So, Babar Azam and Mohammad Rizwan were not the problem in our T20I side?

[BouncerGuy]

WATCH WHAT YOU ARE WRITING NOW

 

[daytrader]

Who cares? YK has 7 more hundreds then misbah and a 1000 more wins lol.

Ponting wasn't the highest avg batsmen in his era either yet everyone acknowledges him as either the greatest, 2nd Greatest or 3rd greatest odi batsmen in his era depending on where you perceive Sachin and Lara.

Misbah is the definition of a stat padder.

Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"

 

[mominsaigol]

Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"

Sarcasm ki samaj nahi hai?

 

[mominsaigol]

Which 1000 more wins?

As for stat padding, he was a team man and didn't care much for useless milestones. If he really cared about about scoring a century, he could've batted himself at 3, the position YK used to cry about.

Anyways Misbah's lack of centuries is one stat that you and the whole gang always criticize. Why are you guys so fixated on this? On the flip side you guys are always belittling stats when it comes to Riz/Bar. So do stats matter or not? Pick a side and don't give a top tier answer like "well the context matters"

Team man? So mohali was a team incident? And sa 2013 odi series was a team contribution?

 

[Kianig89]

Turn your mobile or laptop up down or flip it , whatever YK was never a top ODI Batsman . Anyone who still thinks of him as top tier needs to reconsider his cricket knowledge

 

[mominsaigol]

Turn your mobile or laptop up down or flip it , whatever YK was never a top ODI Batsman . Anyone who still thinks of him as top tier needs to reconsider his cricket knowledge

No one claims YK is a top tier odi batsmen.

I literally said he's avg.

It's just you guys have tha audacity to put people like Agha, Rizwan and many others > him lol.

 

[gazza619]

No one claims YK is a top tier odi batsmen.

I literally said he's avg.

I appreciate you have not been in touch with the posts on this forum. Your buddy @Rana made a bizarre claim that YK was a proper ODI batter.

 

[mominsaigol]

I appreciate you have not been in touch with the posts on this forum. Your buddy @Rana made a bizarre claim that YK was a proper ODI batter.

No, I'm always aware of everything and anything.

You guys claimed agha, Rizwan and Babar are better odi batters then YK lol.

Babar being > YK i don't mind though. I agree Babar is better in his prime but not rn lol, not at his current self even with that Sri lankan century.

Similarly I don't mind people claiming fakhar is > YK.

But Misbah? Agha? Rizwan?

 

[gazza619]

No, I'm always aware of everything and anything.

You guys claimed agha, Rizwan and Babar are better odi batters then YK lol.

Babar being > YK i don't mind though. I agree Babar is better in his prime but not rn lol, not at his current self even with that Sri lankan century.

Similarly I don't mind people claiming fakhar is > YK.

But Misbah? Agha? Rizwan?

Misbah & Rizwan are better white ball batters than YK. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[mominsaigol]

Misbah & Rizwan are better white ball batters than YK. Why is this so hard to understand?

They are not. Not even close. You guys are genuinely delusional if you actually believe that.

Babar in his prime from 2016-2021 is though. I have no issues with putting babar and fakhar > YK.

 

[Rana]

Misbah & Rizwan are better white ball batters than YK. Why is this so hard to understand?

Yeah and pigs can also fly

 

[gazza619]

They are not. Not even close. You guys are genuinely delusional if you actually believe that.

Babar in his prime from 2016-2021 is though. I have no issues with putting babar and fakhar > YK.

Acha top tier poster. How is YK a better white ball batter than Rizwan & Misbah? Do u mind explaining?

 

[gazza619]

Yeah and pigs can also fly

Didnt know you could fly

 

[Rana]

Didnt know you could fly

You should have known when you saw yourself flying with Rizwan

 

[mominsaigol]

Acha top tier poster. How is YK a better white ball batter than Rizwan & Misbah? Do u mind explaining?

