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Shocking stat: Pakistan have 0 powerplay (0-10 overs) sixes in ODI'S in 2023!

Rana said:
Mods should add a video of this response. He answered this question very aggressively, clear anger as he was the one being targeted for his lack of intent.

Why can’t he show this aggression in his batting during the powerplay? Does he only show proper intent in interviews when questioned?
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Because he knows he's a fraud lol. He needed fakhar hand holding to function. Now that's out of the way Abdullah has exposed him badly.

Imam as the senior player can't attack 😂😂, and Abdullah's shots look like he was born a malnourished child. Barely any power
 
Technics 1210 said:
Take a look at the table below (including today's WC matches), ODI W/L ratio in 2023.

India is top, but Pakistan, with 0 sixes in PP, is 3rd.

Look where England and Australia are!

Simply, hitting sixes in the PP are not proportional to ODI wins.

6s in the PP is yet an another exaggerated requirement/stat.

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Very interesting read. Good to see not everyone is sheepishly going all out for the early six hitting.

I think right now the much bigger issue with the batting is how poor the conversion rates are for players getting starts, such as the shocking way the likes of Babar, Saud and Iftikhar are throwing away their wickets. The burden on them is big but it makes the nature of their dismissals even worse. Rizwan and Shafique are our only intelligent batsman right now it looks like? Imam lets himself down time and again despite having a decent level of talent.

The shake up I would make is Iftikhar should come in earlier. I’d say bring him in as a number 3. Unleash him in a situation where he is free to swing his arms without this big concern for the lower order. If he comes off you get a quickfire 30 odd and allows a platform for Babar, Rizwan and Saud to go about their natural games more.

And another massive issue is how SHOCKING our all rounders and lower order batters are. I mean Nawaz might be one of the worst and pointless players I’ve ever seen play for Pakistan. He has contributed NOTHING with bat or ball. He is playing PURELY because of friendship reasons. I’m amazed out of Shadab and Nawaz that Nawaz is the one who stayed in? They’re both terrible but Nawaz is the biggest joke ever. Shadab at least has SOME history of batting well. Hassan Ali has the lowest IQ of any lower order hitter I have seen also despite his potential to hit big.

How can a team have literally nothing left when they’re 5/6 down? And it’s not as though those bowlers are playing well either.
 
Watched the Imam press conference today and what I gather is that these boys believe this is the way they play so take it or leave it, we will not change.

Worrying and disappointing attitude to be honest.
 
Saj said:
Watched the Imam press conference today and what I gather is that these boys believe this is the way they play so take it or leave it, we will not change.

Worrying and disappointing attitude to be honest.
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Imam had revised a statistic about the team regularly chasing 350 and told the journalist who asked the question that ‘he should know this’.

Honestly I am sick and tired of the attitude this team has. On top of it, I’m shocked at how the PCB sends him and Rizwan for press conferences. These two individuals should be nowhere near a microphone
 
Rana said:
Imam had revised a statistic about the team regularly chasing 350 and told the journalist who asked the question that ‘he should know this’.

Honestly I am sick and tired of the attitude this team has. On top of it, I’m shocked at how the PCB sends him and Rizwan for press conferences. These two individuals should be nowhere near a microphone
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What did rizwan do the mic?

I only know of the iconic "I am not happy batting at no 5, I want to bat at no 4"
 
mominsaigol said:
What did rizwan do the mic?

I only know of the iconic "I am not happy batting at no 5, I want to bat at no 4"
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He’s made horrendous comments that have come back to bite him in the back as well. He said something along the lines of ‘players playing selfishly will be disgraced by Allah, and people commenting for personal agendas will also be disgraced’

Shortly after he played that infamous 97* against New Zealand 4th T20i in Rawalpindi. Imad was striking the ball at 300 but Rizwan wanted to hog the strike or force Imad to give him a single so that he can complete his hundred. The result? Rizwan didn’t get his hundred….NZ chased down 190ish and levelled the series 2-2. This was New Zealand’s B team btw, all of their best players were playing IPL at the time.
 
“And the first question - is that every team has its own way. Yes, we definitely talk about this. And as Ejaz [reporter] said- in 2 days we chased 350 in two – that is our pattern - many times earlier also we have chased a solid score, 350 or 360, we have chased many times before. Yesterday I was reading the record that we are second in chasing 350.

So obviously if we are doing something good, we chase 350.

