South Africa will remain a force!

[Hasan123]

South Africa have administrative problems but that aside it is an absolute myth that they will decline as a cricketing nation. Rabada,De Kock,Norje,Van Der Dussen,,JP Malan,Ngidi,and I could name more. They have more than enough talent to remain a strong side.

I strongly disagree with people who say South African is finished.

 

[King_Kohli]

Agree

 

[Ab Fan]

SA are going through a bad phase, its a transition period and unfortunately this time it will be taking a bit of time but there is no doubt that SA will get back to their usual best which is a top 3-4 level team.

International cricket quality has regressed with South Africa's decline but it is a temporary one. Quinton de Kock, Kagiso Rabada, Lungi Ngidi and Anrich Nortje are still as good as anyone in modern era.

 

[Titan24]

Thing is “force” is a relative term. SA is definitely not as strong as it was a decade ago and before while Eng, NZ and Ind have really improved and can be said as top teams currently along with Aus.

Cricket is played by a handful of countries so SA currently they can remain around mid tier. If Pak, Srl, BD and WI improve a bit and jump spots and SA doesnt change trajectory than it can go downwards. If SA shifts the trajectory a bit positively and any of the top teams enters a bad phase than they can again go up.

With 10 odd main cricket teams, you can afford to be poor and still remain at respectable position if others aren’t improving as well which in a sport with a lot more competitive teams has much lower probability to be in that bit of safe heaven.

SA cricket needs to get its things sorted as such mismanagement and different kind of selection systems does eventually produces a trickle down effect and SA has faced that already in the last decade.

 

[HappyWarsFan]

They'll be poor for a while but won't fade away.

 

[Hasan123]

Thing is “force” is a relative term. SA is definitely not as strong as it was a decade ago and before while Eng, NZ and Ind have really improved and can be said as top teams currently along with Aus.

Cricket is played by a handful of countries so SA currently they can remain around mid tier. If Pak, Srl, BD and WI improve a bit and jump spots and SA doesnt change trajectory than it can go downwards. If SA shifts the trajectory a bit positively and any of the top teams enters a bad phase than they can again go up.

With 10 odd main cricket teams, you can afford to be poor and still remain at respectable position if others aren’t improving as well which in a sport with a lot more competitive teams has much lower probability to be in that bit of safe heaven.

SA cricket needs to get its things sorted as such mismanagement and different kind of selection systems does eventually produces a trickle down effect and SA has faced that already in the last decade.

Sorry even if this state, South Africa are a better team than Bangladesh, West Indies, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.

 

[Titan24]

Sorry even if this state, South Africa are a better team than Bangladesh, West Indies, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka.

Thats what I said that they will remain in the mid tier but will have to move that trajectory upwards. Teams dont remain constant and any push from any of the bottom teams can dislodge their safe heaven. At the moment SA has declined but is around middle and from this they will have to get things sorted before they loose this position in future.

 

[Hasan123]

Thats what I said that they will remain in the mid tier but will have to move that trajectory upwards. Teams dont remain constant and any push from any of the bottom teams can dislodge their safe heaven. At the moment SA has declined but is around middle and from this they will have to get things sorted before they loose this position in future.

Mid tier is around 6th or 7th. South Africa aren't in that position. It's a toss up between them and NZ for the 4th tier.

A team with players like Rabada,Faf,De Kock, Norje,Ngidi,Miller, and Malan is not mid tier.

 

[Hasan123]

Thats what I said that they will remain in the mid tier but will have to move that trajectory upwards. Teams dont remain constant and any push from any of the bottom teams can dislodge their safe heaven. At the moment SA has declined but is around middle and from this they will have to get things sorted before they loose this position in future.

They beat a full strength Australian side in ODIs who have just beaten the world champions and will beat India who are a top ODI side.

Don't see Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,West Indes , and Pakistan being able to beat Australia in a bilateral ODI series.

 

[Titan24]

They beat a full strength Australian side in ODIs who have just beaten the world champions and will beat India who are a top ODI side.

Don't see Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,West Indes , and Pakistan being able to beat Australia in a bilateral ODI series.

Again I havent said that SA is worse than Pak and below as of now. If we are talking about ODIs SA is ranked 5th in ODIs (middle of the table as I have said) with 108 points, Aus is at 109 points at no 4 while Pak is at 6th with 100 points.

