Should Pakistan expel the French Ambassador?

[hoshiarpurexpress]

So, it seems after some mayhem the Pakistan senate will vote on the bill.
What is the desired outcome for common Pakistanis.
Expel the Ambassador or not ?

 

[Savak]

Absolutely. Insulting the holy prophet knowing full well the hurt and emotional turmoil it causes to Muslims worldwide cannot be tolerated

 

[Tubs]

No. Cartoons aren't a reason to sour a relation with a top-5 economy.

 

[Varun]

Absolutely. Insulting the holy prophet knowing full well the hurt and emotional turmoil it causes to Muslims worldwide cannot be tolerated

Sorry I'm a little out of the loop on this - is this about last year's Charlie Hebdo cartoon? Why the delayed reaction then?

Sounds like this fringe group is just looking to earn political mileage.

 

[Bigboii]

Sorry I'm a little out of the loop on this - is this about last year's Charlie Hebdo cartoon? Why the delayed reaction then?

Sounds like this fringe group is just looking to earn political mileage.

Zero seats in Parliament but armed with plenty of street power..

 

[Varun]

Zero seats in Parliament but armed with plenty of street power..

Oh, we have those in India too.

 

[PakLFC]

No. Expelling him will do us no good.

 

[Local.Dada]

Absolutely. Insulting the holy prophet knowing full well the hurt and emotional turmoil it causes to Muslims worldwide cannot be tolerated

Does that apply to only Pakistan Muslims? Not sure Turkey, Arab countries, South Asian countries, Iran or closer to home India,Bangladesh,Afghanistan seem to care. Now not saying they don’t care about insult to prophet PBUH, that as a Hindu even I condemn insulting someone’s religion to prove a point but still why is Pakistan so triggered about this?

You know having issues with France diplomatically will also influence other Euro counties right? Right now given Pakistan’s economic condition and world stature diplomatically, do you think it’s a good idea?

I just want to pick your brain because you clearly are an articulate guy with education. It’s scary what the average joe in Pakistan with 0 prospects would feel about this if the educated take this stance.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Does that apply to only Pakistan Muslims? Not sure Turkey, Arab countries, South Asian countries, Iran or closer to home India,Bangladesh,Afghanistan seem to care. Now not saying they don’t care about insult to prophet PBUH, that as a Hindu even I condemn insulting someone’s religion to prove a point but still why is Pakistan so triggered about this?

You know having issues with France diplomatically will also influence other Euro counties right? Right now given Pakistan’s economic condition and world stature diplomatically, do you think it’s a good idea?

I just want to pick your brain because you clearly are an articulate guy with education. It’s scary what the average joe in Pakistan with 0 prospects would feel about this if the educated take this stance.

Every nation has the right to decide for itself but all Muslims would be offended by the France's rabid Islamaphobia.

Ideally all nations should have relations with others but France isnt the reason all people in Pakistan are eating bread and drinking water.

Their ambassador should be sent back as a matter of principle.

 

[Free Hit]

Definitely Yes!

 

[PetroDollars]

you can only be an extremist yourself to support such a backwards opinion,

Its like saying should western nations put sanctions on pakistan for every time a minority is killed, especially a christian as there christian countries.
If the west started paying back pakistan for the same things the religous elements in the country want, pakistan would be dead in the water in less then a week.

only people with no formal education support such decisions.

 

[KingKhanWC]

you can only be an extremist yourself to support such a backwards opinion,

Its like saying should western nations put sanctions on pakistan for every time a minority is killed, especially a christian as there christian countries.
If the west started paying back pakistan for the same things the religous elements in the country want, pakistan would be dead in the water in less then a week.

only people with no formal education support such decisions.

Such a daft post lol.

Firstly the west has been attacking Pakistan through various means such as sanctions, drone attacks and covert operations when Pakistan had nothing to do with 911. Perhaps you havent noticed?

Secondly, its common for ambassadors to be expelled.

Please make some intelligent points before callling out others on their education.

 

[psyoptica]

Yes Pakistan should expel the French ambassador.

Pakistan should also stop existing.

 

[PetroDollars]

Such a daft post lol.

Firstly the west has been attacking Pakistan through various means such as sanctions, drone attacks and covert operations when Pakistan had nothing to do with 911. Perhaps you havent noticed?

Secondly, its common for ambassadors to be expelled.

Please make some intelligent points before callling out others on their education.

You dont make any sense

This is about expelling ambassadors, its got nothing to do with other countries attacks.

Theres reasons for sanctions or attacks, and its got nothing to do with cartoons or racism, pakistan has enough racism against others that maybe everyone should expell pakistani ambassdors.

You dont sack ambassadors based on that, because if you did pakistan will drown. Even sacking frances ambassdor will hurt pakistans economy very badly, you obviously wont understand that considering your hatred for the west is overflowing in you.

 

[Kroll]

So, it seems after some mayhem the Pakistan senate will vote on the bill.
What is the desired outcome for common Pakistanis.
Expel the Ambassador or not ?

So the govt. is voting on a bill as a result of mob rule and street anarchy?

