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Should IPL 2021 be Postponed Amid Rising Coronavirus Cases in India?

Should IPL 2021 be Postponed Amid Rising Coronavirus Cases in India?


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The reality is that most of the respective Boards would have got their players out of a country badly affected by Covid-19 a long time ago. But because it's the BCCI and the IPL, they are reluctant to do that as in the long run it might hurt their pockets.

If this was Pakistan and the PSL none of these foreign players would still be playing in the tournament.

I am very surprised that the tournament is still being played.

Money talks, these kind of things like walking out or abandoning the league at a time of crisis will be remembered when things get better. People don’t want to be cutoff, that’s why cricket Australia for example distanced themselves let the players make their minds up, ECB has also been surprisingly quite. guaranteed if this was any other league boards would have recalled their players ASAP.
 
I think players like Cummins, Smith, Warner and Maxwell have too much character and courage to turn tail and run away from a virus which has a death rate of less than 0.1% for their demographic.
Maybe if someone from your family is directly affected, will you stop putting out such meaningless statistics.

I don’t care if the IPL is postponed or not, but the lack of empathy from some Indians towards their countrymen is sickening to say the least. No wonder you voted in a government that doesn’t care about you.
 
Maybe if someone from your family is directly affected, will you stop putting out such meaningless statistics.

I don’t care if the IPL is postponed or not, but the lack of empathy from some Indians towards their countrymen is sickening to say the least. No wonder you voted in a government that doesn’t care about you.

You are making 2 assumptions, both of which are wrong.

1) People like me don't care about other Indians dying. If I thought postponing the IPL would have saved lives I would be all for it.

2) Rahul would have done better than Modi in controlling the pandemic. No, he is just a fool and the country would have done much worse under him.
 
India, a shameless commercial society now, playing cricket amidst a public health crisis

From the New York Times today:

India’s passion turns ‘grotesque’: As the outbreak worsens, a cricket league plays on.

As plumes of smoke rose from cremation grounds, where bodies were arriving faster than they could be burned, teams of professional cricket players squared off under the lights of a cavernous stadium named for India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi.

The jarring scenes unfolded on Thursday in Ahmedabad, the capital of Mr. Modi’s home state of Gujarat and a hot spot in India’s spiraling coronavirus outbreak, which is claiming an average of nearly 3,000 lives a day nationwide.

For decades, cricket and its charismatic stars have commanded exalted status in India, where the once-genteel colonial game attracts its biggest and most passionate fan base. Now, public anger is growing at the sport’s marquee international product, the Indian Premier League, which is playing matches in a “bio-bubble” without spectators that has drawn criticism for diverting resources from the country’s wider coronavirus fight.

“There is a lack of empathy for dead bodies lying in crematoriums surrounding your stadium,” said Rahul Verma, a lawyer and die-hard cricket fan who said he had been a devoted follower of the cricket league since it started in 2008. “This game, a gentleman’s game, never was so grotesque.”

India set another global record on Friday with nearly 383,000 new infections, the health ministry reported, pushing the global coronavirus case count to more than 150 million.

In India, with one in five tests coming back positive, experts fear the true toll is much higher. As the U.S. Air Force delivered the first shipments of oxygen cylinders, test kits, masks and other emergency supplies promised to India by the Biden administration, several Indian states said they could not fulfill the government’s directive to expand vaccinations to all adults beginning on Saturday because they lacked vaccine doses.

As hospitals face shortages of intensive-care beds, relatives of the sick broadcast desperate pleas on social media for oxygen, medicine and other scarce supplies. Many Indians say they do not know if they are infected with the coronavirus because overwhelmed labs have stopped processing tests.

But one group that seems unaffected is the wealthy and powerful Board of Control for Cricket in India, the regulatory body that oversees the Indian Premier League, which was modeled on soccer’s Premier League in England and features players from around the world.

The board has kept ambulances fitted with mobile intensive-care beds on standby outside stadiums where matches are being played in case a player falls sick. It is testing players every two days and has created a travel bubble between stadiums in the six states hosting matches, including dedicated airport check-in counters for cricketers.

Meanwhile, some Indians say they cannot cross state lines to find hospital beds for Covid-19 patients.

Hemang Amin, the board’s chief operating officer, said in a letter released this week that the health and safety of players and staff members were “of paramount importance,” and added that the matches, which conclude on May 30, were a needed distraction in a difficult time.

“When you all walk out onto the field, you are bringing hope to millions of people who have tuned in,” he wrote.

But the league’s safety protocols have only highlighted the gap between its star players — who have said little publicly in the face of criticism — and the rest of the country.

“That ambulance outside that stadium could have saved at least ten lives a day,” said Ishan Singh, a cricket fan in Delhi. “These players are thieves. Given a chance, they will rob wood from the cremations and sell it in the market.”

The New Indian Express, a daily newspaper, said in an editorial this week that it would suspend coverage of the cricket league until “a semblance of normalcy is restored” in the country.

“This is commercialism gone crass,” the newspaper wrote. “The problem is not with the game but its timing.”

