Should the 2019 World Cup have been shared between England and New Zealand?

[Aman]

Very sore, bad loser [MENTION=132954]Aman[/MENTION]. Some sad comments to read.

Learn some lessons from your team and your captain. They ooze decency and class.

You try to be gracious after losing a WC on two bogus calls the governing body didn't think through.

I would have preferred to get smashed than to lose like this.

 

[Aman]

FYI [MENTION=1842]James[/MENTION] you didn't win the match, you won the WC on boundaries.

The match goes down as a draw and the tie breaker was idiotically boundaries.

 

[James]

Kane and the team were out there on the field. They experienced it. And they were all incredibly gracious. You just watched it.

You are a bad loser.

 

[Aman]

Kane and the team were out there on the field. They experienced it. And they were all incredibly gracious. You just watched it.

You are a bad loser.

They're professional, deep down they know it was bogus like everyone else.

The talk would be of England, and not NZ or the rules if it wasn't.

 

[Madplayer]

The contrary I think.

The most lion-hearted World Cup win. They were in the dumps four years ago, they revamped their squad and played smashing cricket for 3 years. In the World Cup they had a stutter, but they recovered and produced incredible performances under pressure.

You can call it tainted if you wish, but you cannot deny the fact that England have completely obliterated the notion that they are chokers and bottlers. This is one of the must clutch teams in ODI history. What they have done in this World Cup under pressure is the stuff of gods.

They bottled an easy 240 run chase. They bat till 10 lol and even then they couldnt beat NZ. If it wasnt for :

1) wrong umpiring decisions (lbw against Taylor, giving 6 runs overthrow when law says only 5 could be given),

2) luck (ball hitting stokes and going for 6)

3) Stupid law which takes boundaries into consideration which makes absolutely no sense.

England would have been crying today. Not England's fault any of it. But the most tainted, pathetic and humiliating world cup final win in the history of the game.

 

[Captain caveman]

Its the world cup sharing it would make the whole tournament pointless

Officially, if the final and the reserve day were both a washout, the world cup.would have been shared!!!

 

[andy0204]

if england won by one sided i would have accepted,it will be written down in history books but not in my book .

 

[AAli98]

If you want to share it share the cup between aus/Ind the overall best all round teams of the tournament.. dont know how eng/nz both chokers got into final.

In the end both teams were choking was embarrassing. Boult stepping on the rope stokes couldn’t get bat on ball in the end, guptill less said about him the better.

 

[Mamoon]

They bottled an easy 240 run chase. They bat till 10 lol and even then they couldnt beat NZ. If it wasnt for :

1) wrong umpiring decisions (lbw against Taylor, giving 6 runs overthrow when law says only 5 could be given),

2) luck (ball hitting stokes and going for 6)

3) Stupid law which takes boundaries into consideration which makes absolutely no sense.

England would have been crying today. Not England's fault any of it. But the most tainted, pathetic and humiliating world cup final win in the history of the game.

I disagree. In conditions/pitches suited to swing and seam, New Zealand have the most potent bowling attack. They get more lateral movement than any team and they are relentless in terms of exerting pressure. Not a single team in this World Cup would have walked over New Zealand's total let alone in a World Cup. The way England came back after being reduced to 80/4 proved the mettle of this side and how they don't give up. England have showed tremendous resilience and hunger in this World Cup.

 

[Kianig89]

Bowl outs would have been a better conclusion than the farce of Superover

 

[Madplayer]

I disagree. In conditions/pitches suited to swing and seam, New Zealand have the most potent bowling attack. They get more lateral movement than any team and they are relentless in terms of exerting pressure. Not a single team in this World Cup would have walked over New Zealand's total let alone in a World Cup. The way England came back after being reduced to 80/4 proved the mettle of this side and how they don't give up. England have showed tremendous resilience and hunger in this World Cup.