So, to doubt on how we used to play before and how we playing now - every team has its own pattern on how to chase, we aim to build a foundation. It depends on whether you are chasing 350 or not. If we played 6-7 matches in the last, we chased 350 in 2 matches.

Just 2 matches back we chased 350 and in 10 overs we were 49/2. So, this is very important for you to see”

In which two matches did Pakistan chase 350??

I know one where SL bottled 344 on a track where they were set to get 400. Whay was Imam’s contribution in that chase? What other match is he talking about? We lost by 228 when India piled 350 against us a few games before that
 
Pakistan could set/chase 300, 350, 400, 450, and beyond, but in the end 0-10 PP stats, 6s, 4s, 100+ SRs are irrelevant - because - when Pakistan batting performs well and towards a win, even record breaking, the opposition bowling was C, D, E grade/had an off day according to fans who want the best for Pakistan.
 
You will only improve if you accept your mistakes, if your stubborn like this PCT your never going to improve.

They strongly believe there is nothing wrong with their performance and apparently they are winning every single game and they are ranked no 1 in the icc tournaments and are the best team in the world.

This attitude stinks

Abdullah shafiq, Imam ul haq, Babar azam, shadab khan, nawaz, haris rauf, saud shakeel

They all need to go after the worldcup
 
emranabbas said:
You will only improve if you accept your mistakes, if your stubborn like this PCT your never going to improve.

They strongly believe there is nothing wrong with their performance and apparently they are winning every single game and they are ranked no 1 in the icc tournaments and are the best team in the world.

This attitude stinks

Abdullah shafiq, Imam ul haq, Babar azam, shadab khan, nawaz, haris rauf, saud shakeel

They all need to go after the worldcup
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I think we just need a Bazball-type cultural shift otherwise we will just be constantly outplayed by the bigger teams
 
Rana said:
He’s made horrendous comments that have come back to bite him in the back as well. He said something along the lines of ‘players playing selfishly will be disgraced by Allah, and people commenting for personal agendas will also be disgraced’

Shortly after he played that infamous 97* against New Zealand 4th T20i in Rawalpindi. Imad was striking the ball at 300 but Rizwan wanted to hog the strike or force Imad to give him a single so that he can complete his hundred. The result? Rizwan didn’t get his hundred….NZ chased down 190ish and levelled the series 2-2. This was New Zealand’s B team btw, all of their best players were playing IPL at the time.
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I saw the t20 game lol, it was literally this year. Mark Chapman was 🔥 in that game. And yh I remember rizzu asking imad to give him back the strike.
 
Asad T said:
I think we just need a Bazball-type cultural shift otherwise we will just be constantly outplayed by the bigger teams
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Not yet, our next ODI series is in November 2024 in Australia. I want to see this team being further exposed, it’s the only way we’ll see major changes to our LOI team.
 
Asad T said:
I think we just need a Bazball-type cultural shift otherwise we will just be constantly outplayed by the bigger teams
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It was pakistan who introduced bazball in cricket I still remember shahid afridi opening in Tests and play at 150+ strike rate but didn't work for long lol

It doesn't have to be bazball cricket but if batting first we should be able to read the pitch and score as we go rather than the top 4 stat padding till the 35th over and then asking lower order to score at 10 an over

Or if we are chasing and the required run rate is 8 an over we shouldn't be playing at 5 an over atleast we should be hitting 7 an over
 
Asad T said:
I think we just need a Bazball-type cultural shift otherwise we will just be constantly outplayed by the bigger teams
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We don't need a bazzball shift. India doesn't bazzball, only rohit does sometimes.

The mindset should be to target and attack. Respect good bowling but make sure the bowler knows that if the length is even a bit wrong you'll get punished. And try to convert singles into doubles as much as possible.

It isn't hard, it's just more risky but you can't have averages drop in Pakistan now can you?

The fact that it's been nearly 20 games since Pakistan has hit a six in the piwerplay goes to show the mentality.

Kohli on paper you can argue played slow today, but if anyone watched his game you could tell he was attacking and taking the game away from NZ like a master technician.

It's just mindset, Pakistani players don't get out of their comfort zones, even our old players who we use to call medicore like hafeez and malik got put of their comfort zones, they atleast got out to attack the spin and try to attack bowling even if they were that good at it.
 
This thread is turning into an epic thread lol Everyone is waiting to see when the cycle would be broken.
 
