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Should Pakistan play all of its 2023 World Cup matches outside of India?
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the Great Khan
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Why not. Even if Mumbai was done by us which I believe it wasn't, you killed nearly 70k Pakistanis and 140 plus children in APS in revenge. Was that blood nit enough for you?
You mean accept the reality and do what's in best interests of India. Move Asia Cup to neutral venue. Visit India for WC. And hope India visits Pakistan for CT. Big LMAO
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Also the reliance and 96 world cups were joint cups where Pakistan didn't travel to India other than 1 match. So it can easily happen. Ultimately the India vs pak match is too big to ignore. Especially now with both sides being relatively close in talent.
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It is a tricky question.
On one hand, this is a World Cup we are talking about. On the other hand, self-respect is on the line.
I think Pakistan should try to get their matches transferred to a neutral venue since India is not willing to come to Pakistan.
On one hand, this is a World Cup we are talking about. On the other hand, self-respect is on the line.
I think Pakistan should try to get their matches transferred to a neutral venue since India is not willing to come to Pakistan.
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But that is not what PCB is saying. They are saying that Pak cricket team is not safe in India and wont travel. But if India travels to Pak for Asia cup, then there is no security threat and would happily play the world cup in India.
This is where the problem lies. Its all right to take a stance that players wont be safe and we wont travel. But it cant be based on conditions.
No idea what you are talking about. India killed 140 plus school children in Pakistan? News to me.
Anyway, this is not a political thread...so I would stick to cricket. I love India-Pak cricket series but think BCCIs arrangement is hypocritical. You cant say we wont play bilaterals bcoz of jawaans but would happily play ICC events. Not only play in ICC events but hype that game up like no tomorrow. This need to stop. Either you play like you do with all other teams or boycott all together.
You said exactly what I was thinking. India touring Pak somehow makes it safe for Pak to travel to Ind, lol. Either it is safe or it's not safe irrespective of Ind touring Pak.
ICC would 100% care of pak doesn't participate in this WC from a monetary pov. Also, pak not attending will also make the tournament less flavourful. You never know with pak how they perform in an ICC event, hero or zero. I would personally be dissapointed
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In the past
Australia and WI refused to travel to srilanka for the 1996 WC matches. They forfeited points.
England didn't travel to Zimbabwe in 2003. NZ didn't travel to Kenya.
Both forfeited points.
If Pakistan doesn't play in India, they will forfeit.
Australia and WI refused to travel to srilanka for the 1996 WC matches. They forfeited points.
England didn't travel to Zimbabwe in 2003. NZ didn't travel to Kenya.
Both forfeited points.
If Pakistan doesn't play in India, they will forfeit.
What about champions trophy..same rule
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Would be interesting if Pak really refuse to travel to India (we all know India won't travel to Pak for Asia Cup), and India advances to world cup final.
Pak fans can claim that India's world cup win will be a farce since they didn't play against a quality side like Pak. Just like they did when India reached first WTC final.
And as usual India loses in final. Lol
Pak fans can claim that India's world cup win will be a farce since they didn't play against a quality side like Pak. Just like they did when India reached first WTC final.
And as usual India loses in final. Lol
If India doesn’t come to Pak for Asia Cup and we go to India for World Cup, I don’t think there can be a bigger hit to national pride. If India plays its Asia Cup matches outside Pakistan, Pakistan has to do the same in the World Cup or boycott the tournament. Some things are bigger than sport.
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That's right, it already makes me sad that an entire generation has lost out on this great rivalry.
The the multiple series' that happened during the 00s were as memorable and exciting as any. Even in the 90s the teams played a lot of ODI cricket against each other. I can't imagine how I could have become a cricket fan without this IND-Pak rivalry during the 90s.
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Asia cup and world cup are two different tournaments. The PCB decision should be leave the ACC forever if India doesn't come however, travel to India for world cup and wait for india to do the same in 2025 CT.
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India wont play any match in CT2025 in Pakistan. That means non participation of India which would lead to ICC change the host...Or India will play all its matches on a neutral venue.
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Yes why not!
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India SA NZ Eng SL BD were visiting Pakistan between 2000 to 2008, Cricket Australia refused and Pakistan played them elsewhere. Even WI refused and played in UAE. PCB didn't object.
So what different is India doing?
Nothing other than the fact that we are in 2023 now, the world is a bit different. Attacks in the West have taught people that the East, West safety distinction is not so strong.