I cant predict the future but being at no 5th out of 10 main teams is not a force by any definition. If they do well they can go up again but, there is no way to tell that teams below will remain stagnant at their position.

Also is the thread only about ODIs? Otherwise Pak has beaten Aus in last 2 home test series 2-0 and 1-0, but, cant really call them a force as of yet.

To summarize and in an effort to communicate better:

Present - While not improving SA is possibly better than teams below

Future - Something nobody can predict (So cant really say that even in future none of the teams below mid table can go up, that would be too bold of a prediction)

 

[Hasan123]

Again I havent said that SA is worse than Pak and below as of now. If we are talking about ODIs SA is ranked 5th in ODIs (middle of the table as I have said) with 108 points, Aus is at 109 points at no 4 while Pak is at 6th with 100 points.

I cant predict the future but being at no 5th out of 10 main teams is not a force by any definition. If they do well they can go up again but, there is no way to tell that teams below will remain stagnant at their position.

Also is the thread only about ODIs? Otherwise Pak has beaten Aus in last 2 home test series 2-0 and 1-0, but, cant really call them a force as of yet.

To summarize and in an effort to communicate better:

Present - While not improving SA is possibly better than teams below

Future - Something nobody can predict (So cant really say that even in future none of the teams below mid table can go up, that would be too bold of a prediction)

I see South Africa future as more positive than Sri Lanka, West Indies,Pakistan, and Bangladesh. And I also believe at present they are a better side than them anyway.

Pakistan beat Australia without Smith and Warner so it wasn't full strength Australia. South Africa have beaten Australia home and away in tests and ODIs when they have been at full strength.

 

[Titan24]

Pakistan beat Australia without Smith and Warner so it wasn't full strength Australia. South Africa have beaten Australia home and away in tests and ODIs when they have been at full strength.

Not sure what the argument is but Pak didnt lose a single home series against any top side except against NZ in the last decade. All of them werent lacking squad strength.

Point isnt to talk Pak as a force in tests here although they were unbeaten for so long but to explain that a series win or two by SA in one format against a better side doesnt mean much.

SA has good cricket system so I wont be surprise if they revive but, at the moment they are not a force, their board is having issues, quota system is causing some rifts and their trajectory isnt upwards. Again I am not predicting the future here and giving my comments based upon present.

 

[aloo paratha]

Not sure what the argument is but Pak didnt lose a single home series against any top side except against NZ in the last decade. All of them werent lacking squad strength.

Point isnt to talk Pak as a force in tests here although they were unbeaten for so long but to explain that a series win or two by SA in one format against a better side doesnt mean much.

SA has good cricket system so I wont be surprise if they revive but, at the moment they are not a force, their board is having issues, quota system is causing some rifts and their trajectory isnt upwards. Again I am not predicting the future here and giving my comments based upon present.

Also it's such a nit picked selection. Australia is like the only top opposition they've managed to do well against in recent times. Got totally embarrassed in India last year. Lost a home series to England earlier this year too.

 

[Hasan123]

Not sure what the argument is but Pak didnt lose a single home series against any top side except against NZ in the last decade. All of them werent lacking squad strength.

Point isnt to talk Pak as a force in tests here although they were unbeaten for so long but to explain that a series win or two by SA in one format against a better side doesnt mean much.

SA has good cricket system so I wont be surprise if they revive but, at the moment they are not a force, their board is having issues, quota system is causing some rifts and their trajectory isnt upwards. Again I am not predicting the future here and giving my comments based upon present.

Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka at home and they are a mid tier team according to you.

I think you are taking the word force out of context. What I meant by that is I have seen posts saying South African cricket is finished or it will go the Zimbabwe way which will not happen. They will remain a top team competing near the top of the rankings and producing quality players. That is what I meant by force.

 

[aloo paratha]

Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka at home and they are a mid tier team according to you.

I think you are taking the word force out of context. What I meant by that is I have seen posts saying South African cricket is finished or it will go the Zimbabwe way which will not happen. They will remain a top team competing near the top of the rankings and producing quality players. That is what I meant by force.

I see them as a mid tier team along with us and SL. Will do decently at home but poorly away. In a sport where there are really only 10 competitive teams, being ranked 4-6 is mid tier.

 

[Markhor]

As long as their school system is strong they won't fall like WI or ZIM.

Administration is a shambles though.

