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In bengal every second person is covid positive? Bengal had a population of 9cr. So 4.5cr are positive?
As I said, i have a stake in this country, International media and you don't
I remember how the international media predicted millions dying in India during the 1st wave and when things settled they were as if disappointed.
The western media doesn't like a former colonial non white country rising, on top of that Modi govt has stopped caring about their opinions. Hence the difference in their coverage of covid pandemic when it ravaged Europe USA UK and when its ravaging India.
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What’s difference in coverage?
When it ‘ravaged’ US, UK and Europe; people weren’t dying on the streets and there was no major shortage of oxygen and hospital beds. The international media didn’t have images showing people dying on the streets and outside hospitals begging for oxygen and beds.
Plus their case and death counts were largely in an accurate ball park. Do you agree with the mounting data that the death count is largely being undercounted and could be multiple times higher than official count?
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Are you seriously suggesting world news coverage from dozens of channels regarding Covid in India is pure exaggeration?
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It's actually unbelievable to see that the tournament is going on given how dire the situation is in India. Nothing is more important than money by the looks of it.
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Can you post any credible source for your 20k deaths per day?
And no, your own calculations are not a credible source.
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Yes a lot of it is to show the country and the government in poor light.
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He is known for his bluster and exaggeration but a lot of publications are saying it’s Atleast 3-5 times higher which would make it close to 10k deaths a day
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.amp.html
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Well you're on the ground & Im not.
I hope you are right and I dont disregard anti-Indian propoganda however this is also coming from Indian news outlets inc NDTV, where an 'expert' suggested its possible there could be up to 4 million deaths by August. See here.
If the below is true, surely the IPL should be postponed.
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In most countries; suspected covid deaths (basically people with symptoms but were unable to get tested before death) are also included in the Covid death count. India is not including these in the count. Many Indians are dying outside hospitals and at home or in streets so are not part of official covid count.
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The fact that the IPL continues to go on despite such a harrowing backdrop is completely ludicrous. The pictures and news reports that are coming out of India are just appalling yet the tournament has not been suspended. I've heard certain Indian news outlets have stopped their coverage of the tournament because of the dire COVID situation going on.
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It is because IPL is happening, you see overseas players like the great Pat Cummins has shown a nice gesture by raising funds to help the common people in India suffering from COVID and has encouraged other players also to come up with whatever help they can do.
If IPL wasn't happening and Patty would have been in Australia, he won't have been aware of all these situations but now you might see more players helping out by raising funds, all thanks goes to IPL for this.
If IPL wasn't happening and Patty would have been in Australia, he won't have been aware of all these situations but now you might see more players helping out by raising funds, all thanks goes to IPL for this.
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To say that the numbers may be more than what is reported, well i woukd agree. But the covid CFR isnt more than 2 per cent esp in a young population like India.
Now coming to NYT
Let me tell you how this works,
The NYT quotes a man, Prof Bhramar Mukherjee, now Google, you will find different media outlets quoting this same man on different days and he regurgitates the same thing to every one. This guy lives in Michigan. No one asks him, whats his source of Data?
A very similar thing is when you Google Gagandeep Kang, she is again quoted by various media outlets similar to the above case she repeats the same thing to all media houses.
Read the article, it talks about Gujarat and MP, while the worst two states are left out, Maha and Kerala. Nothing about Delhi.
The article takes the name of Modi, blaming him for trying to suppress numbers.
The western media is trying to do a Trump on Modi. They don't like a nationalist, right wing leader who isnt ashamed to follow his religion and who doesn't look to get the approval of the west.
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In a country like India where infectious diseases like Enteric Fever or TB or Gastroenteritis are common how do you attribute it to Covid based on symptoms?
Generally, NDTV = ignore. The only reason the news network is surviving is due to left wing funding.
That said, this was still mostly an unbiased interview. Few things can be misread:
1. Undercounting: Yes, it happens when people are not tested and treated. But that is neither intentional nor malicious. Almost sounds like trying to treat this at apr with China's under-reporting which has been conscious.
2. Reporting: India is a special case probably the only country where news media are able to report all the way from ICU units, cremation centers and this gets exaggerated disproportionately.
Read this from a pakistani writer:
(A Pakistani writes from London... Please read...����
Social media is hyped with visuals of capital’s hospitals overwhelmed by the patients and people dying in the corridors and ambulances. There seems to be shortage of everything; beds, doctors, oxygen cylinders, ventilators, etc. as well as empathy and planning. The visuals taken inside and outside the hospitals are really heart-wrenching. The opposition is on a point-scoring spree on the death tally. Even a CM telecast live an in-house meeting to play dirty politics. Channels are crying hoarse.
That is where India is failing.
INDIA IS MUCH BETTER OFF THAN MOST OF THE WORLD.
Just look at the figures. It is not about the total deaths. As by today’s reported data, India has 134 deaths/1 million of population. Almost, all the western countries including USA has reported more than 1,500 deaths per million.
Hungary 2,719
Bulgaria 2,276
Belgium 2,056
Italy 1,960
UK 1,868
Brazil 1,795
USA 1,757
Poland 1,711
Portugal 1,667
Spain 1,657
France 1,562
Romania 1,417
Sweden 1,368
Switzerland 1,212
INDIA 134..
It is 120 in the world in terms of deaths per 1 million. USA with double of the number of reported cases (compared with India) has 3 times more deaths. Interestingly CHINA is the only major country which has 3 deaths per 1 million of its population. Yes, India has miserably failed compared with China. But then CCP manufacturing sector is very robust. They can manufacture everything, even the Covid figures !
INDIAN MEDIA AND REPORTING
Do you think that the despair and gloom would have been less in the countries? Obviously no. But no one has seen such gory images of dying patients, wailing attendants, aerial drone shots of crematoriums, shouting news anchors, corpses lined up for burial, honking ambulances, point scoring politicians, sensational news headlines, as if hell has broken lose.