Pakistan has hosted multiple editions of the PSL. Teams and players have come, enjoyed the hospitality. We have developed some sort of security protocol that people have faith in. Our bargaining position has slightly improved, so we are trying to negotiate for better terms.
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I would like to see if stick to this very statement if this ends up happening
Plenty of teams visited during the 2+ decades that CA did not. How did the PCB communicate their objection?
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Yes. Why not. Let ICC take that decision first.
They didn't because they had less grounds to do so. No league, no continuous flow of foreign players coming in, no fool proof security set-up.
Sethi and co have done a good job in restoring Pakistan's image. Multiple iterations of the PSL and foreign tours have quietened security concerns. It is now a bit harder for teams to not tour. The backlash when NZ and Eng pulled out was quite strong, and they were forced to admit that they were wrong.
All this has given the PCB a different position from 2000-2008 and dark ages of post 2009.
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I dont want to make it political either but your govt insists this is because we support terrorists. My contention is you took your pound of flesh and should get over it. And yes your govt supported the APS murders. Any other self respecting govt would have bombed RAW hq but we had lickspittle noonies in charge.
On the other point we are in agreement.
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Regardless of what the bone-heads in PCB are saying, it is quite clear that our cricketers will not be safe in your country. There is a clear anti-Pakistan rhetoric present in the Indian people, and it will be foolish for the Pakistan government to let a few cricketers travel to India.
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If India doesn't visit Pakistan for Asia Cup... Then Pakistan ideally shouldn't play in India..
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A better approach would be to not play any World Cup matches in a BJP controlled state.
As the tournament comes closer BJP state politicians will issue threats, and that should be a sufficient excuse to ask ICC to relocate the match to somewhere else. I believe last World Cup Pakistan had the match scheduled for Shimla relocated to Kolkata.
As the tournament comes closer BJP state politicians will issue threats, and that should be a sufficient excuse to ask ICC to relocate the match to somewhere else. I believe last World Cup Pakistan had the match scheduled for Shimla relocated to Kolkata.
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Would ur players agree to not play in India just coz its not safe for them if they are selected in IPL ???
Many players would even ditch PCB to play IPL coz they know that they would be safe in India more than Pakistan..
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You can add all the maybes and couldbes but those don't matter much here.
What PCB are saying is crystal clear for everyone to see. The only reason they wouldn't visit India for the world cup is because of the latter's refusal to tour them for Asia Cup.
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Yes yes they're scared of a team that loses 80% of the games against decent sides on home soil and haven't won a single home test in an entire year . Cop that..
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Yes yes they're scared of a team that loses 80% of the games against decent sides on home soil and haven't won a single home test in an entire year . Cop that..
Everyone scared of the mighty Indian team, who cannot seem to take 10 wickets in important matches
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Everyone scared of the mighty Indian team, who cannot seem to take 10 wickets in important matches
Doesn't even make sense. I guess you're referring to India's 10 wicket defeats in the recent past in which case, you should be saying "cannot seem to a take a single wicket". Way too triggered by the mirror perhaps.
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Everyone scared of the mighty Indian team, who cannot seem to take 10 wickets in important matches
Atleast we don't give 500 plus runs in a day.
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Doesn't even make sense. I guess you're referring to India's 10 wicket defeats in the recent past in which case, you should be saying "cannot seem to a take a single wicket". Way too triggered by the mirror perhaps.
You know what I meant ☺☺
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Yes yes they're scared of a team that loses 80% of the games against decent sides on home soil and haven't won a single home test in an entire year . Cop that..
At least you're admitting they're scared and not a decent side.
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Also have not won an ICC trophy since 2013, despite having ICC in your pockets
The world must thank the gods that Pakistan isn't the superpower of cricket else they would take all the trophies.
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Well you claim Pakistan is a poor cricket board and barely generates money but despite that were able to win a champions trophy final vs the so-called mighty team of India, and make semi finals and Finals. Pakistan cricket has come a long way and it will become a super power of cricket
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India has made two consecutive Test championship finals. Have qualified for every knockout except one in last decade. Are ranked in top 3 in all formats.
Far more consistent than Pakistan.
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Idiotic idea.
BCCI started it and now PCB, out of ego, is trying to do the same.