I'd like you to make your first point. I'll counter each amd every point

 

[Rana]

I'd like you to make your first point. I'll counter each amd every point

Bro the first point; “there are 3 teams in KPK that will bang Pakistan”

 

[gazza619]

I'd like you to make your first point. I'll counter each amd every point

I am a firm believer in stats. YK stats are pretty poor in white ball.

What other PHD science are you planning to apply here?

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro the first point; “there are 3 teams in KPK that will bang Pakistan”

He wants me to explain YK > Rizwan but how am I suppose to explain that to him? Like genuinely how? How do you explain to someone that a guy who use to freqently play clutch knocks and contribute wins against arch rivals india back in the day is supposedly worse then players who can't score against 1st string for the life of em.

 

[mominsaigol]

I am a firm believer in stats. YK stats are pretty poor in white ball.

What other PHD science are you planning to apply here?

Okay Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. Rizwan has better stats. Ponting only has more centuries but apprantely that metric doesnt matter for you guys since YK has more centuries in odi then Misbah and Rizwan combined.

 

[BouncerGuy]

NO PERSONAL REMARKS.

 

[daytrader]

Team man? So mohali was a team incident? And sa 2013 odi series was a team contribution?

YK was a bigger culprit in Mohali. Plus he also has the infamous Ireland loss in a WC on his resume

 

[Rana]

I am a firm believer in stats. YK stats are pretty poor in white ball.

Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.

 

[topspin]

He was still averaging 12 runs higher than YK prior to 2012. Misbah's performances didn't differ greatly prior to or after 2012.

I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

The only reason Misbah’s average surpasses YK’s is because he was a selfish stat padder. He mentored Babar and Rizwan and we now have to suffer with the same lack of intent from them both. Coincidence? I don't think so, especially when you consider how Babar was on the ascendency under Mickey Arthur's tenure as Head Coach.

YK was a far superior white ball asset for two clear reasons. First, he produced multiple innings that eclipsed Misbah’s best ODI knock. Second, his captaincy was pivotal in Pakistan’s sole WT20 triumph, where he averaged above 50 with a strike rate of 140, on par with Afridi. To put that into perspective, only KP, AB de Villiers, Gayle, and Dilshan boasted higher strike rates.

Misbah’s mediocrity was plain to see. He never managed an ODI century, choked against Joginder Sharma of all bowlers in the 2007 WT20 Final, and delivered one of the most dreadful ODI innings ever witnessed in the 2011 World Cup semi‑final.

It’s clear I’m not alone in holding this perspective on this comparison:

Misbah was nowhere near Inzamam, Yousuf and Younis in any format.

 

[gazza619]

Okay Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. Rizwan has better stats. Ponting only has more centuries but apprantely that metric doesnt matter for you guys since YK has more centuries in odi then Misbah and Rizwan combined.

Hahahaha. As always you like to divert the topic

Mr genius, can you please explain how is YK a better ODI batter than Riz & Misbah,

 

[Rana]

I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Bhai Misbah was Steve Waugh for handling a genuine badass like Saeed Ajmal. Only he could handle Pakistan’s Shane Warne

 

[gazza619]

Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.

Kardi na topi baazi tu ne.

 

[mominsaigol]

Hahahaha. As always you like to divert the topic

Mr genius, can you please explain how is YK a better ODI batter than Riz & Misbah,

Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.

 

[topspin]

Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.

Did he actually say that?

 

[mominsaigol]

Did he actually say that?

He said I'm a firm believer of stats and Idc about YK having more odi centuries then Rizwan and Misbah combined.

I said okay I'm a firm believer of stats, Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. He has a higher avg, Higher SR and idc about no of centuries.

Unfortunately @gazza619 is undergoing a software update.

 

[topspin]

keep crying for babar when your favorite players have performance even worse than him... WHat can I do here... You guys can Keep doing bhangra...

I will pass your illogical and biased posts.

With all due respect, if you're going to be a mod then try to be impartial and hold yourself to a higher standard. If you can't handle any criticism towards Babar, who is obviously your favourite, then it's best to stick to modding rather than posting.