Just like Pakistan's win against Afghanistan was humiliating as per you, this is also the same kind of humiliating win for England. Infact not just humiliating, it is also tainted now that we are hearing about more and more umpiring blunders. Surely the most unworthy world cup final winners. Never has a team been more undeserving to win the final on the day. Not England's fault though, they didnt do anything deliberately.

 

[Mamoon]

Just like Pakistan's win against Afghanistan was humiliating as per you, this is also the same kind of humiliating win for England. Infact not just humiliating, it is also tainted now that we are hearing about more and more umpiring blunders. Surely the most unworthy world cup final winners. Never has a team been more undeserving to win the final on the day. Not England's fault though, they didnt do anything deliberately.

Pakistan were sweating bullets against Afghanistan. New Zealand are a top team. The two situations are incomparable.

Pakistan is a circus team but they should still be dominating a team like Afghanistan.

 

[Madplayer]

Pakistan were sweating bullets against Afghanistan. New Zealand are a top team. The two situations are incomparable.

Pakistan is a circus team but they should still be dominating a team like Afghanistan.

Pakistan came back from a near impossible situation to win that match. Similar to what England did yesterday. Afghanistan made India sweat bullets too. The situations are absolutely comparable.

No mattee what you say, never has in the history of cricket a team won a world cup final like this. Which makes it the most tainted and humiliating world cup win in the history of the game. If you have another example then kindly mention it.

 

[Mamoon]

Pakistan came back from a near impossible situation to win that match. Similar to what England did yesterday. Afghanistan made India sweat bullets too. The situations are absolutely comparable.

No mattee what you say, never has in the history of cricket a team won a world cup final like this. Which makes it the most tainted and humiliating world cup win in the history of the game. If you have another example then kindly mention it.

This is the most inspirational and clutch World Cup win of all time. Every England player has probably aged by 10 years. I hope they can recover in time for the Ashes.

 

[andy0204]

This is the most inspirational and clutch World Cup win of all time. Every England player has probably aged by 10 years. I hope they can recover in time for the Ashes.

england arent that good in test cricket and australia has been practising with dukes since last 6 months but home country will always have an advantage.

 

[faizanj]

Pakistan were sweating bullets against Afghanistan. New Zealand are a top team. The two situations are incomparable.

Pakistan is a circus team but they should still be dominating a team like Afghanistan.

The best ODI team India struggled against Afghanistan and you expect Pakistan to dominate against them?

 

[Boi]

The trophy would’ve been shared if the game was rained off but in the case of a tie it went to boundaries count. Cricket really does shoot itself in the foot with its rules sometimes.

 

[javid]

Yes indeed...if a final ends in a tie...it should be shared...this super over should only for games other than a final

 

[The_Odd_One]

The contrary I think.

The most lion-hearted World Cup win. They were in the dumps four years ago, they revamped their squad and played smashing cricket for 3 years. In the World Cup they had a stutter, but they recovered and produced incredible performances under pressure.

You can call it tainted if you wish, but you cannot deny the fact that England have completely obliterated the notion that they are chokers and bottlers. This is one of the must clutch teams in ODI history. What they have done in this World Cup under pressure is the stuff of gods.

Let's not forget that England bottled an ordinary chase. They failed to win the super-over tie-breaker as well. Had rules not worked in their favor, the same England team would have retained the choker tag.

 

[The_Odd_One]

No, the super-over tie breaker should have continued until a winner was decided.

 

[AAli98]

Both teams were choking neither knew how to win so ICC decided to give 1 of the chokers the cup on technicality basis.

 

[Abdullah719]

World Cup trophy should have been ‘shared’: Sir Gary Sobers

Mumbai: According to few former cricketers, the ICC World Cup trophy should have been "shared" and the England team shouldn’t have been declared as the winners. "Is it only the boundaries that are counted?", Sir Gary Sobers, the former West Indies all-rounder, reacted exclusively over telephone from Barbados.

"If the score was level at the end of the match and also in Super Over, how is it fair to declare England the winner?. "Why New Zealand could not be declared the (joint) winner", Sir Sobers, who did watch the match on TV, said when his comments were sought.

