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Should Fawad Alam be brought in to strengthen the LOI middle order?

Sher Khan

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Our resources are so hopeless that even Fawad Alam has more credibility to perform than the duds we are trying right now. I would say get Fawad in at 4/5 and Haris can bat at 6 then. Despite, his old age he can atleast occupy the crease.
 
No I’d rather have haris in the odi squad. Fawad is fine for tests plus his strike rate is not gonna be enough even for odis at 70-75. None of them belong in T20s for sure.
 
Don't worry Saud is coming back to ODIs in England series. I also would like to see Kamran Ghulam in ODI too
 
Fawad seems like Lara/Graeme pollock after watching Danish & Asif batting yesterday.
 
Yup same time think about bringing inzamam as well. I think this will be one step forward and two steps back type of decision
 
No playing him in the wrong formats and watching him struggle is how he lost his place in the test team last time. He's good in test cricket so let him continue playing in his best format.
 
Saud Shakeel and Haris Sohail should get chances before him. Don't think he has a place in a 2021 white-ball side. He is fine playing well in the Test side
 
Our resources are so hopeless that even Fawad Alam has more credibility to perform than the duds we are trying right now. I would say get Fawad in at 4/5 and Haris can bat at 6 then. Despite, his old age he can atleast occupy the crease.

I’m the biggest Fawad fan out there but honestly his style was never meant for ODIs, but I feel he’s always been a test calibre player. Fact is that we must be realistic that Fawad won’t be part of the World Cup plans and so I would rather opt for Hammad Azam/Agha Salman/Saud Shakeel/Kamran Ghulam.
 
Fawad is better than talat, salad, iftikhar, aziz, etc useless cricketers combined..
 
Lol what a hilarious suggestion.

Fawad Alam was well known to be unable to clear the inner circle as a young man, what makes you think he will muscle it out of the park at the age of 36??
 
Hes not a limited overs player

How about picking players in the correct formats?
 
Agree.

Also someone like Asad Shafiq would be an ideal pick to bring more solidity to that middle order.
 
Agree.

Also someone like Asad Shafiq would be an ideal pick to bring more solidity to that middle order.

You do know the meaning of solidity in cricketing terms is actually making runs dont you?
 
We need young players who have fire in the belly like Hasan Ali. The only two who seem to show it among the young ones are Rohail Nazir and Musa Khan
 
Fawad was always a decent odi player. A bit like imam in that sense. And just like Imam, his issue was always lack of acceleration in the later part of the inning. The conundrum of Pakistan cricket is that it’s just full of one dimensional cricketers right now. You either have the likes of those who likes to slog from the start (and fail more often than not) and those who are steady in the beginning and find it very hard to accelerate.
 
If we have learned anything in the past two years of trying to fill in the gaps in our team, it's that domestic stats are unfortunately not credible for international selection.

Statistically speaking, someone like Iftikhar Ahmed deserves to be in the ODI team, but his ODI numbers don't reflect that. I do agree that he wasn't given a fair shot in the ODI format, which is something Pakistan will need to look into. It's a classic case where we drop one player from all formats when they don't perform in one.

But my point still stands, our domestic stats are over-rated where players with bog average techniques and no temperament can farm runs.

If we are to pick players for the middle order, we can no longer afford to be quantitative in our decision-making, because look where it has gotten us.

We need to take an approach of backing qualitatively better players for national selection. What I mean is that even if there's a guy averaging 40+ in domestic cricket, look for someone who has a better technique and a better ceiling and back him.

As for Fawad Alam, he's not even an option for ODI cricket. Bring back Haris Sohail to ODI cricket, and then be creative with the middle order in T20s where we are desperate for a good player.
 
Fawad is way too old for LOI cricket. Saud should be next in line for an ODI debut and if he was fit for the SA series, I am sure he would have debuted. Fawad can play Tests in the short term.
 
Fawad is way too old for LOI cricket. Saud should be next in line for an ODI debut and if he was fit for the SA series, I am sure he would have debuted. Fawad can play Tests in the short term.

Nah I’d like Fawad to play tests for at least 5 years, he’s got good fitness.
 
If Curtly Ambrose takes back his retirement, is given honorary citizenship of Pakistan and then is picked to represent Pakistan in the T20 middle order, he might end up scoring more runs than Haider and Asif combined.

Based on that I would take in Fawad Alam any day of the week. He also bowls decent part time spin, is fit and is a good fielder. So why not?
 
If we have learned anything in the past two years of trying to fill in the gaps in our team, it's that domestic stats are unfortunately not credible for international selection.

Statistically speaking, someone like Iftikhar Ahmed deserves to be in the ODI team, but his ODI numbers don't reflect that. I do agree that he wasn't given a fair shot in the ODI format, which is something Pakistan will need to look into. It's a classic case where we drop one player from all formats when they don't perform in one.

But my point still stands, our domestic stats are over-rated where players with bog average techniques and no temperament can farm runs.

If we are to pick players for the middle order, we can no longer afford to be quantitative in our decision-making, because look where it has gotten us.

We need to take an approach of backing qualitatively better players for national selection. What I mean is that even if there's a guy averaging 40+ in domestic cricket, look for someone who has a better technique and a better ceiling and back him.

As for Fawad Alam, he's not even an option for ODI cricket. Bring back Haris Sohail to ODI cricket, and then be creative with the middle order in T20s where we are desperate for a good player.