 

[KingKhanWC]

You dont make any sense

This is about expelling ambassadors, its got nothing to do with other countries attacks.

Theres reasons for sanctions or attacks, and its got nothing to do with cartoons or racism, pakistan has enough racism against others that maybe everyone should expell pakistani ambassdors.

You dont sack ambassadors based on that, because if you did pakistan will drown. Even sacking frances ambassdor will hurt pakistans economy very badly, you obviously wont understand that considering your hatred for the west is overflowing in you.

You really are clueless, please study history of geo-politics.

Ambassadors have been expelled for many reasons, many minor reasons. Im not going to educate you but here is one example, Ecuador expelled Heather Hodges of the US for simply not providing answers to questions. Imran has called out the French but the racist government is totally ignoring his concerns, so send him back , simple.

The harm to the economy is small compared to the last 20 years where France along with others invaded Afghanistan and thus hurt Pak badly.

You wrote "If the west started paying back pakistan for the same things the religous elements in the country want, pakistan would be dead in the water in less then a week."

The west have murdered 300 Pakistani kids with drone strikes but thats fine by you.

 

[PetroDollars]

You really are clueless, please study history of geo-politics.

Ambassadors have been expelled for many reasons, many minor reasons. Im not going to educate you but here is one example, Ecuador expelled Heather Hodges of the US for simply not providing answers to questions. Imran has called out the French but the racist government is totally ignoring his concerns, so send him back , simple.

The harm to the economy is small compared to the last 20 years where France along with others invaded Afghanistan and thus hurt Pak badly.

You wrote "If the west started paying back pakistan for the same things the religous elements in the country want, pakistan would be dead in the water in less then a week."

The west have murdered 300 Pakistani kids with drone strikes but thats fine by you.

I dont need history or geo-politics lessons from a person who probably listens to zaid hamid before bed time.

Anything to do with facts is clueless for you, so im fine with you calling me that.

As for the french, they are not bound to listen to Imran, especially when he talks nonsense, how can you rule a country with blasphemy laws and expect anyone to take you seriously in the west,

secondly, the harm is not small to pakistan, because they will be hitting the whole EU not just france, it one of pakistans biggest importers, your industries will crumble which are alreadly on there last legs.

Like i said your so overflowing with hate against the west, you cant see whats right or wrong for yourself.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I dont need history or geo-politics lessons from a person who probably listens to zaid hamid before bed time.

Anything to do with facts is clueless for you, so im fine with you calling me that.

As for the french, they are not bound to listen to Imran, especially when he talks nonsense, how can you rule a country with blasphemy laws and expect anyone to take you seriously in the west,

secondly, the harm is not small to pakistan, because they will be hitting the whole EU not just france, it one of pakistans biggest importers, your industries will crumble which are alreadly on there last legs.

Like i said your so overflowing with hate against the west, you cant see whats right or wrong for yourself.

Your first two sentences are laughable.

I hate those who kill innocent people esp kids and these are the governments of the west who are state terrorists. You seem to support them in their crimes.

Kicking out the French ambassador will have little impact, no industry will crumble because of this lol.

You're not Pakistani, so what is your background?

 

[trying_2b_object]

Can we also have a poll for expelling the Chinese ambassador?

 

[Major]

What purpose would it serve?

Eventually another French Ambassador would come.

The mission and embassy stays in place, it won't be closing down.

Plus, if Pakistan decides to close down embassey as of a whole and send the whole mission back packing, the French Pakistanis would suffer as France would have to shut the pakistani embassy in France. Thus, Pakistanis in france would face problems there.

I think many people really dont think these things through. TLP is jahil and its supporters are also jahils, and they dont understand foreign policy or relations.

Sending the ambassador back has become just a dramaybazi. He will eventually be repalced with another Ambssasdor.

This Ambassadors tenure is going to be completed by June

 

[Major]

Your first two sentences are laughable.

I hate those who kill innocent people esp kids and these are the governments of the west who are state terrorists. You seem to support them in their crimes.

Kicking out the French ambassador will have little impact, no industry will crumble because of this lol.

You're not Pakistani, so what is your background?

France has a big say on European Union policies. Deteriorating relations by kicking out the ambassador could mean France asking Europe to impose strict regulations on Pakistani Imports. Pakistan could suffer from such decisions.

Pakistani Textile exports to France are valued upto $137.95 million in 2019. Relations break down, France could end up diverting the trade to India or Bangladesh.

 

[Tubs]

Your first two sentences are laughable.

I hate those who kill innocent people esp kids and these are the governments of the west who are state terrorists. You seem to support them in their crimes.

Kicking out the French ambassador will have little impact, no industry will crumble because of this lol.

You're not Pakistani, so what is your background?

In France you can be Muslim without ramifications from the state. Yes, they probably shouldn't ban hijabs in school, but it's at least consistent with other religious garbs being banned.

In China, they have outlawed 'abnormal beards' for men in Xinjiang, obviously targeting Muslim men. They have banned the burqa there (which isn't a religious necessity, but I know you'd complain if a Western country did it).

