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South Africa vs India | 1st test | Chennai | 26/3/2008 to 30/3/2008

Indiafan said:
Been a long day, hasnt it? I am sick of flat pitches and there is only so much one can watch batsmen hitting all over the park and bowlers with shoulders drooped, ust going through the motions.

That said, if India do go on to win the series, I hope you will still credit them as a win is a win no matter what the pitch. You won last with pithces which were your strenght with a few of our players (including Sachin) out of form. So if we do win, its still a series win. With lots less bragging rights though!
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I don't get it. It hasn't happened yet but if any side complains of flat pitch after being bowled out twice then it is asking to be ridiculed.
 
saffer. u seem to be one jeloused man..

keep mentioning flat tracks.. don't know that most of the 300's scored in cricket are on flat tracks.. lara scored both his big knocks on flat track.. more importantly the 400 he scored were score in first innings and he took so much time and didn't declare.. game ended in draw.

here this guy is showing tremendous strike rate.. 540 India were trailing by.. yet he comes and smashes all over the park.. forgot the flat track.. u need to be a very good batsman to do that..

i know u r appreciating this performance, but stop whining about flat tracks..

thats how chennai pitch has been over the years..

saf just added 540.. teams have score 600 also in other countries.. weren't they flat tracks too..
 
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Agree, spin is no longer our strength. I am sure we could have matched the SA pace battery and we have better batsmen.
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Zaheer khan injured.
Ishant injured.
Munaf-not gud enuf.
Praveen- not enuf pace, wont suit chennai strip.

so, there was no way, v cud have managed to put up suitable seamers. even RPS was ineffective.

we will have a good chance if we can bowl at SA with a handly 200+ lead , post tea tomorrow.spin is the only option left for the selectors after the rain ruined chances of a good pitch preparation.
 
with all due respect

RPS was not in the rhytm from the first ball

and his fielding reflected that

hopefully he can improve in the 2nd innings or maybe not

since kumble will mostly use himself, bhajji, and most likely sehwag on a 5th DAY Chennai PITCH OUCCHHHH
 
Rajan said:
Zaheer khan injured.
Ishant injured.
Munaf-not gud enuf.
Praveen- not enuf pace, wont suit chennai strip.

so, there was no way, v cud have managed to put up suitable seamers. even RPS was ineffective.

we will have a good chance if we can bowl at SA with a handly 200+ lead , post tea tomorrow.spin is the only option left for the selectors after the rain ruined chances of a good pitch preparation.
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RPS can be very effective when there is a bit of swing. He was the one who single-handedly almost destroyed SA in the 20/20 WC. Sreesanth was the sole Bowler who led us to victory in Durban. We had the potential. Thrd seaner would have been Pathan instead of Bhajji!
 
Viru..shabaash...what a performance..real joy to watch as long as its not against Pakistan..lol..then its just painful..nice to know he's murdered another attack other than ours..

as for the flat track debate..well you still need to make the runs even if it is a flat track...if it was that easy to make 300 everyone would have done it more regularly!
 
Forget about the pitch, it's a pretty awesome innings from Sehwag regardless. Shame that the match will most likely be a draw, unless India can get to 1000 by tea tomorrow and try and bowl the Boers out in 4 sessions.
 
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OZGOD said:
Gratz to Amla for his 150. I still don't really rate the bloke, but I have to admit he has improved since his debut. Can't ask for more than that of a player.

Though if Amla can score a 150 on this wicket, I'm expecting the likes of Sehwag, Tendy et al to score 200+ minimum - particularly as SA have no spinner of note. India should be able to post 1000 in their first innings.
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Still don't believe me Saffer? India will score 1000 on this wicket and then declare by tea tomorrow.
 
OZGOD said:
Forget about the pitch, it's a pretty awesome innings from Sehwag regardless. Shame that the match will most likely be a draw, unless India can get to 1000 by tea tomorrow and try and bowl the Boers out in 4 sessions.
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i doubt it cuz the pitch is really taking a turn

it will prolly be a minefield come day 5

bhajji sehwag and kumble will run ova saf :D
 
Just amazing batting from Sehwag, it doesn't matter if you're playing on a pitch as flat as cement: to score 300 runs at a 100+ strike rate is just unbelievable and something not many batsman in the world can even dream of doing. Having said that however, I really hope he does not break Lara's record. Lets face it, Sehwag just doesn't compare to the phenomenon that is Lara. He can make 399 for all I care; just make sure that Lara's crazy achievement remains cemented in cricketing history for a while yet.

ps - so much for the Indians complaining about flat pitches in Pakistan.
 
