Should the Niqab be banned in public?

[Abdullah719]

Let me put it this way

Taking a prescribed pain killer under unavoidable circumstances is not the same as taking these narcotics as recreation.

Similarly wearing a veil is a symbol of a medieval and outdated custom and is seen some what as an oppressive symbol, wearing a mask is something you are doing out of necessity. How you don’t see the difference is beyond me.

Now if you are implying that an old veil/ niqab lying around the house are being used as a masks I see that as being resourceful and creative as long as they are being worn for hygienic purposes.

Read it a couple of times before you reply

What if (hypothetically) someone is wearing it, thinking that it's an obligation? Or wearing it as a choice?

 

[sweep_shot]

Are you serious? Not the just the crime aspect but you realize that women roaming around looking like a tent in the 21st century is neither a fashion statement or a symbol of liberation right?

Yes. I am serious. If niqab is banned, hoodie needs to be banned also.

You do not get to define what is a fashion statement and what is not. You also do not get to define what is symbol of liberation and what is not.

You find niqab ridiculous just like I find sari ridiculous. All these things are really subjective.

 

[Local.Dada]

What if (hypothetically) someone is wearing it, thinking that it's an obligation? Or wearing it as a choice?

If you are telling me that most women who wear a niqab are doing that out of choice and because they love it I have nothing more to say.

I don’t see Muslim anchors, actresses, athletes or basically urban types wear niqab in public, it is usually the poor section or the rural women both in India and the subcontinent (Pak,Bangla,Afghan). I am not sure if they get too many options to chose their dress code. Do you think they do?

 

[sweep_shot]

At the end of the day, it is about security risk. If niqab is a security threat, hoodie is a bigger threat.

Many criminals wear hoodies and commit all sorts of crimes. I don't see anyone wanting to ban hoodies or balaclavas.

 

[Abdullah719]

If you are telling me that most women who wear a niqab are doing that out of choice and because they love it I have nothing more to say.

That isn't what I said, though. My question was quite specific.

 

[Local.Dada]

That isn't what I said, though. My question was quite specific.

Look simple, I don’t want to convince anyone what I think about the niqab, I find wearing a Burkha oppressive and I feel sorry for the women who do because most of them who wear it from what I have seen are from the lower class and illiterate sections of the society and I feel sorry for them. I am never going to be sold on the fact that women actually enjoy wearing it.

If you want a specific answer, sure I am ok if they wear it as a fashion statement as long as they make that clear and they aren’t wearing it due to any pressure. However there might be a handful of voices who may feel that way and that would not be right to the rest who have no choice. So I change my mind NO!

 

[Bigboii]

If you are telling me that most women who wear a niqab are doing that out of choice and because they love it I have nothing more to say.

I don’t see Muslim anchors, actresses, athletes or basically urban types wear niqab in public, it is usually the poor section or the rural women both in India and the subcontinent (Pak,Bangla,Afghan). I am not sure if they get too many options to chose their dress code. Do you think they do?

It's their personal freedom if they wanna walk naked or wanna wear a burqa who are we to say it's "outdated" man that's basically camunism where people are dictated to do what they can or can't do and I ferociously oppose banning things

It's not governments job to be like oh it's "outdated" so we should ban it I hate this idea on so many levels

it's totally 100% ignorant for you to say that oh they are forced to wear a niqab

Well smarty pants here in NY in University's campus girls walk around in niqab's and even in burqas and guess what their families are 1000s of miles away from their dorms and some Muslim girls walk around like everyday girls you see on the block so saying that millions of muslim girls are "forced" to wear niqab or burqa is 1000% wrong

And the girls I am talking about are not from rural areas they genuinely talk like Kim k and follow all kinds of pop music and stuff

So I don't know why we let our female sisters get trolled by non-muslims who think they are oppressed and we are evil for oppressing them
this is basically reverse misogyny where they have no choice cause they are treated like criminals when they wear niqab

 

[KingKhanWC]

Let me put it this way

Taking a prescribed pain killer under unavoidable circumstances is not the same as taking these narcotics as recreation.

Similarly wearing a veil is a symbol of a medieval and outdated custom and is seen some what as an oppressive symbol, wearing a mask is something you are doing out of necessity. How you don’t see the difference is beyond me.

Now if you are implying that an old veil/ niqab lying around the house are being used as a masks I see that as being resourceful and creative as long as they are being worn for hygienic purposes.

Read it a couple of times before you reply

Once is enough thanks.

This is your opinion not the opinion of those women who wear it, they dont see it as medival or outated. It seems you like to criticise womens fashion calling it outated but have you see what women wear in India or the millions of outdated cultural norms? How is the Sari modern? Nobody wears that in the west on the streets, not even Indian women.

Or do you have Islamaphobic issues?

 

[saeedhk]

Never suggested you wear it, I'd be scared too!

Let me try again.

