Should the UK arrange a second referendum for Brexit?

[MenInG]

Fast becoming clear that things are not going the way UK wanted it to so is it time to ask the voters again?

 

[navin]

seriously?

 

[IMMY69]

I think it is.
Politicians have failed us.

 

[TM Riddle]

It will be a major 'beizzati' if something of that sorts happens.

 

[Markhor]

Parliament should vote on all the different Brexit options first - May's deal, Norway, Canada and no-deal.

 

[Sidilicious]

Yes, please.

Just as governments change in 4 years, people's opinion can also change. It been 2.5 years since the referendum and people are starting to realise the mistake. I would suggest a 55:45 vote in favour of remain if another referendum happened before the 19th of March.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I want one, second one, but fear civil unrest if the outcome changes to Remain.

 

[GBK_Fan]

I will still vote for Brexit. There is a serious death of leadership in the country. May is not capable of leading the country but atleast is a honest trier. Corbyn, Johnson and others are hyenas waiting on the sidelines, hoping for May to leave and then fight over the pieces.

 

[barah_admi]

A second referendum can only be useful if the media plays a more responsible and honest part. The narratives that swung the last vote (immigrations will take over, more money for NHS etc) were splashed across every media entity.

That can not happen again. We need facts, figures and people to make ip their own minds.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Brexit was a retrograde step but the cat's out of the bag now. Like Trump, this has to run it's course, if the Leavers aren't allowed their shot, they'll always claim they were prevented from saving Britain.

 

[Kroll]

No, just because the politicians have cocked up the due process, doesn't mean we should have a second referendum. The decision of the mandate needs to be followed through regardless of which side you sit on.

 

[IMMY69]

Just listening to the radio and listening to brexiteers is enough to warrant a new referendum.
They were lied too and somehow some still believe in those lies.

 

[IMMY69]

No, just because the politicians have cocked up the due process, doesn't mean we should have a second referendum. The decision of the mandate needs to be followed through regardless of which side you sit on.

That is a nonsense argument used by Exiters.

 

[Kroll]

Just listening to the radio and listening to brexiteers is enough to warrant a new referendum.
They were lied too and somehow some still believe in those lies.

It was down to the electorate to buy into the deceit and I'm sure the public isn't that naive as to know that lies do happen in politics in order to influence votes. I'd hazard a guess and say that there was a lot of prejudice behind the leave vote so the pros and cons of staying or leaving wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to them.

 

[Kroll]

That is a nonsense argument used by Exiters.

It's the Government's position - even the opposition for whom the majority supported Remain have accepted it.

 

[IMMY69]

It was down to the electorate to buy into the deceit and I'm sure the public isn't that naive as to know that lies do happen in politics in order to influence votes. I'd hazard a guess and say that there was a lot of prejudice behind the leave vote so the pros and cons of staying or leaving wouldn't have made a blind bit of difference to them.

Yes I agree that it was largely due to prejudice but it’s also true that a lot of people didn’t realise what they were actually voting for. Did the majority of the leavers even contemplate the Northern Ireland border issue or that £39b (it could even have been more) would have to be paid to the EU due to the UK’s existing contractual commitments, irrespective of whether we leave with a deal or crash out of the EU... so this notion that money could be directed to the NHS was just a blatant lie...

So many leavers I spoke to before the 2016 referendum were under the impression that East Europeans were coming here claim benefits.... forget the fact that they would be kicked out if they failed to get a job in 3 months and we’re entitled to zero benefits until they paid into the system for 5 years..

In 2016 a Hugh proportion of the leave vote was from the older generation, two years on and we now have a whole new generation of voters so isn’t true democracy about giving everyone a say especially when all the facts are known?

 

[IMMY69]

It's the Government's position - even the opposition for whom the majority supported Remain have accepted it.

Corbyn is a leaver and has always been a hater of the EU bit in their own party conference they made it clear that if it comes to it then they will go to the people’s vote again.
Labour are as divided as the Tories are when it comes to Brexit.

 

[IMMY69]

Brexit was a retrograde step but the cat's out of the bag now. Like Trump, this has to run it's course, if the Leavers aren't allowed their shot, they'll always claim they were prevented from saving Britain.