— Sameer Yasir and Shashank Bengali
 
I keep using the word incredible.
But this really is incredible.

The Indian posters who defend this need to get their heads out of the sand and maybe grow a heart.
 
Maybe if someone from your family is directly affected, will you stop putting out such meaningless statistics.

I don’t care if the IPL is postponed or not, but the lack of empathy from some Indians towards their countrymen is sickening to say the least. No wonder you voted in a government that doesn’t care about you.

I wonder if people like you are really concerned about Covid hit India or you got much awaited opportunity where you can take a jibe at IPL, BCCI Or Modi & Govt. Could be better if you guys do some research into Indian political system and understand how states are run.

For starters, states are run by CM chosen by party which has won state elections and NOT by Modi or central govt. If you take example of Maharashtra state & Delhi where covid situation is worst in country, both are headed by CMs of non-BJP parties and Modi or central govt have no control. Saying this because I live in one of the states mentioned above. And trust me, Modi can't even move a two wheeler in my state let alone Oxygen cylinders. Even some of these states took money from central govt and spent on advertisement rather than oxygen plants. But I am sure you won't see that because it won't fit your agenda.
And these two states/territories are just examples, there many other states which are led by non-BJP govts.
 
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IPL is a lucrative, entertaining sporting tournament. It is not taking any covid resources. People are now trying to bring it down through manufactured mob shaming and outrage. Thats all I see. It wont change a thing.
 
Bravo.
and they maintain this bubble as people struggle to breath around them.

Also this constant Pakistan vs India tactic thing might work when you're trying to rile up your own people but it's getting extremely boring here.

If this was Pakistan and the PSL none of these foreign players would still be playing in the tournament.

This was the post that was quoted.

Everyone has a job to do. Bcci has their job and they are doing it.
 
You are making 2 assumptions, both of which are wrong.

1) People like me don't care about other Indians dying. If I thought postponing the IPL would have saved lives I would be all for it.

2) Rahul would have done better than Modi in controlling the pandemic. No, he is just a fool and the country would have done much worse under him.

How can you say 2) with confidence?

Also india is as bad as it gets right now so I don’t know about ‘much worse’ anyone could have done unless you’re one of those Indians who are still maintaining it’s ‘not that bad.’ At the very least he was still maintaining publicly that covid is a huge danger and the government isn’t serious about it.
 
How can you say 2) with confidence?

Also india is as bad as it gets right now so I don’t know about ‘much worse’ anyone could have done unless you’re one of those Indians who are still maintaining it’s ‘not that bad.’ At the very least he was still maintaining publicly that covid is a huge danger and the government isn’t serious about it.

Generally I have found the BJP being better at executing things than the Congress, but it could be my bias.

A lot of governmental power that can be used to reduce the pandemic also resides with the state governments, and many states getting hammered have non-BJP governments.

Some may say that Modi made a mistake sending millions of vaccine doses to other countries before the more vulnerable Indians (aged and preexisting conditions) had been vaccinated, but those other countries also have similarly vulnerable people.
 
Too much politics in this thread - lets stick to BCCI/IPL -
 
Despite my view that, on balance, the tournament should continue, the BCCI has fallen short abysmally due to the following:

1. Staging matches in Delhi when they had built contingency plans to shift the matches to Hyderabad if the virus continued to wreak havoc in the capital. It's terrible to be playing cricket at the Kotla ground when crematoriums a few miles away have run out of capacity

2. The tone of the coverage with the canned crowd noise and the supporters' wall showcasing some idiots dancing about is a huge PR own-goal

3. The lack of empathy from players for what's happening outside the bubble, we had shots of Rohit Sharma and his Mumbai teammates celebrating his birthday earlier today which displayed a distinct lack of class. There's been radio silence from senior role models such as Kohli, Sharma, and Dhoni about the state of affairs around the country. It's not that complicated to start wearing black armbands in respect for the victims of the virus - folks like Dhoni are quick to (literally) wear their squalid jingoism on the sleeve when it's politically expedient - a show of some compassion won't go amiss under the circumstances

4. The BCCI not investing in/publicizing the relief efforts going on to fight the virus, the first thing they should have done was announce that a portion of the broadcast revenues were being ring-fenced for the relief efforts

It seems apparent that for the domestic audience, it's the lack of acknowledgment of the bigger picture that's hurting general sentiment more than the fact that the cricket is being played. The problem is exacerbated the longer the BCCI continue to ignore the issue callously.

For all the BCCI's administrative competence in organizing a biosecure bubble, the lack of a proper communication strategy to placate their critics seems to have all the hallmarks of a botched bottlejob the PCB would be proud of.
 
IPL is basically living in a parallel universe. Totally oblivious to what’s going on just a few meters away outside the stadium. The only reason why the SENA are playing is becuse of money. You think they would stay if they didn’t get paid ? Secretly they all want to leave.
 
Thanks for your sympathies and observations which is more wishful thinking.
Whilst at it can u list what will increase the chances of 'beating this pandemic' other than the tired narrative of lets cancel the IPL so that the virus goes away?
and can you list the countries that have followed your steps?

