Should India-Pakistan-Bangladesh-Afghanistan sign a minority exchange program?

[Bhaijaan]

A program which will allow Indian muslims to go and settle in neighbouring muslim countries and vice versa allow hindus stuck there to be back home in India.

A friend of mine has suggested this idea. Is it worth pondering

 

[Ronaldo7]

Don't think we can sustain having an extra 200 million people in our country so no.

 

[Mesozoic]

And what makes you think that all the Muslims will come to Pakistan ?

Regarding the OP -

No. It'll be a bad idea and it'll only result in gruesome violence of a higher magnitude than during the partition.

 

[MenInG]

Why not remove borders and allow freedom of movement for all?

Basically this will give free ride to Modi and his fascist colleagues to throw Muslims out using this agreement.

 

[emranabbas]

No not a great idea. Security situation is getting better we can't risk it with people coming from across the border from India/Afghanistan.
However I don't mind people from Bangladesh.

We already allowed Afghanis in the past and they completely ruined our country.

 

[Hermoine Green]

And what makes you think that all the Muslims will come to Pakistan ?

Regarding the OP -

No. It'll be a bad idea and it'll only result in gruesome violence of a higher magnitude than during the partition.

And vice versa.

 

[warcry]

and why should we engage in any sort of dialogue with them?
talking to them on any level is a waste of time.

 

[rockyboy2018]

They missed the boat in 1947. Unfortunately, they were of the opinion that this two nation theory was fake. You will get what you pay for. It was your grandparents' decision to stay back in India. I mean, Pakistan has got nothing to do with what goes on inside Afghanistan, India or Bangladesh.

Infact, If It were into my hands, I would make Kashmir as a separate country. Both Occupied and non-occupied parts of Kashmir should be a separate country. The world will still be operatimg as usual. For example, there was another country in the name of Bangladesh.

Atleast this way both India and Pakistan would be spending money on uplifting the standards of their average citizen in their respective country instead of wasting money on buying jets and building missiles. Resources will be better utlilized if the issue of kashmir is resolved for good.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I would not want Indian Muslims coming to Pakistan. They sat and watched while Kashmiris were tortured, raped and murdered. Now it's their turn under Fascist Hindu rule to suffer.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Why not remove borders and allow freedom of movement for all?

Basically this will give free ride to Modi and his fascist colleagues to throw Muslims out using this agreement.

People who are proposing this are claiming thag with this masterstroke, all minorities will become part of majority.

It will be one step in the direction of a minority less world.

It is a fact that minorities in sub continent are treated as second class citizens. As a human it's just wrong. We must all be treated as first class citizens.

 

[Bhaijaan]

They missed the boat in 1947. Unfortunately, they were of the opinion that this two nation theory was fake. You will get what you pay for. It was your grandparents' decision to stay back in India. I mean, Pakistan has got nothing to do with what goes on inside Afghanistan, India or Bangladesh.

It is for all for a those kissed the boat in 1947.

While we may claim many of them chose to stay where they were, fact is partition happened under a lot of fear and panic and many people were not willing to risk their lives.

Partition was not a smooth and well managed process. It was a mess, a chaos, a disaster.

Let us give dignity to minorities.

Let hindus like freely in India and let muslims live freely in muslim countries

 

[andy0204]

It will create more chaos.

 

[Bhaijaan]

As for some valid concerns, let us make sure that Pakistan will not be the only country who will take in the entire Indian muslim population.

Afghanistan, Bangladesh have to take in muslims as per proportion of their size.

As for India, it must take the entire hindu population.

Also this entire process could take 10 years to complete and further 10 years must be devoted to successfully integrate the refugees in their new home and into the economy.

 

[Hornbill]

I don't think majority of Indian muslims will move to any of the neighbouring countries

 

[CricketCartoons]

Will be happy to see entire bollywood move over to Pakistan, so that Pakistani awaam gets first hand experience of quality cinema and music. No exchange needed.