What you’re suggesting is already happening, and it is literally the cause of the downfall
of Pakistan cricket. We are already “qualitatively” selecting “talent”. This qualitative approach means management are playing their favorites culminating into “liking”/“disliking” culture.
Pakistan should develop pathways for players. Only the most consistent Domestic batsmen need to be selected and then given consistent chances.

Sure the domestic standard is low, but the low standard is for every player, so the best should still rise to the top and be better than others on the low standard.
As for domestic stats being relevant, what about the example of Fawad Alam? Rizwan?
Haris Sohail? Babar? Fakhar? Their domestic stats were very good.
Haris has played 70+ FC games and that reflects in his game awareness.

Asif, Danish or Haider are not consistent performers as is reflected in their FC and List A stats. They were selected on 1 or 2 good tournament.
Pakistan should weigh FC stats more than T20 stats. Guys like Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel deserve a go in the MO based on the consistent performances in FC for the past 3-4 years.
 
What you’re suggesting is already happening, and it is literally the cause of the downfall
of Pakistan cricket. We are already “qualitatively” selecting “talent”. This qualitative approach means management are playing their favorites culminating into “liking”/“disliking” culture.
Pakistan should develop pathways for players. Only the most consistent Domestic batsmen need to be selected and then given consistent chances.

Sure the domestic standard is low, but the low standard is for every player, so the best should still rise to the top and be better than others on the low standard.
As for domestic stats being relevant, what about the example of Fawad Alam? Rizwan?
Haris Sohail? Babar? Fakhar? Their domestic stats were very good.
Haris has played 70+ FC games and that reflects in his game awareness.

Asif, Danish or Haider are not consistent performers as is reflected in their FC and List A stats. They were selected on 1 or 2 good tournament.
Pakistan should weigh FC stats more than T20 stats. Guys like Kamran Ghulam and Saud Shakeel deserve a go in the MO based on the consistent performances in FC for the past 3-4 years.

FC stats are surprisingly reliable given that not many players can boast a batting average above 45 in the system at the moment. Plus, some domestic performers actually outperform our national team players in the QEA Trophy.

List A and T20 stats are bloated in my opinion. A lot of the players we selected were those who did well in List A and T20 but failed at the international level.

The domestic T20 and List A systems are utterly garbage, but it doesn't mean that players good in FC fit into the T20 middle order.

Our problem is much larger than that, we need to fix the gap between the international stage and the domestic system. I won't speak about the obvious changes which should be made, but given that PSL franchises have money, I suggested an idea a couple of months back.

PCB could make a requirement for PSL Franchises to conduct their own trials for finding players in various regions of Pakistan. From these trials, the PSL teams must select two players who they think are the best for their own squads. However, to make it fair for the franchises, they do not have to play these players as they aren't in the emerging category. Rather, the PCB should then take these prodigies and develop them. It could be a good way to find more international quality cricketers and develop them.
 
Instead Iftikhar Ahmad should be brought back, he was unfairly dropped in the first place.
 
FC stats are surprisingly reliable given that not many players can boast a batting average above 45 in the system at the moment. Plus, some domestic performers actually outperform our national team players in the QEA Trophy.

List A and T20 stats are bloated in my opinion. A lot of the players we selected were those who did well in List A and T20 but failed at the international level.

The domestic T20 and List A systems are utterly garbage, but it doesn't mean that players good in FC fit into the T20 middle order.

Our problem is much larger than that, we need to fix the gap between the international stage and the domestic system. I won't speak about the obvious changes which should be made, but given that PSL franchises have money, I suggested an idea a couple of months back.

PCB could make a requirement for PSL Franchises to conduct their own trials for finding players in various regions of Pakistan. From these trials, the PSL teams must select two players who they think are the best for their own squads. However, to make it fair for the franchises, they do not have to play these players as they aren't in the emerging category. Rather, the PCB should then take these prodigies and develop them. It could be a good way to find more international quality cricketers and develop them.

I agree. But someone who has done well in T20 cricket over 5 years has more data. Bloated or not, it’s the best evidence you have, but use the data wisely. It’s the only method to madness. No one has an “eye for talent” lol

A little homework:
Assignment 1: Find 1 player in the history of cricket - anywhere in the world - whose list A average is substantially lower than his ODI average. Or a player whose FC average is substantially lower than his test cricket average. The numbers almost always match. When they don’t, Test < FC or ODI < List A.
Therefore, Domestic cricket will always tell you the ceiling of the player.

Assignment 2:
Look at the List A and FC records of the top 20 T20 player players in the ICC rankings in International cricket.
Can you find a single player with both FC and List A averages below 30? Every single player have amazing domestic records whether Pakistani, WI, Bangla, NZ, Aussies.
Warner, Finch, KL Rahul, Maxwell, Conway, Malan all have exceptional FC and List A record
 
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I agree. But someone who has done well in T20 cricket over 5 years has more data. Bloated or not, it’s the best evidence you have, but use the data wisely. It’s the only method to madness. No one has an “eye for talent” lol

A little homework:
Assignment 1: Find 1 player in the history of cricket - anywhere in the world - whose list A average is substantially lower than his ODI average. Or a player whose FC average is substantially lower than his test cricket average. The numbers almost always match. When they don’t, Test < FC or ODI < List A.
Therefore, Domestic cricket will always tell you the ceiling of the player.