But at what cost?
At least with Trump the Congress can stand strong now but here the Parliament is absolutely divided..
no one has a plan and just crashing out will be horrendous for our economy and the social unrest from that could far out weigh any social unrest from having another vote where remain wins.

 

[Pakistanian]

No, the decision should be respected.

 

[IMMY69]

A lot of Asians voted to exit due to the “commonwealth” argument used by the campaigners of Brexit...
Such stupidity

 

[Devilsadvokat]

I will still vote for Brexit. There is a serious death of leadership in the country.

Do you mean 'dearth'. Lol, i guess death works just as well. Politicians were always like this, just that we were younger, or not born.

Why vote brexit?

 

[Sidilicious]

Yes I agree that it was largely due to prejudice but it’s also true that a lot of people didn’t realise what they were actually voting for. Did the majority of the leavers even contemplate the Northern Ireland border issue or that £39b (it could even have been more) would have to be paid to the EU due to the UK’s existing contractual commitments, irrespective of whether we leave with a deal or crash out of the EU... so this notion that money could be directed to the NHS was just a blatant lie...

So many leavers I spoke to before the 2016 referendum were under the impression that East Europeans were coming here claim benefits.... forget the fact that they would be kicked out if they failed to get a job in 3 months and we’re entitled to zero benefits until they paid into the system for 5 years..

In 2016 a Hugh proportion of the leave vote was from the older generation, two years on and we now have a whole new generation of voters so isn’t true democracy about giving everyone a say especially when all the facts are known?

Well put argument. People vote governments out, 4 years after they had been elected by the same voters. Why cant they vote again on a Brexit? Opinions are allowed to change over 3 years.

 

[Wasim_Waqar]

Yes. People didn’t know what they were voting for. Some Pakistanis here voted to leave as they thought it would therefore be easier to bring people over here remain is the only way forward.

 

[IMMY69]

Well put argument. People vote governments out, 4 years after they had been elected by the same voters. Why cant they vote again on a Brexit? Opinions are allowed to change over 3 years.

Well you’re absolutely right. If anything at least we can vote for a government every four years... with Brexit, once we’re out we’re actually out so it’s even more important the people have the afill facts and decide their own future...

 

[IMMY69]

Yes. People didn’t know what they were voting for. Some Pakistanis here voted to leave as they thought it would therefore be easier to bring people over here �� remain is the only way forward.

Lol.. you are so right about this. Indians and Pakistany...
They fell for the commonwealth argument hook line and sinker.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Perhaps we should have a best of 5 Ashes style - if it's still a draw at the end of that some sort of super over can be arranged.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I want one, second one, but fear civil unrest if the outcome changes to Remain.

Even if the government reversed Brexit without another referendum there won't be civil unrest - most people who voted for Brexit are old and aren't the type to riot on the streets.

 

[PakLFC]

Yes. We didn't know at the time of the first vote that the whole thing would become such a mess. Those who originally voted "yes" would surely reconsider their decision. I wanted and still do believe we are better off being part of Europe all things considered.

 

[Robert]

Fast becoming clear that things are not going the way UK wanted it to so is it time to ask the voters again?

Yes. Parliament is deadlocked. They will not agree on Norway+, Canada+++, May's deal or WTO. The only way out of the trap is to ask the people what to do. Question is - what is the question? I reckon it will be:

A - Revoke A50 and stay as full EU members
B - Mrs May's Deal
C - Hard Brexit, WTO terms.

 

[IMMY69]

Yes. Parliament is deadlocked. They will not agree on Norway+, Canada+++, May's deal or WTO. The only way out of the trap is to ask the people what to do. Question is - what is the question? I reckon it will be:

A - Revoke A50 and stay as full EU members
B - Mrs May's Deal
C - Hard Brexit, WTO terms.

The Norway deal is a no no for two reasons.
1. It allows freedom of movement
2. I doubt the the EEA countries will want the UK inside their circle.

The Canada+++ deal, can you or anyone else please explain how this will be better then remaining in the EU? From a financial/economical view point?

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Yes. Parliament is deadlocked. They will not agree on Norway+, Canada+++, May's deal or WTO. The only way out of the trap is to ask the people what to do. Question is - what is the question? I reckon it will be:

A - Revoke A50 and stay as full EU members
B - Mrs May's Deal
C - Hard Brexit, WTO terms.

That would mean that the Leave vote would be split. Civil unrest may/will follow.