 

[Hasan123]

I see them as a mid tier team along with us and SL. Will do decently at home but poorly away. In a sport where there are really only 10 competitive teams, being ranked 4-6 is mid tier.

They will remain strong at home and once the team settles , they will be competitive away. They are a better team than Pakistan and Sri Lanka and have a brighter future than both in my opinion.

 

[Titan24]

Pakistan lost to Sri Lanka at home and they are a mid tier team according to you.

SA also lost home series to Srl. Pakistan in total lost two home series in the last decade. Yes Pak have been struggling in recent times with some experienced players retiring. Further Pakistan as well as BD were able to beat SA in WC 19 where SA finished the table at no 7 (Below Srl) but, as said before few matches and a good series or two doesnt define a team either ways. However struggles of SA in WC and loosing home series to Srl as well as Eng definitely raises some questions for their management and top administration.

I think you are taking the word force out of context. What I meant by that is I have seen posts saying South African cricket is finished or it will go the Zimbabwe way which will not happen. They will remain a top team competing near the top of the rankings and producing quality players. That is what I meant by force.

Fair enough.

 

[Hasan123]

SA also lost home series to Srl. Pakistan in total lost two home series in the last decade. Yes Pak have been struggling in recent times with some experienced players retiring. Further Pakistan as well as BD were able to beat SA in WC 19 where SA finished the table at no 7 (Below Srl) but, as said before few matches and a good series or two doesnt define a team either ways. However struggles of SA in WC and loosing home series to Srl as well as Eng definitely have been low points in recent times.



Fair enough.

South Africa problem in the WC was they selection a couple of overaged players. They could have easily won that game against NZ and had a game rained off against West Indies which they could have won. Usually they are pretty consistent in getting to the semis of ICC tournaments. So even with there issues in terms of players with a bit more luck and better performances from individuals they could have been higher in the table or even qualified for the semis.

Also England have a good record in South Africa. I think they haven't lost their since 99 so losing to them is not a low point.

 

[aloo paratha]

They will remain strong at home and once the team settles , they will be competitive away. They are a better team than Pakistan and Sri Lanka and have a brighter future than both in my opinion.

I agree they're better, the rankings show that too. They're just not a top side. Mid tier is the right tag.

 

[Buffet]

South Africa have administrative problems but that aside it is an absolute myth that they will decline as a cricketing nation. Rabada,De Kock,Norje,Van Der Dussen,,JP Malan,Ngidi,and I could name more. They have more than enough talent to remain a strong side.

I strongly disagree with people who say South African is finished.

Too many young talents to not do well. Migration of talent will slow down as well. Being among the top 2 teams will take time.

 

[ElRaja]

obviously the decline is not immediate, they still have a few world class players. the issue is that they simply arent producing and holding on to enough test quality players.

of the talent op mentioned only de kock and rabada are world class, and they debuted more than 5 years ago. the last test quality specialist batsman south africa produced was faf and elgar, and they debuted nearly 9 years ago.

south africa are a good team because of their professionalism and fitness, but faf will retire soon, leaving elgar as the only specialist test quality batsman if someone from the ranks doesnt step up.

 

[hitthestump]

Cricket could die in South Africa easily.

The talent will always be there. The SA school system produces some of the finest athletes in the world.

But if the administration fails, and the 'Big 3' alienate everyone but eachother, then those athletes will just play something else in future.

Saffers can be world beaters in anything they want but we need them to play cricket for the good of the game.

 

[tyron_woodley]

They beat a full strength Australian side in ODIs who have just beaten the world champions and will beat India who are a top ODI side.

Don't see Sri Lanka,Bangladesh,West Indes , and Pakistan being able to beat Australia in a bilateral ODI series.

South Africa have been awful vs India for the past 4 years. I don't see that changing. But yea absolutely agreed. They are a force and they will easily make it to top 4.

 

[Mamoon]

Regardless of how many times PPers hold the funeral of South African cricket, the fact is that they will remain a stronger and bigger team than the likes of Pakistan, WI, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc.

At home, they will continue to be capable of beating any side including the likes of India, England and Australia.

 

[Hasan123]

South Africa have been awful vs India for the past 4 years. I don't see that changing. But yea absolutely agreed. They are a force and they will easily make it to top 4.

Even Australia and England will struggle to win in India. But hopefully they are able to compete better in India next time they tour.