Look we all know that winning cricket matches isn't just about hitting sixes. A lot more goes into it than just big hits.

The problem Pakistan has is that there are too many batters with a similar approach currently in the team. All wanting to start slowly, build there innings, knock the ball around and then eventually go for some big hits.

Most teams in this tournament have players who can score quickly in the first 10 overs and players who can continue the aggression in the middle overs and have players who can blast it at the end if needed.

The guy for Pakistan who was different in his approach was of course Fakhar Zaman who has form, confidence and fitness issues.
 
Another reason why Pakistan are languishing at the bottom lack of ability to clear ropes , Cummins coming in at 8 has more ability to hit sixes cleanly than any of our batsman in the three formats
 
You have to have some variety in your top 6 batters.

Lefties, righties, hitters, strike-rotators.

Pakistan put all their eggs in the Fakhar Zaman basket.....
 
its clear, if we don't change our approach quickly, we're going to continue to languish behind the top sides who are much more athletic and powerful. Heck, even Afg have more power than us.
 
Saj said:
Pakistan batters dot balls so far at this World Cup:



143 v Netherlands

143 v Sri Lanka

154 v India

129 v Australia

145 v Afghanistan

156 v South Africa
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That is shocking you can see how the top order have not been utilizing the balls

1 boundry and 5 dots to reach their personal milestone
 
Time we be honest with our selves , we will never be a dominant team until we improve our economy and calorie intake ,

I've had the pleasure of watching the world cup with my wife and everytime without fail she has commented on How "Kamzoar" our players are compared to the "Gora" teams ,

We can't deny it any longer. Players like Neesham , glen phillips, Klaasen Miller , Butler are Huge with big thick Bone structures compared to Our skinnier limbed players,

This is about bone structure and not neccessary Muscle mass , this comes from adequate calorie intake during the formative years, I can't say it is genetics as I'm In England And British pakistanis here are massive in general , which can be attributed to the western diet and Nutirition during the puberty years. Even shorter players like Warner Maxwell are wider and thicker than our players.

Yesterday I watched some Kiwi batters hitting the same splices/ shots sailing over the boundary which would only go past the 30 yard circle with our players Saud shakeel, Babar , Rizwan etc who have to time it perfectly to get it right. A bludgeon or a mis hit is always Straight to the fielder within the boundary , when the Gora teams even a mis hit/ mis judge of the spin sails over the boundary because of the sheer force going through the ball.

Stunted growth both vertical and bone density wise is rampant in the Indian subcontinent due to the lack if adequate nutrition during puberty which is causing our adults to be shorter and less denser . Not the case for the Over seas pakistanis/ desis who are huge in comparison so can't be down to genes.

Unfortunately in the modern game our team won't improve until we improve our economy and food availability, sometimes as a player standing and delivering a bludgeon through the line sailing in to the crowd puts the fear of God in to the opposition!

Thoughts
 
In the modern game we need big dense Cricketers with the ability to hit big- Those with the power and sheer force that even a mistime or a sails over the boundary rope..

Chris gayle comes to mind.. a good percentage of his shots weren't of the middle of the bat yet they went comfortably over the line. In the modern game its impossible to time every shot perfectly ..
 
What rubbish. Kushal mendis hits 6s at will.Hardik pandya who has a lean body hits some of the longest 6s. Its all about talent and ability. Indian players from Rohit till Jaddu hit 6s at will. Ruturaj Gaikwad times 6s into the stands. Imam, Babar, Saud etc just dont have the strokes to hit 6s like Rachin has.
 
How can you call then kamzor when they have big fat bellies

They have been eating too much cake which obviously is the wrong food

On top of that they are a lazy bunch not working out and not losing the fat

All they need to do is eat the right amount of calories and have the right nutritions ie protein
Work out in the gym and convert that fat into muscle and keep track of their body
 
ex-q-zit said:
What rubbish. Kushal mendis hits 6s at will.Hardik pandya who has a lean body hits some of the longest 6s. Its all about talent and ability. Indian players from Rohit till Jaddu hit 6s at will. Ruturaj Gaikwad times 6s into the stands. Imam, Babar, Saud etc just dont have the strokes to hit 6s like Rachin has.
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You have named some players who are exception to the rule, Hardik is a freak 6 hitter and so is Mendis. Generally The Less dense players bone density wise Such as the Saud shakeels Of the world The bengalis , Abdullah etc need to time every ball to perfection for hit to go for six,

Our earlier class Including Afridi Razzaq Akram Nazir etc were all thick boned individuals who all happened to exist at the same time hence the six htting ability. Skill is not everything sometimes it comes down to sheer force and athletic ability,

Deontay wilder for example in the boxing world is known for his extra ordinary power , he has very little boxing ability but has that game ending power and speed.