 

[IMMY69]

I go back to what I said in my first post...
It’s a mess..

 

[GBK_Fan]

Do you mean 'dearth'. Lol, i guess death works just as well. Politicians were always like this, just that we were younger, or not born.

Why vote brexit?

Lol yes I did mean dearth.

Number of reasons:
1 I fail to see the EU as a force of good in this world. A bunch of ex imperial powers teaming their wealth together to get an overinflated position on the world stage.
2. Not everyone in the EU is created equal. France can close its ports to immigrant ships but if Italy does the same, they are fascists.
3. As much as leavers, the remainers are over exaggerating the impact of leave on the uk financial services. Yes there are contingency plans in place for Brexit but we also have plans in place should Corbyn come in place. Corbyn will have a larger impact on capital flight than Brexit on financial services. The industry body has made multiple statements about this, but somehow Corbyn is seen as the messiah of the remainers.
4. Leave is the right time to build up a property portfolio

 

[Kroll]

We can cry as much as we want, but a second referendum on Brexit ain't happening.

 

[IMMY69]

Lol yes I did mean dearth.

Number of reasons:
1 I fail to see the EU as a force of good in this world. A bunch of ex imperial powers teaming their wealth together to get an overinflated position on the world stage.
2. Not everyone in the EU is created equal. France can close its ports to immigrant ships but if Italy does the same, they are fascists.
3. As much as leavers, the remainers are over exaggerating the impact of leave on the uk financial services. Yes there are contingency plans in place for Brexit but we also have plans in place should Corbyn come in place. Corbyn will have a larger impact on capital flight than Brexit on financial services. The industry body has made multiple statements about this, but somehow Corbyn is seen as the messiah of the remainers.
4. Leave is the right time to build up a property portfolio

I think Corbyn is dangerous for our economy.

Point 4 is only valid if you earn in Dollars and have plenty of cash and happy to sit on it for a few years with decreasing/low rental yields.
There will be great opportunities but not for the poorer off or for those youngsters hoping to get on the ladder.

 

[GBK_Fan]

I think Corbyn is dangerous for our economy.

Point 4 is only valid if you earn in Dollars and have plenty of cash and happy to sit on it for a few years with decreasing/low rental yields.
There will be great opportunities but not for the poorer off or for those youngsters hoping to get on the ladder.

Agree. I am looking at it from a personal
benefit viewpoint. The younger guys are finding it difficult anyway. Nothing changes for them tbh.

 

[Devilsadvokat]

Agree. I am looking at it from a personal
benefit viewpoint. The younger guys are finding it difficult anyway. Nothing changes for them tbh.

I'm alright Jack. Tkay.

 

[Markhor]

The Norway deal is a no no for two reasons.
1. It allows freedom of movement
2. I doubt the the EEA countries will want the UK inside their circle.

The Canada+++ deal, can you or anyone else please explain how this will be better then remaining in the EU? From a financial/economical view point?

Free movement is not an absolute right. Since 2004, the EU allows countries after 3 months to repatriate those who can't get a job or have means to support themselves. However the UK Government has not implemented this directive. What was Theresa May doing at the Home Office for six years ?

Under Article 112 of the EEA Treaty we can also exercise an emergency brake on migration if there are severe econonic or social circumstances. Most people according to polls support EU free movement of labour but politicians have kowtowed to the anti-immigration lobby for so long we wouldn't know it.

 

[shaz619]

Lol yes I did mean dearth.

Number of reasons:
1 I fail to see the EU as a force of good in this world. A bunch of ex imperial powers teaming their wealth together to get an overinflated position on the world stage.
2. Not everyone in the EU is created equal. France can close its ports to immigrant ships but if Italy does the same, they are fascists.
3. As much as leavers, the remainers are over exaggerating the impact of leave on the uk financial services. Yes there are contingency plans in place for Brexit but we also have plans in place should Corbyn come in place. Corbyn will have a larger impact on capital flight than Brexit on financial services. The industry body has made multiple statements about this, but somehow Corbyn is seen as the messiah of the remainers.
4. Leave is the right time to build up a property portfolio

Why do you believe point 4 to be true ?

 

[GBK_Fan]

Why do you believe point 4 to be true ?