If current scenario plays out it will be a win-win for India. They don't have to come to Pakistan for a largely meaningless tournament that's basically just practice for the World Cup. And they don't have to go through the trouble of providing visas for Pakistani players or providing them with high-level security at the World Cup either.
At the end of the day, the game of cricket will stand more politicized and another ugly precedent will be set.
PCB should have just swallowed their pride and had the Asia Cup in UAE or Sri Lanka. Its not an important tournament in any sense of the word. The idea of Pakistan playing their World Cup games in another country is just ludicrous. What happens if they *somehow* reach the final? Most players will be playing their first match ever in India. And what happens if Pakistan reaches the semi-final? Are they just going to move it from a sold-out Wankede or a sold-out Eden Gardens to Colombo?
The 2025 Champions Trophy would have been the right place for Pakistan to pull this stunt. Because that's all this is. From PCB and BCCI. The problem is that its Pakistan that stands to lose most from this. But the people in-charge are far too driven by ego and politics to think logically.
BCCI started it and now PCB, out of ego, is trying to do the same.
If current scenario plays out it will be a win-win for India. They don't have to come to Pakistan for a largely meaningless tournament that's basically just practice for the World Cup. And they don't have to go through the trouble of providing visas for Pakistani players or providing them with high-level security at the World Cup either.
At the end of the day, the game of cricket will stand more politicized and another ugly precedent will be set.
PCB should have just swallowed their pride and had the Asia Cup in UAE or Sri Lanka. Its not an important tournament in any sense of the word. The idea of Pakistan playing their World Cup games in another country is just ludicrous. What happens if they *somehow* reach the final? Most players will be playing their first match ever in India. And what happens if Pakistan reaches the semi-final? Are they just going to move it from a sold-out Wankede or a sold-out Eden Gardens to Colombo?
The 2025 Champions Trophy would have been the right place for Pakistan to pull this stunt. Because that's all this is. From PCB and BCCI. The problem is that its Pakistan that stands to lose most from this. But the people in-charge are far too driven by ego and politics to think logically.
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Consistent at losing
From 2012 to 2016 pakistan were not a strong team , the rebuild happened around 2017 and onwards.
At the same time India is a billion dollar team who generates the most and reading your post on this forum it seems like money is the most important thing for BCCI and Indian Cricket, despite being the Richest board in ICC, have all that money and ICC in your pockets and India has not won a championship since 2013 despite having all the money and power than that is very shameful that they cant seem to win when it matters.
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So BCCI should use power to win trophies?
So you have won 1 ICC trophy in last 10 years. You haven't qualified in the knockouts of any ICC 50 over World cup. The less said about your test performance the better.
You are making noise without much substance.
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With all the power BCCI and having ICC in their pockets you really would think they should have won on more occasions but it's okay don't be sad
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Power and having ICC in the pocket doesn't mean using it to get trophies. It may be your mentality, not BCCI's.
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The way BCCI, the Indian Media, the Indian fans and Indian team behave you would believe that this is Always gonna win and that they can never lose a game you have yourselfs to blame.
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How many ICC trophies have you won in last 10 years?
Failed to emerge from the group stage in WC 21, got battered by every team you name it in the ICC tourneys.
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How many ICC trophies have you won in last 10 years?
Failed to emerge from the group stage in WC 21, got battered by every team you name it in the ICC tourneys.
So in 10 years we have just once failed to reach the knockouts.
Pakistan got battered at home in last 12 months. And then you point at the Indian team.
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Really? That first test pitch against Australia sure wasn’t very sporting was it Lol?
India has so many resources that showing up to ICC finals should be a given. The difference in resources to other countries is staggering. The fact that a tiny banter cricketing nation like NZ had more recent success than the mighty India should be enough for you lot to reign your arrogance in.
But hey, congrats on your formidable income streams. Sure is a great trophy.
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Moin Khan speaking to reporters:
“If India does not come to Pakistan to play the Asia Cup, then Pakistan should not go either for the World Cup. I think Pakistan Cricket Board should oppose this"
“If India plays the Asia Cup at a neutral venue, Pakistan’s matches should also be held at a neutral venue"
“India cannot impose its will on other cricket boards by extortion of money. Cricket should be played, and for this, there should be a discussion in the boards of India and Pakistan,”
“There should be cricket diplomacy between the two countries,”
“If India does not come to Pakistan to play the Asia Cup, then Pakistan should not go either for the World Cup. I think Pakistan Cricket Board should oppose this"
“If India plays the Asia Cup at a neutral venue, Pakistan’s matches should also be held at a neutral venue"
“India cannot impose its will on other cricket boards by extortion of money. Cricket should be played, and for this, there should be a discussion in the boards of India and Pakistan,”
“There should be cricket diplomacy between the two countries,”
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That's the best solution.
