Should IPL 2021 be Postponed Amid Rising Coronavirus Cases in India?

[sam_ahm]

Where does any article say that death rate is 10 times? All they say is its under reported.

As a doctor i can tell you that the cause of death in India us recorded by the attending doctor and not the cremation ground worker. So NYT saying that a municipal worker is recording the cause of death is not true.

All i am asking you to prove is your statement that 20k people are dying in India.

Crematoriums / graveyards are going full, queues of bodies waiting for cremation, just because of 2000 covid deaths in the entire country?

Then covid is not a problem at all, we must investigate what else is causing so many deaths? No?

 

[shaz619]

"But we are going from a really tight bubble and are getting vaccinated next week so hopefully the government will let us get home on a private charter.

quote above is from Chris lynn.

"Despite its domestic capacity, fewer than 10% of the 1.4 billion population has been vaccinated, and questions are being asked about why for every two doses India has administered at home, one has been exported abroad."

This quote from Sky news.

Are these cricketers jumping the queue?

Either Modi and his followers are incompetent, heartless, spineless, greedy and ignorant or they were scammed by Boris Johnson of all people [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] , too busy running after the British Pound then care for their own people, those who are a little more well off and out off touch with the suffering of the poorer folk in their country generally have some extremely right wing attitudes

 

[shaz619]

It’s hilarious to how some of the IPL cheerleaders are still bragging about salaries paid to BRITISH cricketers ! my word, either you are terrible at maths or plain stupid. Apart from a few, most mainly benefit from playing in subcontinental conditions

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

No known Co-Relation between the staging of the IPL and the increase in Cases or the overall situation.
No one here can prove or has proved so far the IPL is responsible for the situation deterioting.
Other than on moral grounds, no reason to stop it.
That said I feel eventually this event will stop , albeit for the wrong reasons.
The narrative here is to down IPL at every opportunity, the same as MSD played slowly against Eng in the u know what, the ceaseless tom toming.

People here have unreasonably commented on India's space programme as well,....what a load of pure desert camel....if that was a the case, no nation should ever attempt anything scientific, commercial, of entertainment value, have any sporting events till they successfully prove and establish that no child in their country goes to bed hungry.
No such nation exists,......hence get off your pathetic narrative. Yes the situation is dire no doubting it...
I feel under circumstances it could be played in UAE, will be a win win situation for all parties.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

As long as the bubbles are now working I don't see an immediate point why it should be cancelled at this stage. Bubbles are already created and all the hard work and risks have already been taken.

Now unless someone tells the me that the resources can be better used to save the general population etc I dont think it needs to be cancelled at all.

Exactly....good reasoning and rationale....
And secondly, if the IPL is cancelled...will those without oxygen or medicines magically get this?
If IPL is cancelled - will the CV go away? worldwide?
That said, I do feel because of large num of people with their own selfish agendas - the IPL will be cancelled due to the wrong reasons, or may be moved to the UAE....
and the ceaseless tom toming will continue as more and more will crawl out of the woodwork....

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

A question from me and please do not take it personally. Your closest family member passes away and that very evening you get free tickets for 2 to watch a movie in the cinema. You chose to go watch that movie with your girlfriend.

Your neighbour watches you do this and tells you ‘how sickening’

In response you call him jealous as you won the free ticket and not him.

Now you see how all this is sounding!

I would attend to whatever is the formalities for my close member passing away.
That takes priority over a free world cruise tour leave alone 2 free tickets to the movies with my gf/sachin Tendulkar/Sharuk khan/Joe biden/chacha chaudhary....
secondly the two free tickets did not directly contribute to the reason as why the person passed away.
If it was indirectly responsible - please explain and extrapoluate this.
The situation of the neighbor would arise if he/she was also in some way involved in reason as to why the person passed away or the logistics of getting the free tickets, all three events are un related.
-And I'd tell the neighbor to take a running jump off the highest cliff....
A pathetic analogy - na sar na pair....
Just like the greatest MBA in the world cannot predict as to when the stocks will rise and by how much - exactly - no one here has directly given a co-relation as to how staging the IPL is directly related to the virus situation other than moral grounds.
If id didn't watch the movie, would the dead person come back to life?
If the IPL was cancelled - will the virus disappear?

 

[Junaids]

So, still nothing on the 20k (or anything close) you cited earlier? We are to now believe your models and projections based on US data. great.

Sorry my friend, that’s not how it works.

You asked me to provide evidence and I did, from multiple sources. Only one reported less than a 90% underreporting of deaths. And I quoted evidence from eleven (11) different cities and states.

The burden of proof is no longer on me - it’s on you and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] . At present I am just hearing empty counter-arguments to try to legitimise the patently false official case and death numbers in India.

Now YOU need to Show Cause as to why we should not multiply the official death count by at least 10, to arrive at a more accurate figure.

And once you have done that, you need to additionally Show Cause as to why the IPL should continue with infection and death rates many times higher than when the Olympics were postponed by a year, the Euros were postponed for a year.

You had your moment of challenging me to provide evidence. Unfortunately for you I did precisely that. Now you need to refute it with facts, rather than trying to smear the New York Times and BBC and University of Michigan et al.

Otherwise I will just take it that you can’t provide accurate figures and don’t want a genuine debate about the inappropriateness of playing sport while people are dying in huge numbers.

 

[Lego20]

Crematoriums / graveyards are going full, queues of bodies waiting for cremation, just because of 2000 covid deaths in the entire country?

Then covid is not a problem at all, we must investigate what else is causing so many deaths? No?

Have you ever attended wood fire based cremation? I have - each cremation takes 4+ hours (after once the wood has been brought and laid out)!

 

[gazza619]

I would attend to whatever is the formalities for my close member passing away.
That takes priority over a free world cruise tour leave alone 2 free tickets to the movies with my gf/sachin Tendulkar/Sharuk khan/Joe biden/chacha chaudhary....
secondly the two free tickets did not directly contribute to the reason as why the person passed away.
If it was indirectly responsible - please explain and extrapoluate this.
The situation of the neighbor would arise if he/she was also in some way involved in reason as to why the person passed away or the logistics of getting the free tickets, all three events are un related.
-And I'd tell the neighbor to take a running jump off the highest cliff....
A pathetic analogy - na sar na pair....
Just like the greatest MBA in the world cannot predict as to when the stocks will rise and by how much - exactly - no one here has directly given a co-relation as to how staging the IPL is directly related to the virus situation other than moral grounds.
If id didn't watch the movie, would the dead person come back to life?
If the IPL was cancelled - will the virus disappear?

If you didnt watch the movie, would the dead come back to live? No of course they wont.

Good luck with your heartless and calculative analogy and I sincerely hope you dont lose a loved one in this crisis of a situation.

 

[Junaids]

The way that the pandemic is unfolding in India is simply a human tragedy on a grand scale. The Vietnam experience tells us that when this finishes, millions of Indians will have suffered unnecessary deaths due to terrible choices that the country has made.

This is a story of government incompetence and a primitive day worker economy leading to a Holocaust of preventable deaths.

Yet while the human tragedy is unimaginable, this thread has been strangely compelling, in part I think because it is a throwback to the Trump presidency, with bogus official statistics created by suppression of the real facts, and being defended by attacking those who question them and by decrying inconvenient facts as “Fake News”.

We are clearly going in circles now in terms of the statistical size of this tragedy.

I think we need to go back to the actual title of this thread.

Those people who say that the IPL should continue because it is not directly killing people should instead answer the following questions:

1. Please explain what benchmarks make it OK to continue the IPL at a level of infection and death much higher than when Euro2020 and the 2020 Olympics and 2019-20 EPL were postponed.

2. If you are arguing that it is ok to continue the IPL at infection rates and death rates higher than when the 2020 Euros and Olympics were postponed for a year, do you therefore accept that by your actions you admit to considering Indian lives to be worth less than European and Japanese lives?

 

[Lego20]

The way that the pandemic is unfolding in India is simply a human tragedy on a grand scale. The Vietnam experience tells us that when this finishes, millions of Indians will have suffered unnecessary deaths due to terrible choices that the country has made.

This is a story of government incompetence and a primitive day worker economy leading to a Holocaust of preventable deaths.

Yet while the human tragedy is unimaginable, this thread has been strangely compelling, in part I think because it is a throwback to the Trump presidency, with bogus official statistics created by suppression of the real facts, and being defended by attacking those who question them and by decrying inconvenient facts as “Fake News”.

We are clearly going in circles now in terms of the statistical size of this tragedy.

I think we need to go back to the actual title of this thread.

Those people who say that the IPL should continue because it is not directly killing people should instead answer the following questions:

1. Please explain what benchmarks make it OK to continue the IPL at a level of infection and death much higher than when Euro2020 and the 2020 Olympics and 2019-20 EPL were postponed.

2. If you are arguing that it is ok to continue the IPL at infection rates and death rates higher than when the 2020 Euros and Olympics were postponed for a year, do you therefore accept that by your actions you admit to considering Indian lives to be worth less than European and Japanese lives?