 

[Hermoine Green]

A program which will allow Indian muslims to go and settle in neighbouring muslim countries and vice versa allow hindus stuck there to be back home in India.

A friend of mine has suggested this idea. Is it worth pondering

We are already having around 1.4M refugees, the 2nd highest in the world. So i dont think we can accommodate more.

 

[Hermoine Green]

Will be happy to see entire bollywood move over to Pakistan, so that Pakistani awaam gets first hand experience of quality cinema and music. No exchange needed.

Thanks for such generous offer, but we cant tolerate such torture

 

[Bhaijaan]

We are already having around 1.4M refugees, the 2nd highest in the world. So i dont think we can accommodate more.

Under this program which will go hand in hand with achievement of peace in the region, all Afghan and Bangladeshi Muslim refugees will be happily rehabilitated in their home land.

Second phase would be to decide the fate of Indian muslims who are stateless in India and require safe refuge. All 3 muslim nations surrounding India would have to take in muslim population proportional to their size.

100% hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs must be rehabilitated back in India.

After 10 years of successful rehabilitation program, Punjab shall be given indendence so that Sikhs can get rid of the minority tag.

For Budhist, GOI must allocate land so they can establish a Buddhist country. If possible Sri Lanka, Myanmar and Tibet can also support.

 

[emranabbas]

Will be happy to see entire bollywood move over to Pakistan, so that Pakistani awaam gets first hand experience of quality cinema and music. No exchange needed.

I don't if you know much about Pakistani cinema but it's well ahead of Bollywood in recent times may not be popular as bollywood but in terms of quality is it's well ahead.

As far as music goes it's always been ahead.

 

[Mesozoic]

I don't if you know much about Pakistani cinema but it's well ahead of Bollywood in recent times may not be popular as bollywood but in terms of quality is it's well ahead.

As far as music goes it's always been ahead.

Really ?

Can you suggest me a few good ones in the recent times ? I mean the movies.

 

[emranabbas]

Really ?

Can you suggest me a few good ones in the recent times ? I mean the movies.

https://youtu.be/U71A8kn_h64

I recommend you watch this 1
You will enjoy it

 

[jnaveen1980]

REligion is not related to blood. You could be a muslim today. CHristian tomorrow. Hindu day after. Atheist next day. As long as people keep in mind it is just the faith that differs nothing else, things will be smoother. You could stay where you stay now.

 

[CricketCartoons]

https://youtu.be/U71A8kn_h64

I recommend you watch this 1
You will enjoy it

Cheap imitation of bollywood. I thought it would be a serious movie on a serious topic, but disappointed when it showed the couple romancing on a beach in thailand, with the cliched female running into the spread arms of the male..her hair bouncing in slow mo. You really need to be exposed to quality cinema.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Cheap imitation of bollywood. I thought it would be a serious movie on a serious topic, but disappointed when it showed the couple romancing on a beach in thailand, with the cliched female running into the spread arms of the male..her hair bouncing in slow mo. You really need to be exposed to quality cinema.

So you agree Bollywood is cliche?

Well, at least we're getting somewhere.

 

[CricketCartoons]

So you agree Bollywood is cliche?

Well, at least we're getting somewhere.

I only agree that the movie which was shared as an example of great pakistani cinema copies what is considered cliched in bollywood.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I only agree that the movie which was shared as an example of great pakistani cinema copies what is considered cliched in bollywood.

The example was a flawed one.
Look up other top rated pakistani movies, this movie doesn't even have any famous actors so can't be used as an example.

Also, we're good at making serial shows which India is frankly quite poor at.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The example was a flawed one.
Look up other top rated pakistani movies, this movie doesn't even have any famous actors so can't be used as an example.

Also, we're good at making serial shows which India is frankly quite poor at.

tell that to the poster who gave the example.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Why not remove borders and allow freedom of movement for all?

I suggested this in a previous thread. Only first world countries have earned the right to draw borders barring undesirable immigrants, the subcontinent is still a long way from that stature.

