Yeah everyone's a mystery spinner these days, apparently people forget what traditional spinners (offie or leggie) used to look like back in the day. The Mendis' & Narine's of this world have made mystery spin as some sort of a big thing, when in fact regular spinners will always outlast them in the long run.
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Spin battle - Kuldeep Yadav v Shadab Khan v Mason Crane
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This isn't the googly. It would be a googly (the opposite of a legspinner) if a leggie (right arm wrist-spinner) was bowling but this is the conventional Chinaman delivery.
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Yeah, I made this comment after watching the first delivery.
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An interesting thing to notice about Kuldeep is that even while Bowling his variations his pace doesn't change much.
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An old MCC definition of a googly is that it is a ball that turns in the opposite direction from what batsmen expects.
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I personally think the terms should be different. Chinaman's googly should be called wrong'un. But then, you would also need another name for a SLA's doosra.
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Yadavs bowling is coming on leaps and bounds;The guy has incredible control and turns the ball miles. Shadab struggled in NZ but overall has made great strides. Over to Crane to what he can do this summer.
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Safe to say Kukdeep won this battle
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PP has comparison threads for all players!!!
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Mamoon pointed out there was a comparison thread for stokes vs hasan ali.
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Hopefully, he can fill the void of Ashwin in long run. Does he deserve to play test matches in SENA? He probably does but so do Jadeja and Sundar.
This thread tells us how complex wristspin is.
Various paths of all 3 leggies in last 8 years have been like snakes and ladders game.
Kuldeep has broken and rebuilt his action up after stagnating and come back a very different operator. Big credit to ICT centre of excellence support.
Shadab action has been broken down by injury and technical flaws and unable to be corrected because of league treadmill
Crane was broken down by injuries and then underutilized by his county which led to him never growing as a bowler
Various paths of all 3 leggies in last 8 years have been like snakes and ladders game.
Kuldeep has broken and rebuilt his action up after stagnating and come back a very different operator. Big credit to ICT centre of excellence support.
Shadab action has been broken down by injury and technical flaws and unable to be corrected because of league treadmill
Crane was broken down by injuries and then underutilized by his county which led to him never growing as a bowler
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He has been much better but nowhere the level the early promise suggested. Decent career but on good test wickets, he looks OK. The other 2,well lets not talk about them
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Career went nowhere- what a waste
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what happened to Crane? He was very highly wasn't he but he didn't have a career at all.
England used to be known for not being able to develop leg spinners, but Crane's FC looks woeful too.
Was the other young spinner from Lancashire you mentioned in the thread, Matt Parkinson. They gave him a few overs in a test and then never picked him again.
England used to be known for not being able to develop leg spinners, but Crane's FC looks woeful too.
Was the other young spinner from Lancashire you mentioned in the thread, Matt Parkinson. They gave him a few overs in a test and then never picked him again.
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I always thought he was pretty rubbish. Lacked any kind of control. Also, when you have a debut like that...in the Ashes, it's very hard to come back from that. See: Tom Curran
I think his figures for the match were 1-190 or something. I can't time of too many worse bowling debuts than that in recent times
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This thread may seem funny now but Shadab had a ton of potential back then, and his early record in white-ball was very good. But it just goes to show how much you need to evolve and adapt in modern day cricket. Something Shadab has failed to do.
Kuldeep at one point not to long ago was completely found out and being slapped around like government mule by every IPL team. India had dropped him from the national team completely. But look at the way he has bounced back in the past two years in every format.
That's what separates the best players from the mediocre ones. Everyone suffers different setbacks, but it's how you bounce back from those setbacks that matters.
Kuldeep at one point not to long ago was completely found out and being slapped around like government mule by every IPL team. India had dropped him from the national team completely. But look at the way he has bounced back in the past two years in every format.
That's what separates the best players from the mediocre ones. Everyone suffers different setbacks, but it's how you bounce back from those setbacks that matters.
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Might have been a valid comparison when this thread was made, but not now. India is lucky to have Kuldeep.
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In Tests,I dont think he looks anything better than OK against decent bats.
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Stats say otherwise. He did really well against bazball England on flat pitches. Was also good in the one test he played in Sydney on a flat wicket taking a 5fer.
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8 wickets so far on an absolute patta.
68 wickets @ 21.35 now. Insane numbers for a spinner.
Great article about him:
68 wickets @ 21.35 now. Insane numbers for a spinner.
Great article about him:
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Quality strike bowler but often gets hit when put under pressure. I prefer bowlers who stay economical when they are not picking wickets.
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