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Should Shoaib Malik be dropped for the ODI series against Australia?

Should Shoaib Malik be dropped for the ODI series against Australia?


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Malik has been in terrible form in the last 10 ODIs

Averages below 30 and has not scored a single fifty against NZ, SA
If it was any other player he would have been dropped by now.

My suggestion to the CS rope in Saud for Shoaib.

Shoaib was useless in CT 2017 too.
 
I'd rather have one of Hafeez and Malik.

And Hafeez wins that contest by a mile... much superior batsman.
 
I'd rather have one of Hafeez and Malik.

And Hafeez wins that contest by a mile... much superior batsman.

Agreed... never been a supporter of hafeez but last 6-8 months he been playing shots without fear and will take him over Malik anytime..
 
He will play till the end of the World Cup and rightly so. Makes the team on merit.
 
Agreed... never been a supporter of hafeez but last 6-8 months he been playing shots without fear and will take him over Malik anytime..

yup, malik and sarfraz already weaken the batting ... we can carry only one.

1.Babar Azam
2.Imam Ul Haq
3.Shan Masood/Haris Sohail
4.Fakhar Zaman
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim
 
He will play till the end of the World Cup and rightly so. Makes the team on merit.

No, he should retire now and save face. If the World Cup was in Asia then he'd make it on merit.
 
No, he should retire now and save face. If the World Cup was in Asia then he'd make it on merit.

Sure, there are several middle-order batsmen in the country who will score a mountain of runs in England.
 
I'd rather have one of Hafeez and Malik.

And Hafeez wins that contest by a mile... much superior batsman.

They will both play because the alternatives don't look significantly better. Haris Sohail is a possibility but he has not won many games when he has played.

The most scary thing was that when Malik was playing alongside Talat Hussain in the recent T20s, Malik was the one who looked more like a proper batsman.
 
I love the fantasy discussions here. Everyone knows that unless Malik gets injured, he will play the World Cup.

However, that won’t deter people from discussing why and how Malik should be dropped.
 
yup, malik and sarfraz already weaken the batting ... we can carry only one.

1.Babar Azam
2.Imam Ul Haq
3.Shan Masood/Haris Sohail
4.Fakhar Zaman
5.Sarfraz Ahmed
6.Mohammad Hafeez
7.Imad Wasim

Sure, there are several middle-order batsmen in the country who will score a mountain of runs in England.

See above post. Just because we don't have Kohlis or Williamsons doesn't mean we need to carry someone not even as good as Mushfiqur Raheem

They will both play because the alternatives don't look significantly better. Haris Sohail is a possibility but he has not won many games when he has played.

The most scary thing was that when Malik was playing alongside Talat Hussain in the recent T20s, Malik was the one who looked more like a proper batsman.

Babar to open, slot Fakhar in the middle order, number 3 goes to Shan/Haris.

I love the fantasy discussions here. Everyone knows that unless Malik gets injured, he will play the World Cup.

However, that won’t deter people from discussing why and how Malik should be dropped.

His record speaks for itself.
 
No, one of the better players in the side and a TRUE match winner unlike Babar, Imam, etc.
 
Should have this squad after the WC

Fakhar/Sharjeel
Imam/Shan
Babar
harris
saud/ ?
Sarfaraz/ k.akmal/u.akmal
hafeez/imad
Shadab/ irfan khan
hasan/rumman
Shaheen/ another tall pacer
Junaid/aamir
 
Malik being dropped has a very less probability unless any local batsman has a stellar PSL and at the same Haris gets fit then the management will have some decision making to do.
 
See above post. Just because we don't have Kohlis or Williamsons doesn't mean we need to carry someone not even as good as Mushfiqur Raheem



Babar to open, slot Fakhar in the middle order, number 3 goes to Shan/Haris.



His record speaks for itself.

Fakhar will not bat at 4 and Hafeez will not bat at 6. Also, Malik’s record in the last 4 years is more than fine for a team like Pakistan.
 
Sad to see that no pak player has scored more than one hundred against the top 6 ranked sides.
 
Another day, another knee-jerk reaction resulting in a thread. Sometimes I wonder whether posters who make these threads actually even watch cricket. Just because Malik hasn't done well in 10 ODIs doesn't mean neglect everything he has done in the last 4 years. That's not how selection works.
 