I say this with a spirit of generosity as Pakistan has beautiful cities compared to India, and with influx of immigrants, they would surely suffer a degradation of quality of life in the short term, but perhaps with the dynamism of multiculturalism, it would pay off in the long run.

 

[Ronaldo7]

I suggested this in a previous thread. Only first world countries have earned the right to draw borders barring undesirable immigrants, the subcontinent is still a long way from that stature.

I say this with a spirit of generosity as Pakistan has beautiful cities compared to India, and with influx of immigrants, they would surely suffer a degradation of quality of life in the short term, but perhaps with the dynamism of multiculturalism, it would pay off in the long run.

We don't need more Afghan terrorists coming into our country.

FATA isn't as bad as it was in 2009/10 and we want to keep it that way.

 

[Redchilly007]

The suggestion is not bad. It will be an attempt to correct the mistake of Gandhi and Nehru led Congress to let Muslims stay in India despite them voting for Pakistan. They also abandoned non muslims in Pakistan despite them voting against creation of a Muslim nation.

I have serious doubt though that any Muslim neighbor country will be generous enough to accept them. It's a completely different game from crying over "atrocities" done on Muslims in India but when it will come to giving shelter to them no one will be there.

 

[Ronaldo7]

The suggestion is not bad. It will be an attempt to correct the mistake of Gandhi and Nehru led Congress to let Muslims stay in India despite them voting for Pakistan. They also abandoned non muslims in Pakistan despite them voting against creation of a Muslim nation.

I have serious doubt though that any Muslim neighbor country will be generous enough to accept them. It's a completely different game from crying over "atrocities" done on Muslims in India but when it will come to giving shelter to them no one will be there.

We've been hosted over 4 million afghan refugees since forever.

So it's unsustainable for us.

What's your excuse?

 

[Redchilly007]

We've been hosted over 4 million afghan refugees since forever.

So it's unsustainable for us.

What's your excuse?

CAA is the step in the direction of providing indian citizenship to non muslim refugees from Afghanistan, Pakistan and Bangladesh.
India is trying to correct atleast one mistake. Now it is upto neighborhood countries if they would be interested in doing complete exchange of minorities.

 

[MenInG]

The suggestion is not bad. It will be an attempt to correct the mistake of Gandhi and Nehru led Congress to let Muslims stay in India despite them voting for Pakistan. They also abandoned non muslims in Pakistan despite them voting against creation of a Muslim nation.

I have serious doubt though that any Muslim neighbor country will be generous enough to accept them. It's a completely different game from crying over "atrocities" done on Muslims in India but when it will come to giving shelter to them no one will be there.

Good we can hear such voices from India - so the reality of this talk about Indian Muslims being part of India is now clear.

 

[Ronaldo7]

We've been hosted over 4 million afghan refugees since forever.

So it's unsustainable for us.

What's your excuse?

Hosting*

 

[Mesozoic]

https://youtu.be/U71A8kn_h64

I recommend you watch this 1
You will enjoy it

That looks like a 2000s Bhojpuri movie.

 

[troodon]

No Indian Muslim will be willing to go to Pak or Bangla or Afg.

Even illegal Bangladeshis don’t want to go back to Bangladesh.

India is still the safest country for Muslims in subcontinent.

 

[troodon]

We've been hosted over 4 million afghan refugees since forever.

So it's unsustainable for us.

What's your excuse?

You would not host if Afghanistan refugees are not Muslims.

Pak would not host thousands of non-Muslims in their country.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

No Indian Muslim will be willing to go to Pak or Bangla or Afg.

Even illegal Bangladeshis don’t want to go back to Bangladesh.

India is still the safest country for Muslims in subcontinent.

Are you trolling? Ok, I take the bait.

I guess Kashmiris are feeling pretty safe with hundred of thousands of armed soldiers continuously harassing and killing them.

 

[troodon]

Are you trolling? Ok, I take the bait.

I guess Kashmiris are feeling pretty safe with hundred of thousands of armed soldiers continuously harassing and killing them.

Kashmiris want to be with Pak as they do not want Kafir Hindus to rule over them.