Assignment 2:
Look at the List A and FC records of the top 20 T20 player players in the ICC rankings in International cricket.
Can you find a single player with both FC and List A averages below 30? Every single player have amazing domestic records whether Pakistani, WI, Bangla, NZ, Aussies.
Warner, Finch, KL Rahul, Maxwell, Conway, Malan all have exceptional FC and List A record

When teams that have good First Class systems introduce talent to the international stage, that talent is able to perform and adapt much better than Pakistani talent.

The major reason for that is the gap between international and domestic cricket.

Our system is simply not up to the standard.
 
He would do much better than Iftikhar Ahmed; Asif Ali; Danish Aziz; Hussain Talat and anyone else we have tried in the middle order. Only Haris Sohail could be considered a better option than Fawad Alam. His struggles with clearing the boundary are exaggerated. He is excellent at rotating strike and would win us many games batting at number 5. Not that anyone in this management team would ever select him so moot point.
 
He would do much better than Iftikhar Ahmed; Asif Ali; Danish Aziz; Hussain Talat and anyone else we have tried in the middle order. Only Haris Sohail could be considered a better option than Fawad Alam. His struggles with clearing the boundary are exaggerated. He is excellent at rotating strike and would win us many games batting at number 5. Not that anyone in this management team would ever select him so moot point.

Being a fan of Fawad, I think to best utilise him is to play him up the order and think 5 is too low in my view. However, I wouldn't want to break his rhythm in tests and so i would want him to concentrate solely on enhancing his test career, besides it's been a while since Fawad has played any t20 or indeed any list A cricket.

I would want Fawad to play tests for 7 years, and i think given that he's still fit then i don't see why he can't play for 7 years.
 
When teams that have good First Class systems introduce talent to the international stage, that talent is able to perform and adapt much better than Pakistani talent.

The major reason for that is the gap between international and domestic cricket.

Our system is simply not up to the standard.

Agreed. If a player can't succeed in a low domestic standard, how will the same player succeed at the higher international standard? Since the gap is bigger as your rightly pointed it, it further reinforces that Pakistan should look at the domestic data even more closely to ensure we are always picking the cream of the domestic talent to bridge that gap with internationals quality.

Assignment answers:
There are no successful T20 player in the international cricket today who couldn't even succeed in their FC and domestic List A cricket. This is also true for places like Pakistan/BGL where gap is bigger. Pakistan's best T20 Batsmen Hafeez, Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar all have exceptional domestic records.
T20 specialists like Conway, Maxwell, David Malan, Finch, Warner all have exceptional FC record.
 
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Fawad would do us very well in ODIs at 4/5. I think the t20 boat has sailed though
 
No he should not. He was brutally exposed the last time he played LO against a top team. He doesn’t have the shot range for LO cricket.
 
Definately good enough for our ODI middle order, and always has been. Fawad has his limitations, but it is not like those he is up against does not.
 
Agreed. If a player can't succeed in a low domestic standard, how will the same player succeed at the higher international standard? Since the gap is bigger as your rightly pointed it, it further reinforces that Pakistan should look at the domestic data even more closely to ensure we are always picking the cream of the domestic talent to bridge that gap with internationals quality.

Assignment answers:
There are no successful T20 player in the international cricket today who couldn't even succeed in their FC and domestic List A cricket. This is also true for places like Pakistan/BGL where gap is bigger. Pakistan's best T20 Batsmen Hafeez, Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar all have exceptional domestic records.
T20 specialists like Conway, Maxwell, David Malan, Finch, Warner all have exceptional FC record.

PCB needs to allocate resources and manage the revenue they gain from sponsorship deals and PSL and invest this into the domestic system, particularly the grassroots system.
 
Leave him to just Test cricket where he is doing just fine.

Let him do well in that format, no need to add him to the white-ball formats
 
Yes, cannot wait to see him score 20 (39) in the death overs yet again. His performance against Australia in the 2014 ODI series was a spectacle.
 
In Tests, he is averaging in the mid 30s post comeback including an average of 10 in England. He failed in New Zealand when it mattered and scored a baby hundred against South Africa before failing in the second Test.

He has not done as well as his fans think. He has been okay at best, and this is the exact same performance that made Shafiq a villainous figure for Pakistani fans for over a decade.
 
In Tests, he is averaging in the mid 30s post comeback including an average of 10 in England. He failed in New Zealand when it mattered and scored a baby hundred against South Africa before failing in the second Test.

He has not done as well as his fans think. He has been okay at best, and this is the exact same performance that made Shafiq a villainous figure for Pakistani fans for over a decade.

A baby hundred that got him man of the match.

Away you go and sling your hook elsewhere. You vouched for Nawaz and he’s been mince himself. Just goes to show what you know.
 
Nope. Shahzad as middle order batsman seems delicious prospect. I genuinely thing that move could propel him to the next level league of batsmen.

His issue was he would plays straight to the fielder in the circle in the power play. And then the dots would build pressure. If he gets to play more when field is out then this problem disappears and he can milk runs all day long.
 
Nope. Shahzad as middle order batsman seems delicious prospect. I genuinely thing that move could propel him to the next level league of batsmen.

His issue was he would plays straight to the fielder in the circle in the power play. And then the dots would build pressure. If he gets to play more when field is out then this problem disappears and he can milk runs all day long.

Shahzad is an opener, why do you keep vouching for him when he’s doing nothing of late? When’s the last time he scored anything significant.
 
Shahzad is an opener, why do you keep vouching for him when he’s doing nothing of late? When’s the last time he scored anything significant.

He has to be given chances to do something significant.

People see Shehzad as an opener. But his game could mean that he could be a great middle order batsman. He has everything to be successful as one. Pakistani selectors have to be brave.