I have made money in the past when there was a recession in the property market. I believe the price movement in certain areas like good school areas will bounce back after the economy picks up post the Brexit shock. Again it’s a function of the disposable income you own. If you are looking at a significant bank loan to build one, i will not recommend you to invest.

 

[shaz619]

I have made money in the past when there was a recession in the property market. I believe the price movement in certain areas like good school areas will bounce back after the economy picks up post the Brexit shock. Again it’s a function of the disposable income you own. If you are looking at a significant bank loan to build one, i will not recommend you to invest.

That makes sense. Beyond that, even if property value does drop banks still may be hesitant to borrow first time buyers in a declining economy.

 

[IMMY69]

Free movement is not an absolute right. Since 2004, the EU allows countries after 3 months to repatriate those who can't get a job or have means to support themselves. However the UK Government has not implemented this directive. What was Theresa May doing at the Home Office for six years ?

Under Article 112 of the EEA Treaty we can also exercise an emergency brake on migration if there are severe econonic or social circumstances. Most people according to polls support EU free movement of labour but politicians have kowtowed to the anti-immigration lobby for so long we wouldn't know it.

Yes I mentioned the Three month rule before.

With regards to it not being implemented, well I think it was good for the economy that it wasn't.
Immigration from the EU has been great for the economy in every single way.

Also, the property crises is not due to immigration but due to the lack of building. Imagine how much worse it would have been without the European Labour force.

 

[IMMY69]

That makes sense. Beyond that, even if property value does drop banks still may be hesitant to borrow first time buyers in a declining economy.

You are right. Only the rich or well off may possibly benefit from this.

 

[GBK_Fan]

You are right. Only the rich or well off may possibly benefit from this.

The property market is skewed against the first timers whether we like it or not. As soon as we have golden visa schemes or mechanisms for people to stay on the basis of investment you skew the market against the average earners in your population. Britain needs to decide if it wants to continue being the favoured destination for ill gotten wealth abroad and make a move.

 

[Bosanquet]

Yes. Parliament is deadlocked. They will not agree on Norway+, Canada+++, May's deal or WTO. The only way out of the trap is to ask the people what to do. Question is - what is the question? I reckon it will be:

A - Revoke A50 and stay as full EU members
B - Mrs May's Deal
C - Hard Brexit, WTO terms.

You forgot the worst (or best according to JR-M & his ilk) - "No Deal Brexit". That's likely to be on the ballot paper if we do eventually get one.

 

[Bosanquet]

I have made money in the past when there was a recession in the property market. I believe the price movement in certain areas like good school areas will bounce back after the economy picks up post the Brexit shock. Again it’s a function of the disposable income you own. If you are looking at a significant bank loan to build one, i will not recommend you to invest.

We sold our home in south london in April. We are renting at present. Will buy a home in Edinburgh next spring since our son has started university there. Then, sometime in 2019/20 we will get an apartment to let in east london. Timing will depend on the fall-out from brexit.
Meanwhile my better half (who is Indian) has decided that she would like to live half of the year in her hometown, where we already have some property. Looks like we will be voluntarily part-brexiting ourselves. No doubt the local wing of UKIP will be cheering.

 

[Halaribo]

Voting Leave to make a quick buck. Selfishness in line with Boris, Mogg and Farage -spits-

The worst type of voters. At least the racist's are thicko's, and will vote Leave regardless.

People's perception of the EU is nothing more than what they've read in the paper.

Bring on a second referendum.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Yes, they should.

Only enemies of the UK and the EU [likes of Putin/Trump and other villains] will benefit from Brexit.

Hopefully May will see the light and do the right thing.

One can only wish...

 

[Buffet]

Citizens voluntarily chose to reduce their quality of life. It was obvious , but hey everyone makes their choice.

 

[Bosanquet]

Citizens voluntarily chose to reduce their quality of life. It was obvious , but hey everyone makes their choice.

I have not met anyone in UK (admittedly just London & Edinburgh) who "voluntarily chose to reduce their quality of life". As many a commentator has noted, nobody voted to be poorer. They mostly swallowed the lies of the rabid brexiters that the country would be better off with £350 million per week going to Nhs & other such nonsense. Or perhaps chose to believe it because they could not admit even to themselves what their real reasons for voting leave were. Quite staggering really.