A Chinese embassy official in Pakistan tweeted 'Off your hijab, let me see your eyes', with a woman (presumably an Uighur), dancing. Here is the link to an article: https://english.alaraby.co.uk/engli...-official-in-Pakistan-in-belly-dancer-scandal

Do you want him expelled?

 

[KingKhanWC]

In France you can be Muslim without ramifications from the state. Yes, they probably shouldn't ban hijabs in school, but it's at least consistent with other religious garbs being banned.

In China, they have outlawed 'abnormal beards' for men in Xinjiang, obviously targeting Muslim men. They have banned the burqa there (which isn't a religious necessity, but I know you'd complain if a Western country did it).

A Chinese embassy official in Pakistan tweeted 'Off your hijab, let me see your eyes', with a woman (presumably an Uighur), dancing. Here is the link to an article: https://english.alaraby.co.uk/engli...-official-in-Pakistan-in-belly-dancer-scandal

Do you want him expelled?

A country can expel who they want, they dont need your validation.

Majority of Pak Muslims are disgusted by France & not by China.

France is not the same with all religions as you claim. Im not really interested in discussing this with a secret Ex-Muslim who clearly is anti-Islam. Feel free to say what you like but you're wasting time trying to debate with me, I will simply ignore you due to a lack of respect.

 

[Tubs]

A country can expel who they want, they dont need your validation.

Majority of Pak Muslims are disgusted by France & not by China.

France is not the same with all religions as you claim. Im not really interested in discussing this with a secret Ex-Muslim who clearly is anti-Islam. Feel free to say what you like but you're wasting time trying to debate with me, I will simply ignore you due to a lack of respect.

The proposed hijab ban won't pass as law, if it did, I would agree with you. As it stands now, all religions are treated equally in France, stop being dishonest.

Now answer my question about the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan who tweets about Uighur women not wearing hijab. Do you want him expelled?

 

[KingKhanWC]

France has a big say on European Union policies. Deteriorating relations by kicking out the ambassador could mean France asking Europe to impose strict regulations on Pakistani Imports. Pakistan could suffer from such decisions.

Pakistani Textile exports to France are valued upto $137.95 million in 2019. Relations break down, France could end up diverting the trade to India or Bangladesh.

This will not happen. France was upset when Muslim nations were boycotting products, its not a one way street.

This is a very small price to pay(if it even happens) in honour of the Prophet(pbuh) and also in supporting Muslims, while standing up against Islamaphobic extremist France.

France has a long history of disgusting bigotory which is well known in Europe, other nations know what they are like and want to distance themselves from these clowns.

 

[Tubs]

So I hope everyone sees how these extremists go silent when China is mentioned, who are objectively worse than France. In France, children of all religions can't wear religious garments in school. Yes, it does restrict religious freedom and probably shouldn't be the case, but that is far different from what China are doing. The French diplomat wasn't involved at all with the cartoons, but the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan has been tweeting about Uighur women taking off hijab, and seems to tweet a lot about Uighur women dancing. He seems very weird and very obsessed. This, however, isn't means for expulsion, apparently. Very interesting.

 

[miandadrules]

This will not happen. France was upset when Muslim nations were boycotting products, its not a one way street.

This is a very small price to pay(if it even happens) in honour of the Prophet(pbuh) and also in supporting Muslims, while standing up against Islamaphobic extremist France.

France has a long history of disgusting bigotory which is well known in Europe, other nations know what they are like and want to distance themselves from these clowns.

Small price to pay for whom?

You will not be affected by it. The poor of Pakistan, those that are in most need will feel the effects.

When will you take a stand that adversely affects you?

 

[moghul]

Absolutely not, does not make any sense.

Pakistani Muslims should put their efforts to follow Prophet's teaching in true sense and should not be bothered about what France or other countries do in their own land.

 

[psyoptica]

I find it incredible how some really decent humans become extremely obnoxious when it comes to defending their narrow minded religious views.
Common sense and logic goes out the window.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I find it incredible how some really decent humans become extremely obnoxious when it comes to defending their narrow minded religious views.
Common sense and logic goes out the window.

Wanting the French to stop their discrimation and abuse against a minority people in their lands and against the most practiced single way of life in history is the opposite, its standing up against disgusting hate.

Hillarious post. lol

 

[psyoptica]

Wanting the French to stop their discrimation and abuse against a minority people in their lands and against the most practiced single way of life in history is the opposite, its standing up against disgusting hate.

Hillarious post. lol

Right. It’s not discrimination when China does it to their muslims or when Pakistan does it to it’s minority population. Because we are the hypocrites of the highest order.
We should be the last ones to question others on morality when this nation is devoid of any moral and ethical values which we fail to see in us.

 

[miandadrules]

I find it incredible how some really decent humans become extremely obnoxious when it comes to defending their narrow minded religious views.
Common sense and logic goes out the window.

Decent?

I don’t think advocating a policy that will adversely affect the most vulnerable members of a already poor society, whilst enjoying the freedoms you wish to curtail for them, is many things but it’s certainly isn’t decent.