Some posters also need to stop kidding themselves by thinking that some talented young batsman is waiting in the wings, just waiting to knock the door down. You guys need to return to reality because there is no one. We should be lucky to even have a batsman like Malik. But I'm sure Malik's true value will be realized by posters once he retires and they get a first-hand look at the ''talented batsmen'' who will look to fill his place.
 
Some posters also need to stop kidding themselves by thinking that some talented young batsman is waiting in the wings, just waiting to knock the door down. You guys need to return to reality because there is no one. We should be lucky to even have a batsman like Malik. But I'm sure Malik's true value will be realized by posters once he retires and they get a first-hand look at the ''talented batsmen'' who will look to fill his place.

if you give me a youngster who will score zero in ever game over the next 15 odi's, I will take that player over malik in current form.
 
Sure, there are several middle-order batsmen in the country who will score a mountain of runs in England.

Fakhar will not bat at 4 and Hafeez will not bat at 6. Also, Malik’s record in the last 4 years is more than fine for a team like Pakistan.

A few adjustments needed and Pakistan can have middle order batsmen who could score a mountain of runs in England.

No point sticking with someone who has a poor record in England. The only notable innings he has played was chasing 300 odd along with Sarfraz.
 
He should be. But he won't..I mean they kept selecting him when he was rubbish for five years. One of the most undeserving players ever to wear that shirt. It'll be great day for Pakistan when he is put to pasture.
 
Yes and Yes and Yes. One more time yes.

We must try new players as both Hafeez and Shoaib should not be in the team.

Seeing them in the middle order makes me wanna vomit at TV
 
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Last 2 years record. SHip has sailed for Pakistan just like it is for India. They have to bite the bullet and play him.
 
Malik will be at the WC for sure , he can be dropped on threads like this though lol Hafeez too will go
 
if you give me a youngster who will score zero in ever game over the next 15 odi's, I will take that player over malik in current form.

What does that even mean? You would take a player scoring a duck in 15 innings over a player who actually scores runs? Did you even read your comment before posting it or did you post it because it sounded good in your head?
 
Wahab riaz is consistently bowling 140+ in the bpl.
If he could control his bowling, what a bowler he could be.
 
Sure, there are several middle-order batsmen in the country who will score a mountain of runs in England.

If fit, Haris is a quality batsman who could replace Malik. Haris has a great average and strike rate.
 
What does that even mean? You would take a player scoring a duck in 15 innings over a player who actually scores runs? Did you even read your comment before posting it or did you post it because it sounded good in your head?

IT sounds pretty good to me.
 
He is the spiritual leader of the team, when will you people ever learn.
 
Just like India has to play Rayudu

yes. Not many like it. But at this point they won't risk it. Initially we thought BCCI selection committee was trolling us. Because Rayud absolutely did nothing in any list A tournaments. There were guys like Agarwal setting the domestic circuit ablaze in List A. Only thing that this guy could show for was a good IPL with CSK.
 
Should be replaced by Rizwan who’s been in terrific form in A games. Deserves his chance.
 
People's fantasy with Rizwan was same as to their fantasy with Malik...It's hard to accept but Malik trolled the team solely on his connections he is a snake and will play until he wants.. sad reality of the country.
PP has collectively discarded Rizwan after a couple of failures. He was a must till a few days back.
 
Only 1 of Malik or Hafeez should go to the World Cup. We cannot carry both.
 
Malik's utility in the team is similar to Dhoni's in the Indian team. Use experience to chase down or score minimum guarantee scores. Currently he's a poor man's Dhoni. He averages 26 with an SR of 70 in the last 2 years and doesn't finish games unlike Dhoni. If Haris is fit, Malik is not needed in the team. The team has enough experience with Hafeez and Sarf. Let Malik's sole criteria "experience" bask in the glory from the bench against good teams. He can play against BD, Afg, SL and of course India.
 
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Oh come on guys...this is Pakistan Cricket!

A player worth his salt and with even an ounce of "sharm' would have retired after World Cup '15...

.....these two just like the stalwarts before them will grind Pak cricket, the Pak public into dust before retiring.

Because thats just the way it is..with zero accountability.