If Sachin kept opening in tests and wasn’t played in the middle order then he may not have become one of the Atg
 
He has to be given chances to do something significant.

People see Shehzad as an opener. But his game could mean that he could be a great middle order batsman. He has everything to be successful as one. Pakistani selectors have to be brave.

If Sachin kept opening in tests and wasn’t played in the middle order then he may not have become one of the Atg

There’s lots of middle order batsmen out there, but if he performs in either of List A/t20/First class then he’ll inshAllah get a chance if he performs otherwise it’s a far cry for him to be back just now.
 
There’s lots of middle order batsmen out there, but if he performs in either of List A/t20/First class then he’ll inshAllah get a chance if he performs otherwise it’s a far cry for him to be back just now.

Yes but what to do about the lobby keeping him out. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] himself had talked about a lobby trying to keep out players Iike Rizwan and Shehzad
 
PCB needs to allocate resources and manage the revenue they gain from sponsorship deals and PSL and invest this into the domestic system, particularly the grassroots system.

free of cost solution is respecting Pak’s domestic system and rewarding proven performers in domestic. Bring Players when they are at their peak not too early not too late . It’s not perfect but it’s the only method to madness when it comes to selection. Successful systems are data-driven. No one has the crystal ball and no one can predict future stars. Hope they learn from mistakes of Naseem, Musa and Haider and countless folks before them
 
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A baby hundred that got him man of the match.

Away you go and sling your hook elsewhere. You vouched for Nawaz and he’s been mince himself. Just goes to show what you know.

I don’t care about man of the match awards. He should have converted that hundred into a big one. He is 35 years older with 12k FC runs and over 160+ matches. He is expected to score big at this stage of his career and not play like a rookie or like Asad Shafiq.

I vouched for Nawaz not because he is Jadeja 2.0 but because he is a good cricketer for our pathetic standards.

He has been treated like a second class citizen over the last 4 years because of that garbage golden boy Shadab.

Over the last two series, Nawaz has shown that he is a decent bowler and he has actually bowled better than Shadab has in recent times.

Both Imad and Nawaz should be in the squad. The problem was not picking Nawaz but picking him at the expense of Imad who is Pakistan’s best all-rounder.

I know too much, and I don’t need certifications from deluded and ignorant Pakistani fans.
 
I don’t care about man of the match awards. He should have converted that hundred into a big one. He is 35 years older with 12k FC runs and over 160+ matches. He is expected to score big at this stage of his career and not play like a rookie or like Asad Shafiq.

I vouched for Nawaz not because he is Jadeja 2.0 but because he is a good cricketer for our pathetic standards.

He has been treated like a second class citizen over the last 4 years because of that garbage golden boy Shadab.

Over the last two series, Nawaz has shown that he is a decent bowler and he has actually bowled better than Shadab has in recent times.

Both Imad and Nawaz should be in the squad. The problem was not picking Nawaz but picking him at the expense of Imad who is Pakistan’s best all-rounder.

I know too much, and I don’t need certifications from deluded and ignorant Pakistani fans.

Wow delusion of the highest order, man of the match awards matter. Scoring 100s matters and helping out the team when it matters also counts, his overall average thus far is 38 and he’s done fine, guys like you don’t know nothing about patience you expect the moons and stars straight away which is unrealistic and frankly far fetched.

The other thing about Fawad is the improvement series by series but you wouldn’t give anyone credit cause all you do is frankly criticise, he’s still a solid no. 5 batsman and its typical of a person like yourself to give someone a hard time after a failure but then shy away and downplay any success.

Nawaz was a disappointment just go look at those t20 scores with the bat, bowling wise he did fine but at the same time was expensive. Still a good pick but needs improvement with the bat.
 
free of cost solution is respecting PakÂ’s domestic system and rewarding proven performers in domestic. Bring Players when they are at their peak not too early not too late . ItÂ’s not perfect but itÂ’s the only method to madness when it comes to selection. Successful systems are data-driven. No one has the crystal ball and no one can predict future stars. Hope they learn from mistakes of Naseem, Musa and Haider and countless folks before them

Our management won't learn.

Misbah repeats the same cycle repeatedly:

Does well for a few series, gets hammered overseas, injects youth into the team because of exterior pressure, we do well for a few series, and the cycle continues.

There was no valid reason to debut Naseem and Musa in Australia.

Haider himself should be questioned for being given a debut.

Our test cap is cheaper than a 5rs Cocomo packet right now, literally, anyone can get it.

Yet, those who get it aren't performers, they are there by favouritism or by virtue of Misbah's own one-dimensional selective thinking.
 
Imam and Fawad in the top 5 of an ODI lineup is asking for trouble.

When Fawad played ODIs in his prime years he struggled to clear the infield.

I support his selection in Tests but we're better giving Saud Shakeel a chance in the ODI middle order.
 
I would rather try Hassan Ali in the middle order than fawad in odis.

For me Saud or Kamran Ghulam are a shoe-in for that middle order spot, love Fawad to bits but it makes no sense given he won’t be part of the future World Cup plans but in terms of red ball cricket he has a future yet.
 
I don’t care about man of the match awards. He should have converted that hundred into a big one. He is 35 years older with 12k FC runs and over 160+ matches. He is expected to score big at this stage of his career and not play like a rookie or like Asad Shafiq.

I vouched for Nawaz not because he is Jadeja 2.0 but because he is a good cricketer for our pathetic standards.

