay

Have you ever seen them bat in the powerplay? Not with 5 fielders on the boundary
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Wow interesting. Checked the stats on this. Order by SIX count for 2023 in power play

Team​
Runs​
Avge​
SR​
Sixes​
India​
1198​
63.05​
96.76​
32​
Australia​
794​
56.71​
119.57​
29​
South Africa​
686​
57.16​
87.50​
17​
England​
657​
29.86​
84.23​
11​
New zealand​
954​
29.81​
75.71​
7​
Bangladesh​
864​
24.68​
71.70​
6​
Afghanistan​
429​
20.42​
59.09​
5​
Pakistan​
684​
29.73​
71.10​
0​
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Yep that list excludes teams not at the WC.

So in reality we are much lower
 
Asad T said:
Let's keep Amir Sohail out of it -- his sr was only 65 in ODI's and his average was only 32. By relative standards, our current crop of openers are much better.
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I don't know if you watched him play, because if you did you wouldn't simply judge him based on those statistics. He was far more aggressive than any current top order batsman (minus Fakhar), could really bully a lesser bowling attack. Most importantly he complimentd Anwar brilliantly. He is one half of Pak's greatest opening pair. So of course he will always come into these sort of discussions,the man never struggled to hit sixes, a concept that seems to be alien for current crop.
 
I'm pleasantly surprised by this stat.

Maybe there is more than one to skin a cat? Let's see
 
Rana said:
Yeah go for it

Not sure about Hurraira I think he’s in the same mould as these Babars etc

But Pakistan have continuously wasted opportunities to try its proper six hitters in powerplays.
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Huraira doesn't have the killer instinct that Saim, Haris possess or Haider who used to possess, but from what I have seen I am confident the lad can play more freely than Babar. Saud didn't have it, but he developed, I am sure Huraira can too.
 
Six hitting ability is not viewed as an asset by some. That brings the intimidation factor. Honestly despite inconsistency guys like Afridi, Razzaq could be intimidating because of this. It tends to affect you mentally. Jayasuriya is another guy. Hated his guts because of his six hitting ability.
 
VForVendetta said:
I don't know if you watched him play, because if you did you wouldn't simply judge him based on those statistics. He was far more aggressive than any current top order batsman (minus Fakhar), could really bully a lesser bowling attack. Most importantly he complimentd Anwar brilliantly. He is one half of Pak's greatest opening pair. So of course he will always come into these sort of discussions,the man never struggled to hit sixes, a concept that seems to be alien for current crop.
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He may have been able to hit a 6 ... but sr of 65 after 155 matches is actually a joke. I'm glad I didnt see much of him; he would have put me to sleep haha
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Six hitting ability is not viewed as an asset by some. That brings the intimidation factor. Honestly despite inconsistency guys like Afridi, Razzaq could be intimidating because of this. It tends to affect you mentally. Jayasuriya is another guy. Hated his guts because of his six hitting ability.
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Yes you always need these sort of guys to unsettle opposition, because you can't plan properly for them. Pak always used have one or two such guys in their set up. Intimidation is a huge factor that's been missing in Pak cricket since Misbah took over.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Wow interesting. Checked the stats on this. Order by SIX count for 2023 in power play

Team​
Runs​
Avge​
SR​
Sixes​
India​
1198​
63.05​
96.76​
32​
Australia​
794​
56.71​
119.57​
29​
South Africa​
686​
57.16​
87.50​
17​
England​
657​
29.86​
84.23​
11​
New zealand​
954​
29.81​
75.71​
7​
Bangladesh​
864​
24.68​
71.70​
6​
Afghanistan​
429​
20.42​
59.09​
5​
Pakistan​
684​
29.73​
71.10​
0​
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Take a look at the table below (including today's WC matches), ODI W/L ratio in 2023.

India is top, but Pakistan, with 0 sixes in PP, is 3rd.

Look where England and Australia are!

Simply, hitting sixes in the PP are not proportional to ODI wins.

6s in the PP is yet an another exaggerated requirement/stat.

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Asad T said:
He may have been able to hit a 6 ... but sr of 65 after 155 matches is actually a joke. I'm glad I didnt see much of him; he would have put me to sleep haha
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I had already predicted by your remarks that you hadn't seen him. As a commentator he definitely puts people to sleep, but as a batsman not really. Plus if you can tolerate Imam of all people, I can guarantee you wouldn't have felt bored with him.
 