 

[Savak]

Daryl Cullinan in 2015 expressed his fears over the future of South African Cricket especially life after the likes of ABD, Faf Duplessis, Hashim Amla because in his view the quality of the youngsters in domestic cricket and U19 cricket especially the batsmen coming through were just not good enough to replace the seniors in the national side.

And he was correct, the SA team in 2018-19 was the weakest and most vulnerable looking i have seen in ages. The batting is very shaky and doesn't inspire confidence. Sure they can dominate and bully sub continent teams with fast pacy bouncy wickets at home but they don't have good batsmen, good spinners or all rounders in their ranks and therefore i do not expect them to be as consistent as they once were

 

[hassan918]

They sure will, they have so much natural talent

 

[Bewal Express]

The problem is that when they force average black or non white players into the team for stupid political reasons. International Sport is about competition and not a diversity drive. The problem SA has is that without white players and fans there is no cricket or rugby.

 

[choudhary6964]

Only one player world class that's kagiso rabada who is probably no.1 in all formats .Quinton is very good in shorter formats but not that good in tests.Ngidi and other bowlers are very mediocre and in batting department I don't see spectacular talent.They are mid table team right now and I don't think they are gonna become top team for a while.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

South Africa have administrative problems but that aside it is an absolute myth that they will decline as a cricketing nation. Rabada,De Kock,Norje,Van Der Dussen,,JP Malan,Ngidi,and I could name more. They have more than enough talent to remain a strong side.

I strongly disagree with people who say South African is finished.

Dozens of player that have great fc stats with great strike rate

 

[tyron_woodley]

Only one player world class that's kagiso rabada who is probably no.1 in all formats .Quinton is very good in shorter formats but not that good in tests.Ngidi and other bowlers are very mediocre and in batting department I don't see spectacular talent.They are mid table team right now and I don't think they are gonna become top team for a while.

rabada is very good. An ATG. he is not the best in any format at the moment. You might want to check his average in asia in tests. especially india.

Also his odi record isnt particularly good.

 

[Abdullah Rabbani]

The problem is that when they force average black or non white players into the team for stupid political reasons. International Sport is about competition and not a diversity drive. The problem SA has is that without white players and fans there is no cricket or rugby.

True forcing hacks like temba bavuma to play despite you have beasts waiting for there opportunity

 

[MMHS]

In five years period, SAF has lost these players : AdV, Amla, Styen, Morne, Vernon Phi, JP Dumini - any team will struggle after losing some of the best players of their history.

SAF cricket can only raise from this rock bottom state and they have the young players to make a turn around. Even in their lowest point since 1930s, they are at per with Kiwis and ahead of the rest; will hard complete with other three at home as well.

 

[JibranAnsari]

For the good of cricket , south africa needs to be a force. They produce wonderful fast bowlers and vwry good batsmen , they have been most clinical team in their approach.

 

[Hasan123]

In five years period, SAF has lost these players : AdV, Amla, Styen, Morne, Vernon Phi, JP Dumini - any team will struggle after losing some of the best players of their history.

SAF cricket can only raise from this rock bottom state and they have the young players to make a turn around. Even in their lowest point since 1930s, they are at per with Kiwis and ahead of the rest; will hard complete with other three at home as well.

Yep. It takes time to replace such players but expecting Malan,Rabada,De Kock,Norje, and Van Der Dussen to step up.

 

[Mesozoic]

Honestly I don't see anyone special coming through the ranks in South African country.

Almost all other top countries have atleast 2-3 promising under-23 players coming through the ranks but SAF have none as far as I know. Their u-19 teams these days lose to Afghans and Bangladesh. Don't see them becoming a top-3 side any time soon.

 

[Hasan123]

Honestly I don't see anyone special coming through the ranks in South African country.

Almost all other top countries have atleast 2-3 promising under-23 players coming through the ranks but SAF have none as far as I know. Their u-19 teams these days lose to Afghans and Bangladesh. Don't see them becoming a top-3 side any time soon.

You don't rate JP Malan?

 

[Mesozoic]

You don't rate JP Malan?

You mean Pieter Malan? Isn't he like 30 or something?

 

[Mesozoic]

You don't rate JP Malan?

Oh sorry the other Malan. Yeah, he looks a good player. Played well against Australia earlier this year. Have to see more of him.

 

[Hasan123]

Oh sorry the other Malan. Yeah, he looks a good player. Played well against Australia earlier this year. Have to see more of him.

Yep he did. He is a good young player they have.