- We dont follow Euro/olympics guidelines. They can close forever for all we care. We will continue running IPL as we wish. Is it harming anyone?

thanks your concern for Indians.

 

[Junaids]

- We dont follow Euro/olympics guidelines. They can close forever for all we care. We will continue running IPL as we wish. Is it harming anyone?

thanks your concern for Indians.

So we are going with the “African Dictator” response, are we?

“It’s our country, you’re just a bunch of colonialists, we will run this country for the benefit of the few, we don’t care about ordinary people and we don’t care what you think.”

Is the IPL harming anyone?

Yes, it is. It is harming the ordinary Indians who might have lived if the testing kits went squandered on testing fit young sportsmen twice every day.

And it is harming India. Barely anyone outside the subcontinent knew how the country was being run until now. Now everybody can see that ordinary Indian lives are cheap and disposable to the Indian elites.

India’s reputation has been set back fifty years in the last week.

 

[Thephenom]

India, one of the biggest economies in the world, there own prime minister holding a rally of thousands of Indians, encouraging them out onto the streets of the country, since when have the rich Indians cared about the poor?!

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

If you didnt watch the movie, would the dead come back to live? No of course they wont.

Good luck with your heartless and calculative analogy and I sincerely hope you dont lose a loved one in this crisis of a situation.

Thanks for your sympathy and wishes, much appreciated. And the same to you as well as all readers here.
However, if the movie line is the only line that you read, and applied....and left out the rest , isn't that selective and 'calculative'?

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

So we are going with the “African Dictator” response, are we?

“It’s our country, you’re just a bunch of colonialists, we will run this country for the benefit of the few, we don’t care about ordinary people and we don’t care what you think.”

Is the IPL harming anyone?

Yes, it is. It is harming the ordinary Indians who might have lived if the testing kits went squandered on testing fit young sportsmen twice every day.

And it is harming India. Barely anyone outside the subcontinent knew how the country was being run until now. Now everybody can see that ordinary Indian lives are cheap and disposable to the Indian elites.

India’s reputation has been set back fifty years in the last week.

The virus will go sooner than later.
The relentless tom toming of a particular narrative wont.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Is this not the time when every resource and money in any field is freed up and used for nothing else other than saving lives and ensuring basic care? Does the entertainment need to be LIVE IN INDIA at such a grand scale at the moment? Imagine if all the music stars in India decided to do a concert with fireworks in delhi right now for money. It's just not a good look. It might be entertaining for the more privileged of people in terms of health and wealth. But pretty inconsiderate towards those who aren't as privileged.

Should the attention not be towards-hey what we can do to help/donate to/contact health care facilities and resources at this pressing time and not towards live cricket. Surely there are other forms of entertainment that don't necessarily scream : "Hey, we're doing so much better off at a time like this- we get to enjoy playing a game". LIVE Festivities can surely take a back seat.

The resources and money from Govt are going into that direction, as well as from Corporates as well.
This is just a cricket tournament, do not create false equivalences.

If no sport should happen in these times, then Pakistan should also come back from Zimbabwe and cancel the upcoming PSL in solidarity. Then, we can think about that.
Till then, thanks but no thanks for your fake concerns.

I have lost friends, distant family members in these tough times. But, the basic essence of life is, things have to move forward.

IPL is not only providing some sort of distraction from all this, it is also keeping the Workers in hotels, the chefs and hotel staff, busy and in their respective jobs. How do you think those people should be compensated for.

 

[Bigboii]

I don't know why this thread reached 10 pages...

When there's a covid outbreak in the bubble than we can say anything we want to say but if it's not happening than it's safe inside Right?

Don't know the big issue here...

 

[Junaids]

I don't know why this thread reached 10 pages...

When there's a covid outbreak in the bubble than we can say anything we want to say but if it's not happening than it's safe inside Right?

Don't know the big issue here...

The bubble is irrelevant. There was no bubble breach at Euro2020 or the Olympics, but they were cancelled because it is obscene to hold a sporting extravaganza while people a few hundred metres away can’t get oxygen to breathe.

The issue is that there are two historical analogies for the 2021 IPL.

One is the out-of-touch executed French Queen Marie Antoinette responding to starving locals by saying “let them eat cake!”

The other is of the decadent and gluttonous Roman Emperor Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Interestingly neither depiction was based on actual facts.

So playing on with the IPL is actually WORSE than Emperor Nero and Queen Marie Antoinette.

India and the IPL are aiming pretty low if that is what they aspire to.

 

[Junaids]

Interestingly, BBC Newsnight’s piece about why GOI is minimising the crisis and the numbers has just been uploaded worldwide.

People in India might want to watch it to understand quite why the continuation of the IPL is attracting such shock and disbelief overseas.

 

[Lego20]

So we are going with the “African Dictator” response, are we?

“It’s our country, you’re just a bunch of colonialists, we will run this country for the benefit of the few, we don’t care about ordinary people and we don’t care what you think.”

Is the IPL harming anyone?

Yes, it is. It is harming the ordinary Indians who might have lived if the testing kits went squandered on testing fit young sportsmen twice every day.

And it is harming India. Barely anyone outside the subcontinent knew how the country was being run until now. Now everybody can see that ordinary Indian lives are cheap and disposable to the Indian elites.

India’s reputation has been set back fifty years in the last week.

Thanks again. Appreciate your concerns. Take care.

 

[Lego20]

I don't know why this thread reached 10 pages...

When there's a covid outbreak in the bubble than we can say anything we want to say but if it's not happening than it's safe inside Right?

Don't know the big issue here...

Its a pure troll thread. One person keeps repeating the same points again and again even after getting responses to each one of them. He has now run out of new outrage ideas.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The bubble is irrelevant. There was no bubble breach at Euro2020 or the Olympics, but they were cancelled because it is obscene to hold a sporting extravaganza while people a few hundred metres away can’t get oxygen to breathe.

The issue is that there are two historical analogies for the 2021 IPL.

One is the out-of-touch executed French Queen Marie Antoinette responding to starving locals by saying “let them eat cake!”

The other is of the decadent and gluttonous Roman Emperor Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Interestingly neither depiction was based on actual facts.

So playing on with the IPL is actually WORSE than Emperor Nero and Queen Marie Antoinette.

India and the IPL are aiming pretty low if that is what they aspire to.

We aspire to stay positive and fight the virus with the help of our allies.
We aspire to fight the darkness with some light, and some sort of positivity which watching cricket gives us.

You are completely out of touch with reality, and anyways devoid of any humane emotion for the people of India so no need of any sermons from you.

You have always held people of India and players in contempt, all the time, from not recognising racial abuse of Indian players to various other issues.

When people of India are racially abused, they are lying as per you.
When people of India want to stay positive in times of hardship and fight it with optimism, they are setting bad precedence.

So, it is in fact, you Mr Junaids who has always aimed low and petty for all issues pertaining to India and its people.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Italy's world renowned health system fails, COVID deaths.. Italians support their people with people singing in their balconies.. playing music during hard times,
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and poetic.

Spains system crashes, Spanish people and sing and dance in apartment complexes to keep people motivated.
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and heart warming.

India is going through tough times, Watching their favourite sport gives them some respite, some optimism to see through the tough times, and that too in a well managed bubble and tournament which is creating and sustaining jobs of hotel workers and staffs..

The reaction -- You guys are selfish, you guys are mad, why don't you cry everyday and just mourn. Why are you looking for some sense of happiness...

A bunch of hyprocrites.

 

[Bigboii]

Italy's world renowned health system fails, COVID deaths.. Italians support their people with people singing in their balconies.. playing music during hard times,
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and poetic.

Spains system crashes, Spanish people and sing and dance in apartment complexes to keep people motivated.
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and heart warming.

India is going through tough times, Watching their favourite sport gives them some respite, some optimism to see through the tough times, and that too in a well managed bubble and tournament which is creating and sustaining jobs of hotel workers and staffs..

The reaction -- You guys are selfish, you guys are mad, why don't you cry everyday and just mourn. Why are you looking for some sense of happiness...

A bunch of hyprocrites.

I mean think about it

It's a bit of a false equivalence...

 

[Bigboii]

The bubble is irrelevant. There was no bubble breach at Euro2020 or the Olympics, but they were cancelled because it is obscene to hold a sporting extravaganza while people a few hundred metres away can’t get oxygen to breathe.

The issue is that there are two historical analogies for the 2021 IPL.

One is the out-of-touch executed French Queen Marie Antoinette responding to starving locals by saying “let them eat cake!”

The other is of the decadent and gluttonous Roman Emperor Nero fiddling while Rome burned.

Interestingly neither depiction was based on actual facts.

So playing on with the IPL is actually WORSE than Emperor Nero and Queen Marie Antoinette.

India and the IPL are aiming pretty low if that is what they aspire to.

Mountain out of a mole dude...