Nowhere in the world, press reporters would be reporting directly live from the Covid wards ! Nowhere else the attendants would be attending their loved ones and being interviewed too. NOBODY in the world has seen the kind of COVID reporting being done in India. That is something which is the worst kind of yellow journalism and must be legally stopped.
WORST CASE SCENARIO
The casualty figures may get much worse than 134 for India. If the casualty rate is that of SWITZERLAND, the total death count is 17 lac and if it is that of between Italy and Belgium, it would be 34 lac!
All I want to reiterate is that it is a Pandemic and the odds are so heavy against poorer nations. Germany has 13 beds for its 1,000 people. Its 13 for Japan, 6 for France, 4.6 for Switzerland, China has 4.3 bed per 1000 people. UK has 2.5, Canada 2.5, whereas in India it is 0.5 !
INDIA'S WATERSHED MOMENT
So for every 2,000 people we have one hospital bed. It is also not about medical facilities only. It is about our general attitude towards protection and safety. It is also about the necessity to go out for work. Not everyone has the WFH facility.
But in India, worst is the political lot. Here in UK, there are no partisan politicians who would do point scoring during a national emergency. Had the opposition and press been so damn bad in the UK a year ago, Boris Johnson has long been history. But no, everyone rallied behind their PM for the national cause.
With all these heavy odds, whatever the India has done to combat the pandemic is commendable. There has been a wave of philanthropic nationalism. People have come forward to help one another. India has the capacity to combat this pandemic. All what India needs is patriotism, humanism and rallying around your national leadership.
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Please stay off politics in this thread.
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If you are living in a big city in India then most likely there will be an infected person in every house, families who have savings are able to treat their loved ones at home because
the hospitals even in the big cities doesn't have the manpower to treat the infected patients properly hence a middle class to lower middle class families have absolute no trust and to be quite honest even a doctor recommends a critical patient to get treated at home,
the situation is so deadly that people have no choice but to arrange oxygen facilities to getting medication at home for their infected family members by the nurse visiting patients at their home
This is only for people who could afford it, the situation is deadly terrible for people who are poor and have no means to arrange such facilities at home so they try to go to hospitals and the chances of them surviving is really very low
IPL should be stopped and every manpower possible should be allotted for this disastrous deadly attack that's taking lives of young and old in India
Nothing should come first other than saving lives of people
the hospitals even in the big cities doesn't have the manpower to treat the infected patients properly hence a middle class to lower middle class families have absolute no trust and to be quite honest even a doctor recommends a critical patient to get treated at home,
the situation is so deadly that people have no choice but to arrange oxygen facilities to getting medication at home for their infected family members by the nurse visiting patients at their home
This is only for people who could afford it, the situation is deadly terrible for people who are poor and have no means to arrange such facilities at home so they try to go to hospitals and the chances of them surviving is really very low
IPL should be stopped and every manpower possible should be allotted for this disastrous deadly attack that's taking lives of young and old in India
Nothing should come first other than saving lives of people
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Adam Zampa and Kane Richardson leave IPL too many due to Covid concerns.
IPL: Ravichandran Ashwin, Adam Zampa, Kane Richardson & Andrew Tye leave amid Covid-19 concerns -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56884815
IPL: Ravichandran Ashwin, Adam Zampa, Kane Richardson & Andrew Tye leave amid Covid-19 concerns -
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/56884815
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It was likely fake certificates as I know these can be bought from unscrupulous vendors with the QR code included.
As for the Indians that rushed back to UK, they are still required by law to isolate at home. How that is enforced is another matter.
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What situation is happening outside the bubble of IPL is taking a lot more lives than keeping the lives save of the people involved in the IPL.
The first priority has to be to save the lives of maximum possible number of people rather than continuing IPL inside a so-called bubble where one is prioritizing to save the lives of limited number of people involved inside the IPL bubble and neglecting millions of lives who are in deadly situation right now which is out of control right now.
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The tournament should be cancelled / delayed or moved elsewhere, some are brave enough to leave while others probably feel like they are being held hostage. I don’t think the powers that be care about health, they will push forward at all costs
This is an IPL thread, not a political one, so I will simply reply that the Bhopal and Kanpur examples have utterly discredited the official tally.
More to the point of this thread, the IPL has always been a vehicle for selling the world an image of a modern, glitzy, powerful India.
But this week has seen that brand collapse, as human tragedy overpowers marketing. My unconditional sympathies go out to all those who are suffering.
The IPL was meant to project an image of a powerful and modernising India, as if the EPL was being played in Dubai.
Playing on in India as the bodies pile up just makes India and the IPL look more like sport in Yemen than Dubai.
Gary Lineker is proudly from Leicester, Britain’s most Indian town. When he tweets that continuing the IPL is obscene you know that every day it continues just damages the IPL brand and reputation of India more and more.
oh man! We've got quite a few like you in Pakistan as well!
Everything is a conspiracy. The world is out to get us - we're THAT important!
The world, which is already struggling to come to terms with the virus itself, will now focus on showing India in a bad light.
Oh bhai! Stop deluding yourself! No one gives a *rap about India's image at this point.
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I think Andrew Tye said it best:
“But looking at it from an Indian point of view, how are these companies and franchises spending so much money, and the government, on the IPL when there’s people not being able to get accepted into hospital?”
If there's one thing this pandemic has shown us, its that no matter what happens to average people capitalism moves on unabated. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people of India during this difficult time.
“But looking at it from an Indian point of view, how are these companies and franchises spending so much money, and the government, on the IPL when there’s people not being able to get accepted into hospital?”
If there's one thing this pandemic has shown us, its that no matter what happens to average people capitalism moves on unabated. My thoughts and prayers go out to the people of India during this difficult time.
I dont think covid relevant resources are being spent on IPL. So I am still lost how stopping IPL will help the covid situation.
I am not of the opinion to force others to grieve (or not rejoice their livelihood and happiness) just because of my tragedies. The show must go on.
It is because IPL is happening, you see overseas players like the great Pat Cummins has shown a nice gesture by raising funds to help the common people in India suffering from COVID and has encouraged other players also to come up with whatever help they can do.