 

[Artaxerxes]

South Africa has a long history of producing sportsmen and women.They will always remain a big force in cricket,rugby,tennis and golf.Their football team is not bad either.

 

[aloo paratha]

So South Africa are going even harder on the quota. Only 4 white players to be allowed in the 11 by the next World Cup. I don't see how SA can remain competitive for at least the first half of this decade with policies like this. England and New Zealand must be licking their lips though.

 

[tyron_woodley]

My saffer boys would still butcher Australia in Australia in odi.

 

[Thunderbolt14]

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So South Africa are going even harder on the quota. Only 4 white players to be allowed in the 11 by the next World Cup. I don't see how SA can remain competitive for at least the first half of this decade with policies like this. England and New Zealand must be licking their lips though.

Picture seems like a forecast, rather than a hard quota. Are you sure?

 

[Cric_lover4487]

They are losing players to Kolpak deals. Can't blame any players.

 

[Mobashir]

That's probably the most unfortunate thing going around in world cricket.
They truly produce the most talented cricketers and we are seeing such a decline due to politics.

I really can't see anything change in their case, it's an helpless situation. Quite sure SA cricket will die in a decade or two if nothing changes.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Rabada
Steyn
Donald

That is their all time great attack. ROFL. Imagine? Best ever easily in seaming condtions. Add Philander for Sena as well

 

[Sir-fraz]

Quotas never help anyone. Everyone should be picked by merit

 

[silentkiller187]

Brexit may help them, lots of kolpak players coming back, im all for equality but the quota system needs to go aswell, more harm than good.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

This South African side is looking like a pale imitation of Proteas sides from yesteryears. Yes, they will remain competitive, and even formidable at home against Asian sides . But I'm not so sure if they will be able to beat Australia and New Zealand in their own backyard.

Also, de Kock as captain feels like a misfire. I would have continued with Faf or given it to someone who is expected to take over down the line like Aiden Markram.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

In five years period, SAF has lost these players : AdV, Amla, Styen, Morne, Vernon Phi, JP Dumini - any team will struggle after losing some of the best players of their history.

SAF cricket can only raise from this rock bottom state and they have the young players to make a turn around. Even in their lowest point since 1930s, they are at per with Kiwis and ahead of the rest; will hard complete with other three at home as well.

Kiwis are probably one of the Top 2 teams in the world. In Tests and ODIs. High time people stopped underrating them. They are a much better side than South Africa in all formats.

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

Regardless of how many times PPers hold the funeral of South African cricket, the fact is that they will remain a stronger and bigger team than the likes of Pakistan, WI, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc.

At home, they will continue to be capable of beating any side including the likes of India, England and Australia.

That may be true but what exactly has South Africa accomplished since the heydey of Smith and co, when they reached the top of the test rankings? Besides that series win in Australia in 2016,there is not much to speak of.

Even Pakistan has a Champions Trophy to show for.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Kiwis are probably one of the Top 2 teams in the world. In Tests and ODIs. High time people stopped underrating them. They are a much better side than South Africa in all formats.

They haven't won sh*t away from home though. Phainta vs Aussies. Phainta vs saffers. Phainta vs India if they travel.

 

[MMHS]

Kiwis are probably one of the Top 2 teams in the world. In Tests and ODIs. High time people stopped underrating them. They are a much better side than South Africa in all formats.

But, people are underrating SAF even more, though they are still an excellent team - just that they don’t play that many soft games. Here in PP, I have read comments like “... apart from Rabada & Kock, none from this SAF will make Pakistan’s C team...” sort of staff, and PP is still trying to level them in lower tier, diluting with others. They beat Australia in an ODI series few months back and let them play against PAK, SRL, WIN, BD, AFG & ZIM in plenty .... SAF will crash them most times - Test, ODI or T20.

 

[Heisenberg111]

But, people are underrating SAF even more, though they are still an excellent team - just that they don’t play that many soft games. Here in PP, I have read comments like “... apart from Rabada & Kock, none from this SAF will make Pakistan’s C team...” sort of staff, and PP is still trying to level them in lower tier, diluting with others. They beat Australia in an ODI series few months back and let them play against PAK, SRL, WIN, BD, AFG & ZIM in plenty .... SAF will crash them most times - Test, ODI or T20.

You sure about that? Last time I checked SA lost to SRL 0-4 (home and away) in test cricket. WIN was probably gonna beat them too in the Caribbean. They were lucky that series got cancelled due to Covid.

