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South Africa end Day 1 at 123/2 after bowling Pakistan out for 177

SA should remember that they are batting last and they don’t want to expose their brittle middle order to Abbas who will love this pitch.

SA should go for the kill now.
 
shortbread said:
Agree, especially it makes a difference in the statements one makes.

Shan seems to have his feet firmly on the ground and wont be wavered by brief moments of success, good on him.
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He comes from privilege, which means he has options other than cricket. Unlike some of the other cricketers.
 
This would be an innings defeat unless SA implode which they also have a tendency to do so. Otherwise, I have seen no swing and no seam. This pitch only has pace and bounce and that too will probably disappear as the day goes on. SA will make merry here with our toothless bowling attack.
 
Agree with commies, more than seam and swing its the bounce and pace which is causing problem for Pakistani batsmen.

Shan is our best batsman in this series.

Who are other good batsmen against bounce and pace in Pakistan? Babar is good and Haris is injured.

Diamond ground Islamabad is the paciest and bounciest wicket in Pakistan so hopefully they include Abid in next match.
 
Mamoon said:
We deserve this humiliation.
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We need to fast track Saad, Saud and Rizwan. They would do way better than the current hacks we have. On top of that they would also get a feel for the conditions and get the experience.
 
We needed to survive 2 sessions and the attack would have tired for us to take advantage after tea.
Disappointed with Babar today.
Hopefully we can keep the saffers out there for as long as possible. Shan looks like he could bat all day MashaAllah
 
Abdullah said:
We needed to survive 2 sessions and the attack would have tired for us to take advantage after tea.
Disappointed with Babar today.
Hopefully we can keep the saffers out there for as long as possible. Shan looks like he could bat all day MashaAllah
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The ball to Babar bounced less. You dont expect that to happen on 1st day 21st over. He did the right thing to leave that ball imo.
 
If Sarfraz can stay with Shan for a bit.. 200 + should be possible...
 
If I take a nap for an hour, can I reasonably expect saffers to be five down by the time I get up?
 
BreadPakoda said:
SA should remember that they are batting last and they don’t want to expose their brittle middle order to Abbas who will love this pitch.

SA should go for the kill now.
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By doing what? NOT bowling Philander?
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
Agree with commies, more than seam and swing its the bounce and pace which is causing problem for Pakistani batsmen.

Shan is our best batsman in this series.

Who are other good batsmen against bounce and pace in Pakistan? Babar is good and Haris is injured.

Diamond ground Islamabad is the paciest and bounciest wicket in Pakistan so hopefully they include Abid in next match.
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Usman Salahuddin is pretty good at hook and pull too.
 
Seeing the dismissals only technique you needed there was ducking. You could safely leave the ball on length.
 
SarfiBabarHaris said:
The ball to Babar bounced less. You dont expect that to happen on 1st day 21st over. He did the right thing to leave that ball imo.
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Yeah I guess you are right. Even more of a reason to fight it out and get a score. They are batting last hopefully
 
I don't have any faith on Micky. All his action is for camera but at the end he selects same team.
 
There is nothing in thecwicket, SA decision and four seamer attack was solely based on our inability to play short ball and it worked.

We could repeat 47 all out in wanderers next..
 
We just need to add 100 more runs and we should boss this game. Hope Sarfi sticks there with Shan. If needed I want him to take blows on the body. there is no way Saffers will bowl at stumps. Philander might but his pace is no threat to us. Sarfi, please!!!
 
yasir said:
There is nothing in thecwicket, SA decision and four seamer attack was solely based on our inability to play short ball and it worked.

We could repeat 47 all out in wanderers next..
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We're going to see a benign pitch at Wanderers after the fiasco last year, me thinks. But one can always expect pace and bounce in Highveld.
 
Pollock puts Rameez under pressure right after lunch, asking him about Shans background
 
Shandarchowka said:
We just need to add 100 more runs and we should boss this game. Hope Sarfi sticks there with Shan. If needed I want him to take blows on the body. there is no way Saffers will bowl at stumps. Philander might but his pace is no threat to us. Sarfi, please!!!
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Our fast bowlers are for show only. Their bravado lasts for the first session only after which they start trundling harmlessly. South Africa would easily post 300+ here unless they self-destruct. Only a fluke 200 partnership can save us here.
 
Ridiculous by Pakistan... Look like club level batters... Azhar has been sorted for the series by Oliver... Asad looked good but got a beauty... I wonder doesn't Pakistan have better batters in domestic... Shan looks good yet he wasn't in UAE... This is nonsense.. I guess sami Aslam was better say much much better in England in 2016 than Fakhar and imam..what happened to him?? Looking the way they handle I guess only Shan, asad and Babar deserve place among batters in current lineup.. Rest 3spots are vacant for me
 
indianpanacea said:
Ridiculous by Pakistan... Look like club level batters... Azhar has been sorted for the series by Oliver... Asad looked good but got a beauty... I wonder doesn't Pakistan have better batters in domestic... Shan looks good yet he wasn't in UAE... This is nonsense.. I guess sami Aslam was better say much much better in England in 2016 than Fakhar and imam..what happened to him?? Looking the way they handle I guess only Shan, asad and Babar deserve place among batters in current lineup.. Rest 3spots are vacant for me
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Sami Aslam deserves to be dropped. However, he will be back if Fakhar continues to give the opposition flying starts. There is life left in Shehzad as well.
 