 

[PetroDollars]

Your first two sentences are laughable.

I hate those who kill innocent people esp kids and these are the governments of the west who are state terrorists. You seem to support them in their crimes.

Kicking out the French ambassador will have little impact, no industry will crumble because of this lol.

You're not Pakistani, so what is your background?

Lol, i just love it how you call people hindu, atheists, not pakistanis just because they dont subscribe to your extremist agenda while at the same time quite obviously your a terrosim apologist yourself.

Just to satisfy your ego, i am Pakistani.

You only hate those who kill your people, while you seem to celebrate the death of every non-muslim.

But like i said this has got nothing to do with this matter, you seem confused.

Expelling the french ambassdar is not because france joined the wot or supported american drone strikes, when those happened, no one raised a voice did they? how many asshiq-e-rasools went to block streets when france supported the WoT and pakistan joined them? where were the aashiqs then?

like i said your confused, this issue is about expelling an ambassadar because your friends in pakistan think france is being rude to islam, making comments, not killing them, THATS THE ISSUE.
If you agree with that then any rational person should agree those countries should return the favor and expell pakistani ambassadors because pakistan has the worse human rights record, that only makes sense right.

As for kicking out the ambassador and its effects on the economy, there is a reason why imran despite being a taliban sympatizer is hesitating to kick him out and begging people to stop there nonsense, he even said it will hurt pak.

 

[Nadeemp]

Such a daft post lol.

Firstly the west has been attacking Pakistan through various means such as sanctions, drone attacks and covert operations when Pakistan had nothing to do with 911. Perhaps you havent noticed?

Secondly, its common for ambassadors to be expelled.

Please make some intelligent points before callling out others on their education.

Th mastermind of 911 sheikh Mohammed was part pakistani and found in Pakistan, osama was found in Pakistan. But yes pakistan has nothing to do with anything. However I am against all from attacks

 

[Nadeemp]

What purpose would it serve?

You are talking to brain dead people

Eventually another French Ambassador would come.

The mission and embassy stays in place, it won't be closing down.

Plus, if Pakistan decides to close down embassey as of a whole and send the whole mission back packing, the French Pakistanis would suffer as France would have to shut the pakistani embassy in France. Thus, Pakistanis in france would face problems there.

I think many people really dont think these things through. TLP is jahil and its supporters are also jahils, and they dont understand foreign policy or relations.

Sending the ambassador back has become just a dramaybazi. He will eventually be repalced with another Ambssasdor.

This Ambassadors tenure is going to be completed by June

You are talking to brain dead people

 

[Nadeemp]

Against all drone attacks *

 

[Nadeemp]

Lol, i just love it how you call people hindu, atheists, not pakistanis just because they dont subscribe to your extremist agenda while at the same time quite obviously your a terrosim apologist yourself.

Just to satisfy your ego, i am Pakistani.

You only hate those who kill your people, while you seem to celebrate the death of every non-muslim.

But like i said this has got nothing to do with this matter, you seem confused.

Expelling the french ambassdar is not because france joined the wot or supported american drone strikes, when those happened, no one raised a voice did they? how many asshiq-e-rasools went to block streets when france supported the WoT and pakistan joined them? where were the aashiqs then?

like i said your confused, this issue is about expelling an ambassadar because your friends in pakistan think france is being rude to islam, making comments, not killing them, THATS THE ISSUE.
If you agree with that then any rational person should agree those countries should return the favor and expell pakistani ambassadors because pakistan has the worse human rights record, that only makes sense right.

As for kicking out the ambassador and its effects on the economy, there is a reason why imran despite being a taliban sympatizer is hesitating to kick him out and begging people to stop there nonsense, he even said it will hurt pak.

France can force all of EU to ban products from Pakistan . A complete ban. Not kinda ban you observed when you were boycotting France (king khan). That will hurt the middle and lower middle class pakistanis.

 

[gazza619]

France can force all of EU to ban products from Pakistan . A complete ban. Not kinda ban you observed when you were boycotting France (king khan). That will hurt the middle and lower middle class pakistanis.

Thats true.

I am just thinking we might be as well officially accept Israel. Whats the point of having a separate policy linked to emotions for Israel.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

No appeasing the Mullahs. Only ones that will be hurt by a expulsion will be Pakistan.

 

[CricketCartoons]

France can force all of EU to ban products from Pakistan . A complete ban. Not kinda ban you observed when you were boycotting France (king khan). That will hurt the middle and lower middle class pakistanis.

Watch Orya Maqbool Jan sahab's latest video and see how he has demolished all such arguments.

 

[Savak]

The French Govt must be pressurized to take action against anyone who mocks, insults the Holy Prophet. The time has come to take this step.

 

[Varun]

The French Govt must be pressurized to take action against anyone who mocks, insults the Holy Prophet. The time has come to take this step.

Mark this post. Whatever happens with this ambassador (1 year after the event lol), it won't be long before Charlie Hebdo puts out another cartoon that will make you go crazy, and has nothing to do with any ambassador.