 

[topspin]

He said I'm a firm believer of stats and Idc about YK having more odi centuries then Rizwan and Misbah combined.

I said okay I'm a firm believer of stats, Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. He has a higher avg, Higher SR and idc about no of centuries.

Unfortunately @gazza619 is undergoing a software update.

I'm not sure if you watched the tri-series but this same individual also thought Babar should've been awarded Man of the Series.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm not sure if you watched the tri-series but this same individual also thought Babar should've been awarded Man of the Series.

I watched it. @gazza619 might as well award him as our next prime minister? What do you say eh Gazza?

Maybe Babar can achieve his dream of installing water pipes in all our gardens

 

[Raja Ishtiaq]

Ah, it all adds up now. Your backing of RizBar all stems from Misbah, who paired them as T20 openers until Pakistan cricket finally woke up and realised this was another flop idea of his. The link between Misbah devotees and RizBar cheerleaders is basically another fine example of their love affair with mediocrity and your posts make that crystal clear. And yet, Misbah fans like yourself trying to belittle Younis Khan? The irony is staggering.



The same Misbah with zero ODI centuries. Impossible to fill those shoes.

Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama

 

[mominsaigol]

Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama

You literally believe Misbah is > YK even in test cricket lol?

 

[topspin]

Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama

Do you actually think Misbah's career overall surpasses YK?

 

[topspin]

Top tier posters discussing top tier topi bazi. One loves YK’s ODI batting, the other is a fan of Agha’s T20 intentions

I know you want to run but I'm going to ask you once again:

You’re not going to run away or divert this elsewhere. We’re talking about Babar and this thread is about Babar.

I'll let you redeem yourself.

Do you take back or stand by the statement you made below?

Was Babar "man of series" in the recently concluded tri-series?

 

[BouncerGuy]

With all due respect, if you're going to be a mod then try to be impartial and hold yourself to a higher standard. If you can't handle any criticism towards Babar, who is obviously your favourite, then it's best to stick to modding rather than posting.

It is not about babar... It is about the biasnes and hypocrisy

 

[AZulfi]

Babar Azam is not a match winner in high scoring T20 games. He just does not have that ability.

He is not someone who will help you chase down 180 plus in T20Is. I am not talking of the odd game.

In modest chases he sure can play his part.

 

[Rana]

Divert the topic? How did i divert the topic? Stats are all that matters and no of centuries dont mean Jack? You're a firm believer of stats no?

Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. End of story? What have I said anything crazy? I mean rizwan > YK as well no?

@Rana @topspin have I said anything wrong? I'm a firm believer of stats.

Bro you diverted the topic because Gazza couldn’t handle his own nonsense when shoved right back at him.

Samjha karo yaar!

 

[Rana]

Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama

Says the guy who believes Rizwan is a better T20 batter than Sahibzada Farhan

 

[mominsaigol]

Bro you diverted the topic because Gazza couldn’t handle his own nonsense when shoved right back at him.

Samjha karo yaar!

I'm not diverting the topic bro. Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. 100%. He has better stats and no of centuries dont matter.

Forget the fact that he has played iconic knocks like the 2003 final, or has played knocks that rizzu cant dream of.

Forget that fact that his batting has led to the greatest era of domination in cricket.

Bhul jao sab ko. Stats Check ki hain is boi kei?

 

[Rana]

Kardi na topi baazi tu ne.

You are a firm believer of stats….

Stats suggest you and your mates have said the things I have stated above. They are facts according to them.

Why do you become Shakti Kapoor when the tables turn right back at you?

 

[Rana]

I'm not diverting the topic bro. Rizwan > Ricky Ponting. 100%. He has better stats and no of centuries dont matter.

Firm believer of stats bro. You are right

Just like @BouncerGuy believes there has been no change in results after removing Babar and Rizwan as openers.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Firm believer of stats bro. You are right

Just like @BouncerGuy believes there has been no change in results after removing Babar and Rizwan as openers.