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It isn't. It will mean BCCI will be handing over leverage to PCB, where PCB has none today.
BCCI is to host 3 more ICC events post 2023. Tommorow Pakistan says, unless India tours we will not play the ICC event in India. This will go on and on.
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India is a messed up country
If playing pakistan in pakistan:
" oh the mumbai attack, innocent lives etc..
If playing pakistan anywhere else:
"Eff the Mumbai attack and innocent lives"
Bollywood has taken revenge for the mumbai attacks many times In movies whats the issue now
If playing pakistan in pakistan:
" oh the mumbai attack, innocent lives etc..
If playing pakistan anywhere else:
"Eff the Mumbai attack and innocent lives"
Bollywood has taken revenge for the mumbai attacks many times In movies whats the issue now
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Pretty much what India has been doing the whole time Pakistan, and will be doing whenever Pakistan is host of an event
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That's why you should boycott
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That is why India should boycott Asia Cup if they dont want to come to Pakistan, and should forefit World cup points as well
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Pakistan isn't hosting any WCs.
And please ask ACC to continue the Asia cup without India.
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India forfeiting 1 game points is of no use as entire WC is in India, Pak should not step foot here which would be a slipper shot to hypocrisy of BCCI.
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As per a report:
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has made the decision to restrict the Pakistani team to a maximum of two to three locations in order to avoid frequent travel within the country. According to details, Pakistan is likely to play matches in either North India or Tamil Nadu as both venues are considered safer than the rest of the country.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has made the decision to restrict the Pakistani team to a maximum of two to three locations in order to avoid frequent travel within the country. According to details, Pakistan is likely to play matches in either North India or Tamil Nadu as both venues are considered safer than the rest of the country.
I thought India is a safe country.
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Pakistan should play their matches in Chennai and Mohali. They will get good support there. 
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Pretty funny to see someone who acts as a representative of rich and powerful BCCI here is satisfied with reaching knockouts of ICC tournaments. Not sure what Pakistan's poor performance at home in the last 12 months got to do with India's performance in the ICC tournaments in the last 10 years?
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I am referring to Indias stance of not wanting to play with Pakistan in bilerteral series, they should adopt the same mentality in world cup matches too than
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Pretty funny to see someone who acts as a representative of rich and powerful BCCI here is satisfied with reaching knockouts of ICC tournaments. Not sure what Pakistan's poor performance at home in the last 12 months got to do with India's performance in the ICC tournaments in the last 10 years?
Exactly....thank you
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Radical Hindu extremists can strike at any time. Pakistan needs to be very careful, india isn’t safe for Muslims let alone the Pak cricket team.
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Pretty funny to see someone who acts as a representative of rich and powerful BCCI here is satisfied with reaching knockouts of ICC tournaments. Not sure what Pakistan's poor performance at home in the last 12 months got to do with India's performance in the ICC tournaments in the last 10 years?
Its hilarious when peoples are campare Power to success.
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Why will India want to help Pakistan in the WC?
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Six months out from the likely start of the Cricket World Cup in India, the match schedule for the tournament is still under wraps as geopolitics cloud the buildup to the showpiece event.
The delay is in stark contrast to the 2019 event, when the dates and venues for the tournament in England and Wales were announced more than a year out in keeping with usual practice for major sporting events.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has previously co-hosted three ODI World Cups and organising the 10-team event in October-November should present no major difficulties for the world's richest board.
However, soured political relations between India and Pakistan have complicated matters and cricket finds itself caught in the geopolitical crossfire between the feuding neighbours, who play each other only in multi-team events.
India have ruled out travelling to Pakistan for the Asia Cup in September and are likely to play their matches at a neutral venue after organisers agreed on a 'hybrid' model - a move that looks likely to prompt a ***-for-tat response.
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) denied media reports that it had made a similar demand at the ICC board meetings in Dubai last month but in a statement last week said it may push for the hybrid model "at the proper ICC forum at the right time".