Like they're not pulling out champagnes every night and having rave parties in the bubble

Just playing cricket, who's that hurting

(maybe the players who'll have to stay in india if thier countries refuse to take tham, that's the only issue I can think of)

 

[Bigboii]

I mean think about it

It's a bit of a false equivalence...

Cause even in Italy all the major events were suspended and people did it "inside" thier homes

 

[Third Man]

I don't agree with postponing IPL unless there's an actual COVID breakout inside the bubble. However, some of the responses from the Indian posters are shocking here.

I don't know what kind of spell Modi and the BJP government have cast on even educated Indians that they'll go to any lengths to defend them. Any criticism of the government from their fellow citizens is regarded as treason and any reportage of facts is labeled fake news. I really feel for the dissenters among you. It must be rather catastrophic in there.

I hope you guys come out of it.

 

[Energy]

Got to say that the chief asking the players to ''play for humanity'' slogan is cheesily textbook - hard to argue against that emotion. It is like Basanti dancing for Gabbar while Dharam paaji is in his element, eloquently referring to the latter as a dog.

Nothing against the tournament or cricket, but can't see this making a headline that this was played for humanity and do pal ki khushiyan. It looks forced, shallow and careless, and comes across as turning a blind eye to what is happening in the surroundings. Fair enough it doesn't affect the cricket, and the bubble is secure so there's an argument from the other side too, but the argument should be along the lines of providing financial stability to the BCCI and the IPL franchises rather than charade under humanity.

Humanity is to first look after the people who are vulnerable, dying and help them out in any way you can if you have the resources & means. Not to cater to the healthy and the fat rich buggers who can enjoy a game of cricket on their sofa because they have a TV and remote to do so.

 

[Bigboii]

I don't agree with postponing IPL unless there's an actual COVID breakout inside the bubble. However, some of the responses from the Indian posters are shocking here.

I don't know what kind of spell Modi and the BJP government have cast on even educated Indians that they'll go to any lengths to defend them. Any criticism of the government from their fellow citizens is regarded as treason and any reportage of facts is labeled fake news. I really feel for the dissenters among you. It must be rather catastrophic in there.

I hope you guys come out of it.

That's just SC politics

Same thing happened in the first 1 and half year of PTI gov

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

The resources and money from Govt are going into that direction, as well as from Corporates as well.
This is just a cricket tournament, do not create false equivalences.

If no sport should happen in these times, then Pakistan should also come back from Zimbabwe and cancel the upcoming PSL in solidarity. Then, we can think about that.
Till then, thanks but no thanks for your fake concerns.

I have lost friends, distant family members in these tough times. But, the basic essence of life is, things have to move forward.

IPL is not only providing some sort of distraction from all this, it is also keeping the Workers in hotels, the chefs and hotel staff, busy and in their respective jobs. How do you think those people should be compensated for.

I don't know you M8 but for what its worth, my sympathies towards your loss.
Yes the situation is dire, unprecedented and could have had better preparation from the govt especially considering we had the first wave 2020 behind us.
If the common narrative here is to be heard out no country should have any movies, competitions, school, college, any activity till they confirm that no child/person living there goes to bed on a full stomach. Is there any country that can confirm this? do we stop everything then and is stopping IPL the remedy to the situation we are in?
People have also questioned the bubble etc.....yes this is a human tragedy but for those who said we are 'begging' for oxygen, might have escaped your notice but not so long back we were also exporting vaccines to a lot of countries.
We will come out of this. Stay strong.

 

[naseem]

Italy's world renowned health system fails, COVID deaths.. Italians support their people with people singing in their balconies.. playing music during hard times,
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and poetic.

Spains system crashes, Spanish people and sing and dance in apartment complexes to keep people motivated.
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and heart warming.

India is going through tough times, Watching their favourite sport gives them some respite, some optimism to see through the tough times, and that too in a well managed bubble and tournament which is creating and sustaining jobs of hotel workers and staffs..

The reaction -- You guys are selfish, you guys are mad, why don't you cry everyday and just mourn. Why are you looking for some sense of happiness...

A bunch of hyprocrites.

Well india has its own version of thali bajao diya jalao....u cn check it....the popular go corona go jumping dance.....

U can search it in youtube.....
To draw parallel with italy spain is rubbish becoz..

A. Population....the vast difference... In india it's like now 5 italy and 5 spain are burning at the moment....

B. At that time there was no Serie A or Laliga going on...if it had gone on then obviously there would have been hue and cry....like it's happening shamelessly in India...

C. If I used to coin the ter. Hypocrite ...then its those who blame farmers for Corona.....and all other things around the world for it except the indian Govt and it's failure to provide adequate health care facility even though it had gone through similar situation a year ago... The preparedness was simply not there...

The priorities of the govt are elsewhere

Just days ago Madras High Court has slammed the ECI....for conducting election in pandemic......saying the ECI officers are liable for murder charges...

Still a large section of Indians think all these are made to portray their PM in bad light...this are all Sajis....to humiliate their PM.....I don't know why it's a plan against Modi.....a person going to test gets a positive result if more such persons get positive result how it is to demean the govt ..

Italians never urged for serie A ......they entertain themselves......that's how it should be i hope it's clear now who r the real hypocrites

 

[liam26]

Currently, 300+ deaths are happening in Italy , France and Germany too. None of these countries are shutting down their Football leagues. IPL shall continue too as long as safety protocol's are in place.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The resources and money from Govt are going into that direction, as well as from Corporates as well.
This is just a cricket tournament, do not create false equivalences.

If no sport should happen in these times, then Pakistan should also come back from Zimbabwe and cancel the upcoming PSL in solidarity. Then, we can think about that.
Till then, thanks but no thanks for your fake concerns.

I have lost friends, distant family members in these tough times. But, the basic essence of life is, things have to move forward.

IPL is not only providing some sort of distraction from all this, it is also keeping the Workers in hotels, the chefs and hotel staff, busy and in their respective jobs. How do you think those people should be compensated for.

I didn't say no sport should happen.
No sport should happen at the epicentre of a crisis. You use the examples of Spain and Italy making merry in their apartments. Can you imagine how ludicrous and insensitive it would be if Barcelona and Madrid were playing in Camp Nou while those record deaths were going on? When in Italy truckloads of dead bodies were being carried out and resources were extremely low during that first wave of the pandemic, Juventus and Milan playing a game in Allianz stadium. India is in an even worse situation than that right now.

As far as Pakistan playing in Zimbabwe is concerned, they're not playing in a place where people are dying on the streets and graveyards are going full, bodies lined up for cremation. THATS INDIA.

No sporting should happen IN INDIA at this time, No LIVE FESTIVITIES or grand displays of celebration should be on display in this morbid time IN INDIA. Like cpt Rishwat says "This whole ethical angle of celebrity cricketers getting 5 star protection while ordinary Indians are struggling to find oxygen is going right over their heads." Don't need to act dense and claim it to be "fake concerns". It's pretty indefensible at this stage.

"The resources and money from Govt are going into that direction, as well as from Corporates as well.
This is just a cricket tournament, do not create false equivalences."- how're those resources working out? Obviously not well right? Lets throw in an unnecessary distraction that a game of cricket is being played right in our backyard while this is going on.

When bodies are lined up on one side of the street the other side of the street has a lighted up stadium where Harsha Patel is celebrating his first wicket of the match. Really puts in perspective the situation.

 

[Junaids]

Italy's world renowned health system fails, COVID deaths.. Italians support their people with people singing in their balconies.. playing music during hard times,
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and poetic.

India is going through tough times, Watching their favourite sport gives them some respite, some optimism to see through the tough times, and that too in a well managed bubble and tournament which is creating and sustaining jobs of hotel workers and staffs..

The reaction -- You guys are selfish, you guys are mad, why don't you cry everyday and just mourn. Why are you looking for some sense of happiness...

A bunch of hyprocrites.

Not at all.

Italian Serie A football was suspended from 9 March 2020 to 20 June 2020 at the height of the season because the Pandemic was out of control and it was offensive to the dead and the dying to allow people to conduct any non-essential activity outside their homes.

Spanish La Liga football was suspended from 12 March 2020 to 11 June 2020.

Certain Indians accuse the rest of the civilised world of being hypocrites when actually we are trying to hold you to the same standards of behaviour that we adhered to.

And when you fall short of the standards of behaviour that we adhered to, you suffer mass deaths and we are entitled to call you out for it.

Densely populated places and poor countries (eg Vietnam) have shown that this pandemic can be easily controlled, and so mass deaths like we have in India and Brazil are due to wilful bad decisions.

When you lose control of a pandemic you need to immediately stop all non-essential activities. Millionaires playing ball games is not an essential activity.

Millionaires playing ball games while masses of people are dying unnecessary deaths in the same town is just an obscenity.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Currently, 300+ deaths are happening in Italy , France and Germany too. None of these countries are shutting down their Football leagues. IPL shall continue too as long as safety protocol's are in place.