He has been treated like a second class citizen over the last 4 years because of that garbage golden boy Shadab.

Over the last two series, Nawaz has shown that he is a decent bowler and he has actually bowled better than Shadab has in recent times.

Both Imad and Nawaz should be in the squad. The problem was not picking Nawaz but picking him at the expense of Imad who is Pakistan’s best all-rounder.

I know too much, and I don’t need certifications from deluded and ignorant Pakistani fans.

On Fawad I actually agree he needs to start doing more than baby hundreds.

Selectors made a mistake comparing Nawaz (bowling allrounder) with Imad (batting allrounder). Yes we defo have a scope to play both.
 
Yes but what to do about the lobby keeping him out. [MENTION=9]Saj[/MENTION] himself had talked about a lobby trying to keep out players Iike Rizwan and Shehzad

The only lobby that has kept Shehzad out is Shehzad himself. Otherwise he would have been scoring double hundreds and triple hundreds in domestic cricket and knocking on the doors again. If he can play in the middle order than he needs to prove it in domestic cricket.

International cricket is no place for experiments.
 
On Fawad I actually agree he needs to start doing more than baby hundreds.

Selectors made a mistake comparing Nawaz (bowling allrounder) with Imad (batting allrounder). Yes we defo have a scope to play both.

How would you class the hundred against South Africa a “baby” hundred and that to under pressure when we looked like getting bungled out.
 
For me Saud or Kamran Ghulam are a shoe-in for that middle order spot, love Fawad to bits but it makes no sense given he won’t be part of the future World Cup plans but in terms of red ball cricket he has a future yet.

Exactly he warrants a place in the test side 100 percent but no chance in odis saud can make that his position for the next couple years and more I love saud he's a class act some of shots are stunning
 
How would you class the hundred against South Africa a “baby” hundred and that to under pressure when we looked like getting bungled out.
Not taking away anything from Fawad, he has scored 102 vs NZ and 109 vs SA since his comeback which is good. He really should have converted at least one of the two hundreds into a 150.

We dont need another Asad Shafiq or do we?
 
Not taking away anything from Fawad, he has scored 102 vs NZ and 109 vs SA since his comeback which is good. He really should have converted at least one of the two hundreds into a 150.

We dont need another Asad Shafiq or do we?

In games where Fawad scored 100, the rest of the team was on the ground upside down. Those were solid 100s vs 2 solid bowling attacks in very dire circumstances. Worth more than soft 150 runs any day
 
Wow delusion of the highest order, man of the match awards matter. Scoring 100s matters and helping out the team when it matters also counts, his overall average thus far is 38 and he’s done fine, guys like you don’t know nothing about patience you expect the moons and stars straight away which is unrealistic and frankly far fetched.

The other thing about Fawad is the improvement series by series but you wouldn’t give anyone credit cause all you do is frankly criticise, he’s still a solid no. 5 batsman and its typical of a person like yourself to give someone a hard time after a failure but then shy away and downplay any success.

Nawaz was a disappointment just go look at those t20 scores with the bat, bowling wise he did fine but at the same time was expensive. Still a good pick but needs improvement with the bat.

Fawad is 35, not 25. There is no time to be patient and wait for improvement, because he will be done in 2-3 years anyway.

Fawad is not an investment; he is a ready made product, so you cannot extend him the same leniency that you would to a young player.

When Australia selected Adam Voges in 2015 at the age of 35, he averaged 62 after 20 Tests which showed the experience that he gained in Sheffield cricket all those years.

That is what Australia expected from him too - if Voges was going to average in the 30s, Australia would have selected a young batsman.

The reason why they selected him was because their batting was struggling and they brought a veteran FC performer to perform like a seasoned Test player from the word go.

With the way Fawad has batted over the 3 series so far, he has not looked like someone who has 32 hundreds and 12,000 FC runs at one of the highest FC averages in history of cricket.

He has looked like a young, inexperienced batsman with good potential for Test cricket.

The way everyone was raving about Fawad Alam, I thought he will immediately fill the shoes of someone like Younis Khan and look like a world class Test batsman from the word go and start hitting daddy hundreds and double-hundreds.

After all, that is what you would expect from a 35 year old with 12,000 FC runs at one of the highest averages in history.

If you do not have that expectation, and if you do not believe that he is one of the best Test batsmen in the world who has been ignored for whatever reasons, than what is the worth of his FC record?

If someone like Saud Shakeel or Kamran Ghulam would have performed the way Fawad has so far, it would bode well for the future. However, his performances have not been up to the mark for a veteran like him.

He averaged 10 in England, he failed in the first innings in the first Test in New Zealand and then in the second innings, he immediately got out after his hundred and failed to save the game when he had the opportunity to do so.

He completely failed in the second Test.

Against South Africa, he got out for 102 on his home ground of NSK when he had the opportunity to score a daddy hundred like Younis used to do after getting set and completely kill South Africa in the first innings.

In the second Test in Rawalpindi in relatively bowling friendlier in conditions, he failed in both innings.

Has he looked like someone with one of the highest FC averages in history with 12,000+ runs under his belt?

No he has not from any angle, and this simply shows the gap between our FC and Test cricket.

A 56 averaging batsman in Pakistan FC is a 35-40 averaging batsman against quality attacks in Test cricket.

I am sure Fawad will pretend to be the second coming of Younis and an elite player against bowling attacks of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan etc., but we saw enough against England, New Zealand and South Africa that he is not a 50+ averaging player against quality attacks, and this is where the gap between the quality of Pakistan FC cricket and Test cricket rears its ugly head.