Would it be ok for a women dressed in a Niqab if the face covering was a mask instead of cloth? Or would you still like it banned?

Btw it's not religous but cultural. I assume you comment on all womens fashion from various cultures.

I am not sure what you are asking. There is just no comparison. And, the burka has religious and cultural significance.

There are fundamental differences between mask and burka. I am appalled you pretend not to see them!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I am not sure what you are asking. There is just no comparison. And, the burka has religious and cultural significance.

There are fundamental differences between mask and burka. I am appalled you pretend not to see them!

The difference is why someone wears them. Let me simplfy even more for you.

If a women wears covers her face for fashion it's ok for you but not for religious reasons. Are you the Grand Mufti of Fashion in Hong Kong?

 

[Nadeemp]

lol

It’s seems people can’t answer a simple question.

For the 4/5th time It’s not a comparison . I’ll try again

Should the niqab be banned while others are being advised to wear masks ? Yes or no ? I don’t need to repeat answer . Yes or no will
Do ???

It’s a stupid question

 

[Nadeemp]

Purple.

There you go. A nonsense answer to a nonsense question.

I almost chocked on my sandwich. Good answer

 

[Nadeemp]

It's their personal freedom if they wanna walk naked or wanna wear a burqa who are we to say it's "outdated" man that's basically camunism where people are dictated to do what they can or can't do and I ferociously oppose banning things

It's not governments job to be like oh it's "outdated" so we should ban it I hate this idea on so many levels

it's totally 100% ignorant for you to say that oh they are forced to wear a niqab

Well smarty pants here in NY in University's campus girls walk around in niqab's and even in burqas and guess what their families are 1000s of miles away from their dorms and some Muslim girls walk around like everyday girls you see on the block so saying that millions of muslim girls are "forced" to wear niqab or burqa is 1000% wrong

And the girls I am talking about are not from rural areas they genuinely talk like Kim k and follow all kinds of pop music and stuff

So I don't know why we let our female sisters get trolled by non-muslims who think they are oppressed and we are evil for oppressing them
this is basically reverse misogyny where they have no choice cause they are treated like criminals when they wear niqab

I have been in nyc since the 90s and live very close to nyu campus. I have never seen a women in burqa or niqab. I am not saying they aren’t any. I have never seen. 100 percent of women in Iran wear a chowdr . Almost none wear it outside Iran. Why is that?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

What’s the point?

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

I don’t get this fixation with niqab. I don’t see a point of banning it and I also don’t see a point of making it mandatory. Either of those things create a backlash.

 

[Angrez Pakistani]

Unless the point is to use it as dog whistle against one community or the other.

 

[Bigboii]

I have been in nyc since the 90s and live very close to nyu campus. I have never seen a women in burqa or niqab. I am not saying they aren’t any. I have never seen. 100 percent of women in Iran wear a chowdr . Almost none wear it outside Iran. Why is that?

Man I can 1000% assure you that I am right and I am in upstate university living there and in my calculus class there is a full blown burqa wearing girl chatting away with friends ruining it for everybody and its not just one instance I see them all over my library and stuff

I mean I can never ever convince you but I swear to god I am not lying SERIOUSLY!!

 

[Bigboii]

I have been in nyc since the 90s and live very close to nyu campus. I have never seen a women in burqa or niqab. I am not saying they aren’t any. I have never seen. 100 percent of women in Iran wear a chowdr . Almost none wear it outside Iran. Why is that?

NYU is private university you are not going to see a lot of minority representation tbh

 

[Nadeemp]

Man I can 1000% assure you that I am right and I am in upstate university living there and in my calculus class there is a full blown burqa wearing girl chatting away with friends ruining it for everybody and its not just one instance I see them all over my library and stuff

I mean I can never ever convince you but I swear to god I am not lying SERIOUSLY!!

Sorry I thought u said NYU in manhattan

 

[Bigboii]

Man I can 1000% assure you that I am right and I am in upstate university living there and in my calculus class there is a full blown burqa wearing girl chatting away with friends ruining it for everybody and its not just one instance I see them all over my library and stuff

I mean I can never ever convince you but I swear to god I am not lying SERIOUSLY!!

and I think we are hear to share our opinion on banning niqab and imo both iran and people banning niqab are wrong

why cant we let women decide what they can and cant do

I think its misogynistic to suggest that we should ban burqa cause its "oppressing" women well if it is than women will throw it out themselves no need for so called "liberals" to yap

 

[Nadeemp]

and I think we are hear to share our opinion on banning niqab and imo both iran and people banning niqab are wrong

why cant we let women decide what they can and cant do

I think its misogynistic to suggest that we should ban burqa cause its "oppressing" women well if it is than women will throw it out themselves no need for so called "liberals" to yap

I don’t think the government should be in a business of telling us what or what not to wear. I have never stayed anything different ever. However the number of women who wear it in countries where it is mandatory and when those women when leave that particular country and come to the west , almost none of them wear it. That’s a big indicator what majority of women think about the chador /niqab . However I am in no position to tell anyone what to wear

 

[Bigboii]

I don’t think the government should be in a business of telling us what or what not to wear. I have never stayed anything different ever. However the number of women who wear it in countries where it is mandatory and when those women when leave that particular country and come to the west , almost none of them wear it. That’s a big indicator what majority of women think about the chador /niqab . However I am in no position to tell anyone what to wear

Agreed word for word

We can have opinions but government shouldn't dictate us about what to do

 

[saeedhk]

The difference is why someone wears them. Let me simplfy even more for you.