Should Pakistan agree to travel to India, the BCCI would have to secure visa clearance from the Indian government.
A source with direct knowledge of the deliberations told Reuters that moving matches out of India had not even been discussed and the fixtures would be announced in "due course".
Cricket news website cricinfo.com has reported that the BCCI has yet to obtain a tax exemption for the tournament from the Indian government, which is part of the hosting agreement it signed with the ICC.
Should it fail to obtain the exemption the BCCI has said the amount could be deducted from its share of the ICC's central revenue pool.
Reuters
The delay is in stark contrast to the 2019 event, when the dates and venues for the tournament in England and Wales were announced more than a year out in keeping with usual practice for major sporting events.
The Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) has previously co-hosted three ODI World Cups and organising the 10-team event in October-November should present no major difficulties for the world's richest board.
However, soured political relations between India and Pakistan have complicated matters and cricket finds itself caught in the geopolitical crossfire between the feuding neighbours, who play each other only in multi-team events.
India have ruled out travelling to Pakistan for the Asia Cup in September and are likely to play their matches at a neutral venue after organisers agreed on a 'hybrid' model - a move that looks likely to prompt a ***-for-tat response.
The Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) denied media reports that it had made a similar demand at the ICC board meetings in Dubai last month but in a statement last week said it may push for the hybrid model "at the proper ICC forum at the right time".
Should Pakistan agree to travel to India, the BCCI would have to secure visa clearance from the Indian government.
A source with direct knowledge of the deliberations told Reuters that moving matches out of India had not even been discussed and the fixtures would be announced in "due course".
Cricket news website cricinfo.com has reported that the BCCI has yet to obtain a tax exemption for the tournament from the Indian government, which is part of the hosting agreement it signed with the ICC.
Should it fail to obtain the exemption the BCCI has said the amount could be deducted from its share of the ICC's central revenue pool.
Reuters
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Because India not playing Pakistan is political driven, and those same motives should be included in the World Cup as well, at the end of the day its just a game of cricket, so why pick and chose than, you should have your stance be the same in all aspects weather it is world cup or bilateral.
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1000 percent should play in another location or not play at all, its not safe for Pakistan team.
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Well as the external affairs minister put it " We do what is beneficial to us".
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"Should Pakistan agree to travel to India, the BCCI would have to secure visa clearance from the Indian government."
India have been running this excuse for years now and will continue to do so for as long as they can.
Its better to nip this in the bud now and save the drama later.
Pakistan should be strong in their stance, if India wont come to Pakistan, dont go there too.
Cricket and life will continue.
However Pakistan will go play in India regardless imo. Because of this whole saga, there will be protests in India and the team will be worried about its security. Its very risky as any attack on Pakistan or even on India in Pakistan, could trigger a war. Its simply not worth it for a sport.
India have been running this excuse for years now and will continue to do so for as long as they can.
Its better to nip this in the bud now and save the drama later.
Pakistan should be strong in their stance, if India wont come to Pakistan, dont go there too.
Cricket and life will continue.
However Pakistan will go play in India regardless imo. Because of this whole saga, there will be protests in India and the team will be worried about its security. Its very risky as any attack on Pakistan or even on India in Pakistan, could trigger a war. Its simply not worth it for a sport.
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Than how can your political reason for not playing Pakistan make sense, when you have a political stance than you stand by it 100 percent not pick and chose
On the topic of India vs Pakistan during world cup you said India does not need to play Pakistan , since it does not rely on Pakistan and can make money on its own
so your admitting by playing Pakistan it benefits India due to the revenue that match generates
The ICC benefits. Because they are the ones who get the revenue from the match. India and Pakistan are just participants. ICC runs the show.
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What about the broadcasters such as star sports (indian channel) who show that match they do not generate money from that highly anticipated matched and you say ICC runs the show but we all know its BCCI who has ICC in its pocket and runs everything
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Beating Pakistan gives us 2 points and deprives Pakistan of 2 free points.
Revenue
)Yes at nearly 8bn plus in own revenues, India doesn't need Pakistan.
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cricketjoshila
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Star sports is owned by Disney.
ICC gets the revenue.
Btw if Pakistan has so much revenue generation capacity, why the bids for PSL so low?
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PSL is a domestic tournament.
Surely the value of ICC tournaments is higher and therefore gets much more attention from ALL fans, including India (who probably want to see Pakistan lose but still tune in)
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