If IPL wasn't happening and Patty would have been in Australia, he won't have been aware of all these situations but now you might see more players helping out by raising funds, all thanks goes to IPL for this.
And he has donated in the infamous not for audit PM CARES FUND.....u know what I mean
The govt is not spending on IPL - if at all makes money from IPL. Capitalism has no relevance here. For those who think there should be no IPL, they can make it happen for themselves by changing the channel and watch repeat old content.
By the way, while forms of capitalism (crony) is bad, it is the best market system there is with appropriate regulations and rules. What you should be mad at is money debasement by central banks (and this is the tragedy, very few are aware and realize this black hand just like intelligence agencies) which increases inequality and rewards the rich asset holders disproportionately.
U never ceases to amaze me..... Delusional blind supporter of a particular person and party
Anyway keeping politics away...
U had zero stake if I go by ur words.....someone so insensitive can't be so bothered about the welfare of his ppl..
I have an attachment for u.. hoping for ur delusional reply.....
Every second person tested positive does not mean 50% population is infected. Based on this link, the total coronavirus cases in the whole of Bengal is 728K which is less 0.8% as of now:
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/world/asia/india-coronavirus-cases.html
Rather, it reflects the resilience and resolve of India!
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Its too bad that despite explaining everything you just explained you fail to recognize the root cause of it all: A system that allows these things to exist and a system that rewards a greed and immorality; benefitting a select few at the expense of the vast majority.
Its obvious to anyone with half a brain-cell that capitalism is far more dangerous and destructive than it is beneficial. The only modifications of capitalism that actually work are those that have adopted significant elements of socialism. But intellectually dishonest people still go through hoops to defend it because it benefits them.
What I'm saying isn't unique to India. But atpresent average people in India are dying daily and can't even get admitted into hospitals. It is worth questioning why people and entities that have ample wealth and resources aren't doing everything within their power to help people out. And why that isn't the primary concern.
The IPL is turning into perfect preparation for football’s European Super League, with teams playing at disconnected venues:
“Welcome to Matchday 44 in the European Super League.”
“First up Liverpool plays Atletico Madrid at Aden in beautiful Yemen.”
“Then Manchester United plays the local derby versus Manchester City in the exotic city of Kabul.”
“Finally Barcelona plays Juventus amidst the excitement of Mogadishu in Somalia.”
Playing professional sport in Yemen, Kabul and Somalia sounds like a sick joke. Until you realise that these clowns are actually playing the IPL in Delhi right now!
It would be funny if it wasn’t so disrespectful and obscene.
“Welcome to Matchday 44 in the European Super League.”
“First up Liverpool plays Atletico Madrid at Aden in beautiful Yemen.”
“Then Manchester United plays the local derby versus Manchester City in the exotic city of Kabul.”
“Finally Barcelona plays Juventus amidst the excitement of Mogadishu in Somalia.”
Playing professional sport in Yemen, Kabul and Somalia sounds like a sick joke. Until you realise that these clowns are actually playing the IPL in Delhi right now!
It would be funny if it wasn’t so disrespectful and obscene.
Off topic, but (true) capitalism is none of that. Capitalism is free market. Support creativity, innovation and creates job! Its unfortunate that the people confuse the crony capitalism we see everywhere for the real one and opt for a worse choice which is socialism. Let me tell you, I come from India and tried socialism for 43 years. It does not work, ever, anywhere.
You are coloring things black and white in mutually exclusive way. Not sure, what tells you enough resources are not prioritized for addressing covid or that covid resources are being wasted for IPL.
Also, part of your post almost seems like it is demanding charity from affluent entities. Is that right? Capitalism and democracy have enough power to make that happen through govt spending and taxation. I dont think individuals and organizations should be forced or even expected to donate charity.
IPL 2021 to go as per schedule’ – BCCI President Sourav Ganguly amid COVID-19 scare
https://www.crictracker.com/ipl-202...president-sourav-ganguly-amid-covid-19-scare/
https://www.crictracker.com/ipl-202...president-sourav-ganguly-amid-covid-19-scare/
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Imagine a hypothetical scenario where the bubble is breached, perhaps due to a member of the support staff who sneaks away to meet his ailing family.
Now God forbid imagine if a batch of international players were to fall ill. What happens next? Are they made to queue infront of the hospital gates where oxygen starved Indians are collapsing in droves or are they somehow fast tracked into hospital beds and oxygen/ventilator supplies?
Both scenarios are grim.
Now God forbid imagine if a batch of international players were to fall ill. What happens next? Are they made to queue infront of the hospital gates where oxygen starved Indians are collapsing in droves or are they somehow fast tracked into hospital beds and oxygen/ventilator supplies?
Both scenarios are grim.
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Surely it should have went up if everything else is locked down but these angelic teams and cricketers are bravely battling to save the morale of the nation?
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You can sugar-coat it all you want but ultimately it all goes back to the inherently predatory nature of capitalism that is common in all its types. For all its benefits, its disadvantages simply outweigh them.
Either capitalism benefits you or you just don't care about how deeply common people are affected by it. Either way, I'm not gonna be the one to burst your bubble. Its just not worth my time.
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Also, part of your post almost seems like it is demanding charity from affluent entities. Is that right?
No the greedy capitalists deserve to keep all their money without helping society out in any way.
People are literally dying in your country man and can't even get admitted into hospitals and you're asking if rich people giving charity is right? I mean are you for real?
Capitalism and democracy have enough power to make that happen through govt spending and taxation.
I'm just unable to comprehend how bonkers this statement is. I think someone needs to bring you from your fantasy world back to reality and tell you how all the things you mentioned actually work in the real world.
The as of now term is not constant...and as per this link ot has increase 5 fold...and expected to grow further so 10 become 50....50 becomes 250....
I hope thats enough to take away the sleep of night of every sane people loving there....I have my friends and relatives there who are living in only hope and prayer....
I will if possible attach copy of bengali newspaper too.. which showcase the plight of people there....
I don't know why so many of u from india r taking this lightly as if some thunder storm is happening.....and it's will pass on.... Clearly the IPL is not gonna stop and we would see more of charity from players but which on any case doesnot reduced the fear the common people are living in......
