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South Africa v Pakistan | 2nd T20I | Johannesburg| Feb 3rd, 2019 | South Africa Innings

Hassan and shinwari have been mediocre in this match
 
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
 
Shafi said:
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
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Mentality.

That's where it all begins in top sports.
 
Shafi said:
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
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I don’t have an objective measure to assess this on. This is more stereotype than reality. The first thing most fans must make peace with is that almost all players have second or third year blues. Those are the years that players discover if they are cut out for the international game. Because teams have footage of their playing style and make plans for it.
 
Shafi said:
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
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That is because we keep on playing against Zimbabwe, WI, SL and our full strength in T20Is when other big teams dont give a s*** about it. Performing against minnows and second strings brings overconfidence to our players.
 
Pete Rose said:
No he won’t. A lot of the current players are second year, but hasn’t stopped wailing here
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Yeah but shaheen's potential is immense. Most talented bowler ive seen from PAK in a decade. I frankly don't see the hype about blokes like Faheem and fakhar. They are decent but they won't end up as world beaters.
 
Shafi said:
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
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It is often an illusion. We play weak opposition a lot and our players make before getting found out by better teams.
 
lahoriyah1234 said:
Absolutely, it is a pajama 🏏 enjoy the game its about 4 and 6s. Pak will win I believe they will. Inshallah.
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Exactly. Even Fakhar and Babar will thwack RSA bowlers here. But they don't have Imad who can control runs flow and that will the key difference I think.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Yeah but shaheen's potential is immense. Most talented bowler ive seen from PAK in a decade. I frankly don't see the hype about blokes like Faheem and fakhar. They are decent but they won't end up as world beaters.
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I think Faheem has bowled and batted like his domestic stats show: very good bowling and poor batting. I don’t rate fakhar, but I think the coach should be allowed to leeway to work with him. It helps that fakhar is playing with imam at one end and babar afterwards. So there is a cushion for failure
 
I can't when we talk about bowling people talk about fakhar as an option. He is not.
We need 6 proper bowling options!!
 
Mamoon said:
It is often an illusion. We play weak opposition a lot and our players make before getting found out by better teams.
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[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] it is.Like who did take away the skills from Hassan of taking the ball away from left handers?
 
Attapattu is a prime example of developing a very good batsman He score 1 out of 6 innings in a test with 5 ducks. Then he never looked back. Where Shehzad, Fakhar, Y Hamid, Afridi, Wasti, M Wasim.... started with bang but some of them do't go that far.
 
malik was too slow in changing the field. may be he will not play next match because of slow rating
 
Pete Rose said:
What does mentality mean to you
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Satisfied with less and not going for the maximum.

Guys like Babar will not maximize their fitness or spend hours in the nets to improve their technique. The hunger for runs isn't it there. He gets a lot of praise for his well made 50's and seems content with it.

Even if you are not that talented you can have an impact if you work hard on your deficiencies.
 
Like other Green team fans I have not been very happy with our bowling effort. However, does it warrant the absolute negativity from certain posters?

I am sure if this same team got SA all out for below 100; these same posters will come out (if they do) and say:

- It was a fluke
- SA team wasn’t full strength
- Pitch is most difficult and Pak batsmen will not be able to chase
- Crowd was favoring visiting team

My advice to such posters is to take a really good look in the mirror; there is a very good reason why you have not been able to achieve much in life and rely on cheap thrills in condemning Pak cricket team. By all means provide constructive feedback but don’t show yourself as a frustrated person.
 
ekpakistani said:
Like other Green team fans I have not been very happy with our bowling effort. However, does it warrant the absolute negativity from certain posters?

I am sure if this same team got SA all out for below 100; these same posters will come out (if they do) and say:

- It was a fluke
- SA team wasn’t full strength
- Pitch is most difficult and Pak batsmen will not be able to chase
- Crowd was favoring visiting team

My advice to such posters is to take a really good look in the mirror; there is a very good reason why you have not been able to achieve much in life and rely on cheap thrills in condemning Pak cricket team. By all means provide constructive feedback but don’t show yourself as a frustrated person.
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You never know who achieved what here.Sometimes you have to tell the reality which is our bowing has been below par in this tour.
 
If we bowl now we might get smashed beyond regular.

The wet ball is hard to grip and apart from one over of Shaheen the other 2 are Hasan/Usman/Shadab and they have already been getting smashed anyways.
 
Mamoon said:
It is often an illusion. We play weak opposition a lot and our players make before getting found out by better teams.
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Pak did ok against SA in ODIs but of course they are weak opposition just like Aus and New Zealand were when we were playing them but not when India played them. Pak lose one test to West Indies in a series and there was a big uproar but England lost the whole series lol. Same England that outclassed India.
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Satisfied with less and not going for the maximum.

Guys like Babar will not maximize their fitness or spend hours in the nets to improve their technique. The hunger for runs isn't it there. He gets a lot of praise for his well made 50's and seems content with it.