Of course we dont have anyone at this late stage cos these two 'loolays' have been warming the seats for so long....the seats will have to be imparted from their behinds with grenades stuck to their safe guards.

Pakistan players traditionally, not very self aware or bright just keep going cos they're clueless about life after cricket.

And, our culture of perceived seniority, unearned respect, mulak ke liye qurbani, blah blah blah keeps giving them the rope whilst strangling the public at the same time.
 
Imo he will not be dropped no matter if he fails against Australia and England.

So just forget about it.
 
No both Hafeez & Malik are vital for the world cup, their experience will play a crucial rule in the middle order.
 
Imo he will not be dropped no matter if he fails against Australia and England.

So just forget about it.
Depends on when Pakistan have to announce squad: decent chance of being dropped if three games have been played by then
 
Malik has no place in the team and I am hoping against hope that the selectors see it that way. As Pete Rose said in an earlier post I would take a youngster with good technique and give him 15 chances and would still keep him over Malik if he scored zero in every game (that's how much I value Malik's batting).
 
Malik's making the WC, don't know if it's even worth debating anymore. He didn't even have a bad asia cup compared to the rest, so he hasn't even feared the chop of the hammer until SA tour. He's pretty much kept his place all these 4 or so years without really impressing but never really doing bad enough to lose his place.

Shan wasn't picked in the SA tour as he's considered a top order batsman and they don't want to risk moving the top 3. Haris was injured. Those factors also helped saved Malik as none of those batsman got a chance to play alongside Malik to compare. And the fact that Haris has played just 4 ODIs since 2015 with worries he's too slow, and Shan obviously none. And Rizwan, Talat, Asif all looked like flops who have done little in ODIS, and whom Malik has regularly outperformed in T20s where you can see them all play side by side.

The team is already picked really, too late to change anything now bar injury. Imad's just taken the final remaining batting slot at 7. I don't see any changes in the final team except for the pacers where Shaheen has already booked his place, but the other two are a bit more debatable even though I'm 90% sure will be Hasan and Amir. Only thing I'm kind hopeful for is maybe a bit of change in the order, I'd prefer Hafeez down at 6, and Sarfraz up the order. You'd probably get more worth out of Sarfraz who is awful at 6, and at the same time Hafeez would probably suit 6 more the way he's playing right now.
 
Malik’s in the team as a senior player but sadly he has been short on fulfilling that role. It is disappointing. Hope Fakhar-like player emerges from this PSL for the world cup. Hoping UA somehow hits the purple patch.
 
A no brainer.

Insanity is doing the same failure again n again. Now for TWENTY freakin years.

1999 to 2019.

That's enough of a sample size of complete failures.
 
He should be dropped but everyone knows he won't be dropped until the world cup is done so just let him play World Cup and after that get rid of him
 
Saying this for ages only one of malik or hafeez should play and its look like hafeez has the upper edge over malik.

But we should also understand that its difficult now to slot in young player in place of malik in middle order. Unless fully fit harris available for Australia series
 
Sure, there are several middle-order batsmen in the country who will score a mountain of runs in England.

Have you bothered checking Malik's record in England before making this sarcastic comment? You dont need to make a mountain of runs to better than Malik. In 24 matches he averages 13.67 in England with 1 50 in 23 innings. So there you go, you just need to make 15 runs to better than Malik. I can bet on few domestic players to do so.
 
Lol @ average of Babar Azam. Almost half the runs, and 38 average. Very mediocre compared to the likes of Root, Williamson & kohli
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Why are you comparing a star under development to established champions who have played a lot more cricket.
As for Malik he will go to world cup so no point debating.
 
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Hell yes.

And i cant believe people are talking that replacements are worse.

Can you tell me with a straight face how many others we have tried in that time and what are their stats?

Only one i can think of is Haris whohas far better stats than both Malik and Hafeez after CT 2017. There isnt any other who we tried in the middle order except Asif (who i dont rate anyways) which is a shame.
 
Have you bothered checking Malik's record in England before making this sarcastic comment? You dont need to make a mountain of runs to better than Malik. In 24 matches he averages 13.67 in England with 1 50 in 23 innings. So there you go, you just need to make 15 runs to better than Malik. I can bet on few domestic players to do so.