As far as I know France, Italy and Germany at the current time don't have dead bodies lined up for cremation, graveyards being filled, dead bodies on the street, health care resources depleted.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Well india has its own version of thali bajao diya jalao....u cn check it....the popular go corona go jumping dance.....

U can search it in youtube.....
To draw parallel with italy spain is rubbish becoz..

A. Population....the vast difference... In india it's like now 5 italy and 5 spain are burning at the moment....

B. At that time there was no Serie A or Laliga going on...if it had gone on then obviously there would have been hue and cry....like it's happening shamelessly in India...

C. If I used to coin the ter. Hypocrite ...then its those who blame farmers for Corona.....and all other things around the world for it except the indian Govt and it's failure to provide adequate health care facility even though it had gone through similar situation a year ago... The preparedness was simply not there...

The priorities of the govt are elsewhere

Just days ago Madras High Court has slammed the ECI....for conducting election in pandemic......saying the ECI officers are liable for murder charges...

Still a large section of Indians think all these are made to portray their PM in bad light...this are all Sajis....to humiliate their PM.....I don't know why it's a plan against Modi.....a person going to test gets a positive result if more such persons get positive result how it is to demean the govt ..

Italians never urged for serie A ......they entertain themselves......that's how it should be i hope it's clear now who r the real hypocrites

So just because we have more population in India, they should be devoid of any sort of entertainment in tough times.

What do you want them to do, Just get up in the morning, Cry, and then whole day just suffer in loneliness and just cry back and just live some kind of horrible life forever just because there is a tough period due to pandemic.

People need to be given hope, people need to be given reasons to cheer up and people need to be kept motivated to fight on.

This is a war, and even during War times you try your best to keep your people motivated.
The war is against an invisible enemy.

You are bringing politics here in the cricket thread with PM, go discuss in Time Pass not interested to discuss it here.

You have no skin in this, Just stand down and India will deal with it with the help of our friends.

Go watch PSL and be entertained. Don't worry about us.

 

[CrIc_Mystique]

Well india has its own version of thali bajao diya jalao....u cn check it....the popular go corona go jumping dance.....

U can search it in youtube.....
To draw parallel with italy spain is rubbish becoz..

A. Population....the vast difference... In india it's like now 5 italy and 5 spain are burning at the moment....

B. At that time there was no Serie A or Laliga going on...if it had gone on then obviously there would have been hue and cry....like it's happening shamelessly in India...

C. If I used to coin the ter. Hypocrite ...then its those who blame farmers for Corona.....and all other things around the world for it except the indian Govt and it's failure to provide adequate health care facility even though it had gone through similar situation a year ago... The preparedness was simply not there...

The priorities of the govt are elsewhere

Just days ago Madras High Court has slammed the ECI....for conducting election in pandemic......saying the ECI officers are liable for murder charges...

Still a large section of Indians think all these are made to portray their PM in bad light...this are all Sajis....to humiliate their PM.....I don't know why it's a plan against Modi.....a person going to test gets a positive result if more such persons get positive result how it is to demean the govt ..

Italians never urged for serie A ......they entertain themselves......that's how it should be i hope it's clear now who r the real hypocrites

The sentiment behind dia and thali is solidarity with the brave frontline workers. Unfortunately, it has been morphed, memed , cut copy pasted into several other things and other vdo's with other backgrounds and contexts which defeat the original purpose and give a totally different and opposite perspective....
Besides Dia's are lighted for dispelling darkness and by extension ignorance. No one said CV would go away from this.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

Not at all.

Italian Serie A football was suspended from 9 March 2020 to 20 June 2020 at the height of the season because the Pandemic was out of control and it was offensive to the dead and the dying to allow people to conduct any non-essential activity outside their homes.

Spanish La Liga football was suspended from 12 March 2020 to 11 June 2020.

Certain Indians accuse the rest of the civilised world of being hypocrites when actually we are trying to hold you to the same standards of behaviour that we adhered to.

And when you fall short of the standards of behaviour that we adhered to, you suffer mass deaths and we are entitled to call you out for it.

Densely populated places and poor countries (eg Vietnam) have shown that this pandemic can be easily controlled, and so mass deaths like we have in India and Brazil are due to wilful bad decisions.

When you lose control of a pandemic you need to immediately stop all non-essential activities. Millionaires playing ball games is not an essential activity.

Millionaires playing ball games while masses of people are dying unnecessary deaths in the same town is just an obscenity.

Keep your standards to yourselves.

IPL will go on and Indian people will watch it. It is between people of India and the cricketers.
Watching cricket gives them some hope. So be it.

Your civilised behaviour is on full display here where you want some point scoring against India and its people.

It is a pandemic, Health Systems have crashed in far richer countries like Spain, Italy and USA as well.
Did not see you teaching them how to deal with it.

There is no rulebook to deal with this once in a century event, but people are trying their best.

If watching cricket gives them some respite, and keeps the hotel workers and staff and ground staff related to cricket employed, Why the Hell Not shall we continue.
At least, some people are employed and able to support their families.

 

[naseem]

So just because we have more population in India, they should be devoid of any sort of entertainment in tough times.

What do you want them to do, Just get up in the morning, Cry, and then whole day just suffer in loneliness and just cry back and just live some kind of horrible life forever just because there is a tough period due to pandemic.

People need to be given hope, people need to be given reasons to cheer up and people need to be kept motivated to fight on.

This is a war, and even during War times you try your best to keep your people motivated.
The war is against an invisible enemy.

You are bringing politics here in the cricket thread with PM, go discuss in Time Pass not interested to discuss it here.

You have no skin in this, Just stand down and India will deal with it with the help of our friends.

Go watch PSL and be entertained. Don't worry about us.

I am not the first person to bring politics here ....u know better...

2nd....there r many ways to keep urself and ur neighbours motivated..... Netflix Amazon watching old movies....dramas on youtube.....

Doing video call.....or for a muslim...it's time to introspect.....know what r the good habits in u...what r the bad habits.....recite duas tasbih....

Who is jealous of what is evident by ur last comment go and enjoy PSL...

ANYWAY GET WELL SOON

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

The crux of the issue on this thread is,

PCB completely botched up PSL in much better situation.
BCCI is thoroughly professional and competent and such hard times and they are taking care of everything.

This fact is not acceptable to few , and reeks of hypocrisy and jealousy.

 

[Sunzi]

The Premier League along with all major sporting leagues and international events (WT20 Aus / Euros etc) were cancelled with far less numbers than India is currently experiencing - bubble or not, there is clearly a problem there and whilst I enjoy watching the IPL, personally, and still feel that as dangerous as COVID is, recovery is statistically around 98% - I think they should postpone it with the situation India finds itself in.

 

[Junaids]

Keep your standards to yourselves.

IPL will go on and Indian people will watch it. It is between people of India and the cricketers.
Watching cricket gives them some hope. So be it.

Your civilised behaviour is on full display here where you want some point scoring against India and its people.

It is a pandemic, Health Systems have crashed in far richer countries like Spain, Italy and USA as well.
Did not see you teaching them how to deal with it.

There is no rulebook to deal with this once in a century event, but people are trying their best.

If watching cricket gives them some respite, and keeps the hotel workers and staff and ground staff related to cricket employed, Why the Hell Not shall we continue.
At least, some people are employed and able to support their families.

There absolutely is a rule book for managing a pandemic and we all got taught it at medical school.

Close borders
Impose internal borders
Mandatory isolation
Work subsidies to stop the sick from leaving the home.

Australia, New Zealand, Taiwan and even Vietnam are doing this and thriving. Western Australia and Queensland currently have the world’s Number 1 and Number 3 economies.

India, like Trump’s USA, decided to defy the rulebook and they brought mass deaths on themselves. This is actually the biggest avoidable humanitarian catastrophe in India since the 1943-44 Bengal Famine.

Do you think that Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah would have been supportive if the colonial authorities had decided to host the (cancelled) 1944 Ashes between Australia and England in Calcutta and Dacca during the Famine?

Because that is PRECISELY analogous to playing the IPL right now.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The crux of the issue on this thread is,

PCB completely botched up PSL in much better situation.
BCCI is thoroughly professional and competent and such hard times and they are taking care of everything.

This fact is not acceptable to few , and reeks of hypocrisy and jealousy.

You keep bringing PSL in this conversation and use it as a means to justify that our points come from a place of 'jealousy' and 'hypocrisy' when in reality you have failed to rationalise any counterarguments to me or Junaids or Cpt Rishwat. I don't even watch PSL and never did I give a **** about league cricket or nor will I ever. Now what do you have to say?
Just because you realise we are starting to make sense...you use this jealousy excuse, which is hilarious in it's own right, to undermine our arguments? Stop acting like a child.

 

[naseem]

The crux of the issue on this thread is,

PCB completely botched up PSL in much better situation.
BCCI is thoroughly professional and competent and such hard times and they are taking care of everything.

This fact is not acceptable to few , and reeks of hypocrisy and jealousy.