No need to list my steps. Modijis and Indian steps are there for all to see.

If you are happy cheering on aussie millionaires for hitting sixes and happy for them to skip the queue for vaccination then so be it.

Who am I to argue with someone who can be distracted from his own country men burning on fires by Glenn Maxwell?
 
One more thing , we actually do not know if any player is being infected/tested positive for covid . You really think the bcci are going to advertise it / tell us.

I mean just look at Indian government. Western sources are predicting the actual deaths and Kashmir infections in india are 30 times what Indian government is stating.
 
The tournament should continue.

Let the world see the real faces of the money making machines.
 
The tournament should continue.

Let the world see the real faces of the money making machines.

The same money making faces have the ideals of 'Vasudhaivo Kutumbakam' -the world is our family -this was shown by providing vaccines to about half the world's countries, Free of cost.
the same with Hydro-chloroquinine supply for free to a lot of countries, when they needed it the most
Possibly, because of that that certain landmarks like Niagara Falls, Burj Arab Khalefia, the Eiffel tower , that south Korean place cant recall - were lit up in indian tricolors to show solidarity with us in our hour of need.
I am by no means endorsing all that is going on, am not a fan of IPL or the BCCI either.
And frankly, we did not learn from the first wave of CV and were found wanting in the logistics of oxygen supply and the like, this was pathetic to say the least.
However, bagging the IPL as it is to blame for all that is bad is drawing a long bow that's way off the mark.
We will overcome this as well.
 
New York Times: In a country where people are dying because they can't find oxygen and ambulances, the BCCI has "kept ambulances fitted with mobile intensive-care beds on standby outside stadiums where matches are being played in case a player falls sick."
 
New York Times: In a country where people are dying because they can't find oxygen and ambulances, the BCCI has "kept ambulances fitted with mobile intensive-care beds on standby outside stadiums where matches are being played in case a player falls sick."

So BCCI is wrong in taking care of its players?

Not that NY Times and their habit of pushing agendas is hidden from anyone.
 
So BCCI is wrong in taking care of its players?

Not that NY Times and their habit of pushing agendas is hidden from anyone.

So let me get this straight, according to you, international cricketers living in a bio-secure bubble in five star hotels take precedence over average Indians dying every four minutes? That is an amazingly heartless thing to say but not surprised to hear it coming from you.

Not that NY Times and their habit of pushing agendas is hidden from anyone.

Yes only ANI is a credible news outlet
 
IPL is a lucrative, entertaining sporting tournament. It is not taking any covid resources. People are now trying to bring it down through manufactured mob shaming and outrage. Thats all I see. It wont change a thing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/30/world/india-covid-cases.html

And before you call this ''manufactured mob shaming'' be sure to actually read the article. One of the authors is an Indian journalist based in New Delhi and the people they have quoted in this article are Indians living in India.
 
The New Indian Express, a daily newspaper, said in an editorial this week that it would suspend coverage of the cricket league until “a semblance of normalcy is restored” in the country.
 
So BCCI is wrong in taking care of its players?

Not that NY Times and their habit of pushing agendas is hidden from anyone.

So according to you NY times, BBC and Al Jazeera are all biased and out to get India. Just out of curiosity, who do you consider a credible source? OpIndia and Republic news lol?
 
Have to say I am taken aback by some of the callous comments of certain posters on this thread. I thought the lives of average human beings took precedence over politics. But apparently I was wrong. Some people here will defend everything the BCCI and the Indian government will do and dismiss all international reporting as a 'foreign conspiracy'. Even when its average Indians who are talking about how Delhi is running out of crematoriums or how India is facing an oxygen shortage.

This isn't about politics or Pakistan/India as some people might think it is; its about innocent people who have the right to live above all else. But if you're blindly going to defend the callous attitude of your cricket board and your government with equally callous comments than you need to take a good hard look at yourself in the mirror. I can't even call you a nationalist because anyone that cares about a political party more than his own people is no nationalist.
 
So according to you NY times, BBC and Al Jazeera are all biased and out to get India. Just out of curiosity, who do you consider a credible source? OpIndia and Republic news lol?

The daily telegraph
The sun
The mirror
Channel 4 News
Channel 5 News
Daily express

In short every single publication and news channel in the UK has an agenda against India.
Not to mention all the news in Europe, South East Asia, Australasia and the United States of America.


Seems everyone had an agenda against India.
 
So let me get this straight, according to you, international cricketers living in a bio-secure bubble in five star hotels take precedence over average Indians dying every four minutes? That is an amazingly heartless thing to say but not surprised to hear it coming from you.

Not that NY Times and their habit of pushing agendas is hidden from anyone.

Yes only ANI is a credible news outlet

ANI is Indian. It has a stake in India. While NYT has none. As i said, NYT or WaPo or Guardian or BBC will keep doing their hit jobs not that anyone in India will decide their actions on the basis of their opinions.

Is providing health care Bcci's job? They pay their taxes. They made their charity.

Its very clear why pakistanis are so interested in bagging the IPL.
 