I am currently visiting India. I meet my wife's friends from school & university daily here. What is amazing is just how much they know about brexit. I have not come across even one who reckons it's a good idea for UK. In fact they almost laugh at the sheer stupidity of it all & are in total disbelief that a serious nation could indulge in this level of self-deception & self-harm. They also keep reassuring me that we are bound to pull back from the brink & have another referendum. I wish I could be as optimistic.

 

[IMMY69]

^^^
and to think people still believe that we can make better trade agreements directly with countries..
How will the UK be able to make deals with countries like the USA and China and other EU countries directly then the existing ones we have through the EU???

How is this even possible?

 

[Robert]

That would mean that the Leave vote would be split. Civil unrest may/will follow.

Civil unrest will follow Brexit too, due to mass unemployment and food shortages.

 

[Bosanquet]

Civil unrest will follow Brexit too, due to mass unemployment and food shortages.

I work in the NHS, soon to retire. There are already significant shortages of medical, nursing & technical staff where I work. Posts are going unfilled, Europeans (except Greeks) do not want to come here any more. The crises I see daily in a London teaching hospital must be far worse in the district generals & of course inner-city GP surgeries. If the tories imagine that they can manage by attracting doctors from the sub-continent, they are in for a rude shock. People I talk to in India (all sorts of professionals, not just Medics) would much rather go to US/Canada/Australia. They are aware of the significant problems with NHS funding & services.
So it's not only food or employment. Brexit will severely affect our healthcare provisions.

 

[Slog]

it will be a field day for right wing conspiracy theorists all over the world

 

[Robert]

The Norway deal is a no no for two reasons.
1. It allows freedom of movement
2. I doubt the the EEA countries will want the UK inside their circle.

The Canada+++ deal, can you or anyone else please explain how this will be better then remaining in the EU? From a financial/economical view point?

Free trade agreement with no freedom of movement. This would have the advantage that the overseas car firms would stay in the U.K. not sure how it would affect JIT supply chains though as we would be outside the customs union.

But it won’t fix the NI border problem.

 

[Bosanquet]

Free trade agreement with no freedom of movement. This would have the advantage that the overseas car firms would stay in the U.K. not sure how it would affect JIT supply chains though as we would be outside the customs union.

But it won’t fix the NI border problem.

Just been reading about the provisions that EU are preparing in the event of a no-deal Brexit. Everybody in UK needs to read them, especially those who claimed that the EU would not try to "punish" UK.
Just watch what happens to the ports when they institute checks on all food/animal imports. JIT chains will collapse. They are also advising all banks that trade with EU to move out of UK & so forth.

 

[IMMY69]

I now suspect a Referendum has already been decided by the cabinet. Everything being said is just a facade to make the people realise there is no other option and to accept a new vote without too much protest..

 

[James]

It’s either No Deal or Referendum II.

The only viable outcomes now.

 

[MenInG]

The desperation to hold on to power for May is amazing. But yes, a second ref is a good outcome.

 

[Bosanquet]

If there is to be a second referendum on May's deal/ no deal brexit/ remain , I hope that the young really do come out & vote this time. If those below 25 (who are going to be worst affected by brexit) had voted at the same rate as those above 65yrs, then remain would probably have won the first time around & we could have avoided the last 3 years of political paralysis.

 

[GBK_Fan]

Do people really believe a second referendum will help? Think you are a business owner who is investing for access to the EU. Brexit or not, Will you ever put your in money in the UK knowing this country has already voted for Brexit and may change its mind again? That ship has sailed with the first vote. A number of jobs have already moved and a few more will go, beyond that there won’t be much impact in the financial services sector in London atm. I can’t talk about the other sectors but a lot of it are doomsday scenarios propagated by the remainers

 

[Eagle_Eye]

so our remoaner friends here... tell us

1. how much does the UK give the EU every week.

2. Just for voting brexit, did the treasury and Bank of England forecasts come true?

 

[IMMY69]

so our remoaner friends here... tell us

1. how much does the UK give the EU every week.

2. Just for voting brexit, did the treasury and Bank of England forecasts come true?

Who is a remoaner?

 

[IMMY69]

Those that support exiting keep tell me how the £39b will be saved and can go in to services such as the NHS. However, if I'm not mistaken that £39b will have to be paid to the EU, irrespective of whether we leave with an agreement or not.

