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Sindh Knights vs Balochistan Warriors | 6th January, 2015 | Pentangular Cup | Karachi

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Pete Rose said:
as are you i believe. I will take Misbah SR for a higher average because it will complement the hit and miss of the others. and much as I dont like YK, I think they will need him. If the young guns show that that they can do both: score and stay at the pitch guys like YK will disappear.
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Sorry but you are truly deluded if you think we need yk. He can barely score a run and when he does its to the teams detriment. Ross taylor did more damage to the Pak team with that dropped catch then he will ever do with his bat.

maqsood, alam, akmal, all have done more than YK, in fact the only one who has done less is yours truly shafiq, though i would still have more hope from him.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
Sorry but you are truly deluded if you think we need yk. He can barely score a run and when he does its to the teams detriment. Ross taylor did more damage to the Pak team with that dropped catch then he will ever do with his bat.

maqsood, alam, akmal, all have done more than YK, in fact the only one who has done less is yours truly shafiq, though i would still have more hope from him.
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i think the point is not about who is deluded more or less. its about how thing in sport don't usually pan out as all in or all out.
if you are proposing a line up excluding YK and including junior, afridi, hafeez, sohaib, akmal in Australia thats pretty brave.
its not how it works. you put all these guys in the world cup line up and I can guarantee that at least 2 of them will not be in the Pakistan line up for 2 years after.
 
Anchorman said:
Nobody doubts his ability to play the big shots when required, it's his ability to refrain from playing aerial shots when they're not required that's in question.
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We are going to have plenty of tuk tuk so don't worry about it too much
 
JibranAnsari said:
Haris/shehzad
Afridi
Irfan
Wahab
Junaid.
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a few interesting predictions from you in the past.
If I recall, that line up of 8 batsmen will get you 280 - 300 so that would mean this bowling line up will defend a score of 280 to 300?
some big calls there.
 
Pete Rose said:
i think the point is not about who is deluded more or less. its about how thing in sport don't usually pan out as all in or all out.
if you are proposing a line up excluding YK and including junior, afridi, hafeez, sohaib, akmal in Australia thats pretty brave.
its not how it works. you put all these guys in the world cup line up and I can guarantee that at least 2 of them will not be in the Pakistan line up for 2 years after.
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i havent mentioned professor once, i like him but he has no use if he cant bowl. Afridi i have never wanted, his career should have ended a long time ago but with the suspensions we have suffered he has become a necessity. Sohaib and Akmal though should walk into this team as things stand. thats says more about others players than them buts just the way it is
 
Pete Rose said:
Shehzad, Hafeez, Misbah, Haris, Sarfaraz, Umar Akmal, Sohaib, fawad: 8 batsmen. pretty sure we need some bowlers as well.
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if people really believe Harris will be as good with the ball in Aus as he was in UAE then they need to come to reality. Harris has rarely ever bowled in domestic cricket. The turning pitch hide this fact but he will be really given tough time in Aus/NZ. Pakistan must look for alternatives. Shehzad is a 10+ bowler so he is not a choice as well.

That's why I said Umar Amin could be a handy pick.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
i havent mentioned professor once, i like him but he has no use if he cant bowl. Afridi i have never wanted, his career should have ended a long time ago but with the suspensions we have suffered he has become a necessity. Sohaib and Akmal though should walk into this team as things stand. thats says more about others players than them buts just the way it is
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no you have not mentioned them and i am not suggesting that you have. but thats the hand we are dealt: those two will play in the world cup. can make a line up in a vacuum
and you know what happens when cricketers fail in Pakistan: junior ones go out first.
 
Pete Rose said:
no you have not mentioned them and i am not suggesting that you have. but thats the hand we are dealt: those two will play in the world cup. can make a line up in a vacuum
and you know what happens when cricketers fail in Pakistan: junior ones go out first.
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not if the young ones perform and i have more hope from them than any senior.
 