I have said earlier it's evident who is jealous of whom...
Get well soon

 

[Junaids]

Do you think that Gandhi, Nehru and Jinnah would have been supportive if the colonial authorities had decided to host the (cancelled) 1944 Ashes between Australia and England in Calcutta and Dacca during the Famine?

Because that is PRECISELY analogous to playing the IPL right now.

Well I can guess what [MENTION=152959]hoshiarpurexpress[/MENTION] and [MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] would have said if England and Australia had tried to do this:

“The players wouldn’t be eating food which would otherwise have gone to the starving”.

“The Indian public shouldn’t be deprived of the chance to watch Bradman and Hutton and Miller, they need some joy in their lives during a Famine”.

“No foreigners should be telling us that we can’t watch cricket in a Famine while people are dying just outside the stadium”.

 

[90MPH]

The “Jealousy” arguement and of course comparisons made with Pakistan have to come in when it’s nothing to do with either.

As stated in the thread It’s all about morals and resources in a country that doesn’t have enough beds and oxygen for those that are suffering badly in many states, trust me no one cares or gives a damn about this meaningless circus 20/20 tournament going on right now if it gets postponed for one month weather it’s Pakistanis criticising the Indian government that abandoned their people and ther inept handling of this current wave or everyone else outside India doing the same. I’m sure they are jealous too, right ?

What happened with PSL was unfortunate but all it took was one person to breach the bubble and it stopped the tournament. They the PCB got lambasted for it rightfully so but the comparison is absurd because we are not talking about beaching the bubble in this case but the human catastrophe that is happening yet some of you just want to do cheap point scoring.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=152959]hoshiarpurexpress[/MENTION]

Kapil Dev with his views.

Is he jealous too? Your entire argument that people are saying this because of jealousy is ludicrous and stupid.

 

[krikit]

I don't agree with postponing IPL unless there's an actual COVID breakout inside the bubble. However, some of the responses from the Indian posters are shocking here.

I don't know what kind of spell Modi and the BJP government have cast on even educated Indians that they'll go to any lengths to defend them. Any criticism of the government from their fellow citizens is regarded as treason and any reportage of facts is labeled fake news. I really feel for the dissenters among you. It must be rather catastrophic in there.

I hope you guys come out of it.

I am sure there are a number of Pakistani posters here who are reasonable even if they may not like India and even want it to fail.

What I hope such posters do is to try to take into cognizance about how the reporting on India is being conducted especially by the foreign media and how they might not be getting the real truth.

When each and every report on India is peppered with reference to Modi's failings with as colorful language being used to describe it and as much attention is being paid to the BJP ruled states while the real hotspots are kept in as much dark as possible and the genuinely disastrous handling of Oxygen procurement by the Modi opposition (just have a look at the Kejri admin being lambasted by the Delhi HC) is entirely ignored; surely you can see there are greater motivations behind the pandemic porn the international media is feeding you guys. Particularly given that the same media was painting the same disaster images when Modi enforced the first lockdown well before most western countries, again only to criticize him. They weren't complaining about the complete bungling of corona handing by Modi when the Punjab farmers were out en masse in protest against him, they were still training their guns on Modi and supporting the farmers protest.

One has to be completely blind to miss the obvious agenda that these people have. And that includes Indian opposition to Modi and their entire apparatus.

Things aren't good here, nobody is in denial of that, but they have been pretty bad in the rest of world too. Running out of ICU beds, people dying in giant clusters, mass burials have happened in the rest of the world, including the developed world as well. If you want I can bring you those stories as well though they wouldn't be very hard to find. It is only the fault of the leaders when they happen to be of a certain political dispensation.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I now see the trap that the pro-establishment Indians have lured me into, and I’m not going to fall for it.

I have produced seven citations from reputable newspapers in six different countries.

They have cited a total of eleven different cities and states in India in which under-reporting is at a minimum level of 50% (1 article said “two to five times underreported) and in most cases is at levels over 90%.

It’s clear what you are trying to do, but I have no interest in playing “Myanmar General News Discrediting Strategy” with you.

1. Report grossly minimised “official” death numbers.

2. Challenge people who don’t accept the doctored figures to cite their own numbers.

3. Decry their numbers as “unofficial”.

4. Claim that their sources are:
a) Imperialist westerners.
b) Leftists with an agenda
c) Speculative and unproven.

5. Present it as a dispute with two equally plausible sides.

Using your strategy six million Jews did not die in the Holocaust. Stalin barely killed anyone.

But remember this. The USA has a quarter of India’s population. Its peak was 4,000 deaths per day, and it didn’t have patients unable to be admitted to hospital, or sharing beds, or running out of oxygen.

For the record, based upon those facts plus the multiple sources in multiple Indian cities that I provided, I think that around six days ago the daily death count probably surpassed 20,000 per day in India.

And I suspect that it is now at least 50,000 per day currently, and that I am erring on the side of caution with such a low figure, given the evidence in terms of funeral pyres and obituaries for the middle class victims.

And this is a cricket thread! How can we be in the monstrous situation in which anyone is seriously contemplating playing sport amidst this? You might as well play the next round of the IPL in Yangon in front of the Burmese generals!

Post a credible source that says 20k deaths in India. Your model opinion calculations are not a credible source.

Else as always, you are outed as a liar.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I am sure there are a number of Pakistani posters here who are reasonable even if they may not like India and even want it to fail.

What I hope such posters do is to try to take into cognizance about how the reporting on India is being conducted especially by the foreign media and how they might not be getting the real truth.

When each and every report on India is peppered with reference to Modi's failings with as colorful language being used to describe it and as much attention is being paid to the BJP ruled states while the real hotspots are kept in as much dark as possible and the genuinely disastrous handling of Oxygen procurement by the Modi opposition (just have a look at the Kejri admin being lambasted by the Delhi HC) is entirely ignored; surely you can see there are greater motivations behind the pandemic porn the international media is feeding you guys. Particularly given that the same media was painting the same disaster images when Modi enforced the first lockdown well before most western countries, again only to criticize him. They weren't complaining about the complete bungling of corona handing by Modi when the Punjab farmers were out en masse in protest against him, they were still training their guns on Modi and supporting the farmers protest.

One has to be completely blind to miss the obvious agenda that these people have. And that includes Indian opposition to Modi and their entire apparatus.

Things aren't good here, nobody is in denial of that, but they have been pretty bad in the rest of world too. Running out of ICU beds, people dying in giant clusters, mass burials have happened in the rest of the world, including the developed world as well. If you want I can bring you those stories as well though they wouldn't be very hard to find. It is only the fault of the leaders when they happen to be of a certain political dispensation.

Keep politics aside. IPL continuing is basically capitalism, hiding under the guise of 'making people happy' while not-so-subtly mocking humanity and I can't believe people are falling for it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I am sure there are a number of Pakistani posters here who are reasonable even if they may not like India and even want it to fail.

What I hope such posters do is to try to take into cognizance about how the reporting on India is being conducted especially by the foreign media and how they might not be getting the real truth.

When each and every report on India is peppered with reference to Modi's failings with as colorful language being used to describe it and as much attention is being paid to the BJP ruled states while the real hotspots are kept in as much dark as possible and the genuinely disastrous handling of Oxygen procurement by the Modi opposition (just have a look at the Kejri admin being lambasted by the Delhi HC) is entirely ignored; surely you can see there are greater motivations behind the pandemic porn the international media is feeding you guys. Particularly given that the same media was painting the same disaster images when Modi enforced the first lockdown well before most western countries, again only to criticize him. They weren't complaining about the complete bungling of corona handing by Modi when the Punjab farmers were out en masse in protest against him, they were still training their guns on Modi and supporting the farmers protest.

One has to be completely blind to miss the obvious agenda that these people have. And that includes Indian opposition to Modi and their entire apparatus.

Things aren't good here, nobody is in denial of that, but they have been pretty bad in the rest of world too. Running out of ICU beds, people dying in giant clusters, mass burials have happened in the rest of the world, including the developed world as well. If you want I can bring you those stories as well though they wouldn't be very hard to find. It is only the fault of the leaders when they happen to be of a certain political dispensation.

The western media has fallen to such depths that they are posting pictures of something as private as funeral pyres of the dead.

Pakistanis dont like Modi. The leftist media doesn't like a right wing nationalist PM in India, many western Ngos have had their wings clipped in India. Finally they get an opportunity to target Modi, even though its not wholly his fault.

Modi managed the 1st wave ok. But the media was more interested in showing hardships of migrants due to lock down. Modi was criticized.

This time he left the lockdown decisions etc to states. Many states failed. Again he is held responsible.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Keep politics aside. IPL continuing is basically capitalism, hiding under the guise of 'making people happy' while not-so-subtly mocking humanity and I can't believe people are falling for it.

That is your opinion. Millions of Indians are watching the ipl daily.

Guess whose opinion matters.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

That is your opinion. Millions of Indians are watching the ipl daily.