I am pretty certain Malik will do better than an average of 13 in the World Cup. In fact, he averaged around 30 in the 2016 series in England, and although his returns in the Champions Trophy were poor, it was a bizarre tournament for him.

He looked good in the opening game against India before he was run out by Jadeja. Against South Africa, he looked good again before the match was cut short because of the rain.

He did not bat in the SF and in the final, he was trying to go for big shots early in his innings which cost him his wicket. On another day, he might have clicked like Hafeez (another poor performer in England) and scored a few runs.

His only genuine failure was against Sri Lanka.

I don't see any purpose in using his years old record in England as a stick to beat him with. On the other end of the spectrum, his record in South Africa is very good. Does that mean that if there is a World Cup in South Africa today, he would be among the best players in the tournament? Obviously not, because he is not a world beater. Similarly, Sarfraz averaged 60 in 2016, but he is unlikely to match that record even if he gets two lives in every innings this time around.

Past records are only an indicator and they are not something that you can go with while ignoring everything else. Besides, years old record hardly have any relevance. There was a time when he couldn't even buy a run in Asia, i.e. from 2010 to 2014, he was a walking wicket. However, since coming back to the team in 2015, he has been prolific in Asia.

The English pitches today are not the wickets that Malik failed on in the 2000s. Pakistan will need his experience and cool head in the middle-overs against the opposition spinners. He is still rapid between the wickets and can take on the spinners.

Against spinners like Kuldeep, Chahal and Rashid etc., he is still more capable of holding his own compared to some inexperienced, undercooked domestic player. There is a reason why he was our best batsman in the Asia Cup against some pretty high quality spin bowling that will play a big role in the middle-overs in the World Cup.

Malik is not a world beater and he probably won't make it into any lineup that is ranked above Pakistan. However, we must remember that there is a reason why we are ranked 5th. We are an average team with average players.

Since the Champions Trophy, we have played 15 ODIs against New Zealand, India and South Africa, and we have lost 11. Surely, Malik cannot be responsible for all of those 11 victories. Perhaps not even half of them, so if decide to pick players based on how they are going to fare against the top teams and in certain conditions, we will struggle to pick a squad of 11 players.
 
I am pretty certain Malik will do better than an average of 13 in the World Cup. In fact, he averaged around 30 in the 2016 series in England, and although his returns in the Champions Trophy were poor, it was a bizarre tournament for him.

He looked good in the opening game against India before he was run out by Jadeja. Against South Africa, he looked good again before the match was cut short because of the rain.

He did not bat in the SF and in the final, he was trying to go for big shots early in his innings which cost him his wicket. On another day, he might have clicked like Hafeez (another poor performer in England) and scored a few runs.

His only genuine failure was against Sri Lanka.

I don't see any purpose in using his years old record in England as a stick to beat him with. On the other end of the spectrum, his record in South Africa is very good. Does that mean that if there is a World Cup in South Africa today, he would be among the best players in the tournament? Obviously not, because he is not a world beater. Similarly, Sarfraz averaged 60 in 2016, but he is unlikely to match that record even if he gets two lives in every innings this time around.

Past records are only an indicator and they are not something that you can go with while ignoring everything else. Besides, years old record hardly have any relevance. There was a time when he couldn't even buy a run in Asia, i.e. from 2010 to 2014, he was a walking wicket. However, since coming back to the team in 2015, he has been prolific in Asia.

The English pitches today are not the wickets that Malik failed on in the 2000s. Pakistan will need his experience and cool head in the middle-overs against the opposition spinners. He is still rapid between the wickets and can take on the spinners.

Against spinners like Kuldeep, Chahal and Rashid etc., he is still more capable of holding his own compared to some inexperienced, undercooked domestic player. There is a reason why he was our best batsman in the Asia Cup against some pretty high quality spin bowling that will play a big role in the middle-overs in the World Cup.

Malik is not a world beater and he probably won't make it into any lineup that is ranked above Pakistan. However, we must remember that there is a reason why we are ranked 5th. We are an average team with average players.

Since the Champions Trophy, we have played 15 ODIs against New Zealand, India and South Africa, and we have lost 11. Surely, Malik cannot be responsible for all of those 11 victories. Perhaps not even half of them, so if decide to pick players based on how they are going to fare against the top teams and in certain conditions, we will struggle to pick a squad of 11 players.