Pete Rose said:
2 quickfire 30's are going to get us a win? ok
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No they are going to get us ahead of the game that yk, muq, or sarfaraz, or Harris can then finish , rather than wasting the middle overs and getting miles behind the rrr and asking afridi to win the game every time. If one of them gets more all well n good.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
not if the young ones perform and i have more hope from them than any senior.
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i expect YK to play a defensive role (his strength) and score more than akmal in his aggressive (his strenth role).
so who is the worse player: the one who can play on his strengths or the one who cant?
 
So I have a question: who has played the more valuable innings today?
Sohaib or Azhar?
 
Anchorman said:
Azhar by a landslide.
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Doesn't matter

If you want another pathetic ODI batsman in the squad along with Misbah, Shafiq, YK, Younis who will block and block then take him

Maqsood is the better player
 
Jabo said:
Doesn't matter

If you want another pathetic ODI batsman in the squad along with Misbah, Shafiq, YK, Younis who will block and block then take him

Maqsood is the better player
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you have to show that on the field, cant live off potential.
 
Pete Rose said:
i expect YK to play a defensive role (his strength) and score more than akmal in his aggressive (his strenth role).
so who is the worse player: the one who can play on his strengths or the one who cant?
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I truly doubt it, bar bashing zimbabwae and maybe a slow grind against india he won't don't anything, guy doesn't even average 20 in aus or NZ
 
Question to those who are watchin.
Is Mir Hamza worth the hype or is he just another shinwari??
 
if only we could get rid of all the younus, misbah, hafeez and asad so we can include all these young guns like amin, babar, rizwan and fawad.
 
Azhar helping to post a good score.
Balochistan have the bowling to mount a challenge
 
oh my gosh. Sohail takes 6fer..:facepalm:

Now Yahya Husseini will interview Moin Khan about his possibility of making to the world cup squad..:yk
 
Pete Rose said:
would have gotten it if sohaib had not done an umar akmal
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Azhar had a slow start and a slower finish IMO. He should have been hitting big in the last few overs but he find fielders to most of his shots. I don't think he is an impactful ODI batsman. May be a poor version of Trott.
 
MRSN said:
Azhar had a slow start and a slower finish IMO. He should have been hitting big in the last few overs but he find fielders to most of his shots. I don't think he is an impactful ODI batsman. May be a poor version of Trott.
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yes but it still excuse the more talented super stars in this team. who can apparently "hit the big shots when needed" pity they dont seem to demonstrate the power to last more than 5 overs. he had a good platform and no pressure and still threw it away.
I don't necessarily feel strongly about either player, but we should be objective about the score card. We are faulting the player who came in as opener to do better than what he did - fine, but we dont find fault in a middle order player who threw away his wicket under no pressure.
 
With all this only one of UA and Maqsood should be in squad....would you rather have a YK 100 off 120 balls in losing effort. If a top 3 scores a 100, it should be definite to chase 300. We couldn't do that in last series when YK scored a 100.
 
Pete Rose said:
yes but it still excuse the more talented super stars in this team. who can apparently "hit the big shots when needed" pity they dont seem to demonstrate the power to last more than 5 overs. he had a good platform and no pressure and still threw it away.
I don't necessarily feel strongly about either player, but we should be objective about the score card. We are faulting the player who came in as opener to do better than what he did - fine, but we dont find fault in a middle order player who threw away his wicket under no pressure.
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he has been out of cricket for a while recovering from injury so give him some time.

Yes Azhar played a very good knock at the end of the day and he outperformed everyone. But when you think of him having in the side then you have to think of his role. Can you have him in a team that has Misbah,YK,Harris,Hafeez and Shehzad?I don't think so. Horses for courses theory works in ODIs. You have to settle for the best combination. Just because someone is scoring cant be the only criteria in the ODIs. Post world cup he might be in the side as no.3 batsman but right now we are looking for some good strikers.
 
MRSN said:
he has been out of cricket for a while recovering from injury so give him some time.