Guess whose opinion matters.

Did you see Kapil Dev's views? I'm sure there are Indians like him who disagree as well. There opinions are just as valid. But hey as long as the money hungry owners are getting their fix and not losing money I don't think they care...

 

[IMMY69]

I am sure there are a number of Pakistani posters here who are reasonable even if they may not like India and even want it to fail.

What I hope such posters do is to try to take into cognizance about how the reporting on India is being conducted especially by the foreign media and how they might not be getting the real truth.

When each and every report on India is peppered with reference to Modi's failings with as colorful language being used to describe it and as much attention is being paid to the BJP ruled states while the real hotspots are kept in as much dark as possible and the genuinely disastrous handling of Oxygen procurement by the Modi opposition (just have a look at the Kejri admin being lambasted by the Delhi HC) is entirely ignored; surely you can see there are greater motivations behind the pandemic porn the international media is feeding you guys. Particularly given that the same media was painting the same disaster images when Modi enforced the first lockdown well before most western countries, again only to criticize him. They weren't complaining about the complete bungling of corona handing by Modi when the Punjab farmers were out en masse in protest against him, they were still training their guns on Modi and supporting the farmers protest.

One has to be completely blind to miss the obvious agenda that these people have. And that includes Indian opposition to Modi and their entire apparatus.

Things aren't good here, nobody is in denial of that, but they have been pretty bad in the rest of world too. Running out of ICU beds, people dying in giant clusters, mass burials have happened in the rest of the world, including the developed world as well. If you want I can bring you those stories as well though they wouldn't be very hard to find. It is only the fault of the leaders when they happen to be of a certain political dispensation.[/QUOTE

Yes shortages of beds and equipment happened in other countries but there wasn't a large tournament involving international players going on at that time and if it there was it would have been cancelled or postponed. Why? Because for one thing it's extremely insensitive.

So there is no hypocrisy here.

With regards to the western media, some of us have friends and family in India too and we also go by what they tell us. This has already been brought up in the Timepass section. So don't make this a Pakistan Vs India battle. That can recommence once these desperate times are behind us all.

 

[krikit]

Keep politics aside. IPL continuing is basically capitalism, hiding under the guise of 'making people happy' while not-so-subtly mocking humanity and I can't believe people are falling for it.

It is capitalism for the people involved but you and I are not making any money from it. For us its just another source of entertainment which we may choose to consume or not.

Is it hogging vital resources that could be better deployed elsewhere? Possibly, and if it does, that would be a valid reason to cancel it. But it would have to be demonstrated and proven that the resources being spent here would be better off being used elsewhere.

The way I see it, we have a shortage of Oxygen, Remdesivir, beds and doctors. The only thing that could be potentially gained by cancelling the IPL are the doctors and medical workers though they may not all want to go and work in the actual hotspots. So the people who want it to be cancelled first need to prove that IPL can contribute useful resources before they argue that it be cancelled.

There are always weddings and cremations happening around the world, everyday at the same time. It doesn't mean that the people celebrating are mocking the dead.

You may choose to believe that the IPL doesn't provide any mental health benefit to anyone and instead focus your thoughts on those that are grieving and the disaster that is unfolding. But I would not recommend you do that if you are placed under isolation, at home or at a cheap skanky hotel.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

I am sure there are a number of Pakistani posters here who are reasonable even if they may not like India and even want it to fail.

What I hope such posters do is to try to take into cognizance about how the reporting on India is being conducted especially by the foreign media and how they might not be getting the real truth.

When each and every report on India is peppered with reference to Modi's failings with as colorful language being used to describe it and as much attention is being paid to the BJP ruled states while the real hotspots are kept in as much dark as possible and the genuinely disastrous handling of Oxygen procurement by the Modi opposition (just have a look at the Kejri admin being lambasted by the Delhi HC) is entirely ignored; surely you can see there are greater motivations behind the pandemic porn the international media is feeding you guys. Particularly given that the same media was painting the same disaster images when Modi enforced the first lockdown well before most western countries, again only to criticize him. They weren't complaining about the complete bungling of corona handing by Modi when the Punjab farmers were out en masse in protest against him, they were still training their guns on Modi and supporting the farmers protest.

One has to be completely blind to miss the obvious agenda that these people have. And that includes Indian opposition to Modi and their entire apparatus.

Things aren't good here, nobody is in denial of that, but they have been pretty bad in the rest of world too. Running out of ICU beds, people dying in giant clusters, mass burials have happened in the rest of the world, including the developed world as well. If you want I can bring you those stories as well though they wouldn't be very hard to find. It is only the fault of the leaders when they happen to be of a certain political dispensation.[/QUOTE

Yes shortages of beds and equipment happened in other countries but there wasn't a large tournament involving international players going on at that time and if it there was it would have been cancelled or postponed. Why? Because for one thing it's extremely insensitive.

So there is no hypocrisy here.

With regards to the western media, some of us have friends and family in India too and we also go by what they tell us. This has already been brought up in the Timepass section. So don't make this a Pakistan Vs India battle. That can recommence once these desperate times are behind us all.

I don't understand why this thread became so political, why it turned into Pakistan vs India, why PSLs failures were dragged in.

The bottom line was, should this cricket tournament be continued in a place where there's a severe active health crisis going on leading to the deaths of 1000s a day, mainly due to the fact that the health care system is depleted and unable to catch up.

And the sane answer is YES, it should be postponed. However, WHY India is in this situation is not the topic of discussion.

 

[krikit]

People who don't want politics involved should also take issue with all the random attacks on 'the establishment, Modi, Sanghis' etc who are initiating all the political discussions in the first place.

 

[Last Monetarist]

You may choose to believe that the IPL doesn't provide any mental health benefit to anyone and instead focus your thoughts on those that are grieving and the disaster that is unfolding. But I would not recommend you do that if you are placed under isolation, at home or at a cheap skanky hotel.

This is the main point for me, and I can only speak from a personal perspective.

Grief is pernicious and inexpressibly suffocating, each individual has to deal with it in their own way. I don't think generalization can apply; cancelling or continuing the IPL will leave a different impression on each individual suffering from grief.

I would rather focus on the positive aspects of the IPL in potentially helping those in isolation, it's a domestic event primarily for an Indian audience, and one needs to appreciate the Indian perspective rather than espouse western values in this context.

Practical considerations need to be foremost, if resources utilized by the IPL can be diverted to fighting the pandemic, then I'm all for postponement. The grubby state of reality indicates otherwise, the BCCI will not suddenly allocate all these resources to the health sector out of sheer morality. The idea that the IPL is only being played due to monetary considerations is correct, it's naive to presume otherwise.

Nonetheless, the BCCI and the players involved in the IPL definitely need to do more in showing solidarity with those that are suffering. Again the response needs to have practical value (donating a significant percentage of proceeds to the relief effort) for it to create any fundamental impact in fighting the pandemic. The backlash is justifiable if they continue to play the fiddle while the city burns around them.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

It is capitalism for the people involved but you and I are not making any money from it. For us its just another source of entertainment which we may choose to consume or not.

Is it hogging vital resources that could be better deployed elsewhere? Possibly, and if it does, that would be a valid reason to cancel it. But it would have to be demonstrated and proven that the resources being spent here would be better off being used elsewhere.

The way I see it, we have a shortage of Oxygen, Remdesivir, beds and doctors. The only thing that could be potentially gained by cancelling the IPL are the doctors and medical workers though they may not all want to go and work in the actual hotspots. So the people who want it to be cancelled first need to prove that IPL can contribute useful resources before they argue that it be cancelled.

There are always weddings and cremations happening around the world, everyday at the same time. It doesn't mean that the people celebrating are mocking the dead.

You may choose to believe that the IPL doesn't provide any mental health benefit to anyone and instead focus your thoughts on those that are grieving and the disaster that is unfolding. But I would not recommend you do that if you are placed under isolation, at home or at a cheap skanky hotel.

Again, I have explained this before.
GRAND displays of celebration or GRAND festivities-such as a bat and ball game tournament should not be played in the epicenter of a MASS natural disaster which is affecting a VERY LARGE portion of the population. It is in very bad taste. It is not comparable to a wedding taking place while a minor incident occured on the other part of town. This is something which can affect anyone at anytime and there are millions of people who are in need of help in the area.

There are other forms of NONLIVE entertainment that can keep the minds busy.
Imagine if the Newyork Nicks and the Lakers decided to play a ball game in Madison square garden in the middle of Manhattan while the virus was ravaging through Newyork city during the first wave of the virus. When hospital beds were being placed in Central Park and bodies were placed in ship containers.
How is that different from the IPL taking place in Delhi this time around?
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds and looks.
In terms of mental health, is this not taking a toll on the players mental health? Please go through Kapil's explanation. It will probably serve better explaining it. There's a reason so many have backed out already and I'm sure many more will follow.

