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Should Mickey Arthur continue as Pakistan Head Coach after the 2019 World Cup?

Should Mickey Arthur continue as Pakistan Head Coach after the 2019 World Cup?

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His contract is finished, PCB will review the performances and do an overview of Mickey Arthur and the management's tenure.

Do you want him to continue or should he be replaced?
 
He hasn't shown enough results, time to pack his bags and go home.
 
Needs to go.

Other than CT 2017 our performance has been borderline minnow level.

World Cup 2019 was a decent performance but it wasn't because of Mickey but in spite of Mickey.

Those Test series' losses, not including spinners and opting for Fast bowlers in the UAE should have been a red flag when it came to his knowledge of the game.
 
Most importantly who are pcb considering for coach and selector position? Deano or Stuart law should be considered.
 
Time to move on. Phil Simmons should be given a chance.
 
MachoKhan said:
Most importantly who are pcb considering for coach and selector position? Deano or Stuart law should be considered.
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What about Phil Simmons? He has had success with Windies, Ireland and Afghanistan.
 
Needs to stay for the sake of continuity as a new core set of players emerges. We have the t20 WP coming up and if we change we will completely upset the structure, culture and direction of the team. Pakistan has always done well when there is continuity.
 
Definitely he needs to stay.

He’s invested so much in Pakistan cricket - just look at the passion he shows. We are never finding a foreigner like him again who wants Pakistan to win so badly.
 
he has to be blamed for the NRR lapse. It was his duty to guide the team what they need to do in order to qualify. He needs to go for this blunder alone
 
Made too many basic mistakes for an international coach so I think its time for him to go.
 
Needs to go.

This whole “I was going to commit suicide” and “I love Pakistan cricket” mantra is just to pander to the fan base and media as an outsider who embroidered by the culture.

Reality is, under him we have had the following:

1). England Test Series Draw (2-2) 1-4 in ODI and 1-0 in T20
2). West Indies Whitewash (all formats)
3). 0-2 in NZ
4). 0-3 in AUS
5). West Indies Whitewash (all formats)
6). CT win
7). 0-2 against SL (1st loss in UAE)
Wins in LOI formats
8). 0-5 in NZ
Won the T20 series
9). Drew England series
10). Whitewash of ZIM
11). Asia Cup ousting
12). 1-1-0 against AUS Test series
0-5 in ODI and 3-0 in T20
13). 1-2 against NZ in Test series
Drawn ODI series and 3-0 in T20
14). Whitewashed against SA in all formats
15). Failed to make SF’s in the WC

Besides a few meaningless T20 series, two drawn ENG Test series and a CT win, Mickey’s outing as head coach has failed.
 
Needs to stay. But Inzi, Azhar and Grant Flower need to be shown the door. I would get rid of Bradburn aswell but he just came in so I don't see that happening.

Making Misbah chief-selector would be a good option. But I doubt PCB has the guts to make such a bold, out-of-the-box decision
 
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The thing that disappointed me the most was I thought he would get rid of the non performing seniors. [MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION] always goes on about how he likes a young team. Yet he has sat back and stuck by these rubbish seniors . At the end of the day selecting the likes of Hafeez , Malik ,and Sarfraz is a big reason why we are out. They haven't been good enough. Also his love for bits and pieces cricketers is very annoying. The lack of a specialist spinner is another reason why we are out.

If he stays I would not be upset. But I think it's time to move on.
 
In a perfect world:

Head-coach: Mickey Arthur

Batting Coach: Younis Khan

Bowling Coach: Any former Pakistani fast-bowler who doesn't bring a toxic attitude to the dressing-room

Fielding-Coach: Darren Berry

Chief-Selector: Misbah-ul-Haq
 
ManFan said:
Needs to go.

This whole “I was going to commit suicide” and “I love Pakistan cricket” mantra is just to pander to the fan base and media as an outsider who embroidered by the culture.