In Football the strikers ate usually less skilled but have insane speed and power in the first 20 meters which gives them ability to get infront / shake of thier man marker to score tap ins. infact purr strikers are usually
lesser skilled then midfielders/ play makers but they do have game changing athletic ability .

Now I will retract my statement slightly , I know there is some hugely talented and well built individuals on a pakistan, Maybe we should selection criteria which picks on the basis of strength and Height etc and not so much on the dinky nudger and nurdlers ( who play thier vital in the Longer format of the game)

I'm aware I may sound like a xenophobic teenager here But we can't ignore the fact that the "Gora" teams absolutely select on size and strength Especially in shorter formats, hence the sheer amount of huge players in thier set up.
 
emranabbas said:
How can you call then kamzor when they have big fat bellies

They have been eating too much cake which obviously is the wrong food

On top of that they are a lazy bunch not working out and not losing the fat

All they need to do is eat the right amount of calories and have the right nutritions ie protein
Work out in the gym and convert that fat into muscle and keep track of their body
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Statements like "Convert the Fat in to muscle " Is why we will always be behind other nations even though cricket is the only sport played by Millions . To re iterate I am NOT talking about muscle mass or general body fat levels , im talking about Bone density and ligament strength, Height, which only comes from adequate Nutrition and good air quality, playing grounds etc which all comes from a sound economy . I spend time in both the UK and Pakistan so I can see and reflect on the cultures , dietary habits and people of both countries.
 
Rohit Sharma is a more gifted six hitter than literally anyone ever in the history of the game. He’s no benchmark for fitness or brute strength. David Warner is another player in similar category. Short guy with not a lot of muscles but smashes it everywhere , these guys are just gifted hitters.

Fitness is needed 100%, to be able to maintain peak performance for the longest duration. To be able to run singles and doubles, to be able to field for 50 overs and then bat 40 overs to chase the total, to do the sprints in the field and have a strong throw.

Six hitting is arguable the least concern in this area. It’s more of a talent some are born with. The finest six hitters are all great timers rather than being great muscle men.
 
There is clear and consistent correlation between Sporting prowess and economic strength. GDP per capita especially.

Take New Zealand for example, 5 million and excel In cricket, Rugby , volleyball Basketball Boxing all due to the various factors described.
 
big_pappa_cricket99 said:
You have named some players who are exception to the rule, Hardik is a freak 6 hitter and so is Mendis. Generally The Less dense players bone density wise Such as the Saud shakeels Of the world The bengalis , Abdullah etc need to time every ball to perfection for hit to go for six,

Our earlier class Including Afridi Razzaq Akram Nazir etc were all thick boned individuals who all happened to exist at the same time hence the six htting ability. Skill is not everything sometimes it comes down to sheer force and athletic ability,

Deontay wilder for example in the boxing world is known for his extra ordinary power , he has very little boxing ability but has that game ending power and speed.

In Football the strikers ate usually less skilled but have insane speed and power in the first 20 meters which gives them ability to get infront / shake of thier man marker to score tap ins. infact purr strikers are usually
lesser skilled then midfielders/ play makers but they do have game changing athletic ability .

Now I will retract my statement slightly , I know there is some hugely talented and well built individuals on a pakistan, Maybe we should selection criteria which picks on the basis of strength and Height etc and not so much on the dinky nudger and nurdlers ( who play thier vital in the Longer format of the game)

I'm aware I may sound like a xenophobic teenager here But we can't ignore the fact that the "Gora" teams absolutely select on size and strength Especially in shorter formats, hence the sheer amount of huge players in thier set up.
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Wasn't Asif Ali selected based on his 6 hitting capability. We all know what happened. I reiterate 6 hitting is not all about brute power. Even azam khan though is heavily built is very talented. i still remember a 6 he hit in PSL. the ball was way outside off but he hit it at midwicket into the stands. Power hitting is a skill and unfortunately none in pakistan team including Chacha have that skill.
 