The New Indian Express, a d newspaper, said in an editorial this week that it would suspend coverage of the cricket league until “a semblance of normalcy is restored” in the country.

Yet they cover the entertainment section of their newspaper quite vividly. Wonder Why
 
So according to you NY times, BBC and Al Jazeera are all biased and out to get India. Just out of curiosity, who do you consider a credible source? OpIndia and Republic news lol?

They can try to get India, problem is Indians no more care for their opinion, that has incensed them further. How does a former colony of non whites dare ignore their leftist fake liberal advise.
 
The daily telegraph
The sun
The mirror
Channel 4 News
Channel 5 News
Daily express

In short every single publication and news channel in the UK has an agenda against India.
Not to mention all the news in Europe, South East Asia, Australasia and the United States of America.


Seems everyone had an agenda against India.

Any other non white former colony that is a major economic and military power and is ruled by a RW nationalist government?
 
Thread about India/IPL

No point dragging Pakistan into it for your own personal agendas.
 
Going back a few pages, public opinion in Australia turned furiously against Richardson and Zampa after they avoided the ban on returning travellers from India by transiting Qatar.

This has led to the government amending the Biosecurity Act, so any cricketers or anyone else attempting to enter Australia within 14 days of being in India will be jailed for 5 years.

So I hope the IPL players have somewhere else to go. Because if they try to return to Australia they will have 2 weeks in secure quarantine followed by 3 years in prison (and 2 on remand).
 
Going back a few pages, public opinion in Australia turned furiously against Richardson and Zampa after they avoided the ban on returning travellers from India by transiting Qatar.

This has led to the government amending the Biosecurity Act, so any cricketers or anyone else attempting to enter Australia within 14 days of being in India will be jailed for 5 years.

So I hope the IPL players have somewhere else to go. Because if they try to return to Australia they will have 2 weeks in secure quarantine followed by 3 years in prison (and 2 on remand).

Australian citizens returning home from India could face up to five years in jail and fines after the government made the journey temporarily illegal.

The health ministry said the ruling had been made "based on the proportion of people in quarantine who have acquired a Covid-19 infection in India".

Earlier this week, Australia banned all flights from India.

There are an estimated 9,000 Australians in India, 600 of whom are classed as vulnerable.

This will be the first time Australians have been criminalised for returning to their country, Australian media report.

One doctor told ABC that the government's move was disproportionate to the threat posed by those returning from India.


"Our families are quite literally dying in India overseas... to have absolutely no way of getting them out - this is abandonment," GP and health commentator Dr Vyom Sharmer said.

From Monday, anyone who has been in India within 14 days of their intended arrival date in Australia will be banned from entering the country.

Failing to comply with the new ruling could result in a five-year jail sentence, an A$66,000 (£37,000) fine, or both. The decision will be reviewed on 15 May, the health ministry said.

"The government does not make these decisions lightly," Health Minister Greg Hunt said in the statement.

"However, it is critical the integrity of the Australian public health and quarantine systems is protected and the number of Covid-19 cases in quarantine facilities is reduced to a manageable level."

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There's an inscription inside the front jacket of every Australian passport. It calls for protection and assistance for citizens when they're in strife abroad.

"The Commonwealth of Australia… requests all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer, an Australian citizen, to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection of which he or she may stand in need."

Who would have thought that Australians are now struggling to "pass freely" back into their own country? Re-entering and living in your nation is a basic aspect of citizenship. A right of return is recognised in international law, enshrined in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

But the problem for stranded Australians is that you can't argue a UN treaty in an Australian court. Citizenship rights - and many other freedoms - aren't guaranteed under their law. Australia lacks a human rights charter or explicit protections in its constitution.

So in an emergency situation, the government can make something a criminal offence overnight. At the height of the pandemic last year, the government beefed up its Biosecurity Act to give the health minister near unconditional powers bypassing parliament.

That's why citizens now trying to flee a danger zone can face jail for trying to come home. A legal challenge to this two-week ban will take time and be costly - public outrage and pressure may be the only effective remedy.

2px presentational grey line
The ministry said it had agreed with India to send emergency medical supplies, including ventilators and personal protective equipment.

"Our hearts go out to the people of India - and our Indian-Australian community," the statement added.

India has seen cases soar to 19 million and deaths total 200,000. The past week has seen more than 300,000 new cases reported each day.

Australia has implemented a series of strict measures to keep the virus out of the country since the pandemic began in February 2020. While the country is enjoying near zero infections rates and has had far fewer fatalities than most countries, the strict lockdown policies have left many Australians stranded overseas.

The ban on Indian arrivals this week has marked an escalation - the first time the country has stopped evacuations and blocked citizens from returning home altogether. It has intensified calls for more to be done to get Australians home.

BBC
 
There seems to be ambassadors of India on this thread. Just to recap, India has world’s worst Covid crisis at the moment yet some are more concerned about what Western Media are broadcasting it.

Must be a reason India are internally banning tweets and facebook posts criticising the government on the crisis.
 
Should IPL be cancelled?

As all of us know situation in India is getting worse day by day, at times like the Indian healthcare workers are spread thin.