Fawad should not even be playing in Zimbabwe. Minnow-bashing at this stage of his career does nothing for the team and only serves to boost his stats.

This series should have gone to the young and successful FC batsmen like Ghulam and Shakeel so that they could get a feel for Test cricket and combat their nerves.

Getting eased into Test cricket against a Pakistan domestic level attack like Zimbabwe could do a lot of good for the confidence of young Test batsmen.

In India, young batsmen are capable of scoring 300s against Anderson and Broad in their second Tests and score 200s against Rabada and Maharaj in their first series, but in Pakistan, we are hesitant to test a young FC batsman against a team like Zimbabwe.

India won’t even play Tests with Zimbabwe, but even if they do, will Kohli, Pujara and Rohit play?

Certainly not - so why are Azhar, Babar and Fawad playing in the Zimbabwe series? What does Pakistan cricket gain from it and learn from it? Absolutely nothing - it is only an opportunity for them to boost their stats.

Imam is one of the finest young batsmen in the country in terms of temperament and concentration to spend time at the crease.

M Wasim said he is not ready for Test cricket. So why not give him the chance to play against Zimbabwe so that he can take a leap towards being ready?

Why not give him the chance to score a 150 or a 200 or a 250 or a 300 against Zimbabwe so that he gets a confidence boost and also learns how it feels to bat for 5-6 sessions in a Test match and score big?
 
Lol what a hilarious suggestion.

Fawad Alam was well known to be unable to clear the inner circle as a young man, what makes you think he will muscle it out of the park at the age of 36??

May be dreamt of Fawad playing an innings like Yuvraj Singh.
 
Not taking away anything from Fawad, he has scored 102 vs NZ and 109 vs SA since his comeback which is good. He really should have converted at least one of the two hundreds into a 150.

We dont need another Asad Shafiq or do we?

It's good to have high expectations, however again both are very potent bowling attacks and i think it's the lack of Pakistan playing A tours which hasn't helped our first class stars to perform in away conditions plus being fair to Fawad he's not had any Mickey Mouse tours since his comeback i.e. England, NZ and SA. Scoring a 100 is a massive achievement, let me ask you this the greatest batting attack in India when they toured NZ just before Pakistan who many of their lads scored a 100? What was the batting average of all of them in comparison to Fawad that series who averaged 32 which although not great but not bad either.
 
Fawad is 35, not 25. There is no time to be patient and wait for improvement, because he will be done in 2-3 years anyway.

Fawad is not an investment; he is a ready made product, so you cannot extend him the same leniency that you would to a young player.

When Australia selected Adam Voges in 2015 at the age of 35, he averaged 62 after 20 Tests which showed the experience that he gained in Sheffield cricket all those years.

That is what Australia expected from him too - if Voges was going to average in the 30s, Australia would have selected a young batsman.

The reason why they selected him was because their batting was struggling and they brought a veteran FC performer to perform like a seasoned Test player from the word go.

With the way Fawad has batted over the 3 series so far, he has not looked like someone who has 32 hundreds and 12,000 FC runs at one of the highest FC averages in history of cricket.

He has looked like a young, inexperienced batsman with good potential for Test cricket.

The way everyone was raving about Fawad Alam, I thought he will immediately fill the shoes of someone like Younis Khan and look like a world class Test batsman from the word go and start hitting daddy hundreds and double-hundreds.

After all, that is what you would expect from a 35 year old with 12,000 FC runs at one of the highest averages in history.

If you do not have that expectation, and if you do not believe that he is one of the best Test batsmen in the world who has been ignored for whatever reasons, than what is the worth of his FC record?

If someone like Saud Shakeel or Kamran Ghulam would have performed the way Fawad has so far, it would bode well for the future. However, his performances have not been up to the mark for a veteran like him.

He averaged 10 in England, he failed in the first innings in the first Test in New Zealand and then in the second innings, he immediately got out after his hundred and failed to save the game when he had the opportunity to do so.

He completely failed in the second Test.

Against South Africa, he got out for 102 on his home ground of NSK when he had the opportunity to score a daddy hundred like Younis used to do after getting set and completely kill South Africa in the first innings.

In the second Test in Rawalpindi in relatively bowling friendlier in conditions, he failed in both innings.

Has he looked like someone with one of the highest FC averages in history with 12,000+ runs under his belt?

No he has not from any angle, and this simply shows the gap between our FC and Test cricket.

A 56 averaging batsman in Pakistan FC is a 35-40 averaging batsman against quality attacks in Test cricket.

I am sure Fawad will pretend to be the second coming of Younis and an elite player against bowling attacks of Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Afghanistan etc., but we saw enough against England, New Zealand and South Africa that he is not a 50+ averaging player against quality attacks, and this is where the gap between the quality of Pakistan FC cricket and Test cricket rears its ugly head.

Fawad should not even be playing in Zimbabwe. Minnow-bashing at this stage of his career does nothing for the team and only serves to boost his stats.

This series should have gone to the young and successful FC batsmen like Ghulam and Shakeel so that they could get a feel for Test cricket and combat their nerves.

Getting eased into Test cricket against a Pakistan domestic level attack like Zimbabwe could do a lot of good for the confidence of young Test batsmen.

In India, young batsmen are capable of scoring 300s against Anderson and Broad in their second Tests and score 200s against Rabada and Maharaj in their first series, but in Pakistan, we are hesitant to test a young FC batsman against a team like Zimbabwe.