Lara made his 401 after batting for 582 balls. If Sehwag plays that many balls, he will score 600. Moreover, The South African bowling is superior to the English bowling against which Lara scored his 401. Also, Lara's two triple centuries did not help his team's cause.In fact, Lara, who started batting on day 1 in the first session, batted till just before tea on day three,and only then declared after scoring 401,( taking 778 minutes in all ) thus killing off any chances of a win for his team.

Sehwag's earlier triple century was a match winning effort. And this century could also turn out to be one. Even otherwise, this is not an innings just for the sake of record making. He is playing in the team interest.
 
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Sehwag in his cricinfo interview mentioned that Multan pitch was even flatter, and that the weather conditions at Multan were not as oppressive as at Chennai.
 
Sehwag is a class class man, the rapidity at which he scored the 300 in the Multan test also enabled it to be in a win in the draw.
 
Where is saffer now, i know pitch is flat. But taking one wicket whole day cmon even bangladeshi can take one wicket in whole day
 
Well I will try to watch the first session today. If Sehwag survives and gets 70% of the strike (about 100-110 balls) then 400 is up by lunch
 
firstly..im really disappointed in some of my fellow indians here....there is such a thing as being humble and poor winners....if we do something good why do we always have to rub it in..and if someone says stupid comments sometimes its better to let them slide rather than acknowledge them

secondly....who cares if this is a flat track...you still have to keep your composure and it takes great concentration, not to mention stamina to bat that long that fast in this sort of heat

lastly....once again who cares if this track does not give anything to the pace bowlers....the game consists of various types of bowlers and indias strength has always been in spin, many people feel this track will and i quote "be a minefield come day 5"...it may allow for an india win it may not...why would india on home soil create pitches that play into SAF hands(pace)..that would be stupid...thats what home advantage is all about in any sport you name it, basketball, football, hockey, baseball
 
squarecut said:
Lara made his 401 after batting for 582 balls. If Sehwag plays that many balls, he will score 600. Moreover, The South African bowling is superior to the English bowling against which Lara scored his 401. Also, Lara's two triple centuries did not help his team's cause.In fact, Lara, who started batting on day 1 in the first session, batted till just before tea on day three,and only then declared after scoring 401,( taking 778 minutes in all ) thus killing off any chances of a win for his team.

Sehwag's earlier triple century was a match winning effort. And this century could also turn out to be one. Even otherwise, this is not an innings just for the sake of record making. He is playing in the team interest.
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:)) :)) Turn it up
 
squarecut said:
Lara made his 401 after batting for 582 balls. If Sehwag plays that many balls, he will score 600. Moreover, The South African bowling is superior to the English bowling against which Lara scored his 401. Also, Lara's two triple centuries did not help his team's cause.In fact, Lara, who started batting on day 1 in the first session, batted till just before tea on day three,and only then declared after scoring 401,( taking 778 minutes in all ) thus killing off any chances of a win for his team.

Sehwag's earlier triple century was a match winning effort. And this century could also turn out to be one. Even otherwise, this is not an innings just for the sake of record making. He is playing in the team interest.
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To glorify your own knock, you must deglorify another. I wouldnt call this South African attack better than the English one or weaker. Morne Morkel is fairly inexperienced, Ntini sucks overseas and Steyn is the o nly thing they got good going for them.

Meanwhile, England had just won the series 3-0, so their bowers were in decent form. Harmison just took 7 for 12. Hoggard took a hat trick in the previous test. Simon Jones was probaly the equivalent of what Morne is now. Also this track is probaly as flat if not even more flat than the antigua wicket.
 
Amir said:
To glorify your own knock, you must deglorify another. I wouldnt call this South African attack better than the English one or weaker. Morne Morkel is fairly inexperienced, Ntini sucks overseas and Steyn is the o nly thing they got good going for them.