Prove otherwise.... 133 strike rate is improving thing.... Okkkkkk....

Keep crying in the name of babar though

 

[Rana]

Prove otherwise.... 133 strike rate is improving thing.... Okkkkkk....

Keep crying in the name of babar though

Jee sir aap hi theek keh rahe hain.

Koi farq nahi parra.

You are a firm believer in stats like Choudhry Gazza sab

 

[gazza619]

Challo now YK was a better batsman than Misbah. Ek aur naya drama

Top tier topi baazi hai yeh

 

[gazza619]

Prove otherwise.... 133 strike rate is improving thing.... Okkkkkk....

Keep crying in the name of babar though

YK was a proper ODI batter and Agha is a T20 guru for having the right intentions.

These are the claims of top tier posters @Rana and @topspin. Also approved by wannabe PHD @mominsaigol

 

[daytrader]

I know you want to run

Iconic words. You say this to everyone. In fact all your posts are repetitive. Do you have a cheat sheet you copy paste from?

 

[Rana]

YK was a proper ODI batter and Agha is a T20 guru for having the right intentions.

These are the claims of top tier posters @Rana and @topspin. Also approved by wannabe PHD @mominsaigol

Nahi sir sab se aqalmand tou Aap hain….

Firm believer of stats

 

[topspin]

Iconic words. You say this to everyone. In fact all your posts are repetitive. Do you have a cheat sheet you copy paste from?

That’s exactly what you RizBar/Misbah cheerleaders do once your false claims get exposed. You’ve already proven my point by dodging the response I gave you earlier. So, will you finally muster the courage to address this?

I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

The only reason Misbah’s average surpasses YK’s is because he was a selfish stat padder. He mentored Babar and Rizwan and we now have to suffer with the same lack of intent from them both. Coincidence? I don't think so, especially when you consider how Babar was on the ascendency under Mickey Arthur's tenure as Head Coach.

YK was a far superior white ball asset for two clear reasons. First, he produced multiple innings that eclipsed Misbah’s best ODI knock. Second, his captaincy was pivotal in Pakistan’s sole WT20 triumph, where he averaged above 50 with a strike rate of 140, on par with Afridi. To put that into perspective, only KP, AB de Villiers, Gayle, and Dilshan boasted higher strike rates.

Misbah’s mediocrity was plain to see. He never managed an ODI century, choked against Joginder Sharma of all bowlers in the 2007 WT20 Final, and delivered one of the most dreadful ODI innings ever witnessed in the 2011 World Cup semi‑final.

It’s clear I’m not alone in holding this perspective on this comparison:

 

[Dr_Bassim]

Well you have to hand it to Babar lovers.

Want him to be Man of Series vs Zimbabwe and Sri Lanka despite scoring 2 ducks and run a ball 30 and the odd 50.

Since that wasn't adding up, throw in a few catches he took against B and C class teams and still try to make him Man of the Series.

I honestly would be ashamed of this if I was Babar.

 

[zahid01]

Opener saim and farhan are ok problem is middle order babar salman usman khan if both Openers fail middle order does not have game awareness to post a good total problem we had with rizbab opening they were consuming to many balls in powerplay to get going what has happened now is the problem has moved to middle overs with babar and salman selectors have fixed nothing they have moved the problem from opening to middle overs

 

[GOSH11]

Yes, and @Muhammad Saad was also a firm believer that Ubaid Shah is better than Harmison, and now he also believes Babar and Rizwan were not the issue in the T20 team.


@GOSH11 has demonstrated a firm belief in dreams and fantasies to back guns claim that Babar and Rizwan will be better in the middle order than Agha and Usman Khan…

@daytrader has some of the strongest beliefs, my man didn’t think twice to claim Babar can hit 6x4 in a super over if it comes to it.

Hahaha

Yiung Sir, you run each time...

Until you reach maturity and realise

18@120
23@111 is not good enough, not much to say really.