Holding world cup in Ethiopia is equivalent to this.....
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Will stopping IPL helps anybody? Absolutely no..
Will continuing IPL will helps anybody? Absolutely yes.. There's your answer..
And if it's moral stance then clamp down every entertainment things... How cruel we're watching movies and series when millions are suffering..!!
Will continuing IPL will helps anybody? Absolutely yes.. There's your answer..
And if it's moral stance then clamp down every entertainment things... How cruel we're watching movies and series when millions are suffering..!!
Looking forward to it is ok.....wheather they can enjoy it or not.....is question..
How stopping IPL helps...
It indirectly sends a message that we are doing this in solidarity to those corona affected persons and those family members who has lost their near and dear ones...
We r postponing because we want to share their sorrow and won't celebrate the circus for few months at least when the entire nation is ravaged by the pandemic...
We will be not running a show at a time when the sorrow of loosing a loved one is still fresh in mind of millions....
Having taking a stand also helps ease a lot of pain...
Continuing IPL helps anybody..??
Yes those with vested interests and having stake in it.It confirms their ROI...is intact...Many ex players who r earning their so called rozi roti either as commies or as coach or as mentor...
Yes it helps those who are affected by corona and are quarantine..but do all of them love cricket do all of enjoy from it.... In many cases more than one family member are affected ....it's tough to enjoy anything then....
Anyway it's about perspective....
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The reality is, it is a sad tragic situation, at least in the metro cities where most of the reporting is.
Our deepest sympathies to those affected, May the benevolence of God be upon them to recover soon.
Yes, it does seem morally insensitive to have a form of entertainment going, if people are dying. However, like most things in life there are also other aspects to it.
a few questions :
- Has the IPL been DIRECTLY responsible for spread of the virus/directly contributed to case nums increase?
- By holding the IPL, has it contributed directly or indirectly NEGATIVELY to the logistics surrounding distribution of vaccines, oxygen, medicines?
-because of holding the IPL, and since the grounds are 'blocked' for the games, did this hinder in any way that they needed to be used as camp/field hospitals?
- Has any money being spent for IPL been diverted from hospitals, oxygen suppliers, medicine suppliers-logistical supply chain functionaries?
- IS the bubble that the players are in , directly contributing to the rise in cases?
-Are the players using facilities that others suffering from the CV situation DIRECTLY/INDIRECTLY need & should be using?
- Has the quantity of manpower allocated to the SIX centres that play ipl matches and (possibly elsewhere) for the logistics and smooth running of ipl somehow contributed to cases increase?
-has the same above mentioned manpower somehow contributed to lesser available doctors/nurses/frontline workers/testers/oxygen cylinder carriers/any else?
-Whats the direct co relation of the IPL to the world wide epidemic? (not on moral grounds)
- Can by stopping IPL the num of cases decrease/disappear? Will we all be happy and dandy once the IPL stops?
On the flip side
-Do lesser people venture out due to the IPl? (at least for the 3-4 hours-match duration)
- Does it provide some solace/cheer in otherwise depressing times?
-Does it provide some much needed boost to the ecomony when not much else is driving economy?
- Has it provided a safe bubble to the players, officials, umps etc? (I know there were some CV positive cases amongst these. but have they gone out in the wider comm and spread)
- What about the other 1000's who are directly involved in running of the IPL, am sure they would be in some bubble or other -arennt they getting a source of income as well as being safe?
Would be an interesting mix of yes's and no's for both scenarios....
I am not a true out and out IPL fan, I'd rather watch international cricket tbh. If its proved that holding the IPL is directly or indirectly contributing to worsening the situation or adding to it in some way...am all for calling it off...
I just want to get an opinion of the should we/shouldn't we groups and their rationale....
Our deepest sympathies to those affected, May the benevolence of God be upon them to recover soon.
Yes, it does seem morally insensitive to have a form of entertainment going, if people are dying. However, like most things in life there are also other aspects to it.
a few questions :
- Has the IPL been DIRECTLY responsible for spread of the virus/directly contributed to case nums increase?
- By holding the IPL, has it contributed directly or indirectly NEGATIVELY to the logistics surrounding distribution of vaccines, oxygen, medicines?
-because of holding the IPL, and since the grounds are 'blocked' for the games, did this hinder in any way that they needed to be used as camp/field hospitals?
- Has any money being spent for IPL been diverted from hospitals, oxygen suppliers, medicine suppliers-logistical supply chain functionaries?
- IS the bubble that the players are in , directly contributing to the rise in cases?
-Are the players using facilities that others suffering from the CV situation DIRECTLY/INDIRECTLY need & should be using?
- Has the quantity of manpower allocated to the SIX centres that play ipl matches and (possibly elsewhere) for the logistics and smooth running of ipl somehow contributed to cases increase?
-has the same above mentioned manpower somehow contributed to lesser available doctors/nurses/frontline workers/testers/oxygen cylinder carriers/any else?
-Whats the direct co relation of the IPL to the world wide epidemic? (not on moral grounds)
- Can by stopping IPL the num of cases decrease/disappear? Will we all be happy and dandy once the IPL stops?
On the flip side
-Do lesser people venture out due to the IPl? (at least for the 3-4 hours-match duration)
- Does it provide some solace/cheer in otherwise depressing times?
-Does it provide some much needed boost to the ecomony when not much else is driving economy?
- Has it provided a safe bubble to the players, officials, umps etc? (I know there were some CV positive cases amongst these. but have they gone out in the wider comm and spread)
- What about the other 1000's who are directly involved in running of the IPL, am sure they would be in some bubble or other -arennt they getting a source of income as well as being safe?
Would be an interesting mix of yes's and no's for both scenarios....
I am not a true out and out IPL fan, I'd rather watch international cricket tbh. If its proved that holding the IPL is directly or indirectly contributing to worsening the situation or adding to it in some way...am all for calling it off...
I just want to get an opinion of the should we/shouldn't we groups and their rationale....
