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So, Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan were not the problem in our T20I side?

mominsaigol said:
Who cares? YK has 7 more hundreds then misbah and a 1000 more wins lol.

Ponting wasn't the highest avg batsmen in his era either yet everyone acknowledges him as either the greatest, 2nd Greatest or 3rd greatest odi batsmen in his era depending on where you perceive Sachin and Lara.

Misbah is the definition of a stat padder.
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Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"
 
daytrader said:
Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"
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Sarcasm ki samaj nahi hai?
 
daytrader said:
Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"
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Team man? So mohali was a team incident? And sa 2013 odi series was a team contribution?
 
Turn your mobile or laptop up down or flip it , whatever YK was never a top ODI Batsman . Anyone who still thinks of him as top tier needs to reconsider his cricket knowledge
 
Kianig89 said:
Turn your mobile or laptop up down or flip it , whatever YK was never a top ODI Batsman . Anyone who still thinks of him as top tier needs to reconsider his cricket knowledge
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No one claims YK is a top tier odi batsmen.

I literally said he's avg.

It's just you guys have tha audacity to put people like Agha, Rizwan and many others > him lol.
 
gazza619 said:
I appreciate you have not been in touch with the posts on this forum. Your buddy @Rana made a bizarre claim that YK was a proper ODI batter.
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No, I'm always aware of everything and anything.

You guys claimed agha, Rizwan and Babar are better odi batters then YK lol.

Babar being > YK i don't mind though. I agree Babar is better in his prime but not rn lol, not at his current self even with that Sri lankan century.

Similarly I don't mind people claiming fakhar is > YK.

But Misbah? Agha? Rizwan? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
 
mominsaigol said:
No, I'm always aware of everything and anything.

You guys claimed agha, Rizwan and Babar are better odi batters then YK lol.

Babar being > YK i don't mind though. I agree Babar is better in his prime but not rn lol, not at his current self even with that Sri lankan century.

Similarly I don't mind people claiming fakhar is > YK.

But Misbah? Agha? Rizwan? 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Misbah & Rizwan are better white ball batters than YK. Why is this so hard to understand?
 
gazza619 said:
Misbah & Rizwan are better white ball batters than YK. Why is this so hard to understand?
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They are not. Not even close. You guys are genuinely delusional if you actually believe that.

Babar in his prime from 2016-2021 is though. I have no issues with putting babar and fakhar > YK.
 
mominsaigol said:
They are not. Not even close. You guys are genuinely delusional if you actually believe that.

Babar in his prime from 2016-2021 is though. I have no issues with putting babar and fakhar > YK.
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Acha top tier poster. How is YK a better white ball batter than Rizwan & Misbah? Do u mind explaining?
 
Rana said:
Bro the first point; “there are 3 teams in KPK that will bang Pakistan”
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He wants me to explain YK > Rizwan but how am I suppose to explain that to him? Like genuinely how? How do you explain to someone that a guy who use to freqently play clutch knocks and contribute wins against arch rivals india back in the day is supposedly worse then players who can't score against 1st string for the life of em.
 
gazza619 said:
I am a firm believer in stats. YK stats are pretty poor in white ball.

What other PHD science are you planning to apply here?
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Okay Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. Rizwan has better stats. Ponting only has more centuries but apprantely that metric doesnt matter for you guys since YK has more centuries in odi then Misbah and Rizwan combined.
 
gazza619 said:
I am a firm believer in stats. YK stats are pretty poor in white ball.
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Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.
 
daytrader said:
He was still averaging 12 runs higher than YK prior to 2012. Misbah's performances didn't differ greatly prior to or after 2012.
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I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

The only reason Misbah’s average surpasses YK’s is because he was a selfish stat padder. He mentored Babar and Rizwan and we now have to suffer with the same lack of intent from them both. Coincidence? I don't think so, especially when you consider how Babar was on the ascendency under Mickey Arthur's tenure as Head Coach.

YK was a far superior white ball asset for two clear reasons. First, he produced multiple innings that eclipsed Misbah’s best ODI knock. Second, his captaincy was pivotal in Pakistan’s sole WT20 triumph, where he averaged above 50 with a strike rate of 140, on par with Afridi. To put that into perspective, only KP, AB de Villiers, Gayle, and Dilshan boasted higher strike rates.

Misbah’s mediocrity was plain to see. He never managed an ODI century, choked against Joginder Sharma of all bowlers in the 2007 WT20 Final, and delivered one of the most dreadful ODI innings ever witnessed in the 2011 World Cup semi‑final.

It’s clear I’m not alone in holding this perspective on this comparison:

Mamoon said:
Misbah was nowhere near Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis in any format.
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mominsaigol said:
Okay Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. Rizwan has better stats. Ponting only has more centuries but apprantely that metric doesnt matter for you guys since YK has more centuries in odi then Misbah and Rizwan combined.
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Hahahaha. As always you like to divert the topic

Mr genius, can you please explain how is YK a better ODI batter than Riz & Misbah,
 
topspin said:
I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.
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Bhai Misbah was Steve Waugh for handling a genuine badass like Saeed Ajmal. Only he could handle Pakistan’s Shane Warne
 
Rana said:
Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.
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Kardi na topi baazi tu ne.
 
gazza619 said:
Hahahaha. As always you like to divert the topic

Mr genius, can you please explain how is YK a better ODI batter than Riz & Misbah,
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Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.
 
mominsaigol said:
Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.
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Did he actually say that?
 
topspin said:
Did he actually say that?
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He said I'm a firm believer of stats and Idc about YK having more odi centuries then Rizwan and Misbah combined.