Reality is, under him we have had the following:

1). England Test Series Draw (2-2) 1-4 in ODI and 1-0 in T20
2). West Indies Whitewash (all formats)
3). 0-2 in NZ
4). 0-3 in AUS
5). West Indies Whitewash (all formats)
6). CT win
7). 0-2 against SL (1st loss in UAE)
Wins in LOI formats
8). 0-5 in NZ
Won the T20 series
9). Drew England series
10). Whitewash of ZIM
11). Asia Cup ousting
12). 1-1-0 against AUS Test series
0-5 in ODI and 3-0 in T20
13). 1-2 against NZ in Test series
Drawn ODI series and 3-0 in T20
14). Whitewashed against SA in all formats
15). Failed to make SF’s in the WC

Besides a few meaningless T20 series, two drawn ENG Test series and a CT win, Mickey’s outing as head coach has failed.
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Whitewash in SA IN ALL FORMATS? I think you are wrong there buddy
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
In a perfect world:

Head-coach: Mickey Arthur

Batting Coach: Younis Khan

Bowling Coach: Any former Pakistani fast-bowler who doesn't bring a toxic attitude to the dressing-room

Fielding-Coach: Darren Berry

Chief-Selector: Misbah-ul-Haq
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Why misbah? It was only after he left that we got rid of the rubbish he kept on and new players drafted in
 
Yes definitely. He's done a excellent job with the young ones. Can afford clowns like moin, mohsin etc.
 
Let the man continue.

Quick out Hafeez, Malik and Sarfraz.

Look for an alternative to Grant Flower.
 
superman said:
Why misbah? It was only after he left that we got rid of the rubbish he kept on and new players drafted in
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Because he knows the domestic circuit inside out and is an unbiased, honest and pragmatic personality.

I don't know which players you are referring to but decisions regarding squads were made by chief-selectors, not him. I doubt he provided anything more than his input. One player whose inclusion he did push for though is Abbas.
 
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90MPH said:
Definitely he needs to stay.

He’s invested so much in Pakistan cricket - just look at the passion he shows. We are never finding a foreigner like him again who wants Pakistan to win so badly.
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This. Obvious inzy has making the calls of late and he's the one who needs to go.

Arthur needs to stay
 
His performance has been OK, but not great. Who else can replace him as a head coach?

I think we should retain him, but replace the batting and bowling coach. Inzi and Waqar/Wasim would be good batting and bowling coach, but the problem is there is lot of baggage. There is a big ego problem with our former cricketers and they can't work well with other coaches. Foreign coaches are good, but majority of our players can't understand them.


Maybe fielding coach too? I really liked the previous fielding coach. Who really made a difference in our fielding.

Chief Selector really needs to go...
 
NOOOOOO

Bith Mickey and Sarfraz needs to go, Deeno is much much better option. He has ruined Karachi King in last few years as well. Pakistan needs a coach who is better at strategy and can read long term talent better, plus and clam and cool headed. Deeno is much better at that Mickey.
 
What can he do when he has tools like Azhar mehmood as a bowling coach, inzimam as selector and sarfraz as a captain. If arthur is going then others should go along with him
 
I think it might be worth giving him an extension. Once the senior trio are out, hopefully new young players can be integrated and could look forward to more exciting cricket.

I don't want to see Mohsin khan etc as Pakistan coach.
 
Make him stay till world t20 but change the batting coach.
Too many changes will ruin the team. Pakistan has done well in this world cup in later stages. team is young.
coach :- Mickey
Batting coach :- Younis
Bowling :- Azhar

Selection panel :- Mohammed wasim
 
Yes.

I would like Mickey to stay for one more year.

Extend his contract until the 2020 World T20.
 
Mickey Arthur just talks. We can see the reality of his fitness and high performance culture
 
He needs to stay. To take out the ODI team from shambles it was under Misbah and get it in tune with the modern way of cricket is a big feat in itself. A bit of luck and I genuinely believe nobody could have stopped us after reaching semis.
 
Keep Mickey, but get rid of Azhar Mahmood, Fileding coach and Grant Flower. And please no more locals. If they come, lots of politics will reach dressing room ,and whatever 5/10 % progress we made, we will go back in reverse gear. Plus, no more Inzi, make some one else selector who will listen to captain and coach.