Meanwhile, England had just won the series 3-0, so their bowers were in decent form. Harmison just took 7 for 12. Hoggard took a hat trick in the previous test. Simon Jones was probaly the equivalent of what Morne is now. Also this track is probaly as flat if not even more flat than the antigua wicket.
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that was dead rubber. when your team is already up 3-0 and playing the final game, no matter how good they are, you cant expect 100% from the bowlers whereas the first match of the series, bowlers wud give more than 100%.

anyway he did not glorify sehwag's knock. its only easa who mentioned sehwag does not deserve to break lara's record. hence he made that statement. hope you read all the post in the thread before posting something.
 
OUT OUT OUT OUT!!!! NTINI GETS HIM!!!

Laras record stays :D
 
What smart thiking from the Genius Ntini :D The record stays with its rightful holder :D
 
Normal service resumes.
Dravid to bat for his first 100 after a long time, dont remember him scoring one in the recent series against Engalnd/Pakistan/Australia.

Sachin under pressure to compensate for Sehwag's loss.

suddenly the pitch and bowlers would be asking many questions!

yesterday between lunch and tea, sehwag was playing as if he was chasing a 20-20 target.Dravid was playing as if he was saving a 5 days test!
 
Great knock from Sehwag, but he needed to be there for India to push for a win. Lots of batting still to come though. If India can somehow get a lead of 200 that may be enough. Dravid needs to up his strikerate now - a SR of 32 isn't going to help India win, they need quick runs to give themselves time to bowl the Boers out.
 
....and tendulkars gone . Great knock by sehwag , goes without saying , but i'm really glad he didn't beat lara's record . Suddenly the pitch seems to be doing something . From an india perspective that's a great thing . If they can chisel out a 150 lead and bowl S.a out with some time to knock of the runs(if S.A get a lead) , they could pull off an amazing win .
 
I can't help that feel if S.a had brough out the new bal yesterday they could have done more damage much quicker .
 
Great knock by Sehwag. May be he made the pitch look flatter than it actually is. If that is the case, then his knock was better than what some people are giving him credit for.

I hope that the remaining Indian batsmen play their natural game, instead of trying to bat at Sehwag's rate.
 
squarecut said:
Great knock by Sehwag. May be he made the pitch look flatter than it actually is. If that is the case, then his knock was better than what some people are giving him credit for.

I hope that the remaining Indian batsmen play their natural game, instead of trying to bat at Sehwag's rate.
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I remember the last day in Adelaide Test none of the Indian batsmen could score a run - except Sehwag who merrily smashed us all over the park.
 
Dravid completes 10000 runs in test cricket.

Great achievement. He is the sixth player and third Indian to achieve this rare landmark.
 
I noticed our favourite posters like phoenix, freedom and so on all disappeared when Veeru got out. :D
 
Amir said:
I noticed our favourite posters like phoenix, freedom and so on all disappeared when Veeru got out. :D
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Amir,

you are here just becos shewag is out..
btw i responded to your post in the other thread 30 mins ago.. guess you didnt see that..

I didnt see you whole day yesterday while sehwag was murdering SA bowlers..

BTW indians are in better position to win this game.. please dont hang urself if they win this one:)
 
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I don't get it. It hasn't happened yet but if any side complains of flat pitch after being bowled out twice then it is asking to be ridiculed.
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Oh if S.A lose it will be due to an amazing innings by sehwag and because on the last day the pitch took ripping turn . The rest of the game is just fast bowlers having no chance . If you're happy to only win by that method that's fine . Just don't expect me to be excited by these kinds of matches ..they offer none of the excitement of watching batter versus bowler on a fair level .
 
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saffer said:
Oh if S.A lose it will be due to an amazing innings by sehwag and because on the last day the pitch took ripping turn . The rest of the game is just fast bowlers having no chance . If you're happy to only win by that method that's fine . Just don't expect me to be excited by these kinds of matches ..they offer none of the excitement of watching batter versus bowler on a fair level .
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"Just don't expect me to be excited by these kinds of matches "

what is wrong in that.. when do you get excited.. subcontinental pitches have been like this for long long time.. pitch crumble on 4th and 5th day and assist spinners.. pitches in Pakistan and Bangladesh too are like that. you did not have any complaint about pitches when your team was beating pakistan and bangladesh.
 