The amount we paid to the EU we always got some of it in the form of rebates which were spent largely in areas that voted to leave. Thats the irony. Those areas will not feel the affects until we actually leave the EU, especially without a deal.

With respect to treasury and Bank of England forecasts coming true just for voting for Brexit, I think you only have to look at the Pound and the rate of Inflation. Just because you don't personally feel it now doesn't mean that others have not been affected by it.

The construction industry for one has been hit badly since Brexit.

The biggest banks have already started moving jobs abroad.

A vast amount of companies are struggling to fill important roles due to a vast shortage of skilled workers.

Economic growth has slowed big time.

High street retail is suffering, due to online shopping but also because people are nervous the we are going to leave without a deal.

The above are just the pre Brexit problems, we haven't even left the EU yet.

 

[IMMY69]

https://ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-companies/

 

[Bosanquet]

so our remoaner friends here... tell us

1. how much does the UK give the EU every week.

2. Just for voting brexit, did the treasury and Bank of England forecasts come true?

Ok, here goes

UK pays EU 13 billion per year & gets 4 bill back as EU spending on "deprived" areas. So a net of 9 bill per year. Interestingly, the bulk of EU grants go to areas which most strongly voted for brexit. Pigeons will come home to roost!

Next - we haven't brexited yet, just wait for a few more months.

HOWEVER - sterling fell by 15 - 20% against Euro & dollar. GDP growth rate has dropped from 3.1% in the pre-vote year to 1.8% last year. Numerous firms including jaguar (UKs largest car-maker) are laying off staff & already moving production to europe.

After we exit particularly in a no deal scenario, our companies will start paying duties on £274 billion of exports to EU & our population will start paying extra for £340 billion of imports. That amount will absolutely dwarf any savings that the country makes from not paying for membership of the largest trading bloc in the world.

So you see, my Brexi-tard friend, we are in for a tough time.

Having said that, my wife & I will be leaving (personal brexit!!) - summer & autumn in Edinburgh, winter & spring somewhere salubrious & warm in another part of the world. let's hope the Scots have the sense to leave the union if UK leaves EU.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Those that support exiting keep tell me how the £39b will be saved and can go in to services such as the NHS. However, if I'm not mistaken that £39b will have to be paid to the EU, irrespective of whether we leave with an agreement or not.

The amount we paid to the EU we always got some of it in the form of rebates which were spent largely in areas that voted to leave. Thats the irony. Those areas will not feel the affects until we actually leave the EU, especially without a deal.

With respect to treasury and Bank of England forecasts coming true just for voting for Brexit, I think you only have to look at the Pound and the rate of Inflation. Just because you don't personally feel it now doesn't mean that others have not been affected by it.

The construction industry for one has been hit badly since Brexit.

The biggest banks have already started moving jobs abroad.

A vast amount of companies are struggling to fill important roles due to a vast shortage of skilled workers.

Economic growth has slowed big time.

High street retail is suffering, due to online shopping but also because people are nervous the we are going to leave without a deal.

The above are just the pre Brexit problems, we haven't even left the EU yet.

Please spare us the commentary... I asked two straight forward questions. Kindly answer those. Let's establish some facts first. Then we can decide who is ill informed or were/are telling lies.

 

[Markhor]

so our remoaner friends here... tell us

1. how much does the UK give the EU every week.

2. Just for voting brexit, did the treasury and Bank of England forecasts come true?

It's true the Treasury were too negative on certain aspects. They were too negative on output, inflation and unemployment.

However they got their forecast on sterling, real wages and the extra borrowing of £26bn due to hit to GDP right. So the reality is more mixed than Brexiteers make out.

 

[IMMY69]

Please spare us the commentary... I asked two straight forward questions. Kindly answer those. Let's establish some facts first. Then we can decide who is ill informed or were/are telling lies.

This is the problem....

You can throw facts and figures to brexiteers but they have little come bac other then "have faith", "take back control of the borders and our laws", "things are not as bad as what the government was saying"etc etc etc

Leading up to the referendum, we had people fall for the fear campaign from both sides and then you had people who did their own research and came to the conclusion based on what they know and not what they have been told......

So spare us the stupid questions and just tell everyone why you think Brexit will be good for the country??

 

[Eagle_Eye]

And here is the problem.... you ask simple 2 questions.

not one remainers answer both.