Get some one from south africa like Lance Klusner, Alan Donald who Mickey worked with before.
 
If possible make Misbah or Younis as Chief selector or Director of NCA like what India did with Dravid.
 
The more I think about it, I would be ok to extend his contract. However, his coaching staff needs to change, Batting, Fielding, and Bowling coaches need a fresh start. Also, I wouldn't mind a local coach brought in as an assistant coach to work under Mickey and get some experience. Could even be a rotation of coaches as "assistant coach" on series to series basis so as to get exposure of how to run a dressing room at the international level.
 
Definitely. He should continue. Not his fault if old players didn't perform. He now knows pak cricket inside out. Would be very handy in next 2 world cups (T20 and 50 over) but fielding coach needs to go for sure. Lot of incompetent and malicious past players would want to come in but the fact is they are not good enough and they have their own agendas. My advise to PCB stick with Mickey.
 
Chokli said:
We need a local coach not foreign.
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I'm assuming there is no local coach who is qualified enough to do the job as Pakistan does not have a professional structure which could produce them. Of the foreign alternatives, Arthur has put a lot of heart and personal investment in the job which an alternative would find hard to match. I would keep him on for that reason alone, he gives 100% to Pakistan.
 
According to media reports mickey arthur will remain headcoach at least till world t20 but the coaching contracts of azhar mahmood and grant flower have not been extended,the contracts of cheif selector and selectors havent been extended ,which means we will have a new cheif selctor and selection committee.
 
The team had a very bad start to the tournament
There was unprofessionalism with late night hook ups and there were too many dropped catches

They turned it around eventually thanks to the coach’s golden boy Shaheen but unfortunately it was a little too late and we were busy playing catch up on computer screen trying to work out nrr

No one apart from imad wasim took the sword and slayed the opposition bowlers in an extensive manner
Whether he was going against or with Arthur’s principles remains to be seen
 
Its a tricky one . . I have answered yes to the question, but it really depends on the alternative options. I don't want any local coach anywhere near the head coach position . .not because I have anything against them, but I just don't think anyone has the relevant experience or skills, analytical prowess, required professionalism (especially), and vision! Listening to most of them on TV is straight cringe worthy! They don't know nothing about fielding, top fitness regimes, science and power of data in todays game, waht to look for, etc. etc. (I can go on and on) . .

Foreign coaches . . well, depends on who's on the table . .

As for Mickey Arthur. Like I said, its tricky for the following reasons:
1. He has brought a shift in culture in the national setup . . knowing some people who are close to the cricket team vouch for that . . fielding (though it has dipped sharply since Steve Rixon left, is a massive thing in training and off the field)
2. Culture on fitness . .someone told me the average fitness from the time Mickey joined to now of the national team . . and it has gone up manifolds . I don't remember the exact figure so I don't want to misquote . .
3. Professinonalism in general has also improved . .

Making it tricky . . our results haven't improved at all! In fact, they have been pretty abysmal . . you can say that he had a very young team with a few bad eggs . . but you can see its starting to come together with a few promising under 25 year olds . . so there's reason for hope as far as I am concerned . .

See, I have always maintained, you can bring any coach in the world and the results won't change drastically . . because the output of the national team is directly proportional to whats happening below the national level . . that needs to be fixed . . coaches and professionalism and fielding and culture there will fix the national team in the long run . . Mickey recognizes that . . which is why I have hope from Wasim khan!

Immediately, I would like to see a chance in batting, bowling and fielding coaches . . the batting coach has been around 5 years . . thats enough time anyway . . bowling has regressed in the last year or 2 . . fielding . well the coach is not that old but standards have dipped . .

Bottomline, changing the coach will have no impact on results of this cricket team! So I would stick with Mickey . . but I would be curious to know who the alternatives are . .
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
I'm assuming there is no local coach who is qualified enough to do the job as Pakistan does not have a professional structure which could produce them. Of the foreign alternatives, Arthur has put a lot of heart and personal investment in the job which an alternative would find hard to match. I would keep him on for that reason alone, he gives 100% to Pakistan.
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He should have been sacked long time ago for the Test series debacles.