 

[Rana]

The white privilege will always be a force. Basically.

 

[MMHS]

You sure about that? Last time I checked SA lost to SRL 0-4 (home and away) in test cricket. WIN was probably gonna beat them too in the Caribbean. They were lucky that series got cancelled due to Covid.

That was the biggest surprise in history- SRL beating SAF in SAF 2-0, while every non Asian team will find it tough in SRL; PAK lost to them 2-0 in UAE. And, current WIN under Holder can beat many other teams at home including NZ, England & Pakistan.

Overall, at present SAF & NZ are in the middle - behind top three & above bottom half, this is when SAF cricket is at its lowest point in many decades.

 

[Heisenberg111]

That was the biggest surprise in history- SRL beating SAF in SAF 2-0, while every non Asian team will find it tough in SRL; PAK lost to them 2-0 in UAE. And, current WIN under Holder can beat many other teams at home including NZ, England & Pakistan.

Overall, at present SAF & NZ are in the middle - behind top three & above bottom half, this is when SAF cricket is at its lowest point in many decades.

NZL is clearly a better team than SA at present, they are formidable at home and have done well in Asia too.

 

[tyron_woodley]

That was the biggest surprise in history- SRL beating SAF in SAF 2-0, while every non Asian team will find it tough in SRL; PAK lost to them 2-0 in UAE. And, current WIN under Holder can beat many other teams at home including NZ, England & Pakistan.

Overall, at present SAF & NZ are in the middle - behind top three & above bottom half, this is when SAF cricket is at its lowest point in many decades.

Ab retired
No Steyn
No Amla

Hence they lost to Lanka.
Saffers are still a monster side in odi when they are on. Good in tests too.

 

[Heisenberg111]

Ab retired
No Steyn
No Amla

Hence they lost to Lanka.
Saffers are still a monster side in odi when they are on. Good in tests too.

Amla and Steyn were playing that series. Plz check before posting.

 

[silentkiller187]

That may be true but what exactly has South Africa accomplished since the heydey of Smith and co, when they reached the top of the test rankings? Besides that series win in Australia in 2016,there is not much to speak of.

Even Pakistan has a Champions Trophy to show for.

Nothing, serial chokers weak mentality, on par with PAK, people love over rating them because of ABD , need to take off the nostalgia tainted glasses.

 

[Rana]

Hopefully this doesn’t become another banter thread )

 

[Mamoon]

South Africa can very easily join NZ as the 4th best team and be a real handful at home against any side.

They are actually still very good but they do not get a lot of soft matches against small teams like Pakistan, Sri Lanka, West Indies, Bangladesh, Afghanistan, Zimbabwe etc.

They are mostly playing the likes of England, Australia, India etc., and currently they do not have the experience to topple them unless the big guns like QdK, Rabada etc. pull off something special.

 

[Ab Fan]

It is a sad demise for South Africa.

World Cup 2019, Test Championship, Home test series Vs Sri Lanka and England and these bilaterals in between. It has been a terrible past two years for them.

 

[Mamoon]

People also need to understand that South Africa is operating with the quota handicap.

The black South African cricketers will develop but at the moment they are not on par with the whites except a select few who went to cricket schools.

You watch this Sipamla guy bowl and you realize how underutilized South African resources are at the moment.

Then there is Bavuma who is opening the innings when Rossouw and Ingram are sitting at home.

 

[Hasan123]

This series was more about England's quality than South Africa. South Africa definitely have issues but I will give credit to England for being better in all departments.

 

[shah_1]

SA bowling has been trash

Tahir is being missed the most

 

[Hasan123]

Pakistan fans talking about South African cricket being in trouble, imagine how much trouble a team who has won 3 bilateral ODI series against top teams since 2005 is in. Not even gonna talk about their embarrassing performance in Australia and South Africa in recent years. Same Pakistan who lost in all formats to this South African side last year and lost to them in T20s when they were ranked number one LOL.

 

[aloo paratha]

Pakistan fans talking about South African cricket being in trouble, imagine how much trouble a team who has won 3 bilateral ODI series against top teams since 2005 is in. Not even gonna talk about their embarrassing performance in Australia and South Africa in recent years. Same Pakistan who lost in all formats to this South African side last year and lost to them in T20s when they were ranked number one LOL.