India won’t even play Tests with Zimbabwe, but even if they do, will Kohli, Pujara and Rohit play?

Certainly not - so why are Azhar, Babar and Fawad playing in the Zimbabwe series? What does Pakistan cricket gain from it and learn from it? Absolutely nothing - it is only an opportunity for them to boost their stats.

Imam is one of the finest young batsmen in the country in terms of temperament and concentration to spend time at the crease.

M Wasim said he is not ready for Test cricket. So why not give him the chance to play against Zimbabwe so that he can take a leap towards being ready?

Why not give him the chance to score a 150 or a 200 or a 250 or a 300 against Zimbabwe so that he gets a confidence boost and also learns how it feels to bat for 5-6 sessions in a Test match and score big?

First of all patience is what it's all about, and without patience you can never have a settled XI. If we keep dropping players and bringing in un-needed changes then we'll never do well. Fawad unlike some of the youngsters has snatched his chances whenever he can.

There is a big difference in our domestic circuit and Australia's it's miles apart and we keep saying that Pakistan should be arranging A tours, drop in pitches and for Pakistan players to be encouraged to play County Cricket when possible to better prepare themselves. Looking at Voges stats are certainly great with 2 big double centuries, however some of the opponents he's faced were back to back which gives you familiarity of the opponent i.e. NZ and WI both of which at the time had ok bowling attacks and nothing really great, if we compare the bowling attack of NZ today to back in 2015 it's miles apart and the most lethal bowling attack i've certainly seen in a while. The other thing about Voges is that i'm sure i spotted his name on a few A tours and county cricket which again goes to show that Pakistan's lack of preparing A tours for us, but to end off with him he failed on spinning tracks so it's a cheques and balance situation you can't have someone great in both Sub continent and SENA conditions. The other thing is Australia plays much more test cricket compared to us.

You need to look at series by series and you can see that Fawad is improving series by series i.e. 10 against England, 32 against NZ and then 56 against SA, that's a continuous upward trend and he's due a large innings as well in my view inshAllah. If Fawad wasn't improving then that would be another point and FYI he got Pakistan out of sticky situations in both tests against South Africa.

Scoring 100s nevertheless is a massive achievement whether that be 100, 200 or 250 and a 100 should never be seen as a "baby" hundred ever.

If the Indian players are so great can you enlighten me what they did against NZ recently in tests in NZ and how many hundreds did their players score? and again should more not be expected of a nation that plays much more cricket compared to Pakistan in a year? Just take the time to compare their test schedule to ours.

The likes of Fawad and Azhar should certainly be playing test cricket whenever they get their hand on it as Pakistan plays so little test cricket and inactivity can certainly bring about rust (the next tests aren't until October).

Finishing with your point i've highlighted in bold about Imam, he's had 21 innings to prove himself and he's done nothing eye catching, only 3 fifties which is the least bit impressive and no hundreds in sight not even against Ireland. On what basis should he return when he's done nothing in test cricket and looking at his first class record he's about the same level as Imran Butt averaging 35. You can't get blinded by ODI performances and think they'll get replicated in test cricket. He was a rightful drop and nobody can really argue about his exclusion, he certainly isn't a finished product for tests which M. Wasim rightfully pointed out in my view.
 
Never should have been dropped from the ODI side both times. The 2nd comeback especially he came back and scored at a higher average and SR and got dropped. The guys in the middle order we replaced him with bringing back Younis, Malik, Assad etc were worse. He was more than good enough to get into that line up at the time. He wasn’t even that much slower than the rest, when he scored big he generally scored at a decently high SR. His SR was usually a problem with low scores, where a lot of the time Pakistan was on a collapse and he was trying to salvage it. He also scored against tougher teams like in Australia, England etc.

He doesn’t fit the team anymore, we actually have decent top order batsmen in imam, Rizwan, Babar, Fakhar (even haris too) What we need are faster scoring middle order batsmen even at the sacrifice of average. Plus probably better to play someone younger who can play odis for a decade more.
 
Never should have been dropped from the ODI side both times. The 2nd comeback especially he came back and scored at a higher average and SR and got dropped. The guys in the middle order we replaced him with bringing back Younis, Malik, Assad etc were worse. He was more than good enough to get into that line up at the time. He wasn’t even that much slower than the rest, when he scored big he generally scored at a decently high SR. His SR was usually a problem with low scores, where a lot of the time Pakistan was on a collapse and he was trying to salvage it. He also scored against tougher teams like in Australia, England etc.

He doesn’t fit the team anymore, we actually have decent top order batsmen in imam, Rizwan, Babar, Fakhar (even haris too) What we need are faster scoring middle order batsmen even at the sacrifice of average. Plus probably better to play someone younger who can play odis for a decade more.

Yep, totally agree with your points. For me my ideal candidates barring Haris are Saud Shakeel or Kamran Ghulam to take over that middle over anchor role both very capable and both in great touch otherwise i would also settle for Hammad Azam or even Agha Salman.
 
Yep, totally agree with your points. For me my ideal candidates barring Haris are Saud Shakeel or Kamran Ghulam to take over that middle over anchor role both very capable and both in great touch otherwise i would also settle for Hammad Azam or even Agha Salman.

I like that you mention options for ODIs who do well in FC not PSL.
 