Yes Azhar played a very good knock at the end of the day and he outperformed everyone. But when you think of him having in the side then you have to think of his role. Can you have him in a team that has Misbah,YK,Harris,Hafeez and Shehzad?I don't think so. Horses for courses theory works in ODIs. You have to settle for the best combination. Just because someone is scoring cant be the only criteria in the ODIs. Post world cup he might be in the side as no.3 batsman but right now we are looking for some good strikers.
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sure. I am not advocating for Azhar to be in the squad at all.
I just despise this shallow narrative thats common on PP that, well so and so talented player has all the shots in the world but he is being kept out for a tuk tuk. And I use the situation today as an example of why things sometimes go the way do in selection. the boring guy with less shots is performing while the talented player is missing in action despite a great platform.
 
is it me or the standard of ground fielding (not just catching) is improving as the tournament goes on
 
Pete Rose said:
2 quickfire 30's are going to get us a win? ok
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Can't be taken seriously. He's from the afridi school of thought.

You're right that both often misfire and can't play according to the situation.

Maqsood needs to use his brain as 2 middle order batsmen reaching only 20s will not take us to decent totals.
 
Rahat is troubling both batsmen. I think after the world cup they need to start playing him in odi's to ease him in to the game.
 
Two middle order batsmen scoring only 20s often wont have average in mid 30s.

Now the ones who are they fighting their places against average sub 25 and early 30s.

Whom do you think is more likely to end up scoring in 20s?
 
Pete Rose said:
sure. I am not advocating for Azhar to be in the squad at all.
I just despise this shallow narrative thats common on PP that, well so and so talented player has all the shots in the world but he is being kept out for a tuk tuk. And I use the situation today as an example of why things sometimes go the way do in selection. the boring guy with less shots is performing while the talented player is missing in action despite a great platform.
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Don't you think these boring,tuk tuk style of batsmen were the reason for our last wc sf exit? So people have a reason.

I don't think the modern cricket suits too many players who are limited. Scoring isn't the only thing. 80+ strike rate is a must. Yes you might afford one batsman @3 like English side had Trott for years but too many is a too much.
 
Always thought Rahat would be a good option for ODIs since he can swing the ball and has decent pace, while we are lacking a good opening bowler. Seriously, some people want tool-kit opening the bowling in the WC. However, Rahat for some reason or the other doesn't seem to have played a lot of LA matches and doesn't have a good record in the format so far. Bowling well today though.
 
JibranAnsari said:
Two middle order batsmen scoring only 20s often wont have average in mid 30s.

Now the ones who are they fighting their places against average sub 25 and early 30s.

Whom do you think is more likely to end up scoring in 20s?
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exactly.

These 'slow boring batsmen' haven't been consistent enough to make up for their averages.

YK averages less than 20 in last 2 years.
Asad Shafiq averages like 12 runs in last 15 ODIs. Strike rate 60.
Misbah also averages less than 20 in the last year and strike rate is also in the 60s.

No one would have any problem if they showed consistency.
 
RR 6.5. Watch it climb to 9+. Pakistan style chase.

Did Chishty just say that Babar is a very good fielder?
 
A classic example of how to screw up the middle overs.

Asad shafiq is don bradman level in front of faisal iqbal.
 
Pete Rose said:
is it me or the standard of ground fielding (not just catching) is improving as the tournament goes on
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The ground while not soft must feel like a pillow compared to what most of these guys usually play on, they are probably more confident in throwing themselves around
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
The ground while not soft must feel like a pillow compared to what most of these guys usually play on, they are probably more confident in throwing themselves around
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Dunno about that, they seem willing to risk a serious injury by stopping it with their feet quite a few times rather than diving. Laziness.
 
See what I mean regarding the fielding... that shot by Shafiq could have been saved easily had the fielder dived but he opted to try and stop it with his foot and missed it. Typical.
 
shafiq is good of overpitched stuff from pacers , struggles to find gap on good length stuff from pacers.
 
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