Anyone that wobbles on logic or has fantasies around intent merchants, hitters, blue moon wonders etc has no reason to talk tbh.

Carry on though

 

[daytrader]

I won’t take lessons from anyone who imagines Misbah was a master man‑manager simply because he could “handle Saeed Ajmal.” Your delusion is further exposed when you suggest sending Babar into a super over on the assumption he could strike all six deliveries for fours.

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

The only reason Misbah’s average surpasses YK’s is because he was a selfish stat padder. He mentored Babar and Rizwan and we now have to suffer with the same lack of intent from them both. Coincidence? I don't think so, especially when you consider how Babar was on the ascendency under Mickey Arthur's tenure as Head Coach.

YK was a far superior white ball asset for two clear reasons. First, he produced multiple innings that eclipsed Misbah’s best ODI knock. Second, his captaincy was pivotal in Pakistan’s sole WT20 triumph, where he averaged above 50 with a strike rate of 140, on par with Afridi. To put that into perspective, only KP, AB de Villiers, Gayle, and Dilshan boasted higher strike rates.

Misbah’s mediocrity was plain to see. He never managed an ODI century, choked against Joginder Sharma of all bowlers in the 2007 WT20 Final, and delivered one of the most dreadful ODI innings ever witnessed in the 2011 World Cup semi‑final.

It’s clear I’m not alone in holding this perspective on this comparison:

Acha you won't take lessons from me but are quoting Mamoon and his opinions to get backing. Bhai itni bhi validation ki kya zaroorat hai ke jis ko dushman mana ussi se sahara le rhy ho?

See that's the difference between a top tier poster like you and and a lurker like me. I'm not influenced by other posters opinions no matter what their rep. Alhamdulillah Allah SWT has given us all a brain so it's meant to be used. Come to onions on your own rather than always trying to get backing and validation from other posters. Kabhi @Rana toh Kabhi @Mamoon. Think for yourself dude, you're a mathematician! No point of debating with you if you can't keep up an argument without relying on others.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Is Salman in t20s is not the problem then people should just keep quiet for other as well.. Learn to say truth and accept truth..

Salman selfishly pushed both fakhar and Hasan nawaz down for his own batting and now we can all see where they both stand... Hasan is literally out of squad atm.

 

[topspin]

Acha you won't take lessons from me but are quoting Mamoon and his opinions to get backing. Bhai itni bhi validation ki kya zaroorat hai ke jis ko dushman mana ussi se sahara le rhy ho?

See that's the difference between a top tier poster like you and and a lurker like me. I'm not influenced by other posters opinions no matter what their rep. Alhamdulillah Allah SWT has given us all a brain so it's meant to be used. Come to onions on your own rather than always trying to get backing and validation from other posters. Kabhi @Rana toh Kabhi @Mamoon. Think for yourself dude, you're a mathematician! No point of debating with you if you can't keep up an argument without relying on others.

The fact that you are unable to respond to any of my own cricketing opinions and start diverting the discussion to other posters tells us who is capable and who is incapable of using their brain.

In future, don't invoke Allah (SWT)'s name if you're going to be dishonest and disingenuous. Secondly, if I were you, I would avoid making remarks about brainpower or anything remotely related to intellectual capacity - that’s the kind of thing that can easily backfire on you

 

[shamaan]

Maaz Sadaqat should bat at 3 vs sri lanka

 

[TheSultan]

They were not just the problem in our side. It seems they’re the problem in every side they play for

 

[topspin]

Misbah was around throughout the 2000s just like YK, yet he never managed to secure a permanent spot because he simply wasn’t up to the mark. If he was genuinely better than YK, why was he unable to displace him or for that matter, any other established batter in the side?

@daytrader

As promised, this is a prime example of you running away when you're faced with facts/difficult questions and have nothing left to say.

 

[Rana]

Now all of Australia realises they are just the problem

 

[topspin]

Now all of Australia realises they are just the problem

Remember Ian Chappell when he blasted Misbah for his captaincy during the 15/16 tour. I wonder what he would have to say about these frauds.