Even if it's some Mauretanian and Indonesian going at it in downtown Macedonia, you just know which country will get its knickers in a twist.

 

[uberkoen]

Why are we engaged so much in ideological discussions right and wrong Islamic unislamic all the time . Thats what I don’t understand about Pakistan. The rest of the countries don’t give a **** .

Look at all other Islamic nations . Look at the more conservative Islamic nations like Afghanistan. Did Taliban ask French ambassador to leave or they would step up attacks ? No . Its just a Pakistani thing . There are 57 Islamic nations and nobody showed a response like us .

No other country in the world cares about such things.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Why are we engaged so much in ideological discussions right and wrong Islamic unislamic all the time . Thats what I don’t understand about Pakistan. The rest of the countries don’t give a **** .

Look at all other Islamic nations . Look at the more conservative Islamic nations like Afghanistan. Did Taliban ask French ambassador to leave or they would step up attacks ? No . Its just a Pakistani thing . There are 57 Islamic nations and nobody showed a response like us .

No other country in the world cares about such things.

Only one party, that too with zero seats in parliament, wants the ambassador to leave.

And those other countries for the most part have less democracy than Pakistan, or are more secular, so you dont have a political party trying to score points in those countries.

 

[Forward Defensive Push]

We would be stupid to expel the French ambassador at this time. But I'm fully sure this government will do exactly that to satisfy the street goons.

 

[ahsan17]

I am really hoping this is all just a bluff - either to buy time and/or to plan something bigger against TLP. Perhaps get the SSG against involved against these TLP thugs.

 

[Zeshan547]

I am really hoping this is all just a bluff - either to buy time and/or to plan something bigger against TLP. Perhaps get the SSG against involved against these TLP thugs.

Wao you are living in some alternate reality. Come back and wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[gkb101277867]

When does the vote happen which decides whether he will be expelled or not?

 

[Robert]

A country can expel who they want, they dont need your validation.

Majority of Pak Muslims are disgusted by France & not by China.

.

I hope not.

France - bans burkha in public. Says Islam is in “crisis” after a teacher is murdered. Illiberal, overgeneralised, but not human rights infraction.

China - imprisons a million Muslims in labour camps and sterilises the women. Basically commits genocide.

I would like to think a majority of Pakistani Muslims can tell that one of these is worse than the other.

 

[RajBan]

I hope not.

France - bans burkha in public. Says Islam is in “crisis” after a teacher is murdered. Illiberal, overgeneralised, but not human rights infraction.

China - imprisons a million Muslims in labour camps and sterilises the women. Basically commits genocide.

I would like to think a majority of Pakistani Muslims can tell that one of these is worse than the other.

China is an all weather friend, that helps with the economic boom in Pakistan, hence it's perfectly understandable why China won't be measured through the same lens by Pakistan and it's citizens.

I am pretty sure if France also invests 60bn in Pakistan, the Pakistani govt and senate as well as TLP will reconsider their acts and reconcile with France.

And it's a perfectly normal thing to do in this world. France has been at the forefront of FATF verdict on Pakistan, so don't see a reason why Pakistan should give them any space when theh get an opportunity. It's daily geopolitics.

 

[90MPH]

Why ? What purpose would it serve, other than some cheap publicity for the extreme molvies in Pak ?

Pakistan has given these molvies far too much credibility and power when in reality they perform abysmally at the polls.

It’s embarrassing such a question should be asked tbh.
I mean if France had directly attacked Pakistan in some fashion on any of their institutions fair enough but they haven’t done this remotely in any capacity.

There are so many issues to focus on to make Pakistan a better country and a welcoming country but instead we give these reactionaries far too much prevalence who do the exact opposite, for no good reason.

This is the definition of an own goal, or punching yourself in the face.

 

[Varun]

China is an all weather friend, that helps with the economic boom in Pakistan, hence it's perfectly understandable why China won't be measured through the same lens by Pakistan and it's citizens.

I am pretty sure if France also invests 60bn in Pakistan, the Pakistani govt and senate as well as TLP will reconsider their acts and reconcile with France.

And it's a perfectly normal thing to do in this world. France has been at the forefront of FATF verdict on Pakistan, so don't see a reason why Pakistan should give them any space when theh get an opportunity. It's daily geopolitics.

So basically - Pakistan has a price and China (and Saudi Arabia) are paying it to keep them satiated, while the likes of France are not?

 

[Nadeemp]

I hope not.

France - bans burkha in public. Says Islam is in “crisis” after a teacher is murdered. Illiberal, overgeneralised, but not human rights infraction.

China - imprisons a million Muslims in labour camps and sterilises the women. Basically commits genocide.

I would like to think a majority of Pakistani Muslims can tell that one of these is worse than the other.

But but but.......

 

[world cup captain]

So basically - Pakistan has a price and China (and Saudi Arabia) are paying it to keep them satiated, while the likes of France are not?

Nailed it. But who doesn't have a price anymore?

 

[RohitD]

China is an all weather friend, that helps with the economic boom in Pakistan, hence it's perfectly understandable why China won't be measured through the same lens by Pakistan and it's citizens.