 

[OMB]

I would prefer BCCI and IPL franchisee show solidarity by supporting families of Covid victims financially.
and also use the massive media coverage of this tournament to advertise precautions.

Cancelling IPL should be done only if the bubble is breached beyond repair.
We all have lost people to Covid and don't find IPL to be hurting our sensitivities.
For those who are hurt, they can do something else to alleviate it or turn into an opportunity. No point in sending moral discourses as people know what they need and what they want.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

People who don't want politics involved should also take issue with all the random attacks on 'the establishment, Modi, Sanghis' etc who are initiating all the political discussions in the first place.

This goes both ways. Politics is not the topic of discussion here.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Imagine if the Newyork Nicks and the Lakers decided to play a ball game in Madison square garden in the middle of Manhattan while the virus was ravaging through Newyork city during the first wave of the virus. When hospital beds were being placed in Central Park and bodies were placed in ship containers.
How is that different from the IPL taking place in Delhi this time around?
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds and looks.

What is the rebuttal to this.

 

[Pakpak]

Italy's world renowned health system fails, COVID deaths.. Italians support their people with people singing in their balconies.. playing music during hard times,
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and poetic.

Spains system crashes, Spanish people and sing and dance in apartment complexes to keep people motivated.
The reaction -- Aww, how brave and heart warming.

India is going through tough times, Watching their favourite sport gives them some respite, some optimism to see through the tough times, and that too in a well managed bubble and tournament which is creating and sustaining jobs of hotel workers and staffs..

The reaction -- You guys are selfish, you guys are mad, why don't you cry everyday and just mourn. Why are you looking for some sense of happiness...

A bunch of hyprocrites.

I knew countless Italians, some personally, who used to tell me how Italy was closed down and how they couldn't even get to the grocery store to get milk, never mind sports. I remember a lot of them missed entire year of their degree. I remember one told me how police patrolled his area to make sure noone broke any rules or curfews.

What on earth are you on about?

 

[IMMY69]

Just watching this lying BBC News.
A special report on the situation in India.

"Deaths crossing 200k"

"Hospitals overflowing"

"Shortage of beds and oxygen"

"Cremations and burials in every city are non stop and fear is deaths are even higher than what is being reported".

How can the BBC make up so much rubbish? They even interviewing poor people giving their own experiences so they've even managed to find Indian people who are willing to lie.

360,000 new cases in last 24 hours

 

[Junaids]

Post a credible source that says 20k deaths in India. Your model opinion calculations are not a credible source.

Else as always, you are outed as a liar.

I provided the evidence to support my argument and I issued you with two Show Cause notices, and I note that you have failed to address either.
[MENTION=153021]krikit[/MENTION]
Firstly, I hope you are recovering well. It’s fine for us all to debate, but first things first, I wish you the best of health and a full recovery.

Secondly, I am rather like Gary Lineker with his tweet. I’m neither Indian nor Pakistani, and my allegiances in the subcontinent are actually pan-Bengal allegiances.

India is a democracy, so I couldn’t care less whether Modi is a liberal intellectual or a nationalist demogogue. The problem for me is that Vietnam has shown that poor countries with huge populations can control this and keep their economies on track, and India has failed. And yes, I recognise that state governments of varying parties are doctoring their statistics as badly as the BJP is.

India in 2021 is in a worse version of where Italy and Spain and England were exactly 12 months ago.

The difference is that they stopped all non-essential activity to protect lives, and they suspended all professional sport. But India is failing in its duty to its people to do so.

 

[Junaids]

Else as always, you are outed as a liar.

If this rule-breaching insult refers to the Siraj case, let me just correct you.

The NSW Police and the Director of Public Prosecutions have both determined that there is no case for anyone to answer regarding racial abuse at the Sydney Test. The lack of charges means that it did not happen.

All we have is a supine and economically- dependent Cricket Australia saying what the BCCI wants to hear, even though they know that it has been disproven by the duly deputised legal bodies.

 

[naseem]

Just watching this lying BBC News.
A special report on the situation in India.

"Deaths crossing 200k"

"Hospitals overflowing"

"Shortage of beds and oxygen"

"Cremations and burials in every city are non stop and fear is deaths are even higher than what is being reported".

How can the BBC make up so much rubbish? They even interviewing poor people giving their own experiences so they've even managed to find Indian people who are willing to lie.

360,000 new cases in last 24 hours

Yes it's exactly 3.6 lakhs plus new cases every year...
And situation is grim in most places...
It's reality....
Move on from daily indian news channel.....
Except NDTV all are proGovt biased channel

 

[gazza619]

Just watching this lying BBC News.
A special report on the situation in India.

"Deaths crossing 200k"

"Hospitals overflowing"

"Shortage of beds and oxygen"

"Cremations and burials in every city are non stop and fear is deaths are even higher than what is being reported".

How can the BBC make up so much rubbish? They even interviewing poor people giving their own experiences so they've even managed to find Indian people who are willing to lie.

360,000 new cases in last 24 hours

Do you know what, let Indians be happy in their so called safe heaven. If they are OK with it then what can we do. We will be constantly called jealous.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The whole argument is:
Why are Indians wasting a few hundred testing kits on cricketers when they could use it for testing their people.

Now this can only be a concern if people of India are not getting tested due to shortage of kits, which is a non issue considering everyone who wants to test can easily get it done.

This is just another troll thread, nothing more.
Players are safer in bubble than they are at their residence and any player who wants to leave can easily do so.

People are spending time on forums, OTT platforms etc etc, what's wrong if the same time is spent in watching IPL?

We can't seek pleasure of IPL while country is in crisis but we can watch movies and play games and what not.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Again a lot of IPL supporters on here are Indians who are failing to look at this situation from the outside in. Once they place themselves in the shoes of countries who have unfortunately been in crisis before them do the realise how ridiculous some of their claims are.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

The whole argument is:
Why are Indians wasting a few hundred testing kits on cricketers when they could use it for testing their people.

Now this can only be a concern if people of India are not getting tested due to shortage of kits, which is a non issue considering everyone who wants to test can easily get it done.

This is just another troll thread, nothing more.
Players are safer in bubble than they are at their residence and any player who wants to leave can easily do so.

People are spending time on forums, OTT platforms etc etc, what's wrong if the same time is spent in watching IPL?

We can't seek pleasure of IPL while country is in crisis but we can watch movies and play games and what not.

That is not the only argument here brother. Please view the link I posted with Kapil talking about it.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

The NSW Police and the Director of Public Prosecutions have both determined that there is no case for anyone to answer regarding racial abuse at the Sydney Test. The lack of charges means that it did not happen.
.

Yeah it's that easy to find if someone from a random bunch of crowd actually abused Siraj. How can they even determine that.?lol

 

[TheNightWatchman]

Imagine if the Newyork Knicks and the Lakers decided to play a ball game in Madison square garden in the middle of Manhattan while the virus was ravaging through Newyork city during the first wave of the virus. When hospital beds were being placed in Central Park and bodies were placed in ship containers.
How is that different from the IPL taking place in Delhi this time around?
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds and looks.

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=152959]hoshiarpurexpress[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] [MENTION=153021]krikit[/MENTION] [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]
and others defending the continuation of the league...please explain.

 

[naseem]

The whole argument is:
Why are Indians wasting a few hundred testing kits on cricketers when they could use it for testing their people.

Now this can only be a concern if people of India are not getting tested due to shortage of kits, which is a non issue considering everyone who wants to test can easily get it done.

This is just another troll thread, nothing more.
Players are safer in bubble than they are at their residence and any player who wants to leave can easily do so.

People are spending time on forums, OTT platforms etc etc, what's wrong if the same time is spent in watching IPL?

We can't seek pleasure of IPL while country is in crisis but we can watch movies and play games and what not.

The difference between watching OTT and IPL....is that IPL is happening in present in your country where the corona crisis has reached new heights......each day bringing a new horror story

The difference is in perspective

 

[Thanos]

Yes it's exactly 3.6 lakhs plus new cases every year...
And situation is grim in most places...
It's reality....
Move on from daily indian news channel.....
Except NDTV all are proGovt biased channel

NDTV is as bad as Republic TV and Ravish kumar is just another Arnab Goswami with different presentation skills.
The truth is all news channels are either Pro govt or Anti govt.
They switch sides from anti to pro and vice versa when Govt changes.

 

[krikit]

What is the rebuttal to this.

This is the main point for me, and I can only speak from a personal perspective.

Grief is pernicious and inexpressibly suffocating, each individual has to deal with it in their own way. I don't think generalization can apply; cancelling or continuing the IPL will leave a different impression on each individual suffering from grief.

I would rather focus on the positive aspects of the IPL in potentially helping those in isolation, it's a domestic event primarily for an Indian audience, and one needs to appreciate the Indian perspective rather than espouse western values in this context.

Practical considerations need to be foremost, if resources utilized by the IPL can be diverted to fighting the pandemic, then I'm all for postponement. The grubby state of reality indicates otherwise, the BCCI will not suddenly allocate all these resources to the health sector out of sheer morality. The idea that the IPL is only being played due to monetary considerations is correct, it's naive to presume otherwise.