ex-q-zit said:
Wasn't Asif Ali selected based on his 6 hitting capability. We all know what happened. I reiterate 6 hitting is not all about brute power. Even azam khan though is heavily built is very talented. i still remember a 6 he hit in PSL. the ball was way outside off but he hit it at midwicket into the stands. Power hitting is a skill and unfortunately none in pakistan team including Chacha have that skill.
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Asif ali Is not a big guy by every stretch of the imagination , Azam Khan underneath the fat is a small boned individual. you have not provided any solid refutations to my point,

I want our selectors to Pick the biggest individuals in our domestic scene and let them Loose ! forget skill and Dinking it around the field . We have the lowest strike amongst the top 7 teams , no six hitting ability what so ever. Look at the Big "Gora" teams,

Glen phillips Zero nudger nurdler ability but can smash you in to the stand if a mis hit ! same with Neesham , klaasen Markham jansen .

It's Clear to me that the top 4 teams select on the basis of size and strength with big booming bat lifts and follow throughs , Batters strong enough to weild the bigger heavier modern bats which top edges fly for 6 , mishits end up 6 rows back in the crowd.

Our players have to time every 6 attempt to Perfection, middle of the ( lighter) bat , a slight mis time ends up in the smiling hands of the Long on fielder.
 
Surely as persons of privilege, the players would have access to a proper diet and fitness regime regardless of the current economic woes of the nation.

Doesn't explain how other countries like Afghan, SL and Bangla which are comparable can groom power hitters but we can't. No lad, the issues lies elsewhere which is well documented on this forum.
 
Look in Pakistan you only get 2 types of batters - the chubby accumulators or Asif Ali type brainless slogger.

Only exception is Babar and he has lost his form. At one point he was banging in consistent centuries. I don't think captaincy was a good idea, he should concentrate on becoming the worlds best batter again and handover the headache of captaincy to someone else.

Also I don't think this MA remote working and only turning up for the tournaments is a good way of organising the back room. Need a full time and committed coach working in NCA daily and with the players.
 
You’re right. If you have played gully cricket then you know that the biggest & most fattest friend is, BY FAR, the best batter. He can hit the best shots. The biggest sixes. Beautiful strokes. We need big beasts playing cricket. Those with plenty of strength. That’s how you win.

@big_pappa_cricket99
 
Most Indian six-hitters are exquisite timers. Pakistan batsmen are not timers like Indians. There is a huge difference there. One possible explanation is something already explained. Tape ball vs Tennis ball. To play tape ball cricket you don't need timing. For a hard tennis ball, you need timing. You can improve your timing. Rachin Ravindra's hitting styles are very close to how Indians bat. Brilliant timing. Nothing more.
 
cannot buy this nutrition thing, could be one of the factor. However the six hitting by Rohit Sharma are no slogs, its timing and picking the right deliveries
 
Salman Butt commented that the Pakistani players needed to work on their strength training in the gym and actually work with proper qualified trainers on their upper bodies to increase their strength, hitting power.
 
Savak said:
Salman Butt commented that the Pakistani players needed to work on their strength training in the gym and actually work with proper qualified trainers on their upper bodies to increase their strength, hitting power.
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Surely Biryani and Mutton can solve those issues can't they.

Who needs to train! :P
 
Change of opener is showing that six hitting is happening now for Pakistan.
 
right after the fakhar's comeback into the theam it appears that Pakistan has resolved the issue of hitting sixes during the powerplay.
 
Fakhar is that rare gem of Pakistan; fearless and powerful
 
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The heart of ODI cricket is full use of 1st PP, which Pakistan has wasted mostly
 
In just 3 matches, Fakhar Zaman is now tied with Quinton De Kock for the third place in the highest number of 6's this tournament. Quite remarkable and quite clearly the missing link.

I thought he deserved a drop - and deservedly so. But so happy I am to be proven wrong.

He single handedly won the match for us against NZ and is responsible for giving us a chance to reach the semi's.

I remember reading a stat somewhere - after the loss against South Africa, we had a 3% chance of qualifying for the semi's. Wonder what those numbers are now. I would guess somewhere around the 20-25% chance.
 
Most 6s at the World Cup so far:

22 Rohit Sharma (360 balls faced)
20 David Warner (383 balls faced)
18 Fakhar Zaman (170 balls faced)
18 Quinton de Kock (494 balls faced)
 
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