Should the IPL tamasha circus be cancelled? And medical resources shifted to people who are literally dying in the streets a few km around these stadiums?

Or maybe shift it to UAE or something...

It is like watching Netflix in your room meanwhile the house is burning...
 
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This time it is not about cricket, but for humanity. Salute the management and the players for doing this for humanity.
 
IPL isn't an isolated entity. Different industries depend upon it. By cancelling, some companies might get broke and show employees their doors.

People here are emotional but the world doesn't run on emotions. By cancelling it, you'll be hurting those same people whom you are claiming here to care about.

The show must go on for the people.
 
There seems to be ambassadors of India on this thread. Just to recap, India has world’s worst Covid crisis at the moment yet some are more concerned about what Western Media are broadcasting it.

Must be a reason India are internally banning tweets and facebook posts criticising the government on the crisis.

Indians have a stake in a Indian crisis, foreign media doesn't neither do countries which are particularly not friendly.
 
Indians have a stake in a Indian crisis, foreign media doesn't neither do countries which are particularly not friendly.

Strange that, I don’t see India refusing any of the aid shipments from the countries deemed as “not friendly”?
 
Strange that, I don’t see India refusing any of the aid shipments from the countries deemed as “not friendly”?

Any aid from Pakistan that India has agreed to receive?

FYI govts of various countries that have sent medical aid, have also acknowledged how India helped them earlier.
 
I'm not sure where "Sydney" comes in, but I wonder what our more combative Indian fellow posters make of this headline from the English edition of the Daily Mail?

"Australia's Covid exiles: THIRTY Australian cricket stars are stranded in India and face JAIL if they try to make it home after Sydney made it ILLEGAL for them to return"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-Richardson-escape-India-travel-loophole.html
 
Indians have a stake in a Indian crisis, foreign media doesn't neither do countries which are particularly not friendly.

So what you are saying is that neutral and objective sources of information should be discounted, and only biased locally-invested sources should count.

So cheerleaders which support the national or state government or companies with domestic investments to protect.

In other words, you only listen to sources which have a conflict of interest.

No wonder India has ended up as an echo chamber in which the government and IPL think that it is acceptable to keep playing cricket even though people are dying a few hundred metres away, while the rest of the civilised world thinks that they are making fools of themselves with their obscene money-grubbing behaviour and disrespect for the dead and dying.
 
So what you are saying is that neutral and objective sources of information should be discounted, and only biased locally-invested sources should count.

So cheerleaders which support the national or state government or companies with domestic investments to protect.

In other words, you only listen to sources which have a conflict of interest.

No wonder India has ended up as an echo chamber in which the government and IPL think that it is acceptable to keep playing cricket even though people are dying a few hundred metres away, while the rest of the civilised world thinks that they are making fools of themselves with their obscene money-grubbing behaviour and disrespect for the dead and dying.

I am saying what foreigners say sitting 1000s of miles away from India has no relevance for Indians.
 
Then why are you asking foreigners for oxygen , vaccines , ventilators, medical supplies?


Reports suggest 100000 dying daily. Yet the arrogance is astounding.
 
Then why are you asking foreigners for oxygen , vaccines , ventilators, medical supplies?


Reports suggest 100000 dying daily. Yet the arrogance is astounding.

Can you post the reports saying 100k dying every day?

India provided countries with medical aid during their need a fact acknowledged by them. Those countries are now helping India. A lot of stuff is being bought a lot being given as gift.

None has been asked from pakistan.
 
Kinda disgusting that BCCI continues the circus with no respect to innocent lives being lost. BCCI/ IPL has a lot of money, but common sense and empathy?, well not sure about that
 
Unethical to go ahead with IPL while india is in the news for all the wrong reasons (Covid, amount fo people dying daily, asking for aids). In best interest and respect to the current situation IPL should’ve been postponed.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I think the IPL should carry on .. The joy it will be bringing billions in these awful times every evening is important .. but I do find it tough to think back how England & Aussie pulled out of games in SA,yet both countries players are allowed to play in India !!! <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/IPL2021?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#IPL2021</a></p>— Michael Vaughan (@MichaelVaughan) <a href="https://twitter.com/MichaelVaughan/status/1386982089468297221?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">April 27, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


Joy? What joy?
“ someone with loved on the death bed won’t care about cricket

Scott Morrison
Australian PM
 
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Indians have a stake in a Indian crisis, foreign media doesn't neither do countries which are particularly not friendly.

Indians have a stake in an Indian crisis?

Let’s see,
Some of the wealthy and powerful ones like Ambani and Adana, and Tata and Mittal and whatnot, they are letting the Indian (supposedly cash rich) govt, begging on its knees from the international community for help and aid?
 
Unethical to go ahead with IPL while india is in the news for all the wrong reasons (Covid, amount fo people dying daily, asking for aids). In best interest and respect to the current situation IPL should’ve been postponed.
It’s funny you should say that.

To me, India is a crucial nation in the world showing that unlike places like China or Russia you can develop and thrive while being a democracy and having a free and fair media plus a robust legal system, while keeping the armed forces completely out of everyday domestic life and keeping religion limited to a private matter.