I said okay I'm a firm believer of stats, Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. He has a higher avg, Higher SR and idc about no of centuries.

Unfortunately @gazza619 is undergoing a software update.
 
BouncerGuy said:
keep crying for babar when your favorite players have performance even worse than him... WHat can I do here... You guys can Keep doing bhangra...

I will pass your illogical and biased posts.
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With all due respect, if you're going to be a mod then try to be impartial and hold yourself to a higher standard. If you can't handle any criticism towards Babar, who is obviously your favourite, then it's best to stick to modding rather than posting.
 
mominsaigol said:
He said I'm a firm believer of stats and Idc about YK having more odi centuries then Rizwan and Misbah combined.

I said okay I'm a firm believer of stats, Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. He has a higher avg, Higher SR and idc about no of centuries.

Unfortunately @gazza619 is undergoing a software update.
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I'm not sure if you watched the tri-series but this same individual also thought Babar should've been awarded Man of the Series.
 
topspin said:
Ah, it all adds up now. Your backing of RizBar all stems from Misbah, who paired them as T20 openers until Pakistan cricket finally woke up and realised this was another flop idea of his. The link between Misbah devotees and RizBar cheerleaders is basically another fine example of their love affair with mediocrity and your posts make that crystal clear. And yet, Misbah fans like yourself trying to belittle Younis Khan? The irony is staggering.



The same Misbah with zero ODI centuries. Impossible to fill those shoes. 🤡
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Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama 🤣 🤣
 
gazza619 said:
Top tier posters discussing top tier topi bazi. One loves YK’s ODI batting, the other is a fan of Agha’s T20 intentions
👏
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I know you want to run but I'm going to ask you once again:

topspin said:
You’re not going to run away or divert this elsewhere. We’re talking about Babar and this thread is about Babar.

I'll let you redeem yourself.

Do you take back or stand by the statement you made below?
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Was Babar "man of series" in the recently concluded tri-series?
 
topspin said:
With all due respect, if you're going to be a mod then try to be impartial and hold yourself to a higher standard. If you can't handle any criticism towards Babar, who is obviously your favourite, then it's best to stick to modding rather than posting.
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It is not about babar... It is about the biasnes and hypocrisy
 
Babar Azam is not a match winner in high scoring T20 games. He just does not have that ability.

He is not someone who will help you chase down 180 plus in T20Is. I am not talking of the odd game.

In modest chases he sure can play his part.
 
mominsaigol said:
Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.
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Bro you diverted the topic because Gazza couldn’t handle his own nonsense when shoved right back at him.

Samjha karo yaar!
 
Rana said:
Bro you diverted the topic because Gazza couldn’t handle his own nonsense when shoved right back at him.

Samjha karo yaar!
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I'm not diverting the topic bro. Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. 100%. He has better stats and no of centuries dont matter.

Forget the fact that he has played iconic knocks like the 2003 final, or has played knocks that rizzu cant dream of.

Forget that fact that his batting has led to the greatest era of domination in cricket.

Bhul jao sab ko. Stats Check ki hain is boi kei? :rizthumbsup
 
BouncerGuy said:
Prove otherwise.... 133 strike rate is improving thing.... Okkkkkk....

Keep crying in the name of babar though
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Jee sir aap hi theek keh rahe hain.

Koi farq nahi parra.

You are a firm believer in stats like Choudhry Gazza sab (y)
 
daytrader said:
Iconic words. You say this to everyone. In fact all your posts are repetitive. Do you have a cheat sheet you copy paste from?
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That’s exactly what you RizBar/Misbah cheerleaders do once your false claims get exposed. You’ve already proven my point by dodging the response I gave you earlier. So, will you finally muster the courage to address this?

topspin said:
I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

The only reason Misbah’s average surpasses YK’s is because he was a selfish stat padder. He mentored Babar and Rizwan and we now have to suffer with the same lack of intent from them both. Coincidence? I don't think so, especially when you consider how Babar was on the ascendency under Mickey Arthur's tenure as Head Coach.

YK was a far superior white ball asset for two clear reasons. First, he produced multiple innings that eclipsed Misbah’s best ODI knock. Second, his captaincy was pivotal in Pakistan’s sole WT20 triumph, where he averaged above 50 with a strike rate of 140, on par with Afridi. To put that into perspective, only KP, AB de Villiers, Gayle, and Dilshan boasted higher strike rates.

Misbah’s mediocrity was plain to see. He never managed an ODI century, choked against Joginder Sharma of all bowlers in the 2007 WT20 Final, and delivered one of the most dreadful ODI innings ever witnessed in the 2011 World Cup semi‑final.

It’s clear I’m not alone in holding this perspective on this comparison:
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Well you have to hand it to Babar lovers.

Want him to be Man of Series vs Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka despite scoring 2 ducks and run a ball 30 and the odd 50.

Since that wasn't adding up, throw in a few catches he took against B and C class teams and still try to make him Man of the Series.

I honestly would be ashamed of this if I was Babar.
 
Opener saim and farhan are ok problem is middle order babar salman usman khan if both Openers fail middle order does not have game awareness to post a good total problem we had with rizbab opening they were consuming to many balls in powerplay to get going what has happened now is the problem has moved to middle overs with babar and salman selectors have fixed nothing they have moved the problem from opening to middle overs
 
Rana said:
Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.
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Hahaha

Yiung Sir, you run each time...

Until you reach maturity and realise

18@120
23@111 is not good enough, not much to say really.

Anyone that wobbles on logic or has fantasies around intent merchants, hitters, blue moon wonders etc has no reason to talk tbh.

Carry on though, keep barking...
 
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