The GroupThink has clearly swallowed up Ganguly and the BCCI and IPL leaders.
Cricket is a game. A sport. Playing on in cities where death is all around is not a gesture of strength or solidarity. It is a sign of greed, indifference and dismissiveness towards their own suffering compatriots.
All that they are achieving by playing on is making the whole world realise that these are heartless, greedy, venal Fagins who are humiliating themselves and their country.
The IPL was supposed to showcase a modern, glitzy India.
Instead it is drawing attention to the world’s worst Covid outbreak having its CAUSES in:
1. India being a Third World economy which is built upon the backward and primitive model of daily wage workers. And they can’t afford to stop that even in a raging pandemic.
2. India having a Dickensian social structure, in which the country is at the same level that London was at in 1837-1839, with Fagin reincarnated as the head honchos of the BCCI.
Do people like Ganguly understand what the actual goal is here? Do they see that every day they play on makes the rest of us view the IPL and the BCCI and their government with ever greater contempt?
The continuation of the IPL only strengthens the pity and grief that those of us in more advanced countries feel for the poor abused citizens of India.
But it also fills us with contempt and revulsion for the immoral Fagins who are running the IPL at a time like this.
Cricket is a game. A sport. Playing on in cities where death is all around is not a gesture of strength or solidarity. It is a sign of greed, indifference and dismissiveness towards their own suffering compatriots.
All that they are achieving by playing on is making the whole world realise that these are heartless, greedy, venal Fagins who are humiliating themselves and their country.
The IPL was supposed to showcase a modern, glitzy India.
Instead it is drawing attention to the world’s worst Covid outbreak having its CAUSES in:
1. India being a Third World economy which is built upon the backward and primitive model of daily wage workers. And they can’t afford to stop that even in a raging pandemic.
2. India having a Dickensian social structure, in which the country is at the same level that London was at in 1837-1839, with Fagin reincarnated as the head honchos of the BCCI.
Do people like Ganguly understand what the actual goal is here? Do they see that every day they play on makes the rest of us view the IPL and the BCCI and their government with ever greater contempt?
The continuation of the IPL only strengthens the pity and grief that those of us in more advanced countries feel for the poor abused citizens of India.
But it also fills us with contempt and revulsion for the immoral Fagins who are running the IPL at a time like this.
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Strange we even have this thread. Tragedies and disasters have happened in the history of time around the world. Rarely, sporting events have been cancelled unless it is unsafe for participants or public.
Dont see one logical reason in this 8 page thread which deflects from overloading covid resources to govt expenses on ipl to capitalism to forced charity. None of it with any sense.
The viewership ratings speak out loud and clear - India want it to continue. Does that settle the matter?
Dont see one logical reason in this 8 page thread which deflects from overloading covid resources to govt expenses on ipl to capitalism to forced charity. None of it with any sense.
The viewership ratings speak out loud and clear - India want it to continue. Does that settle the matter?
Yup - selective outrage this is.
Spoken like a true Englishman in oxford vocabulary and condescending outrage. Sounds very similar:
- How dare these low life colony subjects have a space program and reach moon and mars before their colonial overlords?
- How dare they advance in nuclear technologies pioneering in some areas?
- How dare they acquire our corporates and become one of the largest employers in our country?
- Why IITs and IIMs
- How outrageous they hold world no 1 cricket tournament (our game) amidst corona with our own players lining up for chance?
P.S. We forget, we were as worse off during our own second wave. We just did better media management. :scoff
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Am reading that some news channels will stop reporting on the IPL given the Covid situation in the country. Would the English premier league carry on if there was a health scare of this proportion in Europe?
Are you joking or are you just not abreast of international sport?
Did Euro 2020 get played amidst Covid last summer?
Did the 2020 Olympic Games take place in Tokyo?
Are the South American FIFA World Cup qualifiers currently running 6 rounds behind due to the postponement of 6 rounds?
I won’t continue any further because I don’t want to rub it in too hard!
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The excuse being used for this appalling outbreak, covered up by censorship and underreporting of cases, is that India was too poor and too backward to be able to afford to subsidise daily wage workers to stay home when sick. I agree that it’s only part of the cause - it’s mainly due to inept governance.
But the IPL, like the space program, showcases a dysfunctional country with a “fur coat but no knickers” approach to development.
Vietnam managed to contain this pandemic. India has proven incapable of matching Vietnam’s level of competence and good governance.
Last year the EPL was suspended from 13 March to 17 June because of the Pandemic.
The Champions League was suspended from 15 March to 7 August.
The Olympics were postponed for a year.
The Euros were postponed for a year.
You have your answer. Responsible sporting authorities postponed much bigger competitions than the IPL in response to much smaller outbreaks of Covid.
- Mishandling of pandemic: what does it have to do with ipl?
- priorities: its none of anybodys business but India's to determine whether it wants to make a furcoat or undie. By the way, we were able to add oxygen capacity by repurposing tech from tejas aircraft - yes the furcoat your highness insists we should not need or want
- lot of the sporting events you mention are all planning on ipl style closed door this year. Does that get validation then?
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You made a post on this thread claiming 20k deaths in India per day. Now please post a valid credible source backing up that figure. Or is it another of your attempt to push fake news.
What you or Linekar thinks about India or IPL is your opinion.
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The IPL is the least of the worries at the moment.
- coverup: thats a bold allegation and just that.
This thread is about sport not about how a certain government is systematically deceiving the world by concealing death numbers, so I can’t answer your first question here.
But the IPL has the option of adopting the same moral and ethical standards of responsibility as the EPL and Champions League and Euros and Olympic Games, all of which suspended and postponed their 2020 tournaments, just as FIFA is right now with the World Cup qualifiers.
But the IPL chooses to follow a pathetically low standard and plough on as if mass deaths were not happening right there, right now.
The IPL and India choose to have lower standards. And they have no right to expect the rest of us to participate in India’s self-censorship and lies.
They are choosing an inferior standard, so they will be treated with the disrespect and contempt that they deserve.