India is such an important country for this reason. It can be a beacon of hope to other developing countries - I cannot imagine how much better off Pakistan would be with the armed forces and religion marginalised from their current positions.

The problem is that India’s current plight is completely ruining my hopes for the country to be a role model. The government has displayed gross incompetence in getting into this position and is responding by trying to suppress the media coverage. And the testosterone-fuelled nationalism that we are seeing in this thread is even more self-damaging.

And meanwhile the IPL which used to showcase a rapidly developing country with an expanding middle class now exposes every day that it is all about selfish money-grubbing and indifference to the suffering of the poor, the dead and the dying.

For those of us who actually want India to succeed this is a disaster. And the IPL is doing huge damage to the country’s reputation.
 
It’s funny you should say that.

To me, India is a crucial nation in the world showing that unlike places like China or Russia you can develop and thrive while being a democracy and having a free and fair media plus a robust legal system, while keeping the armed forces completely out of everyday domestic life and keeping religion limited to a private matter.

India is such an important country for this reason. It can be a beacon of hope to other developing countries - I cannot imagine how much better off Pakistan would be with the armed forces and religion marginalised from their current positions.

The problem is that India’s current plight is completely ruining my hopes for the country to be a role model. The government has displayed gross incompetence in getting into this position and is responding by trying to suppress the media coverage. And the testosterone-fuelled nationalism that we are seeing in this thread is even more self-damaging.

And meanwhile the IPL which used to showcase a rapidly developing country with an expanding middle class now exposes every day that it is all about selfish money-grubbing and indifference to the suffering of the poor, the dead and the dying.

For those of us who actually want India to succeed this is a disaster. And the IPL is doing huge damage to the country’s reputation.

IPL is not doing huge damage to India's reputation.
We live in India and know that it is select few who speak like this. Majority of Indians believe it is the folly of having elections and Kumbh Mela, Weddings, laxity on part of Indian population which are the main reasons we are all suffering today.

Why enjoy IPL when so many are dying?

This is an correct Ethical question applied wrongly.
In our haste to be politically and morally correct, let us not lose the sight of practical decision making. I am not for a second saying that lose ethics but apply it in right places. Cancelling the event which are dangerous and not the ones which teach us how to conduct properly. BCCI has shown us how to implement BSE and this is to be appreciated and replicated in other events. It is possible to learn a lot from this. Even if the bubble were to break tomorrow, we carry the knowledge on how to improve it further.

When we talk ethics we are doing it because it hurts the sensibilities of some posters but think it through well, it could be because of certain previous notions and bias. If you think neutrally and logically, by cancelling the IPL now, it will not suddenly increase the availability of vaccines, test kits or Oxygen beds etc.

The counter argument that even one thousand test kits or 500 vaccines will help doesn't cut it as it amounts to a failure in understanding the scale of the problem. Just try to understand the scale of requirement. It can be met only by new production and not by rationalizing.

What can you do?
I am, again, not saying ethics be ignored and also agree that your intentions are right. Poor sufferers and the dying must be helped. We all are doing it, if you are not doing it, then use the Zakat this time to help someone in your country (if not India).

Is IPL really helping anyone in these times?

Running IPL in the midst of this disaster is not sounding right to many posters just because they are associating IPL as a frivolous guilty pleasure. No, it provides succour to the suffering. By extneding your logic, even if it helps one person, so be it.
True, those who are in sick beds and I have talked to so many, none of them have mentioned that IPL be stopped. They all had one singular thing to say (that they should have taken more precautions and that hospitals are turning them away. Some mentioned government failure and this is a different debate altogether. Key thing to note is that lot of us who used to watch IPL before are still watching it. People who suggest that we Netflix/ Prime/ Hotstar are misquoting their calls of ethics themselves.

What should the BCCI do?


Instead of cancelling IPL, we should expect BCCI to coverer this into an opportunity to spread awareness.
As a PR exercise, even though BCCI is not guilty, they must do more to dispel the notion of some of us viewers that IPL is all glitzy entertainment. It may well be but the fact is that we are at cross roads of cricket future an what seems corrupt to you now will become the new normal. Remember at one stage ODI used to be in this position.

So, BCCI have power and influence to pull in the players and broadcasters to start advertising on the correct usage of PPE, social distancing, handwashing or to avoid crowding. It works. I personally feel that if a prominent player has no qualms to use PPE while flying from one city to next, why should I feel embarrassed to wear that PPE kit? Young adults and kids who want to emulate Kohli will do it. My nephew often agrees to eat his green will now do it easily since Kohli tuned vegetarian. The power and influence of advertising is well known to all of us. Doing this is a million times better than supplying some beds or oxygen or test kits.

What should Government do?

A lot actually. This is where the focus should be. I don't have any solutions except that politics must stop influencing the decision making of leadership. have Judiciary, president and PM and CM use the taskforce to increase production everywhere and solve the logistical problems. Please add to this.