 

[IMMY69]

And here is the problem.... you ask simple 2 questions.

not one remainers answer both.

And here is the problem.
You clearly can't read...

 

[Thulsa]

And here is the problem.... you ask simple 2 questions.

not one remainers answer both.

That’s because your questions are as relevant as an ashtray on a motorbike and are incapable of grasping the wide ranging implications.

I could school you on this, but your responses thus far suggest this will be far beyond your ability to comprehend them. So instead I will pose two questions to you:

1) How much does our supply chain across all sectors benefit from tariff free imports - and now add 10% on top of that - what’s the weekly effect?

2) A rise in interest rates will be inevitable - but brought through a supply shock - what’s the imact?

Let’s see how you do.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

And here is the problem.
You clearly can't read...

Please point to me where YOU answered any of my 2 questions.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That’s because your questions are as relevant as an ashtray on a motorbike and are incapable of grasping the wide ranging implications.

I could school you on this, but your responses thus far suggest this will be far beyond your ability to comprehend them. So instead I will pose two questions to you:

1) How much does our supply chain across all sectors benefit from tariff free imports - and now add 10% on top of that - what’s the weekly effect?

2) A rise in interest rates will be inevitable - but brought through a supply shock - what’s the imact?

Let’s see how you do.

Again. More obfuscation and not answering my questions.

 

[IMMY69]

Please point to me where YOU answered any of my 2 questions.

1. with our without the rebate? I answered re the £39b which the brexiteers propagate.
the amounts paid on yearly basis was answered by Bosanquet
2. already answered by myself and by Markhor and Bosanquet.

Your turn.

You called out those that actually put forward arguments and those that call out for a referendum or feel that a rerferendum may be the only option as Remoaners then asked to be "spared the commentary" when I replied...So please explain why you think Exiting with no deal or not having a referendum is best for the country?????

Whilst you're at it please also respond to Thulsa's post (post no. 72).

Lets have it

 

[Thulsa]

That’s because they are flawed questions - you can simply take the annual amount and flat line it by 52. But that is flawed as it makes no allowance for the UK rebate and the benefits of tariff free trade - monetary and time wise.

On the BoE and HMT forecast - you do realise Brexit hasn’t happened yet. Yet sterling has lost value however ratifying or refuting this is impossible as the event itself hasn’t yet transpired.

Now, answer my questions.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

1. with our without the rebate? I answered re the £39b which the brexiteers propagate.
the amounts paid on yearly basis was answered by Bosanquet
2. already answered by myself and by Markhor and Bosanquet.

Your turn.

You called out those that actually put forward arguments and those that call out for a referendum or feel that a rerferendum may be the only option as Remoaners then asked to be "spared the commentary" when I replied...So please explain why you think Exiting with no deal or not having a referendum is best for the country?????

Whilst you're at it please also respond to Thulsa's post (post no. 72).

Lets have it

This is like extracting blood out of a stone here...


For question:
1. Start with amount allocated down to net.
2. It requires a yes or no answer.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That’s because they are flawed questions - you can simply take the annual amount and flat line it by 52. But that is flawed as it makes no allowance for the UK rebate and the benefits of tariff free trade - monetary and time wise.

On the BoE and HMT forecast - you do realise Brexit hasn’t happened yet. Yet sterling has lost value however ratifying or refuting this is impossible as the event itself hasn’t yet transpired.

Now, answer my questions.

Kindly read my question 2 properly ..... the forecasts were for just voting out.

 

[Thulsa]

Kindly read my question 2 properly ..... the forecasts were for just voting out.

I have and you want a simple to comprehend answer that is binary - a classic case for wanting a dumbed down answer to what is in fact more complex. But I will humour you - The correct answer is partially.

But if the purpose of this thread is to evaluate the proficiency of the BoE or HMT then that is one thing. But your responses thus far as all pertaining to the merits of Brexit.

So, now for the third time, respond to my questions.

 

[Sidilicious]

People do not understand simple economics. Any money invested in poorer economies within the EU, also helps the UK as it allows the markets in the countries to develop. In return, UK makes money off those areas by selling their products and services. Is it so difficult to understand?

As a British citizen, one of the greatest advantages I've had are the ability to study in France and work in Germany. IT has added so much more to my experiences. Imagine taking that away from the next generation.