I am pretty sure if France also invests 60bn in Pakistan, the Pakistani govt and senate as well as TLP will reconsider their acts and reconcile with France.

And it's a perfectly normal thing to do in this world. France has been at the forefront of FATF verdict on Pakistan, so don't see a reason why Pakistan should give them any space when theh get an opportunity. It's daily geopolitics.

I understand the Pakistani state behaviour. But what about TLP ? Why are they willing to overlook Chinese behaviour, but not France ?

 

[PetroDollars]

Watch Orya Maqbool Jan sahab's latest video and see how he has demolished all such arguments.

This is the same guy that supports ISIS and says there preparing the world for the second coming of jesus )

 

[PetroDollars]

The French Govt must be pressurized to take action against anyone who mocks, insults the Holy Prophet. The time has come to take this step.

Who is going to pressure Pakistan to sort out its terrible human rights record, close down there muslim coversion factories, stop there torture of minorities etc.
untill that is done you have no right to talk about how other countries are making cartoons to mock you.

When are pakistanis going to realise the buck starts with them.

 

[Varun]

You know that stock market phrase? The market stops being a bull market when the last bear becomes a bull, and the market stops being a bear market when the last bull becomes a bear.

In the same fashion, Pakistanis will get over this when the last of them stops reacting to the Charlie Hebdo cartoons.

It shouldn't be too hard, no other Islamic nation has taken such grand offense, so it must be possible.

 

[Nadeemp]

Watch Orya Maqbool Jan sahab's latest video and see how he has demolished all such arguments.

Mr orya is one of the biggest tools in pakistan. He speaks Utter nonsense

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Right. It’s not discrimination when China does it to their muslims or when Pakistan does it to it’s minority population. Because we are the hypocrites of the highest order.
We should be the last ones to question others on morality when this nation is devoid of any moral and ethical values which we fail to see in us.

Your national public are not as educated or ethically advanced as you. Their ethics and morality will be fairly straightforward, they will have learned only the rudimentary story that France has supported the insulting of their Prophet PBUH, and maulvis will be stoking up the emotions based on that. Simple Muslims only raise an objection when their Rasool SAW is attacked, perhaps if China did this openly then there would be an equally adverse reaction. China play it smart, they will sell it that they are uplifting the living conditions of Uighurs.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Lol, i just love it how you call people hindu, atheists, not pakistanis just because they dont subscribe to your extremist agenda while at the same time quite obviously your a terrosim apologist yourself.

Just to satisfy your ego, i am Pakistani.

You only hate those who kill your people, while you seem to celebrate the death of every non-muslim.

But like i said this has got nothing to do with this matter, you seem confused.

Expelling the french ambassdar is not because france joined the wot or supported american drone strikes, when those happened, no one raised a voice did they? how many asshiq-e-rasools went to block streets when france supported the WoT and pakistan joined them? where were the aashiqs then?

like i said your confused, this issue is about expelling an ambassadar because your friends in pakistan think france is being rude to islam, making comments, not killing them, THATS THE ISSUE.
If you agree with that then any rational person should agree those countries should return the favor and expell pakistani ambassadors because pakistan has the worse human rights record, that only makes sense right.

As for kicking out the ambassador and its effects on the economy, there is a reason why imran despite being a taliban sympatizer is hesitating to kick him out and begging people to stop there nonsense, he even said it will hurt pak.

Try reading carefully, I never called you a Hindu lol.

You wrote

" it one of pakistans biggest importers, your industries will crumble which are alreadly on there last legs.

Should read OURS then if you're also Pakistani. Are you a Muslim too?

You've wrote nothing but a childish rant lol.

You miss the point, the war on terror has not only killed hundreds of children, thousands of people but also destroyed the ecomony, perhaps you've been not paying attention?

Kicking out the French ambassador will have minimul effect to an already weak economy.

Ex Muslims, Athiests and other secularists arent worth debating as they are coming from a biased position and also dont have the intelligence to understand the bond with the Prophet(pbuh) and Muslims.

Muslims have endoured two decades of hate, bombings, invasions, economic sanctions which are forms of extremist behaviour & state terrorism. Muslims will show their anger and disgust when on top of this they also attack our Prophet(pbuh) who in Muslim opinion and many non-Muslim opinion was the greatest man to set foot on this planet.


Leave our faith alone, go hate on your own people or look in the mirror. Muslims will never back down on standing up for the Prophet(pbuh).

Such people who spend day & night spreading hate against Islam are feel free to continue, Islam is here for good. I wont be debating with such people on here from now.

 

[guna]

Try reading carefully, I never called you a Hindu lol.

You wrote

" it one of pakistans biggest importers, your industries will crumble which are alreadly on there last legs.

Should read OURS then if you're also Pakistani. Are you a Muslim too?

You've wrote nothing but a childish rant lol.

You miss the point, the war on terror has not only killed hundreds of children, thousands of people but also destroyed the ecomony, perhaps you've been not paying attention?

Kicking out the French ambassador will have minimul effect to an already weak economy.