For once agree with entire post by Mamoon. I must be going insane.
 
Shoaib Malik averaged 29.83 in 2018 and averages 23.75 so far in 2019. He hasn't been doing too good. If he has a bad PSL then maybe drop him, but we all know the chances of him being dropped for real are very slim.
 
Would have to drop the chief selector Inzamam for this to happen. Inzamam will find ways to keep Malik in the squad when Malik falls out of favor with the captain and coach, which is also difficult.

Malik is the most politically backed player.

PCB threw out Fawad Alam in 2014 with a 42 average to accomodate Malik who was banned for a year back in 2012 for conspiring against Younis Khan.

Who would've never played cricket again in any other country.
Malik career will be a blot and ground reality of corruption in the Pakistan cricket system in future times.
 
No, he deseves another series, especially when his ideal replacement is still injured.
 
I am pretty certain Malik will do better than an average of 13 in the World Cup. In fact, he averaged around 30 in the 2016 series in England, and although his returns in the Champions Trophy were poor, it was a bizarre tournament for him.

He looked good in the opening game against India before he was run out by Jadeja. Against South Africa, he looked good again before the match was cut short because of the rain.

He did not bat in the SF and in the final, he was trying to go for big shots early in his innings which cost him his wicket. On another day, he might have clicked like Hafeez (another poor performer in England) and scored a few runs.

His only genuine failure was against Sri Lanka.

I don't see any purpose in using his years old record in England as a stick to beat him with. On the other end of the spectrum, his record in South Africa is very good. Does that mean that if there is a World Cup in South Africa today, he would be among the best players in the tournament? Obviously not, because he is not a world beater. Similarly, Sarfraz averaged 60 in 2016, but he is unlikely to match that record even if he gets two lives in every innings this time around.

Past records are only an indicator and they are not something that you can go with while ignoring everything else. Besides, years old record hardly have any relevance. There was a time when he couldn't even buy a run in Asia, i.e. from 2010 to 2014, he was a walking wicket. However, since coming back to the team in 2015, he has been prolific in Asia.

The English pitches today are not the wickets that Malik failed on in the 2000s. Pakistan will need his experience and cool head in the middle-overs against the opposition spinners. He is still rapid between the wickets and can take on the spinners.

Against spinners like Kuldeep, Chahal and Rashid etc., he is still more capable of holding his own compared to some inexperienced, undercooked domestic player. There is a reason why he was our best batsman in the Asia Cup against some pretty high quality spin bowling that will play a big role in the middle-overs in the World Cup.

Malik is not a world beater and he probably won't make it into any lineup that is ranked above Pakistan. However, we must remember that there is a reason why we are ranked 5th. We are an average team with average players.

Since the Champions Trophy, we have played 15 ODIs against New Zealand, India and South Africa, and we have lost 11. Surely, Malik cannot be responsible for all of those 11 victories. Perhaps not even half of them, so if decide to pick players based on how they are going to fare against the top teams and in certain conditions, we will struggle to pick a squad of 11 players.

Surprisingly agree.
 
We all know 90% of our team for WC. Discussion will just be on 2-3 players

Sarfraz, Hafeez, Malik, Babar, Imam, Shaheen Shah, Amir, Hasan Ali, Shadab, Imad Wasim, Faheem Ashraf are almost 100%

Fakhar, Shinwari and Junaid Khan (Dependent on PSL and Aus Series) and some of the names may come back depending upon their performances in PSL. I dont expect any new comer to enter in WC squad
 
I agree Malik has been average in the recent past, but their are even worse players in your squad.

Bringing up Malik's stats is kind of funny because if you play him at 6, he'd most probably try to go for the biggies instead of anchoring the innings. The only opportunity he really got to anchor was in the Asia Cup at no.5 when your top order was batting like clowns.

And special thanks to all the fit youngsters we have in the side, sending Malik back after he makes half of the crease has been a norm. Babar/Imam are the only one who really standout in this aspect of the game.

Pretty sure he did better than most of the lot, the last time we toured England.

We don't have Kohli and Tendulkar on the bench and so, Malik and hafeez are easily going to make it to the XI.

It's his last World Cup, accept him, and move on! Think positively, hope for the best.
 
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