And now dravid gone . A few more wickets before any serious lead should make it safe for S.A.
 
what is wrong in that.. when do you get excited..
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when i see a fair contest between batsman and bowler . I dont want to see the bowlers hqave no chance ...neither do i want to the basman to have no chance . What is so controversial about that statement ?
 
pitches in Pakistan and Bangladesh too are like that. you did not have any complaint about pitches when your team was beating pakistan and bangladesh.
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Nonsense .Against Pakistan I meaned a lot about the pitch in the test match that it applied . Bangladesh didn't capture my interest and they were never competitive so it doesn't apply .
 
saffer said:
when i see a fair contest between batsman and bowler . I dont want to see the bowlers hqave no chance ...neither do i want to the basman to have no chance . What is so controversial about that statement ?
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It is funny, btw you need skills to get wickets in sub-cont. Just like you need skills to make runs on bouncy pitches in aussies/sa. Wasim/Waqar/McGrath bowled very well on these pitches. btw SA bowlers are very overrated according to me.
 
saffer said:
Oh if S.A lose it will be due to an amazing innings by sehwag and because on the last day the pitch took ripping turn . The rest of the game is just fast bowlers having no chance . If you're happy to only win by that method that's fine . Just don't expect me to be excited by these kinds of matches ..they offer none of the excitement of watching batter versus bowler on a fair level .
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Duhh ofcourse you wouldnt be excited if you team loses it is called 'disappointment' of losing. Mate you are so full of it, it aint funny making these pathetic excuses after you went on about how these chockers were gonna beat us 3-0 now you have eat your words... How pathetic that over hyped Irfan Pathan part 2 Steyn played, couldnt buy a wicket for his life, I hope he gets atleast a tail ender.
 
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India have a great chance to win this. Add another 150 and take a crack at weary saffers over the next 3 sessions.
This has been a great learning curve for Steyn & Co. - it'll be intersting to see how he reacts in the next 2 games.
 
Saffer,
There is no point considering yourself a world beater, when all you have beaten are the lowest ranking teams like Bangladesh, West Indies etc. If Steyn can take 73 wickets against the likes of Bangladesh and West Indies, that does not make him a world beating bowler, unlike how you were boasting before this test. He is no different from Tait, who talked big before Perth test against India, and went into depression and retirement after the test was over.
 
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squarecut said:
Saffer,
There is no point considering yourself a world beater, when all you have beaten are the lowest ranking teams like Bangladesh, West Indies etc. If Steyn can take 73 wickets against the likes of Bangladesh and West Indies, that does not make him a world beating bowler, unlike how you were boasting before this test. He is no different from Tait, who talked big before Perth test against India, and went into depression and retirement after the test was over.
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i tend to differ.
1.Steyn is a different bowler than Tait because he swings the ball at good pace. He will be effective on tracks which offer at least some purchase for the faster bowlers. he has done well against Pakistan in pakistan and also troubled the batsmen like Chanderpaul, Gayle, Bravo...

2. i think Tait will make a successful come back in the IPL matches and regain his confidence.the slow over rate and the threat of stringent penalty from the Refereee for the slow over rate, did not allow Ponting to use Tait for longer spells in the second innings. he chose to bowl Clarke and symmonds to compensate the slower rate which compromised his team's chances of bowling india for a lower score in the second innings.


Remember Lillee, Garner, Ambrose never played in tests in india, because indian pitches were considered as grave yards of fast bowlers.
 
Rajan said:
i tend to differ.
1.Steyn is a different bowler than Tait because he swings the ball at good pace. He will be effective on tracks which offer at least some purchase for the faster bowlers. he has done well against Pakistan in pakistan and also troubled the batsmen like Chanderpaul, Gayle, Bravo...

2. i think Tait will make a successful come back in the IPL matches and regain his confidence.the slow over rate and the threat of stringent penalty from the Refereee for the slow over rate, did not allow Ponting to use Tait for longer spells in the second innings. he chose to bowl Clarke and symmonds to compensate the slower rate which compromised his team's chances of bowling india for a lower score in the second innings.


Remember Lillee, Garner, Ambrose never played in tests in india, because indian pitches were considered as grave yards of fast bowlers.
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very good point.
sometimes we tend to overrate the players of the past due to rosetinted glasses while dissing those of the modern era.