Ex Muslims, Athiests and other secularists arent worth debating as they are coming from a biased position and also dont have the intelligence to understand the bond with the Prophet(pbuh) and Muslims.

Muslims have endoured two decades of hate, bombings, invasions, economic sanctions which are forms of extremist behaviour & state terrorism. Muslims will show their anger and disgust when on top of this they also attack our Prophet(pbuh) who in Muslim opinion and many non-Muslim opinion was the greatest man to set foot on this planet.


Leave our faith alone, go hate on your own people or look in the mirror. Muslims will never back down on standing up for the Prophet(pbuh).

Such people who spend day & night spreading hate against Islam are feel free to continue, Islam is here for good. I wont be debating with such people on here from now.

Pakistan's enemies would be hoping that everyone in Pakistan is like you. It will push Pakistan back to stone age.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Pakistan's enemies would be hoping that everyone in Pakistan is like you. It will push Pakistan back to stone age.

You can keep dreaming.

In the last 20 years almost everything has been tried inc sancations. Or are you in the delusion the cowardly French government will go to war with a nuclear nation.

Please stay away from Bollywood.

 

[rvd]

How can you blame the ambassador for what a magazine printed. France has freedom of the press.

 

[Stewie]

I am not in favor of cutting off ties when other muslim countries are not doing it. It is ridiculous to even suggest something like that. Why does Pakistan have to be the only defender of the faith? Saudis dont throw such tantrums. None of the other Arab countries do. Iran already has too many sanctions on it so they really wouldnt care.

Besides there are millions of muslims in France that this ambassador represents. Why would we want to cut off diplomatic relations? Use them to work on the problem.

 

[KingKhanWC]

How can you blame the ambassador for what a magazine printed. France has freedom of the press.

France allowed disgusting photos of the Prophet(pbuh) to be projected onto buildings, this is one of many hateful Islamaphobic policies they have.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not in favor of cutting off ties when other muslim countries are not doing it. It is ridiculous to even suggest something like that. Why does Pakistan have to be the only defender of the faith? Saudis dont throw such tantrums. None of the other Arab countries do. Iran already has too many sanctions on it so they really wouldnt care.

Besides there are millions of muslims in France that this ambassador represents. Why would we want to cut off diplomatic relations? Use them to work on the problem.

Ideally you wouldnt and it wont last forever but its symbolic. Nations expel ambassadors all the time, this is normal when the nation feels others are hurting them inc their state religion.

Come on bro, you're smart enough to know the Saudi regime are nothing more than installed puppets after WW1. Same goes for other Arab regimes, dictatorships and many Muslim governments.

Muslims all over the world are angry but in Pakistan they can have their say.

Besides democracy means the will of the people. If the majority want him out, it should be respected.

 

[Stewie]

You cannot force someone to respect your Prophet, God, religious deities, philosophies, etc.
This much I know. You can simply try to shut them up and if it works, they still dont deep inside respect those ideals. They just dont show it for whatever reasons.
And if it doesnt work, well the cycle keeps going and you end up looking like a cry baby.

here is the million dollar question: Why does it matter to you so much if certain people respect your ideals? Does their affirmation mean so much to you? Why are these people being given so much importance? Isnt it true they only gain importance if you give it to them?

 

[Stewie]

Ideally you wouldnt and it wont last forever but its symbolic. Nations expel ambassadors all the time, this is normal when the nation feels others are hurting them inc their state religion.

Come on bro, you're smart enough to know the Saudi regime are nothing more than installed puppets after WW1. Same goes for other Arab regimes, dictatorships and many Muslim governments.

Muslims all over the world are angry but in Pakistan they can have their say.

Besides democracy means the will of the people. If the majority want him out, it should be respected.

what about Indonesia and Malaysia and other Muslims countries who dont have installed puppets? Bangladesh? Turkey?

 

[KingKhanWC]

You cannot force someone to respect your Prophet, God, religious deities, philosophies, etc.
This much I know. You can simply try to shut them up and if it works, they still dont deep inside respect those ideals. They just dont show it for whatever reasons.
And if it doesnt work, well the cycle keeps going and you end up looking like a cry baby.

here is the million dollar question: Why does it matter to you so much if certain people respect your ideals? Does their affirmation mean so much to you? Why are these people being given so much importance? Isnt it true they only gain importance if you give it to them?

Its a 50c question imo.

Because such hatred incites more hate inc violence, killings, discrimination, bombings, sanctions against Muslims and their nations because of the war of terror, the biggest form of terrorism seen in our lifetime.

This is nothing new, Islam & the Prophet(pbuh) have been attacked since day 1. It wouldnt matter as much if the last 20 years were different.

Such hatred could directly effect you or your family.

 

[KingKhanWC]

what about Indonesia and Malaysia and other Muslims countries who dont have installed puppets? Bangladesh? Turkey?

Bangladesh regime is a joke, bows down to India. The people feel the same as other Muslims.

Turkey and Malaysia have spoken out hard against France , calling for boycotts and their people have similar requests too.