Sobers further added, "It is OK if the rules are made before the game and the trophy stays in England, but sportingly, New Zealand captain too should have been at the dais to lift the World Cup."

Interestingly, Sobers on whose name the Sir Garfield Sobers trophy is warded every year to the best player of the year was a member of the team that had witnessed the first historic tied Test (against Australia at Brisbane in 1960).

Former Pakistan captain, Asif Iqbal, who watched the final on TV, has stated, "In my opinion the trophy should have been shared. It was an amazing World Cup final. Best-ever. Best teams do not deserve to lose...In fact, on that day neither of the teams lost the match."

https://www.asianage.com/sports/cri...-should-have-been-shared-sir-gary-sobers.html

 

[shaaik]

England win World Cup: Sharing trophy should be considered - New Zealand coach Gary Stead

Cricket chiefs should consider allowing teams to share the World Cup if a final is tied again, says New Zealand coach Gary Stead.

England beat the Black Caps in a dramatic final at Lord's by virtue of scoring more boundaries - after the teams' 50-over scores were tied and also level after a super over.

"I'm sure when they were writing the rules they never expected a World Cup final like that," Stead said.

"I'm sure it'll be reviewed."

On sharing the trophy, he added: "Perhaps when you play over a seven-week period and you can't be separated on the final day then that is something that should be considered."

Cricket chiefs should consider allowing teams to share the World Cup if a final is tied again, says New Zealand coach Gary Stead.

England beat the Black Caps in a dramatic final at Lord's by virtue of scoring more boundaries - after the teams' 50-over scores were tied and also level after a super over.

"I'm sure when they were writing the rules they never expected a World Cup final like that," Stead said.

"I'm sure it'll be reviewed."

On sharing the trophy, he added: "Perhaps when you play over a seven-week period and you can't be separated on the final day then that is something that should be considered."

"I didn't actually know that," said Stead when asked about the law.

"The umpires are there to rule and they're human as well - and, like players, sometimes errors are made.

"It's just the human aspect of sport and probably why we all care about it so much as well. We can't change that now. It will go down in history as one that got away from us."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/49000896

 

[ssuhaide]

Don't agree with sharing. There should be a winner and a loser. Even if it takes 10 super overs. The ICC only needs to tweak the rule with regards to continuing to do the super overs and making a different three bat and a different bowler bowl. Eventually you will get a result. The only time sharing should be an option if there is monsoon which rains out the Final and Reserve day.

 

[Majestic_Inzi]

still waiting for Botham to respond,

 

[MenInG]

New Zealand quick Trent Boult revealed that his team's inability to cross the line in the nail-biting ICC Men's Cricket World Cup 2019 final against England at Lord's still hadn't sunk in.

Boult, who bowled both the final over and the Super Over of the tense World Cup final against England, admitted that the Blackcaps would take a long time to get over the defeat.

"It's been a long flight home but it [the defeat] probably hasn't sunk in yet. I wish it would, so we can all get over it but it's one of those things that we probably won't get over for a long time."

The New Zealand pace attack leader relived the final moments of the game and said he couldn't help but 'nitpick' on things that the side could've done differently to alter the outcome of the game, which the side eventually lost on boundary count after scores were levelled in the match as well as the super over.

He thought back to the four overthrows, deflected off a diving Ben Stokes' bat in the final over as well as the moment he realised he'd stepped on the boundary cushion in attempt to catch Stokes out a little earlier.

"It's natural to nitpick, to wonder about all those little things and how it could have been a totally different game. I've been living that last over in my mind a lot - somehow I got hit for six along the ground which has never happened before. To see the scores level [after the Super Over] and still lose, yeah, that was a pretty unique situation."

Speaking about the missed catch attempt, he said, "You can imagine the feeling when my left shoe hit the cushion and it was too late to throw the ball to Marty [Guptill]. There were probably 27,000 intoxicated Poms in there screaming as the ball went up, so I couldn't hear anything Marty was saying."