Which is precisely why Mcgrath (71 at 20), Marshall, Pollock and Walsh should be especially admired for their outstanding figures on subcontinetal wickets.
 
Perth93 said:
very good point.
sometimes we tend to overrate the players of the past due to rosetinted glasses while dissing those of the modern era.

Which is precisely why Mcgrath (71 at 20), Marshall, Pollock and Walsh should be especially admired for their outstanding figures on subcontinetal wickets.
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i admire Malcolm Mashall for that. unlike Pollock and McGrath, who were approaching the crease like long distance runners, Marshall literally sprinted to the crease and bowled at great pace and generated steep bounce on the dead indian pitches. i watched him bowl in the chennai test in 1984, where Sunny Gavaskar scored 236*.

Marshall had Holding, Roberts and i am correct Winston Davis with him, but he was at least a yard quicker than the rest and commanded lot of respect from the batsmen. he had impressive returns in the series- some 32 wickets and at exceptional average.

i am not taking anything away from McGrath or for that matter Akram & Imran who too bowled in a few tests in chennai, or Allan Donald, Patrick Patterson, Shoaib Akthar who terrorised indian batsmen with their pace on indian pitches, but Marshall was the best fast bowler to have played in india in the last 25 years.
 
India are throwing a chance at a win away here. Unless the pitch deteriorates further Sehwag's work has been in vain - this is looking like a draw.
 
Now this is finally getting frustrating, Kumble always seems a bit confused at the end, just get a 100-120 run lead and declare ASAP, why he doesnt do it ? is beyond my wildest immaginations... Maybe he is planning to bat out the whole day, very dissappointed with Dhoni he made Dravid look like Afridi during his painful tortoise type stay. He sure set the tone for this new slow paced batting, well done to the 1.5 million dollar man SHabHASH Bettaa :14:
 
Rajan said:
i admire Malcolm Mashall for that. unlike Pollock and McGrath, who were approaching the crease like long distance runners, Marshall literally sprinted to the crease and bowled at great pace and generated steep bounce on the dead indian pitches. i watched him bowl in the chennai test in 1984, where Sunny Gavaskar scored 236*.

Marshall had Holding, Roberts and i am correct Winston Davis with him, but he was at least a yard quicker than the rest and commanded lot of respect from the batsmen. he had impressive returns in the series- some 32 wickets and at exceptional average.

i am not taking anything away from McGrath or for that matter Akram & Imran who too bowled in a few tests in chennai, or Allan Donald, Patrick Patterson, Shoaib Akthar who terrorised indian batsmen with their pace on indian pitches, but Marshall was the best fast bowler to have played in india in the last 25 years.
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Best bowler I have seen was Malcolm Marshall. He could do everything on any pitch. Much respect. Wasim not far behind.
 
Rajan said:
i admire Malcolm Mashall for that. unlike Pollock and McGrath, who were approaching the crease like long distance runners, Marshall literally sprinted to the crease and bowled at great pace and generated steep bounce on the dead indian pitches. i watched him bowl in the chennai test in 1984, where Sunny Gavaskar scored 236*.

Marshall had Holding, Roberts and i am correct Winston Davis with him, but he was at least a yard quicker than the rest and commanded lot of respect from the batsmen. he had impressive returns in the series- some 32 wickets and at exceptional average.

i am not taking anything away from McGrath or for that matter Akram & Imran who too bowled in a few tests in chennai, or Allan Donald, Patrick Patterson, Shoaib Akthar who terrorised indian batsmen with their pace on indian pitches, but Marshall was the best fast bowler to have played in india in the last 25 years.
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I haven't seen the '84 series, Rajan, but I did catch Walsh in 1987-88 and 1994-95. He was unbeliavbly hostile, which is surprising for someone who's not classified as a terryfing quick.

In fact the best quick bowling performances in India that I've seen are:

1. Walsh in 1994
2. Patterson in 1987
3. Gillessppie in 2004
4. Donald in 1996
5. Walsh 1987
 
Romali_rotti said:
Wohoooooooo the supposed to be terroizer Irfan Pathan part 2 gets a wicket :D... Yayyyyyy
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28 overs 1 for 97 is a pretty creditable effort actually.
 
India should give at least 12 overs for the SA team to bat before the end of the day. but i wont be surprised if the indian team get all out in the next 20 overs! a lead of 130 would not be of much importance though.
the pitch has not cracked up. continues to be slow.