VForVendetta said:
I had already predicted by your remarks that you hadn't seen him. As a commentator he definitely puts people to sleep, but as a batsman not really. Plus if you can tolerate Imam of all people, I can guarantee you wouldn't have felt bored with him.
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Yeah, maybe you are right; I can't say much more than quote his stats because he was before my time, and maybe he was better than his stats suggest. Anyway, I better stay on topic now
 
VForVendetta said:
I had already predicted by your remarks that you hadn't seen him. As a commentator he definitely puts people to sleep, but as a batsman not really. Plus if you can tolerate Imam of all people, I can guarantee you wouldn't have felt bored with him.
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I think it is more to do with general approach. Not everyone had this template of going after bowling inside power play. That was considered as a novelty when Greatbatch did that. Long before Srikkanth used to do that. Then Greatbatch. Then Sachin Tendulkar since he started opening. After that Jayasuriya. Afridi did. Outside of these select players players had this strategy of settling in and going after bowling as the inning goes. Those days first 15 overs were power play overs. That's it. Also only few batsmen rotated strike better and took singles, twos. So fans knew what to expect. Nowadays nobody plays like that. Dhawan had a slump his strike rate went below 75. Dropped.
 
Technics 1210 said:
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Should be, I can see the right screenshot.

Here is the link to the screenshot :

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I am not commenting. I just shared the stat. You are okay with that approach. Fine. But zimbabwe/Canada have better W/L ratio than Australia. Even England is middling. But not sure they are talking about that aspect. They are discussing about a specific missing element with Pakistan top order.
 
A sports picked up the the Stat and aired it on TV.

Misbah’s seemed a little off with this discussion.

Looks like 6’s and SR is a discussion he doesn’t enjoy.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
I am not commenting. I just shared the stat. You are okay with that approach. Fine. But zimbabwe/Canada have better W/L ratio than Australia. Even England is middling. But not sure they are talking about that aspect. They are discussing about a specific missing element with Pakistan top order.
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Here's why I am referring to W/L ODI of 2023, what matters in the end is the win, and there is no direct correlation between number of 6s in PP with ODI Team wins, proving that - 6s in the PP are not that important! - hence the stat in the OP is not that shocking at all.

Pakistan missing the 6 hitting ability in PP, so what? It's not the end of the world, because it's the win that matters, not 6s in PP phase. This is the point.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Here's why I am referring to W/L ODI of 2023, what matters in the end is the win, and there is no direct correlation between number of 6s in PP with ODI Team wins, proving that - 6s in the PP are not that important! - hence the stat in the OP is not that shocking at all.

Pakistan missing the 6 hitting ability in PP, so what? It's not the end of the world, because it's the win that matters, not 6s in PP phase. This is the point.
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So you think there is absolutely no scope for improvement?
 
What is more relevant is the number of runs scored in the PP phase, but even this has no direct correlation to wins.
 
I'd care more about average and SR than hitting 6's. They should focus on strike rotation and low-risk boundaries.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Take a look at the table below (including today's WC matches), ODI W/L ratio in 2023.

India is top, but Pakistan, with 0 sixes in PP, is 3rd.

Look where England and Australia are!

Simply, hitting sixes in the PP are not proportional to ODI wins.

6s in the PP is yet an another exaggerated requirement/stat.

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That includes 3 wins against Afghanistan,1 against NED and 1 against Nepal.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
That includes 3 wins against Afghanistan,1 against NED and 1 against Nepal.
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Irrelevant.

England and Australia have hit more 6s in the PP phase in 2023 than Pakistan (0) yet have a a worse ODI W/L ratio in 2023 compared to Pakistan.

Take Pakistan out of the table. List me England/Australia ODI opponents and tell me why their 6s in the PP phase did not amount to more wins?

Point still stands, 6s in PP phase do not have a direct coloration to wins, so are hardly worth being shocked over.
 
Saj said:
This just exemplifies the approach by too many of our current batters.

Safety first, get your runs, improve your average, improve your ranking - zero intent!
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For this to be true you’d have to say that our top order batsman have the ability to hit sixes at will but are holding back.