New Zealand will look to forget about the loss as soon an possible, and Boult feels the upcoming tour of Sri Lanka will help the team get on with things, but acknowledged that the shock of the loss wouldn't completely fade away even over the next couple of years.

"We've got a quick turnaround before we go to Sri Lanka in a couple of days' time, and we'll be back in the saddle. As I said, it's not something that's going to disappear over the next couple of days. It's still going to be hard to swallow over the next couple of years."

https://www.cricketworldcup.com/news/en/1281563

 

[MenInG]

New Zealand coach Gary Stead on Monday dismissed speculations that he had tried to remove Kane Williamson from Test captaincy, saying “there is no truth” in them and his relation with the skipper remains “strong”.

Following New Zealand’s 0-3 defeat at the hands of Australia earlier this year, rumours surfaced that Stead preferred left-handed batsman Tom Latham for Test captaincy over incumbent Williamson.

“There’s no truth to it ... that was certainly news to me… certainly had no conversations around that sort of thing,” Stead was quoted as saying by ‘Newshub’ as he opened up on the issue for the first time.

“At this stage, Kane’s our man. He’s the guy we’ve backed, he’s been a great leader for this team and I’m sure he will be in the future as well.” Asked about his relationship with Williamson, Stead said: “I think it’s very good. I think it’s strong.

“I like him as a bloke, like what he stands for. He’s a very values-based person and he adds a hell of a lot to the team.” Stead, however, conceded that he and Williamson are “philosophically different”.

“I think I probably have philosophical differences with every single person in the team at different times, and that’s just about me being a human being and him being a human being,” he said.

In May, the country’s Cricket Board too had rubbished the claims that Williamson’s Test captaincy was under threat.

Tuesday will mark one year of the epic World Cup final at the Lord’s where New Zealand had lost to hosts England on boundary count-back rule after scores were tied even after the super over.

Stead said there is no “bitterness” but he still feels a “wee bit of hurt” about the loss.

“I think there’s a wee bit of hurt from time to time and I guess any Kiwi fan is probably very much in that same boat. There’s no bitterness at all, we understood the rules going into the match,” Stead said as New Zealand’s top cricketers resumed their training after the coronavirus-forced break.

“It’s a hard one because there’s some great emotions that came from that tournament as well, but unfortunately it was just that final hurdle we didn’t cross. It’s something I’m sure will drive the players to keep wanting to get better every day.” The 48-year-old said he still feels a “bit numb” but remains extremely proud of the way his boys played the entire tournament.

“I do think about it a bit, I think everyone has really different emotions around it. The thing that stands out for me is that it’s all a bit numb, really, in some ways but enormously proud of the way we played the whole tournament. “As a Kiwi and as a supporter of the Blackcaps it was hard to be any more proud of the way they played and fought in that match,” he added.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...ndary-count/story-XAcB9mzwReib4Y1tusxDPM.html

 

[MenInG]

Regardless of how we feel about the outcome - this was an amazing game! Some great memories.

 

[Robert]

What I remember is that England had got themselves into a mess and had to win the last four games they played. So they did. They had a wobble but started to win again when it counted most.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

It's a terrible way to decide a World Cup but it is what it is. ICC should change the rules. England certainly deserved to win the World Cup but it was the least impressive world cup campaign I've seen in my lifetime for a team considered outright favourites and playing in home conditions. They had plenty of luck and credit to them for making most of it but the gap between them and other teams was nowhere near as big as I thought it would be. Q

 

[Robert]

England certainly deserved to win the World Cup but it was the least impressive world cup campaign I've seen in my lifetime for a team considered outright favourites and playing in home conditions. They had plenty of luck

They lost the toss. How many teams batting second have won the Final? I can only think of SL in 1996.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

They lost the toss. How many teams batting second have won the Final? I can only think of SL in 1996.

India in 2011, Australia in 2015, australia in 1999 all won by batting second.