DRAW.
 
OZGOD said:
India are throwing a chance at a win away here. Unless the pitch deteriorates further Sehwag's work has been in vain - this is looking like a draw.
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Kumble is too defensive as captain. Why not throw the bat as soon as you have a lead? It's not like India can lose the game.

Barring miracle this match is a draw now.
 
Steyn's 100 up, following up on Harris( 196 so far) and Ntini(128)!

Morkel is the best on view.
he will go a long way- may be another Pollock if he can add some variations.
 
"go for your shots guys!!..." - I'd tell them that if i was kumble..rattle up as much as possible..lets get a goddamn result here..
 
Rajan said:
Steyn's 100 up, following up on Harris( 196 so far) and Ntini(128)!

Morkel is the best on view.
he will go a long way- may be another Pollock if he can add some variations.
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and he celebrates with 2 wkts
 
Random Aussie said:
28 overs 1 for 97 is a pretty creditable effort actually.
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umm not quite the pretender terrorizer was supposed to put our batsmen in hospital :D
 
Perth93 said:
I haven't seen the '84 series, Rajan, but I did catch Walsh in 1987-88 and 1994-95. He was unbeliavbly hostile, which is surprising for someone who's not classified as a terryfing quick.

In fact the best quick bowling performances in India that I've seen are:

1. Walsh in 1994
2. Patterson in 1987
3. Gillessppie in 2004
4. Donald in 1996
5. Walsh 1987
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Patterson literally hurt the indian batsmen. He bowled super fast for the first half of that series.i remember england spinner Edmonds's wife's comment about him- "he has got muscles in places where others dont have places". he was built like a boxer and bowled some of the fastest spells in india.

Walsh had many variations but he had a suspect bouncer, which was mean but slightly chucked, IMHO. for a fast bowler he had very good stamina, kept on bowling well. Vengsarkar handled him well and even srikkanth with such suspect defence did ok.

Donald was faster in his first tour where SA played only one day matches.he was lightning quick and terrorised the indians.
 
Oh my god Please take that selfish SOB Laxman out, I hope STeyn hits him on the head, the moro* is happy just getting singles with 1 wicket in hand
 
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Looks like Romali bragged too soon. He's got a 4-fer with 1 to go.
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Mate 4for against the Tailenders doesnt cut it for someone who was supposed to put our top batsmen in hospital.
 
And Laxman gets one of our bowlers nearly injured, seriously I wish I take a gun put a bullet through his thick skull..
 
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Mate 4for against the Tailenders doesnt cut it for someone who was supposed to put our top batsmen in hospital.
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Well I think he might have sent Sreesanth to the doctors :D
 
Sree has copped one on his left arm and it is swollen, he is in pain.
If sree has an hairline crack on his left arm, Ishant will play next test.
but any chance of Sree bowling in SA 2nd innings ?perhaps With lot more passion!
 
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And Laxman gets one of our bowlers nearly injured, seriously I wish I take a gun put a bullet through his thick skull..
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Hmm, you playing cowboys and indians? :131:
 
Rajan said:
Patterson literally hurt the indian batsmen. He bowled super fast for the first half of that series.i remember england spinner Edmonds's wife's comment about him- "he has got muscles in places where others dont have places". he was built like a boxer and bowled some of the fastest spells in india.

Walsh had many variations but he had a suspect bouncer, which was mean but slightly chucked, IMHO. for a fast bowler he had very good stamina, kept on bowling well. Vengsarkar handled him well and even srikkanth with such suspect defence did ok.

Donald was faster in his first tour where SA played only one day matches.he was lightning quick and terrorised the indians.
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Walsh was not that quick but he could bowl a consisently short and mean line. You are right about the bouncer - was a bit dodgy.

Patterson was really mean - check him out on YouTube, that was a quick action but no wonder back injury did him in.

Donald slowed his pace a fair bit after debuting for SA. He had more than just pace though.
 
Rajan said:
Sree has copped one on his left arm and it is swollen, he is in pain.
If sree has an hairline crack on his left arm, Ishant will play next test.
but any chance of Sree bowling in SA 2nd innings ?perhaps With lot more passion!
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Surely Ishant (if fit) would be in the team for the next Test anyway.
 
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