 

[BouncerGuy]

I wonder what he would have to say about these frauds.

He would have said that you are thinking about Farhan as well... Who is failing on slow tracks in BPL.

 

[Rana]

He would have said that you are thinking about Farhan as well... Who is failing on slow tracks in BPL.

We don’t have guys like you who claim Farhan would handle McGrath, Lee and Gillespie

 

[KingOfPakBreakfast]

Babar and Rizwan aren’t the problem in our T20 side. However, they’re clearly not the solution either.

They were only a temporary solution at a point in time (2021) when he had the batting order to accommodate them (w/ late stage Hafeez, Malik and Asif Ali) and a bowling line up at the height of it’s confidence and free of injury. That’s ancient history now.

The opening position that they ideally bat in, is now fully taken over by Saim and Farhan, w/ few clamouring for RizBabar as openers. We also have younger opening alternatives that are the way forward (Maaz plus Shamyl and Saad Baig will probably represent the Shaheens soon). Rizwan, because of his lack of flexibility in playing anywhere but opener, doesn’t make the squad anyway.

Even no.3 is currently not a huge issue, as we have Fakhar/Usman and maybe Maaz who could cover those roles.

However, the problem w/ our T20 side is the lack of impactful middle order bats from positions 4-6. We have few options, and the ones we do, do not get enough reps at a high level in franchise cricket (thanks to our Indian friends). Which means that we’ve had to develop middle order batters in international games (see Hasan Nawaz), rather than using ready made options. The captain Agha, whilst a good leader, is also not quick enough.

And everytime one of these middle order options inevitably fail, we try to force Babar into no.3 (based on his past success at opener) and move other viable no.3 options into the middle order (see Fakhar/Usman). Babar at no.3 doesn’t work and the actual no.3 options have to readjust their games playing in the middle order.

Ideally the Babar existential debate would be a closed case if Mohammad Haris had taken the many chances given to him in the Asia Cup. But not only did he fail, he also didn’t do anything that offered hope for the future. In 18 innings since his Bangla century, he’s crossed 30 twice (vs Bangla and Oman).

Thus, the problem for the T20 side isn’t going to be fixed in the short term, especially this WC.

The selectors really need to plan properly for the 2028 T20 WC, and that hopefully means asking PSL franchises to groom aggressive Pakistani middle order options in these next two seasons.

 

[BouncerGuy]

We don’t have guys like you who claim Farhan would handle McGrath, Lee and Gillespie

Yeah, but you are still doing bhangra for his 2 sixes against Bumrah.

 

[Kianig89]

So Babar is dropped/rested from SL series let's hope the incoming no.3 smacks some performances to close Babars case.

 

[Rana]

So Babar is dropped/rested from SL series let's hope the incoming no.3 smacks some performances to close Babars case.

Why are you pretending? You want the guy coming in at 3 or openers to fail miserably. Admit it! Be honest! It will save you the humiliation you suffer as a result. Ne up front about your intentions like you claimed Babar’s ability v McGrath

 

[Kianig89]

Why are you pretending? You want the guy coming in at 3 or openers to fail miserably. Admit it! Be honest! It will save you the humiliation you suffer as a result. Ne up front about your intentions like you claimed Babar’s ability v McGrath

إِنَّمَا الْأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّاتِ
I sincerely want Babar' replacement to perform and grab his position. Because Babar and Agha at 3 and 4 not good for team combination

 

[Rana]

إِنَّمَا الْأَعْمَالُ بِالنِّيَّاتِ
I sincerely want Babar' replacement to perform and grab his position. Because Babar and Agha at 3 and 4 not good for team combination

Fair enough. If that’s what you believe. Who am I to question it.

Don’t be caught slipping now.

 

[topspin]

He would have said that you are thinking about Farhan as well... Who is failing on slow tracks in BPL.

If you had a scooby doo about what I make of Farhan, you wouldn't be saying such drivel.