If a women wears covers her face for fashion it's ok for you but not for religious reasons. Are you the Grand Mufti of Fashion in Hong Kong?

I am not sure what point you are trying to drive home. You yourself, talk about the burqa being of cultural significance but then you link it with fashion. Confusing.

 

[Abdullah719]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“If an observant Muslim woman wanted to get on the Paris Metro, she would be required to remove her burqa and replace it with a face mask.” <a href="https://t.co/DfesbHKTfC">https://t.co/DfesbHKTfC</a></p>— Moustafa Bayoumi (@BayoumiMoustafa) <a href="https://twitter.com/BayoumiMoustafa/status/1259520201298714624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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[KingKhanWC]

I am not sure what point you are trying to drive home. You yourself, talk about the burqa being of cultural significance but then you link it with fashion. Confusing.

Cultural is fashion.

You have the same mentality as the French below lol

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">“If an observant Muslim woman wanted to get on the Paris Metro, she would be required to remove her burqa and replace it with a face mask.” <a href="https://t.co/DfesbHKTfC">https://t.co/DfesbHKTfC</a></p>— Moustafa Bayoumi (@BayoumiMoustafa) <a href="https://twitter.com/BayoumiMoustafa/status/1259520201298714624?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 10, 2020</a></blockquote>
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lol, Dont these people realise how stupid they sound?

 

[saeedhk]

Cultural is fashion.

You have the same mentality as the French below lol



lol, Dont these people realise how stupid they sound?

I do not really understand what your are arguing for. First you compared burka and facial masks and now all of a sudden you are bringing fashion into the whole debate. Bhai, chahtay kya ho?

Let me say it again, burka offers no protection against COVID-19 because it is NOT waterproof so it makes sense to don a facial mask!

 

[KingKhanWC]

I do not really understand what your are arguing for. First you compared burka and facial masks and now all of a sudden you are bringing fashion into the whole debate. Bhai, chahtay kya ho?

Let me say it again, burka offers no protection against COVID-19 because it is NOT waterproof so it makes sense to don a facial mask!

Leave out the Bhai chai, I dont respect anyone who wants to force women on what to wear or what not to.

Masks do not offer any protection unless you have your eyes covered.

Let women or men decide how to live, masks, burkas, or undwear on their face is not your business. Move on with your life.

 

[saeedhk]

Leave out the Bhai chai, I dont respect anyone who wants to force women on what to wear or what not to.

Masks do not offer any protection unless you have your eyes covered.

Let women or men decide how to live, masks, burkas, or undwear on their face is not your business. Move on with your life.

Read your posts again. Time and again you have been called out for your poor arguments. You have been flip-flopping from one stance to another. I hope they taught reasoning in British schools!

And, masks offer a lot of protection. Please stop lying!!

 

[KingKhanWC]

Read your posts again. Time and again you have been called out for your poor arguments. You have been flip-flopping from one stance to another. I hope they taught reasoning in British schools!

And, masks offer a lot of protection. Please stop lying!!

Scientists differ if masks protect you from the virus. But use your own mind, the eyes are no covered with a mask therefore the virus can transmit via the eyes.

Do you wear protective glasses too? If women with the Burka wore them, you'd start jumping up and down again, lol

 

[saeedhk]

Scientists differ if masks protect you from the virus. But use your own mind, the eyes are no covered with a mask therefore the virus can transmit via the eyes.

Do you wear protective glasses too? If women with the Burka wore them, you'd start jumping up and down again, lol

Mask provide a lot of protection from the virus. No doubt about that! Are you trolling or are you really not seeing the fallacies in your arguments. Now, you are debating eye covering. Protective glasses ARE FOR health safety. Why would anybody have a problem with them?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Mask provide a lot of protection from the virus. No doubt about that! Are you trolling or are you really not seeing the fallacies in your arguments. Now, you are debating eye covering. Protective glasses ARE FOR health safety. Why would anybody have a problem with them?

Masks are not so readily available in the UK, that is why you are getting advice from authorities how to cut makeshift masks from cloth or t-shirts. A burka would definitely be better on a bus than sitting wearing nothing and coughing and spluttering close to other passengers.

If you come to the UK I would advise you to wear a burka if you don't have a mask, but if you do, then obviously that is preferable.