Hope Sanity prevails and the game of oneupmanship stops here in this debate
 
The news that the KKR bubble may have been breached will potentially force the postponement of the tournament. If player safety has been compromised, there's no excuse to keep on playing.
 
The news that the KKR bubble may have been breached will potentially force the postponement of the tournament. If player safety has been compromised, there's no excuse to keep on playing.

Sounds like postponement of all matches till test results are declared. More than a week and we can be sure it will be postponed to next year.
 
So this garbage is going to continue to drag into the international cricket calendar?
 
I hope it is not postponed, it impacts the entire international Calender.

The might of BCCI may even mean cancellation of this year's T20 WC to accommodate IPL and next year's rights may go to india instead of Australia.
 
This virus is completely rampant now in India.

It shows how vulnerable the tournament is if all it takes is one person leaving the bubble just to go hospital and then to come back with the virus.

I said earlier on a moral basis alone the tournament should have been postponed because there is a crisis happening in the country but now the biosecure bubble has been breached it should be definitely be postponed - this is what happened in Pakistan right ? It was the right thing to do because the players felt insecure to play in that tournament so don’t know why the same doesn’t apply here.

The problem is Australian players are stuck - they can’t leave anyway as their government has barred them from returning and England players know they will have to completely self isolate in a government hotel for 10 days - that’s if they manage to get on a commercial flight back.
 
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I hope it is not postponed, it impacts the entire international Calender.

The might of BCCI may even mean cancellation of this year's T20 WC to accommodate IPL and next year's rights may go to india instead of Australia.

This is what our Pakistani friends don’t seem to understand

IPL will take precedence over the WTC final if it must.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa will all suffer if this joke of a league is dragged on any longer. And next year’s IPL with 20 teams is going to be around the corner too once they somehow finish this one around November time
 
As far as the bubble being breached is concerned is anyone really surprised?
Like Really.
It was an eventuality.
Playing in an area with the highest rate of COVID positivity. Obviously the chances of this happening would drastically increase no matter how secure the bubble.
People on here were talking about how the bubble wouldn't break like how people would say the tianic wouldn't sink.
It was an eventuality and was bound to happen. Careless stuff from the organizers
 
This is what our Pakistani friends don’t seem to understand

IPL will take precedence over the WTC final if it must.

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, South Africa will all suffer if this joke of a league is dragged on any longer. And next year’s IPL with 20 teams is going to be around the corner too once they somehow finish this one around November time
It’s like Super League in football. The IPL isn’t going away and will gradually expand and try to displace international cricket.

I welcome that. There are only so many weeks per year that most players under 33-34 would be willing to spend in India.

So let’s just get it done. Let IPL take whoever they can buy, and the rest of us can get on with international cricket.
 
It’s like Super League in football. The IPL isn’t going away and will gradually expand and try to displace international cricket.

I welcome that. There are only so many weeks per year that most players under 33-34 would be willing to spend in India.

So let’s just get it done. Let IPL take whoever they can buy, and the rest of us can get on with international cricket.

As much as it pains me to concur, this is the only solution forward for international cricket. It's inevitable that the IPL will continue to encroach upon the international calendar, but we've seen this year that boards have been willing to schedule a clash against the tournament.

Let the IPL be held year around, while international cricket can operate concurrently. If the likes of Jos Buttler, Steve Smith, Kane Williamson, Trent Boult, Pat Cummins, and David Warner want to give up international cricket, fair enough. Boards can't continue to be held hostage to a domestic tournament.
 
It’s like Super League in football. The IPL isn’t going away and will gradually expand and try to displace international cricket.

I welcome that. There are only so many weeks per year that most players under 33-34 would be willing to spend in India.

So let’s just get it done. Let IPL take whoever they can buy, and the rest of us can get on with international cricket.

Super league but we dont see enough of a backlash against this because 75% of world cricket fans are Indian.

Wait for someone here to tell you that Mumbai Indians v Chennai Superkings is the El Classico of Cricket. Wait for another guy to tell you that this entertainment will last for 2 months and add the gif of Chris Gayle dancing
 
As much as it pains me to concur, this is the only solution forward for international cricket. It's inevitable that the IPL will continue to encroach upon the international calendar, but we've seen this year that boards have been willing to schedule a clash against the tournament.

Let the IPL be held year around, while international cricket can operate concurrently. If the likes of Jos Buttler, Steve Smith, Kane Williamson, Trent Boult, Pat Cummins, and David Warner want to give up international cricket, fair enough. Boards can't continue to be held hostage to a domestic tournament.

Dont think BCCI will ever take that route to have IPL year round.

If this were to occur, the IPL would die down. Everyone in India loves test and ODI and Internationals.
 
Let these money hungry gold diggers play and get this cr@p over and done with. Can’t wait for proper cricket to return!
 
Dont think BCCI will ever take that route to have IPL year round.

If this were to occur, the IPL would die down. Everyone in India loves test and ODI and Internationals.

I'm not that certain, the new age fans won't really care if the IPL is held for most of the year. The previous generation and some of the players might mind, but I don't think we are far away from a situation where the IPL window is extended up to 5 months between February and June.
 