In T20s, Sahibzada Farhan is nowhere near the finished article but he doesn't need to be because he's so far ahead of Babar, who is garbage.

You and your ilk think far more highly of Babar than what I do of Farhan.

Are we seriously going to get touchy about someone bringing up what Ian Chappell had to say about Misbah's captaincy? I guess now we know where your pro-Babar bias really stems from. Hardly surprising. Most Misbah fans are blind RizBar cheerleaders and you happen to be another one of them - that's evident by the fact that you tried to compare Misbah to one of the sporting GOATs, Novak Djokovic

 

[TheSultan]

Remember Ian Chappell when he blasted Misbah for his captaincy during the 15/16 tour. I wonder what he would have to say about these frauds.

Ian Chappell was the first non pakistani commentator to say it as it was.

I remember the 2016 England tour where Nasser / athers etc were falling over themselves to praise Misbah. I get that both Nasser and Athers are good guys and they have been trying to undo a lot of the English bias from the 80s and 90s and build bridges etc. However, a critical part of your job is to say it as it is too.

I really miss Ian Chappell’s forthright honesty.

 

[topspin]

Ian Chappell was the first non pakistani commentator to say it as it was.

I remember the 2016 England tour where Nasser / athers etc were falling over themselves to praise Misbah. I get that both Nasser and Athers are good guys and they have been trying to undo a lot of the English bias from the 80s and 90s and build bridges etc. However, a critical part of your job is to say it as it is too.

I really miss Ian Chappell’s forthright honesty.

Same here. He and Simon Doull were much needed alternate voices to balance the diplomatic, overly glowing commentary.

The commies who glaze over Babar are the same ones who used to glaze over Asad Shafiq because of "how good he looked in the nets". It doesn’t matter what you show in the nets if you fold under even the slightest pressure in contests like these, as they’ve consistently done over the past 10 years or so.

 

[Sachin fan]

Yeah, but you are still doing bhangra for his 2 sixes against Bumrah.

I think people underestimate how rare is for any batsmen to hit Burmah for a 6 in t20s, it is extremely rare even in IPL.

In international t20s bumrah has only conceded 45 sixes in 10 years, that's 4.5 six per year. It's rare for a batsman to even get 2 sixes against him per year(not series, not tournament but entire YEAR)

This year Farhan alone hit him for 3 6s in a single tournament in just 2 matches.

@Rana

 

[daytrader]

@daytrader

As promised, this is a prime example of you running away when you're faced with facts/difficult questions and have nothing left to say.

You're forcing a response to some things that were obvious throughout the 2000's. There were a number of factors at play:

1. Inzimam was at the helm of things and used religion as way to unify the team and take over control. He was threatened by an educated urbane man who could challenge his authority.

2. Misbah did not have media or political connections to enforce his case.

3. Misbah was already past 30 and we had a team full of young talented all rounders that were making up most of the playing XI.

4. Everyone in Pakistan cricket circle had faith in our middle order then and to such an extent that even today we have posters (ahem ahem you know who) romanticizing that it was our strongest middle order ever. Obviously I'm talking about Inzi, MoYo and YK but since you're an oblivious case, I've spelt it out for you. This faith crashed hard in the 2007 WC for of course Misbah to be recalled after.

5. We have obvious flaws in our domestic cricket where the system fails consistent high achievers. By 2003, Misbah had a 3 year Quaid-e-Azam trophy record of 2756 runs at 83.5. He topped the charts for many years yet wasn't given his just dues. Same thing happened with Asim Kamal back then and Fawad Alam more recently.

6. During the era of our greatest middle order ever - we've had 2 captains take a stance to include Misbah in the team.
a) Your boy Younis Khan threw a huge tantrum to include Misbah for the 2006 Champions trophy. We didn't and the results weren't favourable.
b) Shoaib Malik for the inaugural 2007 T20 WC, literally forced the selectors to drop MoYo for Misbah. So you saying he didn't replace anyone, is already incorrect. When he did eventually replace, he set a legacy in stone.