 

[Varun]

Bangladesh regime is a joke, bows down to India. The people feel the same as other Muslims.

Turkey and Malaysia have spoken out hard against France , calling for boycotts and their people have similar requests too.

All a bunch of empty vessels.

Nothing will happen.

 

[mazkhan]

BBC
Captain Sir Tom Moore died in hospital last Tuesday

A man has been charged in Lanarkshire in connection with an offensive social media tweet about Captain Sir Tom Moore.

Sir Tom died in Bedford Hospital last Tuesday, aged 100, after testing positive for Covid-19.

He had captured the nation's hearts with his fundraising efforts during the first coronavirus lockdown, raising more than £30m for NHS charities.

The 35-year-old man is due to appear in court later this week.

World War Two veteran Sir Tom's family said the last year of his life was "nothing short of remarkable" and that he had "experienced things he'd only ever dreamed of".

'National inspiration' dies with Covid-19
Obituary: Captain Sir Tom Moore, a hero who gave a nation hope
A Police Scotland spokeswoman said: "On Friday 5 February 2021, we received a report of an offensive tweet about Captain Sir Tom Moore who died on Tuesday 2 February.

"A 35-year-old man has subsequently been arrested and charged in connection with communication offences and is due to appear at Lanark Sheriff Court on Wednesday 17 February."

One rule for Muslims being abused and another rule for captain tom abusers
Where's the freedom of speech

 

[Stewie]

Its a 50c question imo.

Because such hatred incites more hate inc violence, killings, discrimination, bombings, sanctions against Muslims and their nations because of the war of terror, the biggest form of terrorism seen in our lifetime.

This is nothing new, Islam & the Prophet(pbuh) have been attacked since day 1. It wouldnt matter as much if the last 20 years were different.

Such hatred could directly effect you or your family.

really? Really? lol

So they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because they allowed for such hatred to continue? Were the Syrians also guilty of it?

So it seems to me all the Muslims nations in the world then who are silent are actually inviting violence, killings and bombings and dissemination and all those evils you mentioned upon themselves? But why is that I only see violence and loss of life in Pakistan over this while other countries are sitting pretty... apparently oblivious to all that disaster coming that way? lol

 

[Stewie]

You cannot force someone to respect your ideals! Get this through your head!
You also do not invite disaster upon yourself if others disrespect your ideals and you do nothing! what you need to do is get yourself strong enough so you can counter them diplomatically. Beggars cant be choosers. Saudis are rich and powerful but even they are quiet.

 

[Tubs]

France allowed disgusting photos of the Prophet(pbuh) to be projected onto buildings, this is one of many hateful Islamaphobic policies they have.

Again, do you want the Chinese ambassador in Pakistan to be expelled for tweeting that Uighur women should take off the hijab and show their eyes as a caption to an Uighur woman belly-dancing?

 

[mazkhan]

You cannot force someone to respect your ideals! Get this through your head!
You also do not invite disaster upon yourself if others disrespect your ideals and you do nothing! what you need to do is get yourself strong enough so you can counter them diplomatically. Beggars cant be choosers. Saudis are rich and powerful but even they are quiet.

So why was a man In the UK charged for taking the mick out of captain tom on twitter.

Yet the teacher in batley could get away stirring up.hatred by mocking the prophet pbuh and causing racial disharmony and division, and the government came out to support him

 

[KingKhanWC]

really? Really? lol

So they invaded Iraq and Afghanistan because they allowed for such hatred to continue? Were the Syrians also guilty of it?

So it seems to me all the Muslims nations in the world then who are silent are actually inviting violence, killings and bombings and dissemination and all those evils you mentioned upon themselves? But why is that I only see violence and loss of life in Pakistan over this while other countries are sitting pretty... apparently oblivious to all that disaster coming that way? lol

You lack basic undestanding.

When you demonise a people, it's easier to attack them. This is what has taken place since 911 and what continues as the war of terror is still on-going.

This has also led to Muslims being attacked and murdered on the streets of the UK, USA and other places by brainwashed extremists.

I hope nobody harms you or your family members and you have a right to ignore this. There is nothing further to discuss with you due to your poor response.

 

[KingKhanWC]

So why was a man In the UK charged for taking the mick out of captain tom on twitter.

Yet the teacher in batley could get away stirring up.hatred by mocking the prophet pbuh and causing racial disharmony and division, and the government came out to support him

Not talking of Stewart but Muslims who ignore the demonisation and hate will only change when their family members are attacked by brainwashed idiots.

 

[Tubs]

So why was a man In the UK charged for taking the mick out of captain tom on twitter.

Yet the teacher in batley could get away stirring up.hatred by mocking the prophet pbuh and causing racial disharmony and division, and the government came out to support him

While I disagree with the man being charged, it was tangentially related to the Communications Act, and could be interpreted as inciting hatred against soldiers. Again, I don't agree with the ruling, but it's much different from a long-dead historical figure's caricatures getting shown in a classroom where it was relevant to the context. You have all the freedom to practice your religion in the UK, stop playing the victim all the time.