I don’t think this is completely true. Aside from Fakhar our top 5 just doesn’t have the profile of power hitters in.

This is because our ‘power hitters’ are generally terrible batsmen and we can’t pick them.

The management would have to be stupid to think of getting useless hacks like Haider and Haris to open just so they can hit and giggle and then leave us 12-2 in every match.

People who think the first 10 overs are just “hit it over the infield and InshaAllah” are simply exposing the fact that they’ve never held a bat in their life.

Going forward we need to start the apprenticeship for Saim Ayub immediately as he is the only one in the set up who looks like he can change the status quo.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You can kinda strike down every suggestion with this argument "Result is more important"
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Of course, the end result is what matters. Are you saying it does not?

There are more risk averse ways to score runs that hitting 6s in the PP phase that result in wins, strike rotation being the prime example.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Of course, the end result is what matters. Are you saying it does not?

There are more risk averse ways to score runs that hitting 6s in the PP phase that result in wins, strike rotation being the prime example.
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So when you’re chasing 400 (a very realistic possibility), sixes don’t matter?

I mean there’s looking at the bright side and then there’s pure delusion
 
Technics 1210 said:
Irrelevant.

England and Australia have hit more 6s in the PP phase in 2023 than Pakistan (0) yet have a a worse ODI W/L ratio in 2023 compared to Pakistan.

Take Pakistan out of the table. List me England/Australia ODI opponents and tell me why their 6s in the PP phase did not amount to more wins?

Point still stands, 6s in PP phase do not have a direct coloration to wins, so are hardly worth being shocked over.
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They have played better teams than the ones mentioned.

6's don't have a direct correlation but PP scores do. If Pakistani batsmen are too weak/limited to hit sixes, they should be skilled enough to find the gaps and pierce the infield and get boundaries. They can't seem to do either currently .
 
Technics 1210 said:
Of course, the end result is what matters. Are you saying it does not?

There are more risk averse ways to score runs that hitting 6s in the PP phase that result in wins, strike rotation being the prime example.
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Their strike rate is also poor, Their average is also poor. Their six hitting is also poor. Why do you think strike rotation is important if you have a W/L ratio that is better than Australia?
 
TheSultan said:
So when you’re chasing 400 (a very realistic possibility), sixes don’t matter?

I mean there’s looking at the bright side and then there’s pure delusion
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No one said 6s do not help, but we are 1) talking about 6s in the PP phase (read the OP), and 2) Strike rotation is more important that hitting 6s in the PP phase.

I am just highlighting the fact that hitting 6s in the PP phase is not the be all end all, and do have a direct coloration to wins.

If you think the end result does not matter, and only 6s matter, then this is beyond delusion.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
They have played better teams than the ones mentioned.

6's don't have a direct correlation but PP scores do. If Pakistani batsmen are too weak/limited to hit sixes, they should be skilled enough to find the gaps and pierce the infield and get boundaries. They can't seem to do either currently .
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As I said, take Pakistan out of the equation, and focus say Australia, despite Australia hitting more 6s in PP phase than Pakistan and a few others, despite playing better quality opposition, Australia still have a W/L ratio below 1.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Their strike rate is also poor, Their average is also poor. Their six hitting is also poor. Why do you think strike rotation is important if you have a W/L ratio that is better than Australia?
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SR/AVG retort!

Strike rotation is more risk averse. Smacking boundaries on the other hand has a higher risk.

This is precisely why Australia may have hit the second most number of 6s at the highest SR in the PP phase, yet end up with an abysmal team average in 2023. (See table below)

Strike Rate is a misleading stat. A batsman can score a 6 off the first ball, then get out the next ball, and end up with a 300% SR.


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Rana said:
There is no one else in Pakistan that would actually change this abysmal approach

You have to take punts and open with guys like Asif Ali or Kushdil Shah
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Khushdil Shah?!
 
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Nikhil_cric said:
Australia have played stronger opposition than a NZ 'D' side and minnows like AFG, NED and Nepal.
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Yet Australia still have a W/L ratio less than 1 in 2023, despite hitting the 2nd highest number of 6s in the PP phase in 2023 with the highest SR.

Proving my point. 6s in the PP phase is just a fantasy and meaningless stat.

Have fun.
 