Even if you are not that talented you can have an impact if you work hard on your deficiencies.
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I am reading what you wrote. Can you give me one tangible objective proof that these players don’t work hard in the nets
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
Satisfied with less and not going for the maximum.

Guys like Babar will not maximize their fitness or spend hours in the nets to improve their technique. The hunger for runs isn't it there. He gets a lot of praise for his well made 50's and seems content with it.

Even if you are not that talented you can have an impact if you work hard on your deficiencies.
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You've been following him around and keeping track of how much time he spends in the gym and the nets?
 
DRsohail said:
You never know who achieved what here.Sometimes you have to tell the reality which is our bowing has been below par in this tour.
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As I said by all means provide constructive feedback but some folks can get so negative.

No matter what has or has not been achieved it is clear in terms of cricket they are stuck on being keyboard warriors on this forum.
 
Shafi said:
The biggest problem from our current generation players are they get worse over time where other teams' players they improve over time.
Really really hard to explain that. MMH, Mamoon, Pete, MRSN, Rana, AAli98 ..... can you please explain that.
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It's more to do with domestic system, conditioning and competitiveness. Most PAK youngsters start with a bang, which is natural skill - then by couple of years their strengths and weaknesses are analyzed by International teams and better cricket brains ... this is more or less common in every sports. For PAK youngsters, to fix/develop their game to compete or improve at International level - they had to go to QeA style, then for technical coaching to Basit Alis. And, this game has a major factor of mental aspects (not education), and temperament, which you develop through hard fought games against similar or better skilled and mentally conditioned players - which can't be developed by bashing ZIM reserves regularly .... neither in a domestic system where National Captain plays from Quaid E Azam to Nazmabad night cricket.

I wrote it many times - in 1967 Majid & Asif went to England as a medium pacer who bats at 8, then landed at Glamargoan & Kent - ended as 2 batsmen of 1970s, and in 1971 Zaheer/Imran ended at Gloster & Worcester ...... Umar Akmal & Hammad Azam were unlucky because that window was closed by 2009, otherwise Umar's 123 or Hammad's U19 WC 2010 show was enough to land them in Counties 35 years back - some history would have been rewritten thereafter. Imran definitely wasn't as good as Hammad of 2010 in 1971 UK tour, while Zaheer also wasn't the batsman against a rampant Bond in 1970.....
 
Pete Rose said:
I am reading what you wrote. Can you give me one tangible objective proof that these players don’t work hard in the nets
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Gotham Cronie said:
You've been following him around and keeping track of how much time he spends in the gym and the nets?
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I think his dismissals in the tests show enough. Not grinding it out and also getting out the same way quite a few times. Very talented and getting better, but in order to reach that next level he will have to work harder.

I am a big fan of Babar sher and hope he does reach better fitness levels and improve his batting technique.
 
Hahahaha Sky rubbing some salt in some unhealed wounds again.... :)))
 
Prince of Pakistan said:
I think his dismissals in the tests show enough. Not grinding it out and also getting out the same way quite a few times. Very talented and getting better, but in order to reach that next level he will have to work harder.

I am a big fan of Babar sher and hope he does reach better fitness levels and improve his batting technique.
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I agree with most of what to say, but have no proof that it’s due to lack of effort in the nets. You should know this from life as well : that sometimes all the hard work is not rewarded. It can happen. This is an assumption you are making
 
Got to say when Fakhar is on song, nobody can stop him...

Just needs his confidence back.

PSL will bring us some much needed spark back in the camp.
 
MMHS said:
It's more to do with domestic system, conditioning and competitiveness. Most PAK youngsters start with a bang, which is natural skill - then by couple of years their strengths and weaknesses are analyzed by International teams and better cricket brains ... this is more or less common in every sports. For PAK youngsters, to fix/develop their game to compete or improve at International level - they had to go to QeA style, then for technical coaching to Basit Alis. And, this game has a major factor of mental aspects (not education), and temperament, which you develop through hard fought games against similar or better skilled and mentally conditioned players - which can't be developed by bashing ZIM reserves regularly .... neither in a domestic system where National Captain plays from Quaid E Azam to Nazmabad night cricket.

I wrote it many times - in 1967 Majid & Asif went to England as a medium pacer who bats at 8, then landed at Glamargoan & Kent - ended as 2 batsmen of 1970s, and in 1971 Zaheer/Imran ended at Gloster & Worcester ...... Umar Akmal & Hammad Azam were unlucky because that window was closed by 2009, otherwise Umar's 123 or Hammad's U19 WC 2010 show was enough to land them in Counties 35 years back - some history would have been rewritten thereafter. Imran definitely wasn't as good as Hammad of 2010 in 1971 UK tour, while Zaheer also wasn't the batsman against a rampant Bond in 1970.....
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This. A lot comes down to mentality in international sports.
 
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