Not only that but in his tenure the only thing he has to show for is the CT 2017.

He needs to go.
 
Id like Mickey to stay. He is a proper coach not some ex cricketer getting a job like Mohsin Khan or Waqar Younis. Mickey main job is to improve the younger players which he has done well.

New captain and new bowling coach.
 
Time to replace him. He has been our coach since 2016 and still could not decide his best XI for WC
 
Pakistan needs a more micro (/process oriented) coach like Gary Kirsten who works at the nuts and bolts level. Mickey Arthur is not that. The modern game is very data driven and requires someone who can excel there.
 
1. I want Mickey Arthur to stay till T20 WC 2020. He has changed the culture of Pak side.
2. Gave the side a modern look.
3. Young players developed under him.
4. Knows Pak cricket.
5. Seems passionate specially when the match is on, love seeing his face to know the match situation.
6. Change the batting coach, bowling coach and fielding coach.
7. I think get Mohammad Yousuf on board for batting coach role. He is technically one of the finest batsman. If not for national side, get him as a batting coach for the U19 side & A side like India did with Rahul Dravid.
8. Wasim Akram as bowling coach will be fantastic to work with the likes of Shaheen & Amir.
9. Why are Saqlain & Mushtaq Ahmed working overseas ! Pakistan should get one of them to work with the spinners.
 
Mickey Arthur may have just saved his job by winning 4 matches in a row.
 
I think the PCB should look to keep hold of him in the meantime. I'm not sure what other options are out there and if they are as good a coach as Mickey. As coach he plays a big part in the selection of the team and the inclusion of Malik and Hasan Ali in the first few games of the world cup was baffling considering Malik is just not up to standard and Hasan has been out of sorts for a while now. Then again I am not sure how much of a say he has over the likes of Inzi and Sarfaraz.

One thing is for certain, if he does stay, he needs to start cracking the whip again in terms of the players' fitness. There should be no exceptions in this day and age. If you aren't fit enough, you shouldn't be picked to play for your country.

I do believe though that someone else needs to be given the captaincy and we will probably need a new bowling and fielding coach. The ground fielding has improved in the last few games, but we have dropped far too many catches and the majority of these are catches that should be taken at this level.
 
How can people ask him to stay?? are you guys for real? Mickey may be a great coach but he doesn't understand subcontinent team's mindset. We lost test series from the weakest lanka team just because he failed to understand that pak operates with 2 proper spinners. Same mistake was done when we played in UAE. He keeps doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. comon now:misbah3:misbah3:misbah3
 
Absolutely must stay.
He will have learnt so much,
He won't make the UAE blunders again , nor the sidelining seniority issue, as he knows we have good and better younger players.
Onwards and upwards
 
I voted no - for only one reason.

His philosophy may be all good, but he has become too close to the team. Which means he is no longer the disciplinarian he once was and one who is needed all the time, particularly by Pakistan.

This is a problem with all foreign coaches. They become evangelists.
 
Pakistan needs a foreign coach. There is NO doubt about that.

Mickey shell life is finished, need to replace him with someone , and make plans for next WC.
 
Think Abdul Razzaq may be available also.
 
Chokli said:
He should have been sacked long time ago for the Test series debacles.

Not only that but in his tenure the only thing he has to show for is the CT 2017.

He needs to go.
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I'm not saying he is a great coach, just that I don't think any local coach is qualified enough to do the job, and not sure a different foreign coach would put as much investment in. Bob Woolmer was the exception to this as he was very much a man who gave 100% commitment to the job. You need a coach who will be able to earn the players trust, and Mickey has at least done this much.
 
Keep Mickey and go English with:
Batting coach: Vaughan
Bowling coach: Hoggard
 
Just saw a ticker on Ary news .
Ehsan mani have meet mickey Arthur in england and offer him 1 year extension to coach Pakistan
 
I really don't know how people can still back mickey after being whitewashed by australia and england just before the world cup and an average world cup outing... Salam hai Bhai !
 