Nonetheless, the BCCI and the players involved in the IPL definitely need to do more in showing solidarity with those that are suffering. Again the response needs to have practical value (donating a significant percentage of proceeds to the relief effort) for it to create any fundamental impact in fighting the pandemic. The backlash is justifiable if they continue to play the fiddle while the city burns around them.

Yes. Agreed with everything.

I provided the evidence to support my argument and I issued you with two Show Cause notices, and I note that you have failed to address either.

[MENTION=153021]krikit[/MENTION]
Firstly, I hope you are recovering well. It’s fine for us all to debate, but first things first, I wish you the best of health and a full recovery.

Secondly, I am rather like Gary Lineker with his tweet. I’m neither Indian nor Pakistani, and my allegiances in the subcontinent are actually pan-Bengal allegiances.

India is a democracy, so I couldn’t care less whether Modi is a liberal intellectual or a nationalist demogogue. The problem for me is that Vietnam has shown that poor countries with huge populations can control this and keep their economies on track, and India has failed. And yes, I recognise that state governments of varying parties are doctoring their statistics as badly as the BJP is.

India in 2021 is in a worse version of where Italy and Spain and England were exactly 12 months ago.

The difference is that they stopped all non-essential activity to protect lives, and they suspended all professional sport. But India is failing in its duty to its people to do so.

Thank you very much for your wishes. I have a mild version of it and should be free shortly.

India did stop everything just like the rest of the world and with much greater success compared to western countries with much less population density and advanced healthcare systems. Last year the IPL was indefinitely postponed before moving to the UAE 4 months after its regularly allotted time. And with everything else, there was strong criticism for each lockdown and all the restrictions as well from the same group of people.

And that is when it was determined that the lockdown could not go on indefinitely because there was an equally terrible consequence being suffered by people who didn't have any jobs, money or food. And that is why things were slowly opened up and people started going back to their normal lives. States were given the responsibility to manage Corona and were given the resources they needed which was the first mistake.

Right now, we are trying to cut down as few non-essential activities with positive economic impact as possible because the economic disaster we have already suffered last year. The IPL is indeed non-essential and its economic impact is not massive in terms of employment, but equally it is not harming anyone. At least not in demonstrably tangible ways. So it is not as incredulous an opinion to continue with it right now as it may seem.

Again, I have explained this before.
GRAND displays of celebration or GRAND festivities-such as a bat and ball game tournament should not be played in the epicenter of a MASS natural disaster which is affecting a VERY LARGE portion of the population. It is in very bad taste. It is not comparable to a wedding taking place while a minor incident occured on the other part of town. This is something which can affect anyone at anytime and there are millions of people who are in need of help in the area.

There are other forms of NONLIVE entertainment that can keep the minds busy.
Imagine if the Newyork Nicks and the Lakers decided to play a ball game in Madison square garden in the middle of Manhattan while the virus was ravaging through Newyork city during the first wave of the virus. When hospital beds were being placed in Central Park and bodies were placed in ship containers.
How is that different from the IPL taking place in Delhi this time around?
Do you understand how ridiculous it sounds and looks.
In terms of mental health, is this not taking a toll on the players mental health? Please go through Kapil's explanation. It will probably serve better explaining it. There's a reason so many have backed out already and I'm sure many more will follow.

You consider the death of a person as a 'minor incident occurring in the other part of town' yet try to call out the IPL for its insensitivity. It is not a 'GRAND FESTIVITY' for anyone other than those watching on TV. There are no crowds taking part in this giant festival. Its just a bunch of men playing cricket in a stadium.

The IPL was also postponed during the first wave, but it cannot be postponed indefinitely. Yes its not a good look for the IPL to be played in places where the hospital infrastructure is in such a state and if they were to schedule it now, Delhi and Mumbai would obviously get the boot and I'd rather they move away from atleast those 2 cities rn anyway but if they can't then I'm fine with it continuing as it is. It is not affecting anyone, the bubble is airtight and at least it is still providing a distraction to hundreds of millions and employment to another hundred.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION] [MENTION=152959]hoshiarpurexpress[/MENTION] [MENTION=146232]jeeteshssaxena[/MENTION] [MENTION=153021]krikit[/MENTION] [MENTION=139595]Ab Fan[/MENTION]
and others defending the continuation of the league...please explain.

What a stupid argument to make.

Is IPL blocking any ventilators and beds.. No ?
Is is hindering the Testing in Country ? Already rebutted above by [MENTION=138244]kirkit[/MENTION] and absolutely no.

Situation is harrowing in India.. It is a war like situation. But the Bio Secure bubble is tight and maintained pretty well.
It is offering some sort of respite the people in the country to take away their mind off the daily news of deaths around.

What do you want people in India to do ? Everyone just sits at home, do nothing all day.. Do not watch anything on TV and just waits for his turn or cries back to bed.

This can happen in any country, any place and even far much developed countries Like USA/Italy/Spain struggled with this.
China did not even bothered to show any visuals/share data, god knows what happened to those poor millions of chinese people.

What you are railing on Indians is completely out of your personal agenda of just some political point scoring, to just tell us that look your poor and sick indians.. You do not deserve any sort of happiness or some sort of entertainment and motivation to look forward to your day.

I have lost 4 distant Uncles in past few weeks. It is not because of IPL or those cricketers trying to put some smile on our Sad faces. Understand that.

I am mourning, But I am allowed to watch some positive things on TV, or some entertainment, right, to get by my day and get my mind off the worrying situations in India.

And, you are continuously referring to it as some sort of party, when it clearly is not. Grounds are empty, players are doing there jobs and some positive things to see and watch and hear on TV instead of just listening to sad news all day around.

It just gives some positivity in a grim situation. Let it be.
Hopefully you understand.

 

[TheNightWatchman]

What a stupid argument to make.

Is IPL blocking any ventilators and beds.. No ?
Is is hindering the Testing in Country ? Already rebutted above by [MENTION=138244]kirkit[/MENTION] and absolutely no.


This can happen in any country, any place and even far much developed countries Like USA/Italy/Spain struggled with this.
China did not even bothered to show any visuals/share data, god knows what happened to those poor millions of chinese people.

What you are railing on Indians is completely out of your personal agenda of just some political point scoring, to just tell us that look your poor and sick indians.. You do not deserve any sort of happiness or some sort of entertainment and motivation to look forward to your day.

I will answer these 3 points in turn.
1-They aren't. [MENTION=153021]krikit[/MENTION] didn't rebut anything, instead he rather agreed that it shouldn't take place there and that it is not a good look. Read through that comment again.
2-This can happen in any country? It has but did Series A continue when health care systems overflowed in Italy and record deaths were being recorded? Did Laliga? No they got postponed
3- Railing on Indians due to personal agenda? This is exactly why I posted a video of Kapil Dev saying th exact same argument I have been saying. So you think it's not some anti India agenda. That this is common sense to stop the IPL. Watch the Kapil Dev video again. Everything he's said is what I've been saying.

 

[hoshiarpurexpress]

This is my last post on this thread. Sorry to all if some of my views rankled anyone.

I am a bit rankled personally by all the negative news around, especially in my near family back in India.

My only point is, if some thing, like a movie, a TV show, or a cricket match is providing some positivity to people in such difficult times, just let it be as long as it is safe.

Everyone, please take care of your health, especially mental health first and foremost in these tough times.

I pray for everyone and hopefully COVID gets eliminated, so that we all can go back to good things about this world.
Peace and Love.

 

[Thanos]

I am someone who thinks IPL should be stopped on moral grounds but on second thought believe it's keeping people at home and reducing the spread.
Now if you say there are other ways for entertainment like Netflix, Amazon, movies etc. Well you can't control start/stop of live matches but with movies on OTT, you can always decide when to watch. If people were that deciplined in staying at home and watching movies, we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.
There something about live matches that it makes you sit in front of tv and watch.

Let me share my personal experience -
I live in society of ~175 flats and we had almost 25 flats with corona cases few days ago. And numbers were just increasing. Society committee decided to put few rules and restrictions and one rule is 'No walk in the park/premise in evening is allowed'.
No matter how hard we committee members tried, people still came for evening walk and childrens playing in play area without distancing and all. And you can't just put lock on door of someone's flat.
IPL started and we noticed sudden decrease in people coming for evening walk. Specially male residents and childrens. Female residents can still be seen as they are more concerned about their weight than corona (facepalm).
Right now we've 7 active cases in our society in 4 flats compared to 25 flats earlier.

I am not saying it came down only because of IPL but definitely it's one of the reason.

Millions of Indians watch live IPL and they don't venture out for 4 hours. On average I see 6-7 millions watching only on Hotstar. Add DTH and piracy app viewers to that.
These millions of people staying at home for 4hours of IPL simply outnumbers any possible impact of IPL test kits if used for public.