Fawad Alam Should Be Playing ODI Cricket

Pakistan at the moment is not a very good cricket team. They scraped through with a draw against a West Indies Team that apart for some good young fast bowlers are pretty bad. None of their top 7 batsman would ever play for another professional test side. That said, there are two shining lights for Pakistan. The first being Shaheen Shah Afridi. This was arguably Shaheen Shah Afridi's first signature performance. Granted the West Indies lineup is awful, but Afridi was relentless in his approach something we haven't seen from him in the past. The second player was Fawad Alam. Alam once again stood up under pressure to carry Pakistan's innings without too much help around him. This brings me to my next point.

Fawad Alam should be playing ODI Cricket for Pakistan. The natural reaction to this statement will be one of opposition. Mainly look at his SR. That's a fair point, but we shouldn't forget that if SR was an obstacle that would disqualify many players. Fawad Alam brings something really important to the Pakistan Team, he brings stability. He will bring stability to a fragile middle order. He will also play the anchor allowing other players to play with more freedom. Finally, he remains a good fielder, a good runner between the wickets, and a reliable 6th Bowling Option if needed.
 
No.

Fawad has been wrongly excluded from the Test side for over 10 years, and the PCB needs to give a proper justification for this.

However, he doesn't fit in the ODI XI.

Firstly, he is an accumulator, and we already have plenty of them.

Secondly, he doesn't fit anywhere in the batting line up. Fakhar (1) and Imam (2) are not going anywhere. Babar (3) and Rizwan (4) are the first names on the team sheet as they have been our best batsmen in recent times.

These 4 positions are locked and batsmen who come below need to have the capacity of hitting the ball out of the park anytime.

And, that is the problem with Fawad. He is a good accumulator, just like Imam, Babar and Rizwan, but, not someone you could rely on to hit sixes in the last 5-6 overs.

If he wants to bat at 5, he can't bat the way he actually does, that would just damage the team's final score.

He should keep taking every chance he gets in the Test side from now on, and who knows, he might turn out to be a late bloomer, and have that late career purple patch in Tests, just like Younis and Misbah had.
 
I agree, Nauman Ali should come in for Shadab Khan and Mohammad Abbas should be our new ball bowler in both ODI’s and T20’s.

Asad Shafiq played well in the KPL so I’d bring him in and play him at 5.

My ODI squad would look like this -

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Nauman Ali
Hassan Ali
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Abbas.
 
Pakistan at the moment is not a very good cricket team. They scraped through with a draw against a West Indies Team that apart for some good young fast bowlers are pretty bad. None of their top 7 batsman would ever play for another professional test side. That said, there are two shining lights for Pakistan. The first being Shaheen Shah Afridi. This was arguably Shaheen Shah Afridi's first signature performance. Granted the West Indies lineup is awful, but Afridi was relentless in his approach something we haven't seen from him in the past. The second player was Fawad Alam. Alam once again stood up under pressure to carry Pakistan's innings without too much help around him. This brings me to my next point.

Fawad Alam should be playing ODI Cricket for Pakistan. The natural reaction to this statement will be one of opposition. Mainly look at his SR. That's a fair point, but we shouldn't forget that if SR was an obstacle that would disqualify many players. Fawad Alam brings something really important to the Pakistan Team, he brings stability. He will bring stability to a fragile middle order. He will also play the anchor allowing other players to play with more freedom. Finally, he remains a good fielder, a good runner between the wickets, and a reliable 6th Bowling Option if needed.

You make all very valid points.

First of all everyone here knows that i'm a big Fawad Alam supporter and I'm happy with how he's performed this year and the brilliant knock he played against WI.

However, with that said i have to bring up age and feel maybe his time has passed for ODI cricket but he remains in my eyes an integral part of the test team and have to say that test cricket has been his preferred format as oppose to ODI cricket. Sometimes you get players who are specialist for certain formats but again have to blame PCB for not having him play more List A cricket as well as t20.

Sometimes too much cricket for someone on the older side can be a downfall and the last thing i wanna see is him sustaining an injury like Haris Sohail and then his career ultimately coming to a halt (but i don't see that happening as he's got far more superior fitness than the likes of Haris). As a fan i wish to see him play test cricket till the ripe old age of 42 and feel with his fitness that's achievable.

I nominate Kamran Ghulam or Kashif Ali for our middle order cricket being it ODI or t20.
 
I agree, Nauman Ali should come in for Shadab Khan and Mohammad Abbas should be our new ball bowler in both ODI’s and T20’s.

Asad Shafiq played well in the KPL so I’d bring him in and play him at 5.

My ODI squad would look like this -

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Nauman Ali
Hassan Ali
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Abbas.

Sorry bro but KPL was a joke, it was just a domestic tournament like the National t20 Pakistan has.

Asad Shafiq was pretty poor in limited overs cricket.
 
i have been the biggest fawad supporter since about 2005 when he starred in u-19 and since then was treated unfairly. but, his game is just not suited to what we need at ODI level....you need guys who can score at 120 and can accelerate. Fawad would have been a test match 10k level bat....but like younis, he's just not a modern day ODI player. long may his centuries in test series continue!
 
I agree, Nauman Ali should come in for Shadab Khan and Mohammad Abbas should be our new ball bowler in both ODI’s and T20’s.

Asad Shafiq played well in the KPL so I’d bring him in and play him at 5.

My ODI squad would look like this -

Sharjeel Khan
Fakhar Zaman
Babar Azam
Mohammad Rizwan
Asad Shafiq
Fawad Alam
Nauman Ali
Hassan Ali
Haris Rauf
Shaheen Afridi
Mohammad Abbas.

Very poor team.
 
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