Keep Mickey and give him the freedom to appoint his own assistants (batting coach, bowling coach, fielding coach) and sack Inzamam
 
Captain said:
I really don't know how people can still back mickey after being whitewashed by australia and england just before the world cup and an average world cup outing... Salam hai Bhai !
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Because it wasn't him calling the shots. Inzi is the culprit that interfered beyond his job requirements
 
Hes passionate but clueless at the same time. Cant even control his emotions. Need a coach who can stay calm and manage players properly. I say get someone like Dean Jones as Pakistan head coach. Hes won 2 seasons with Islamanad United - a team that is never really rated too highly before a season of PSL.
 
Should definitely stay! Has done a good job and has out some standards in place, results haven’t always gone our way, but that’s expected in any sport. Should definitely stay until the next T20 WC, after which it would be more appropriate to review his performances
 
Hedz said:
Should definitely stay! Has done a good job and has out some standards in place, results haven’t always gone our way, but that’s expected in any sport. Should definitely stay until the next T20 WC, after which it would be more appropriate to review his performances
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Mickey is extremely poor tactician
Azhar is no better
Dean Jones - fantastic option
He has expressed desire to be coach on more than one occasion
He can bring his own team
 
He is clueless. He doesn't even do his main job right, select the best XI, it's always mid tournament until he gets it right, and he possibly cost us qualification to the semis as a result despite having 2 years to work it out. He's done it before with Champions Trophy, test series against Sri Lanka etc. Poor judge of talent, and benefits from others realising it for him e.g. Dean identifying Sharjeel.

Our short lived success is due to talented players coming into the team and performing. Once they play for a while, they lose effectiveness and become bad. Look at Fakhar, Hasan. Even Amir he only improved after spending time outside of the squad working with the coaches there. Mickey isn't building/grooming players at all. A good coach should improve or at least keep the players at that level, not deterioration.

On field tactics are not good. And of course Mickey fails regularly with PSL despite often having the strongest team on paper.

Not to mention is comments are pretty poor taste in the media, saying stuff like Riaz hasn't won a game in 2 years, happy to shift the blame to the players.

Get someone in who actually understands how to play in Asian conditions. I think the reason why Pakistan do well in UK and not elsewhere is because Azhar understands how to bowl in England conditions with county cricket having spent ages playing there with success, that's what he's used to.
 
Captain said:
I really don't know how people can still back mickey after being whitewashed by australia and england just before the world cup and an average world cup outing... Salam hai Bhai !
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until the structure doesn't change doesn't matter who the coach is the same will happen.
 
ads101 said:
Our short lived success is due to talented players coming into the team and performing. Once they play for a while, they lose effectiveness and become bad. Look at Fakhar, Hasan. Even Amir he only improved after spending time outside of the squad working with the coaches there. Mickey isn't building/grooming players at all. A good coach should improve or at least keep the players at that level, not deterioration.

On field tactics are not good. And of course Mickey fails regularly with PSL despite often having the strongest team on paper.

Not to mention is comments are pretty poor taste in the media, saying stuff like Riaz hasn't won a game in 2 years, happy to shift the blame to the players.

Get someone in who actually understands how to play in Asian conditions. I think the reason why Pakistan do well in UK and not elsewhere is because Azhar understands how to bowl in England conditions with county cricket having spent ages playing there with success, that's what he's used to.
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Youngsters like Babar, Imam and Shaheen are progressing well. Mickey's fault is that he clung onto the seniors Hafeez and Malik for one tournament too many.

The on field tactics are on Sarfraz - he never attacks a new batsman and always looks to bowl out the 50 overe than bowl out the opposition. He doesn't hold his nerve in tight games.

Wahab deserved those comments. We always complain about seniors not being held accountable by management but when Mickey did with Wahab, people still complain. He wasn't training with right attitude and his form didn't justify a place in the team. To his credit, his time away did him good and he's come back well in this World Cup.
 
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