Sarfraz to score a 50.

You heard it here first.
 
Make no mistake: This is par score at the moment, 82/5, batting first. You'd be delusional to expect Pakistan top order to post 200 for 5 before the game began.

Anyone's game from hereon. Pakistan get to 200, there is every chance to be competitive.
 
Mamoon said:
Sami Aslam deserves to be dropped. However, he will be back if Fakhar continues to give the opposition flying starts. There is life left in Shehzad as well.
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Sami has his issue, no doubt but in last 10 years Pakistan’s biggest accomplishment was 2-2 in England, Sami was the reason that happened. He showed everybody how to bat in England. That allowed us to get back into the series. He would have been much better here as well in seeing off new ball.

He is not ideal opener but we have very low standards. This series tells you one more thing why Azhar can only open, he can block new ball but playing short pitch is way above his level. He has been horrible with short pitch.m and this is not the first time, last time he was doing exactly that...

Pakistani think tank also works like PP, lot of emotions and hope rather than substance and data....
 
Mamoon... What wrong had sami Aslam done? Played brilliantly in England only to get dropped on placid UAE pitches?? Heard on some chicken issues? This is not the way you inspire confidence in youngsters
 
Mamoon said:
Pakistani players and the 92 World Cup nostalgia.
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Don't know why they keep prattling on about it, an entire 2-3 generations of Pakistani fans have been born since.
 
indianpanacea said:
Mamoon... What wrong had sami Aslam done? Played brilliantly in England only to get dropped on placid UAE pitches?? Heard on some chicken issues? This is not the way you inspire confidence in youngsters
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He was a Pujara type blocker. Pakistani fans probably prefer 'flashier' batsmen.
 
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Fluke partnership is going on @ Mamoon Shan looks to be pick of the batsman which should make Azhar and Shafiq die of the shame they say in Pashtu “ da dwi pa sharam sa “.
 
indianpanacea said:
Mamoon... What wrong had sami Aslam done? Played brilliantly in England only to get dropped on placid UAE pitches?? Heard on some chicken issues? This is not the way you inspire confidence in youngsters
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Check his average, strike rate and number of centuries after 13 tests and you'll see whats wrong with Sami Aslam. Furthermore he looked toothless in Australia. Few posters here make a big deal about his performance in England where all his runs came in on test on a slow, flat Edgbaston wicket. Even the out of form Azhar Ali scored 139 there.
 
On the point of the schedule, we played three T20Is against both Australia and New Zealand. If you reduced them to one each, you could've shifted the Test series earlier and allowed enough space in the schedule to play one more practice match in South Africa.

It's not insignificant that our last two Test series in England came after playing several tour matches before the first Test.

However that being said, this batting unit is so shoddy that it probably wouldn't change the outcome of this series.
 
indianpanacea said:
Mamoon... What wrong had sami Aslam done? Played brilliantly in England only to get dropped on placid UAE pitches?? Heard on some chicken issues? This is not the way you inspire confidence in youngsters
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Didn't score enough runs, looked poor at the crease and sounds bitter in interviews.
 
I guess Pakistan wants it's youngsters to fail.. No Shaan in UAE where Hafeez uncle made century only to retire... Why is it always that Pakistan carry a new opener to overseas and TTF on placid UAE/Asian pitches?? Remember Umar Akin to England in 2010, sami Aslam to England in 2016,Imam to SA... And so on??
 
DRsohail said:
Fluke partnership is going on @ Mamoon Shan looks to be pick of the batsman which should make Azhar and Shafiq die of the shame they say in Pashtu “ da dwi pa sharam sa “.
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He is hungry and committed. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
yasir said:
Sami has his issue, no doubt but in last 10 years Pakistan’s biggest accomplishment was 2-2 in England, Sami was the reason that happened. He showed everybody how to bat in England. That allowed us to get back into the series. He would have been much better here as well in seeing off new ball.

He is not ideal opener but we have very low standards. This series tells you one more thing why Azhar can only open, he can block new ball but playing short pitch is way above his level. He has been horrible with short pitch.m and this is not the first time, last time he was doing exactly that...

Pakistani think tank also works like PP, lot of emotions and hope rather than substance and data....
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Actually you couldn't be any further from the truth. Sami Aslam didn't play in Lords and failed in Oval where Pakistan won those tests in London.

He only performed in Edgbaston with 2 half centuries but Pakistan lost that test.

If you were to check his average, strike rate and ton count along with his toothless display in Australia where he was exposed against the short ball, you'll see why he's actually a garbage batsman.
 
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