Just pity the poor people of India who are not being tested and who catch a life-threatening illness while the IPL squanders tens of thousands of testing kits.
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You posted a figure on this thread. Please validate that figure via a credible source.
Again you can have your opinion on IPL. Indians who actually matter have theirs.
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The rising Covid-19 cases in India could pour cold water on the country's hopes of hosting the T20 World Cup this year. While questions have been raised over the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI)'s decision to continue organising the Indian Premier League (IPL) 2021 amid an unprecedented rise in the number of Covid-19 cases, doubts over the T20 World Cup happening this year in India have also started to emerge.
As per a report in Dailymail, the United Arab Emirates has been put on standby as the venue for this year's T20 World Cup in a scenario where the covid-19 situation in India makes organising the tournament in the country difficult. Although the showpiece event is about 6 months away, the International Cricket Council is preparing itself for all possible scenarios.
The T20 World Cup was supposed to happen last year in Australia but was cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak worldwide. The second wave of the virus, however, is causing utter chaos in India, with the country reporting over 3,50,000 cases on a daily basis.
UAE has a considerably less population when compared to India which makes organising a tournament of the magnitude of the T20 World Cup amid Covid fairly convenient. The BCCI has good rapport with the Emirates Cricket Board, having also held the 2020 edition of IPL in UAE across three venues.
The board decided to organise the 2021 edition of the IPL in India after the Covid surge had calmed down to a large extent. However, just days before the tournament began, the country was struck by the second wave of the virus, the result of which has so far been devastating.
India had proposed 9 venues for the T20 World Cup this year. An ICC delegation is also currently in the country for the same. The BCCI intends to hold the final of the T20 World Cup at the Motera Stadium, world's largest cricket stadium, where a few international and IPL matches have already been held.
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ia-grapples-with-covid-19-surge-report/749952
As per a report in Dailymail, the United Arab Emirates has been put on standby as the venue for this year's T20 World Cup in a scenario where the covid-19 situation in India makes organising the tournament in the country difficult. Although the showpiece event is about 6 months away, the International Cricket Council is preparing itself for all possible scenarios.
The T20 World Cup was supposed to happen last year in Australia but was cancelled due to the coronavirus outbreak worldwide. The second wave of the virus, however, is causing utter chaos in India, with the country reporting over 3,50,000 cases on a daily basis.
UAE has a considerably less population when compared to India which makes organising a tournament of the magnitude of the T20 World Cup amid Covid fairly convenient. The BCCI has good rapport with the Emirates Cricket Board, having also held the 2020 edition of IPL in UAE across three venues.
The board decided to organise the 2021 edition of the IPL in India after the Covid surge had calmed down to a large extent. However, just days before the tournament began, the country was struck by the second wave of the virus, the result of which has so far been devastating.
India had proposed 9 venues for the T20 World Cup this year. An ICC delegation is also currently in the country for the same. The BCCI intends to hold the final of the T20 World Cup at the Motera Stadium, world's largest cricket stadium, where a few international and IPL matches have already been held.
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...ia-grapples-with-covid-19-surge-report/749952
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Record number of Covid-19 cases, unprecedented deaths, medical infrastructure on the brink of a collapse, the second wave of the novel coronavirus has posed never-seen-before challenges for India. Yet, the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has been running the Indian Premier League (IPL) 2021 efficiently with players in bio-bubble.
There's no doubting that the execution of the 14th edition of the IPL has been near-flawless despite the chaos that Covid is causing outside the bubble. Yet, other cricket boards like Cricket Australia and England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are understandably worried about the well-being of their players.
After three Aussie players -- Kane Richardson, Adam Zampa and Andrew Tye -- decided to withdraw from the league over Covid-19 fear, the ECB has also come in a tricky situation over the welfare of its players.
“It is a delicate situation for the ECB, who are due to host both the India men’s and women’s teams this summer and are also desperate to recruit Indian players for their new Hundred competition, if not this season then next,” an ECB spokesperson was quoted as saying by Sportsmail.
The BCCI and ECB share a great understanding and respect for each other. The England board is hopeful of cashing on that relationship to get some Indian players for The Hundred, either this or next season. A few international assignments are also scheduled to come. Amid such a situation, a decision on whether to allow their players to continue participating in the IPL or to pull them out remains a tricky one.
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...s-players-in-ipl-2021-amid-covid-chaos/749931
There's no doubting that the execution of the 14th edition of the IPL has been near-flawless despite the chaos that Covid is causing outside the bubble. Yet, other cricket boards like Cricket Australia and England & Wales Cricket Board (ECB) are understandably worried about the well-being of their players.
After three Aussie players -- Kane Richardson, Adam Zampa and Andrew Tye -- decided to withdraw from the league over Covid-19 fear, the ECB has also come in a tricky situation over the welfare of its players.
“It is a delicate situation for the ECB, who are due to host both the India men’s and women’s teams this summer and are also desperate to recruit Indian players for their new Hundred competition, if not this season then next,” an ECB spokesperson was quoted as saying by Sportsmail.
The BCCI and ECB share a great understanding and respect for each other. The England board is hopeful of cashing on that relationship to get some Indian players for The Hundred, either this or next season. A few international assignments are also scheduled to come. Amid such a situation, a decision on whether to allow their players to continue participating in the IPL or to pull them out remains a tricky one.
https://www.timesnownews.com/sports...s-players-in-ipl-2021-amid-covid-chaos/749931
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The Indian govt should have stepped in tbh, it is their responsibility to take charge when money hungry sporting bodies prioritize the rokra over human lives
I have checked with a moderator that I can reply to these requests within a cricket thread, so here goes.
1. From today’s New York Times - an article in which an Indian academic at the University of Michigan describes the official numbers as “a complete massacre of the data”.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/24/world/asia/india-coronavirus-deaths.html
2. An article showing that 52 passengers from a flight from Delhi to Hong Kong tested negative on departure but positive on arrival.
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/a...ting-the-risks-of-pandemic-travel-11619455646
3. An article describing how in Western Australia while only 5% of returning travellers are coming from India, they make up 40% of the positive cases on arrival.