The tournament will be postponed if 2/3 teams are affected. So the DC testing results will tell us a lot more.
 
I'm not that certain, the new age fans won't really care if the IPL is held for most of the year. The previous generation and some of the players might mind, but I don't think we are far away from a situation where the IPL window is extended up to 5 months between February and June.

I fear the day IPL goes EPL way?
might happen as this is what most leagues turn into including EPL, NBA, la liga.
That would mean death of bilaterals
 
Dont think BCCI will ever take that route to have IPL year round.

If this were to occur, the IPL would die down. Everyone in India loves test and ODI and Internationals.

But they just like those ODI and Tests to be against Australia and England. That will always find it’s place in World cricket
 
https://www.insidesport.co/covid-19-grips-ipl-2021-now-5-ddca-ground-staffs-on-duty-during-rr-vs-srh-match-test-positive-2/

5 DDCA Ground Staff Members Test positive: Covid-19 has hit the Indian Premier League (IPL) 2021 hard. After Covid-19 cases in Kolkata Knight Riders camp, InsideSport.co has reliably learnt that now five Delhi & District Cricket Association (DDCA) ground staff members have tested Covid-19 positive. All of these ground staff members were on duty during Rajasthan Royals vs Sunrisers Hyderabad match on Sunday. There are possibilities that the ground staff members came in contact with several players of the two teams during the match according to one of the senior DDCA official.

“It’s confirmed that five DDCA ground staff tested Covid positive. They were on duty on the ground on the last IPL Match (RR vs SRH) at Kotla. Since they were on ground duty, there are chances that they must have come in contact with players and team staff,” a DDCA official in the know-how of the matter told InsideSport.

The five ground staff members have been home-quarantined. However, DDCA believes that more positive reports are possible in the coming days. “We are waiting for more reports. There were around 50-60 members on duty. The report will come in a day or two. There are chances of more positive reports,” he added.

This has also put dark clouds on the upcoming fixture between Mumbai Indians and SRH. The clash is scheduled for Tuesday at Arun Jaitley Stadium.

In Ahmedabad, meanwhile, the Kolkata Knight Riders camp was rocked after Varun Chakravarthy and Sandeep Warrier tested positive for coronavirus. “Varun Chakaravarthy and Sandeep Warrier were found to be positive in the third round of testing in the last four days. All other team members have tested negative for COVID -19,” the statement read.

The players have been isolated from the rest of the squad and the medical team is keeping a close watch on the health. Meanwhile, the KKR have now moved towards a daily testing routine to identify any other possible cases and treat them at the earliest.

“The Medical Team is also determining the close and casual contacts of the two positive cases during the 48 hours prior to collection of the sample that returned the positive test results,” the statement added.
 
So now the story is breaking that 3 members of the CSK bubble, and 5 members of the groundstaff at the Feroz Shah Kotla ground in Delhi have also tested positive.

Don't see any outcome other than a postponement of the tournament.
 
Let these money hungry gold diggers play and get this cr@p over and done with. Can’t wait for proper cricket to return!

What do you mean money hungry gold diggers? These people are humanitarians, selflessly playing on while bodies burn around them? Cut them some slack man because of their noble actions our Indian neighbours get 3 hours of distraction from the smog from funeral pyres.
 
CSK CEO Kasi Viswanathan, Bowling Coach Balaji and Bus Cleaner has been tested positive for COVID-19.
 
So now the story is breaking that 3 members of the CSK bubble, and 5 members of the groundstaff at the Feroz Shah Kotla ground in Delhi have also tested positive.

Don't see any outcome other than a postponement of the tournament.
Simply cant carry on now, the cases have started flooding in.
 
So now the story is breaking that 3 members of the CSK bubble, and 5 members of the groundstaff at the Feroz Shah Kotla ground in Delhi have also tested positive.

Don't see any outcome other than a postponement of the tournament.

What kind of bubble is this?

When England host at Old Trafford and Southampton the groundstaff have to live in at the on-site hotel from 14 days before the Test starts.

If the Indian groundstaff have been going home then this breach was a disaster waiting to happen.
 
What kind of bubble is this?

When England host at Old Trafford and Southampton the groundstaff have to live in at the on-site hotel from 14 days before the Test starts.

If the Indian groundstaff have been going home then this breach was a disaster waiting to happen.

It goes against what the BCCI had been briefing the media for the past couple of weeks that people inside the bubble are not allowed to leave.

The protocols have certainly been ignored for this to have happened. There's no way the tournament will carry on from here.
 
It goes against what the BCCI had been briefing the media for the past couple of weeks that people inside the bubble are not allowed to leave.

The protocols have certainly been ignored for this to have happened. There's no way the tournament will carry on from here.

There is no way its going to be cancelled. Players could do and it will carry on.
 
What could go wrong in staging a cricket tournament in a country ravaged by the pandemic and going one better (or worse?) by actually choosing venues that are the biggest hotspots of the pandemic in the country.

It's why I said the tournament should've been scrapped more than two weeks back. The problem with nationalists (of any country) is that they think less on reason and more on pride, ego and vanity.
 
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