The Muslims from rest of India are not queuing up to go to Pakistan or Bangladesh.

Heck even illegal Bangladeshis in India don’t want to leave India after all the drama that happened in the past 1 month.

 

[Ronaldo7]

You would not host if Afghanistan refugees are not Muslims.

Pak would not host thousands of non-Muslims in their country.

That's just your opinion not a fact

 

[ReverseHit]

Yes! Yes! Yes! For years I've been in favor of allowing Muslims from India to migrate to Pakistan/Bangladesh and Hindus/Sikhs/any non-Muslim from Pakistan/Bangladesh/Afghanistan to migrate to India. This doesn't have to be antagonistic, but rather should be carried out from a humane perspective.

Why should the current generations continue to pay for the choices their fathers/grandfathers made? Why should we force a Muslim who lives in India due to accident of birth to continue living in India, if he/she would rather live in an Islamic state? Maybe their grandfather wanted to live in a secular state but they don't, maybe the elders didn't get a chance to migrate to Pakistan - there could be so many reasons.

Same goes for the Hindus/Sikhs - why should the current generation pay for the choices their elders made because they were misled by Jinnah's speech 70 years ago?

I believe up until the 60s we had people moving to India/Pakistan. We should formalize such migrations - it will actually be in the spirit of the Partition!

 

[uberkoen]

What a disaster that would be. It would never work.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yes! Yes! Yes! For years I've been in favor of allowing Muslims from India to migrate to Pakistan/Bangladesh and Hindus/Sikhs/any non-Muslim from Pakistan/Bangladesh/Afghanistan to migrate to India. This doesn't have to be antagonistic, but rather should be carried out from a humane perspective.

Why should the current generations continue to pay for the choices their fathers/grandfathers made? Why should we force a Muslim who lives in India due to accident of birth to continue living in India, if he/she would rather live in an Islamic state? Maybe their grandfather wanted to live in a secular state but they don't, maybe the elders didn't get a chance to migrate to Pakistan - there could be so many reasons.

Same goes for the Hindus/Sikhs - why should the current generation pay for the choices their elders made because they were misled by Jinnah's speech 70 years ago?

I believe up until the 60s we had people moving to India/Pakistan. We should formalize such migrations - it will actually be in the spirit of the Partition!

Imagine reading this if you are an Indian Muslim. No amount of fake solidarity with terms like sister or brother can mask the true sentiments of Modi supporters.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Imagine reading this if you are an Indian Muslim. No amount of fake solidarity with terms like sister or brother can mask the true sentiments of Modi supporters.

Muslims in India libe as second class citizens bro. There is no denying that fact and the pace at which we are turning fascists, future is very gloomy for muslims in India.

Rather than being ethnically cleansed over decades it is better if they are rehabilitated in neighbouring Islamic nations.

 

[andy0204]

Muslims in India libe as second class citizens bro. There is no denying that fact and the pace at which we are turning fascists, future is very gloomy for muslims in India.

Rather than being ethnically cleansed over decades it is better if they are rehabilitated in neighbouring Islamic nations.

Do you want Partition 2.0?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Muslims in India libe as second class citizens bro. There is no denying that fact and the pace at which we are turning fascists, future is very gloomy for muslims in India.

Rather than being ethnically cleansed over decades it is better if they are rehabilitated in neighbouring Islamic nations.

You may be right, although I find that quite sad from an outsider's point of view, I always imagined India as a fairly tolerant society. Anyway, for Muslim countries to absorb a population the size of Pakistan, we would probably need to see those areas which were partitioned ceded to bordering countries so they could accomodate them. So Bengal, Punjab and Kashmir part of India could become part of Bangladesh and Pakistan as whole states like they were pre-partition, and we could settle the Muslims of India in those regions. This would also in one stroke, rid India of the immigrant problem in Bengal so is a win-win for both sides.

 

[PakLFC]

Pakistani non Muslim's are our own people who must remain put. India and Bangladesh can do whatever they want.