4. Evidence of the systematic under reporting of Covid deaths in Bhopal
https://m.businesstoday.in/story/co...doubt-on-official-death-figures/1/437285.html
5. Evidence of the systematic under reporting of Covid deaths in Kanpur.
https://www.newindianexpress.com/na...belie-official-virus-death-count-2294649.html
It is overwhelmingly obvious that the official infection and death statistics from India are grossly below the true levels.
When you factor that in, it’s even harder to justify continuing the IPL. Even the official stats are far worse than in England and Europe when the EPL, Champions League and Euros were postponed last year.
And the sources listed above make it pretty clear that those official Indian stats are not even the tip of the iceberg.
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lol, without their blessings this IPL won't have been happening. They're totally complicit in it.
Ganguly or BCCI are very small fries in all this.
They all are anti national and are jealous of sanghis.
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Ndtv = ignored and Republic, Ajtak, Zee news etc are credible who are directly run by BJP mps are trusted. Lol
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Again, you mentioned a figure. 20k. Thats almost 10 times of the reported figure. Please validate that.
All the articles say there is some under reporting. But you have mentioned a figure. 20K. Please post a credible source that says that deaths in India per day are 20k or atleast near to that.
Oh and btw, i laugh at someone sitting in Michigan and giving opinion on data in India.
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Step in? For what reason? Is IPL spreading the virus? If games had in stadia crowd, it would make sense.
Or are they occupying hospital beds? Or consuming medical oxygen?
Australia has just banned all direct and indirect returning travellers from India until mid-May.
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/scott-morrison-pause-flights-india-covid-outbreak/100098322
There is no point Cummins or anyone else returning home from the IPL. They wouldn’t be allowed back into Australia - not even into hotel quarantine!
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-27/scott-morrison-pause-flights-india-covid-outbreak/100098322
There is no point Cummins or anyone else returning home from the IPL. They wouldn’t be allowed back into Australia - not even into hotel quarantine!
The NY Times article in particular gives specific examples from multiple states of:
1. Pressure for deaths to be recorded only as due to “sickness / beemari”
2. Multiple locations where actual Covid deaths are at least 5-10 times higher than official stats.
What kind of validation do you seek? Are you going to deny that the Nazis had extermination camps because they didn’t publish a scorecard?
The NY Times article makes blatantly obvious obvious that the true death count is currently 5-10 times the official level. So 20,000 is almost certainly an underestimate.
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Indian Govt and BCCI are the same thing. That's why politicians' names are all over Indian cricket's infrastructure, not to mention them perennially holding major posts in BCCI- just like how the Home Minister's son is the current secretary of the BCCI.
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What did Tye say?
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Australia suspends flights from India as COVID-19 outbreak explodes
Australia will suspend incoming flights from India until the middle of May as the country experiences a soaring outbreak of COVID-19.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said flights will be suspended immediately until at least May 15 to prevent transmission crossing borders.
Repatriation flights for Australians still in India are being organised.
A relief package will be sent from Australia to India, which includes more than 500 ventilators and more than a million surgical masks.
Mr Morrison said indirect flights from India have already been paused by key transit hubs such as Doha, meaning those flights won't be coming into Australia as usual.
Restrictions on people in Australia being able to travel to India were already in place.
In the past 24 hours India has recorded 323,000 new COVID-19 cases and an additional 2,771 deaths.
Roughly 117 Indians are succumbing to the disease every hour, with many experts believing these figures are conservative.
India is second only to the United States for total COVID-19 infections at 17.3 million.
New Zealand has temporarily suspended travel from India after it received 17 positive cases in overseas travellers in early April.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-to-suspend-flights-coming-from-india-due-to-covid19-wave/ebd70c45-160b-4cbf-a87d-89e1f704837c
Australia will suspend incoming flights from India until the middle of May as the country experiences a soaring outbreak of COVID-19.
Prime Minister Scott Morrison said flights will be suspended immediately until at least May 15 to prevent transmission crossing borders.
Repatriation flights for Australians still in India are being organised.
A relief package will be sent from Australia to India, which includes more than 500 ventilators and more than a million surgical masks.
Mr Morrison said indirect flights from India have already been paused by key transit hubs such as Doha, meaning those flights won't be coming into Australia as usual.
Restrictions on people in Australia being able to travel to India were already in place.
In the past 24 hours India has recorded 323,000 new COVID-19 cases and an additional 2,771 deaths.
Roughly 117 Indians are succumbing to the disease every hour, with many experts believing these figures are conservative.
India is second only to the United States for total COVID-19 infections at 17.3 million.
New Zealand has temporarily suspended travel from India after it received 17 positive cases in overseas travellers in early April.
https://www.9news.com.au/national/australia-to-suspend-flights-coming-from-india-due-to-covid19-wave/ebd70c45-160b-4cbf-a87d-89e1f704837c
1. Nytimes: pass
2. Anecdotal
3. anecdotal
4 & 5: fair. But not evidence as you say. Doesnt prove systemic and deliberate underreporting as you say. They may have just not gotten the required care so never counted in hospital deaths.
Again I repeat its a bold allegation of deliberate or systemic underreporting.
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Cricket-Australia says no queue-jumping for IPL players after India flights suspended
Australia will not prioritise its Indian Premier League (IPL) cricketers for repatriation from India, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday, as the Asian nation continues to battle a massive surge in COVID-19 infections.
Three Australian cricketers have already cut short their IPL season to head home but a number of top players remain, including test stalwarts Steve Smith, David Warner and Pat Cummins.
Several Australians, including former test captain Ricky Ponting, are also involved in the IPL as coaches.
Australia on Tuesday suspended direct flights from India until at least May 15 to prevent more virulent COVID-19 strains entering the country, and Morrison said the cricketers would not be allowed to jump the queue for repatriation flights when they resume.
“It’s done on vulnerability,” Morrison told reporters.
“They travelled there privately under those arrangements, this wasn’t part of an Australian tour.
“They’re under their own resources and they’ll be using those resources to, I’m sure, see them return to Australia.”