For the record Pakistan faced 962 balls in 2023 in power play. Surprised they did not get even a single loose delivery.
 
this stat is one of the reasons why I’m beginning to lose interest in Pakistan cricket.

Only Saim Ayub, Umar Akmal, Sharjeel and Mo Harris can end this misery.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Yet Australia still have a W/L ratio less than 1 in 2023, despite hitting the 2nd highest number of 6s in the PP phase in 2023 with the highest SR.

Proving my point. 6s in the PP phase is just a fantasy and meaningless stat.

Have fun.
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Australia are probably the fastest scoring team in PP. But sure, I'm absolutely looking forward to Imam's masterclass in nurdling the ball around and Fakhar looking like a tailender against any movement. Good luck to Pakistan :)
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Australia are probably the fastest scoring team in PP. But sure, I'm absolutely looking forward to Imam's masterclass in nurdling the ball around and Fakhar looking like a tailender against any movement. Good luck to Pakistan :)
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Good for Australia, net result, 0.833 ODI W/L ratio in 2023 - meaning - Australia lose more matches than they win matches despite being one of the fastest PP scoring teams in 2023, and despite playing better quality oppositions.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Good for Australia, net result, 0.833 ODI W/L ratio in 2023 - meaning - Australia lose more matches than they win matches despite being one of the fastest PP scoring teams in 2023, and despite playing better quality oppositions.
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Tbh bilaterals are meaningless in ODIs. We all know who does better in WCs between Australia and us.

Lack of 6s means bowlers can get comfortable on a line and length and we are not able to intimidate bowlers.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
Tbh bilaterals are meaningless in ODIs. We all know who does better in WCs between Australia and us.

Lack of 6s means bowlers can get comfortable on a line and length and we are not able to intimidate bowlers.
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You're the one who started this thread based on 6s in PP phases of ODIs in 2023.

If you want to change the parameters to ODI WC only, then start another thread?
 
Technics 1210 said:
Good for Australia, net result, 0.833 ODI W/L ratio in 2023 - meaning - Australia lose more matches than they win matches despite being one of the fastest PP scoring teams in 2023, and despite playing better quality oppositions.
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You were playing at full strength with Naseem Shah. He's not there in the team anymore. :) The Aussies got their full strength back only recently.

Against WC sides and since the last CWC, this is how openers have fared

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Basically, Imam is the worst opener among top 6 sides and Fakhar is better than Will Young and that's about it. Gill, Rohit, Warner, Head, QDK, Bavuma, Conway, Malan and Bairstow can score rapidly and sustain a healthy average more than Fakhar let alone the snail-paced Imam.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You were playing at full strength with Naseem Shah. He's not there in the team anymore. :) The Aussies got their full strength back only recently.

Against WC sides and since the last CWC, this is how openers have fared

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Basically, Imam is the worst opener among top 6 sides and Fakhar is better than Will Young and that's about it. Gill, Rohit, Warner, Head, QDK, Bavuma, Conway, Malan and Bairstow can score rapidly and sustain a healthy average more than Fakhar let alone the snail-paced Imam.
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Imam can be the worst opener among top 6 sides, but Australia have better openers, yet still cannot register a W/L ratio above 1 in 2023 ODIs.

Not sure what your point is.
 
On a side note, India have also played Nepal this year in an ODI, and will be playing NL too!

🤣🤣🤣
 
Forget Imam ul Haq and Fakhar Zaman

What about Babar the T20 powerplay opener??

What is his balls per 6 ratio in T20 cricket?? I’m guessing something like 1 six every 100 balls!
 
Abdullah Shafiq has a power game and he has proved himself in the PSL many times. If only he could get a golden boy run like Fakhar Zaman and he will eventually play more freely.
 
This is abysmal! Had no Idea it was this bad. Someone get this stat to any of the commentator so they can repeat it numerous times during the game so maybe our openers and team ll gain some ghairat and make an effort to change it. Knowing attitude of Babar, he ll be okay be with these stats.

How did we end up here to our past blistering openers like Anwar, Afridi, Nazir.
 
Savak said:
Abdullah Shafiq has a power game and he has proved himself in the PSL many times. If only he could get a golden boy run like Fakhar Zaman and he will eventually play more freely.
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Shafique can’t nail the hook/pull shot

How do you expect him to hit sixes against proper pace bowlers in the powerplay?
 
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