If you're talking about white ball cricket only many South Africans will trade their records in the last 15 years with ours. We've been poor in bilateral cricket but we've still managed to win a T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. Nobody cares too much about bilateral series. last time South Africa tasted an ICC trophy was 1998.

 

[Hasan123]

If you're talking about white ball cricket only many South Africans will trade their records in the last 15 years with ours. We've been poor in bilateral cricket but we've still managed to win a T20 World Cup and Champions Trophy. Nobody cares too much about bilateral series. last time South Africa tasted an ICC trophy was 1998.

Of course bilateral cricket now becomes meaningless because it suits your agenda.

Yes South Africa have been poor in tournaments but they usually beat us in bilaterals. Which tells you who is the better team.

In tests , it's not even a contest who has been the better team.

 

[aloo paratha]

Of course bilateral cricket now becomes meaningless because it suits your agenda.

Yes South Africa have been poor in tournaments but they usually beat us in bilaterals. Which tells you who is the better team.

In tests , it's not even a contest who has been the better team.

I have always maintained that bilateral limited over games are meaningless. They're just preparation for the tournament. That's also why I supported the ICCs decision to have a ICC tournament every year.

 

[Hasan123]

I have always maintained that bilateral limited over games are meaningless. They're just preparation for the tournament. That's also why I supported the ICCs decision to have a ICC tournament every year.

Go look at a reddit thread that was made today, the post was titled "103 seconds of South Africa choking in the 2015 WC semi". Go look at the replies in that thread, you're telling me that they wouldn't trade winning random ODI series' for ICC trophies? Nice joke.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said SA wouldn't trade a WC win for win for bilateral performances.

You are saying international cricket games don't matter unless it's the WC. Which is not true. You still want to perform and win games for your country.

 

[aloo paratha]

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I never said SA wouldn't trade a WC win for win for bilateral performances.

You are saying international cricket games don't matter unless it's the WC. Which is not true. You still want to perform and win games for your country.

Ok my bad for putting words in your mouth, but you also put words in mine. I never said the do not matter at all. I said "Nobody cares too much about bilateral series" and that "they are preparation for world tournaments", so obviously they matter, but not near the amount the WC games do.

Obviously you'd still want your team to win whenever they play and whoever they play against.

 

[Rana]

Tough, tough times

Now they have to play 3 ODIs against England without Rabada. Abhi shayad aur Zaleel hona hai.

 

[szrana007]

Pakistan fans talking about South African cricket being in trouble, imagine how much trouble a team who has won 3 bilateral ODI series against top teams since 2005 is in. Not even gonna talk about their embarrassing performance in Australia and South Africa in recent years. Same Pakistan who lost in all formats to this South African side last year and lost to them in T20s when they were ranked number one LOL.

Who cares about LOI series, lol ? In LOI cricket only WC, CT and Wt20 matter, otherwise its only the test cricket that counts and Pakistan have won test series against every team they have played in the last decade except South Africa.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I have always maintained that bilateral limited over games are meaningless. They're just preparation for the tournament. That's also why I supported the ICCs decision to have a ICC tournament every year.

Pretty much this however if both teams are at full strength and still get wrecked in bilaterals right before the WC then the team that won is obviously better regardless whether they lose a crucial one off game in the WC or not. Timing, full strength team matters.

 

[Suleiman]

SAF shot themselves in the foot with this quota crap. Pick players on quality and merit... sigh. Another quality team going down the path of mediocrity despite having talent pool and resources.

 

[shah_1]

Lol we beat SA 2009 T20 WC semi final
2010 T20 WC 2010 group stages
2012 T20 WC group stages
2015 cwc group stages
2017 CT group stages
2019 Cwc group stages

Some jokers here )

 

[Savak]

Have never seen such a poor SA team before. This team is a far cry from the one which had so many match winning quality players in the 90's to early 2018.

Kolpak has definately hurt them big time and then failing to plan for life after the exodus of so many key players was another problem though no country has the right to an eternal supply of match winning talent.

Darryl Cullinan raised alarm balls in 2015 on the state of SA Cricket when the senior national side was drunk and high on the performances of ABD, Hashim Amla, Steyn, Morkel and Co because he was concerned at the lack of quality in the U19 teams, A teams and the domestic cricket and he knew that the fringe domestic, u19 players were not going to be good enough to replace the seniors in the next few years. Lol who is the smart and dumb one now?