Batsman Chris Lynn said he had asked governing body Cricket Australia (CA) to arrange a charter flight to bring players home at the end of the IPL.
“I texted ... that as Cricket Australia make 10% of every IPL contract was there a chance we could spend that money this year on a charter flight once the tournament is over?” Lynn, who plays for Mumbai Indians, told News Corp media.
“We are not asking for shortcuts and we signed up knowing the risks. But it would be great to get home as soon as the event is over.”
CA declined to comment.
The regular season ends on May 23, with playoffs to follow before the final on May 30.
‘INDIA IN CHAOS’
India’s coronavirus death toll neared the bleak milestone of 200,000 with another 2,771 fatalities reported on Tuesday, while its armed forces pledged urgent medical aid to help battle the staggering spike in infections.
The IPL is being played under biosecurity protocols and Lynn said he felt comfortable in the environment and had no immediate plans to leave.
“Obviously India is in chaos at the moment. But we are at least giving people something to smile about by playing the tournament,” he added.
Eoin Morgan, one of 11 England players in the IPL, said they were constantly talking about the situation outside the bubble.
“It’s not nice to watch from afar, considering how lucky we are in a bubble and not be affected by it very much,” Morgan told reporters. “We lend our support ... to everybody who is ill or going through tough times.”
New Zealand Cricket Players Association chief executive Heath Mills said none of their players had asked to go home.
“There’s no doubt they’re certainly anxious about what’s happening in India and what they’re witnessing. But they feel well looked-after by their IPL franchises and safe in their bubbles,” Mills said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-cricket-australia/cricket-lynn-urges-australia-to-arrange-flight-to-bring-players-home-after-ipl-idUKKBN2CE01P?edition-redirect=uk
Australia will not prioritise its Indian Premier League (IPL) cricketers for repatriation from India, Prime Minister Scott Morrison said on Tuesday, as the Asian nation continues to battle a massive surge in COVID-19 infections.
Three Australian cricketers have already cut short their IPL season to head home but a number of top players remain, including test stalwarts Steve Smith, David Warner and Pat Cummins.
Several Australians, including former test captain Ricky Ponting, are also involved in the IPL as coaches.
Australia on Tuesday suspended direct flights from India until at least May 15 to prevent more virulent COVID-19 strains entering the country, and Morrison said the cricketers would not be allowed to jump the queue for repatriation flights when they resume.
“It’s done on vulnerability,” Morrison told reporters.
“They travelled there privately under those arrangements, this wasn’t part of an Australian tour.
“They’re under their own resources and they’ll be using those resources to, I’m sure, see them return to Australia.”
Batsman Chris Lynn said he had asked governing body Cricket Australia (CA) to arrange a charter flight to bring players home at the end of the IPL.
“I texted ... that as Cricket Australia make 10% of every IPL contract was there a chance we could spend that money this year on a charter flight once the tournament is over?” Lynn, who plays for Mumbai Indians, told News Corp media.
“We are not asking for shortcuts and we signed up knowing the risks. But it would be great to get home as soon as the event is over.”
CA declined to comment.
The regular season ends on May 23, with playoffs to follow before the final on May 30.
‘INDIA IN CHAOS’
India’s coronavirus death toll neared the bleak milestone of 200,000 with another 2,771 fatalities reported on Tuesday, while its armed forces pledged urgent medical aid to help battle the staggering spike in infections.
The IPL is being played under biosecurity protocols and Lynn said he felt comfortable in the environment and had no immediate plans to leave.
“Obviously India is in chaos at the moment. But we are at least giving people something to smile about by playing the tournament,” he added.
Eoin Morgan, one of 11 England players in the IPL, said they were constantly talking about the situation outside the bubble.
“It’s not nice to watch from afar, considering how lucky we are in a bubble and not be affected by it very much,” Morgan told reporters. “We lend our support ... to everybody who is ill or going through tough times.”
New Zealand Cricket Players Association chief executive Heath Mills said none of their players had asked to go home.
“There’s no doubt they’re certainly anxious about what’s happening in India and what they’re witnessing. But they feel well looked-after by their IPL franchises and safe in their bubbles,” Mills said.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-cricket-australia/cricket-lynn-urges-australia-to-arrange-flight-to-bring-players-home-after-ipl-idUKKBN2CE01P?edition-redirect=uk
Sorry but you have no idea about Indian political system just like leftist western media. India has a central govt and then there are state governments. The places where covid situation is most - Delhi and Maharastra, both are not rulled by BJP. There are IPL matches scheduled to be played in Delhi this week, what is stopping Delhi CM to not allow that to happen?
Let me give you an example. There is a state in India named Chattisgarh. Its a congress ruled state and it hosted a road safety cricket series with full crowd in attendance without protocol. So much so that Chief Minister himself attended most of the matches. That event sparked Covid cases massively in Chattisgarh. How is Narendra Modi responsible for it?
People are talking about Bengal, a state ruled by a mentally unstable CM who on record said she wont take vaccine bcoz its produced by BJP govt. She has not attended a single Covid 19 meeting chaired by PM. How is then Narendra Modi responsible for what is happening in Bengal?
I totally agree PM should not have done election rallies. But PMs rallies were last ones...by then state govt have already done innumerable rallies asking for votes.
This is a pandemic, a cricis of massive proportions but western media/Indian liberals are using this cricis as a tool to target Modi.
Indians because of their media propelled mentality have become extremely desperate for validation. Fake image is everything, reality is not .... I saw horrific videos of literal humanitarian crisis in India. people were literally crying for help on streets yet IPL is more important to Indians because it will ruin their image if that circus league where foreigners gather to make money stops.
I always post anti Indian stuff but this has gone beyond nationalities man. I saw families crying for medical help with their loved ones laying dead on streets, mobs stealing O2 cylinders. Stop this IPL, its hurting you.
I always post anti Indian stuff but this has gone beyond nationalities man. I saw families crying for medical help with their loved ones laying dead on streets, mobs stealing O2 cylinders. Stop this IPL, its hurting you.
