Stallions (271/7) defeat Dolphins (97) comprehensively by 174 runs to register their second win of the Champions One-Day Cup 2024

[salman24]

What do you think @salman24 ?

what you think but why not have a go?

The thing that some posters fail to understand is that every team has player's with certain roles. Babar does not play the role of Klaasen or Head. Overall he is more consistent in every format but they each have their own value. Babar wins games with his own style and he is crucial to his team. He does not have the power game that those players have but they can't be as consistent as him. People like Asif Ali might win you 1/10 games but Babar will win you the other 9/10.

That being said you need quality hitters along with Babar in the side but Babar is indispensable. We have 1 world class batsman and we need to preserve him but at the same time we do need some quality hitters which we lack like Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Afridi int he past. If everyone plays like Afridi we will lose most games but we need 1 or 2 players like that in the side. Babar is key as without him we lack quality and consistency.

 

[mominsaigol]

@Rana Travis head right now is on 78 not out, has hit 11 boundaries and 3 sixes, meaning 62 of his 78 is boundaries.

Compare that to how Babar played today

 

[Rana]

The thing that some posters fail to understand is that every team has player's with certain roles. Babar does not play the role of Klaasen or Head. Overall he is more consistent in every format but they each have their own value. Babar wins games with his own style and he is crucial to his team. He does not have the power game that those players have but they can't be as consistent as him. People like Asif Ali might win you 1/10 games but Babar will win you the other 9/10.

That being said you need quality hitters along with Babar in the side but Babar is indispensable. We have 1 world class batsman and we need to preserve him but at the same time we do need some quality hitters which we lack like Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Afridi int he past. If everyone plays like Afridi we will lose most games but we need 1 or 2 players like that in the side. Babar is key as without him we lack quality and consistency.

So why do you have an issue when I say Babar’s 5th gear as as good as Klaasen or Head’s 2nd gear? Did I say something that is wrong? You yourself admitted what I have been saying. Why have an issue with me giving an apt description of Babar’s batting?

 

[mominsaigol]

The thing that some posters fail to understand is that every team has player's with certain roles. Babar does not play the role of Klaasen or Head. Overall he is more consistent in every format but they each have their own value. Babar wins games with his own style and he is crucial to his team. He does not have the power game that those players have but they can't be as consistent as him. People like Asif Ali might win you 1/10 games but Babar will win you the other 9/10.

That being said you need quality hitters along with Babar in the side but Babar is indispensable. We have 1 world class batsman and we need to preserve him but at the same time we do need some quality hitters which we lack like Abdul Razzaq and Shahid Afridi int he past. If everyone plays like Afridi we will lose most games but we need 1 or 2 players like that in the side. Babar is key as without him we lack quality and consistency.

What are you even on about? Travis head is a 100× more consistent then Babar. Babar, Imam and rizwan have achieved their avg through stat padding against weaker sides.

I'd literally posted a numbers analysis, out of babar's 19 odi centuries only 5 of them were achieved against a side playing full strength and not c string and that was

A) NZ 2019
B) England 2021 2x
C) SA 2021
D) Australia 2017

Besides NZ he lost all of em? SA was won by tail enders?

Babar's avg while facing full strength is 33? Travis is 42?

 

[salman24]

So why do you have an issue when I say Babar’s 5th gear as as good as Klaasen or Head’s 2nd gear? Did I say something that is wrong? You yourself admitted what I have been saying. Why have an issue with me giving an apt description of Babar’s batting?

Nothing wrong with that statement except you ignore how the consistency of the 2 players. I can say Javed Miandad's 5th gear is as good as Shahid Afridi's 2nd gear. However, real cricket fans will know the quality of the 2 players and that statement is meant to mislead people. There is nothing wrong with your statement by itself but taking into context your agenda is the issue.

 

[Rana]

Nothing wrong with that statement except you ignore how the consistency of the 2 players. I can say Javed Miandad's 5th gear is as good as Shahid Afridi's 2nd gear. However, real cricket fans will know the quality of the 2 players and that statement is meant to mislead people. There is nothing wrong with your statement by itself but taking into context your agenda is the issue.

My agenda is to give context to these runs/wickets when comparing to international standards. I was watching Babar’s batting at the back end. A guy who has 19 ODI tons, over 5k international runs only being able to put away slot balls for 6 having been at the crease for over 30 overs….

It means your big man isn’t really a big man is he?

 

[mominsaigol]

Nothing wrong with that statement except you ignore how the consistency of the 2 players. I can say Javed Miandad's 5th gear is as good as Shahid Afridi's 2nd gear. However, real cricket fans will know the quality of the 2 players and that statement is meant to mislead people. There is nothing wrong with your statement by itself but taking into context your agenda is the issue.

Miandad and afridi aren't comparable because Miandad 1986 innings alone is superior to anything any pakistani batter has ever done.

Similarly Travis head century in a final against a gun Indian bowling attack on a difficult pitch is > Anything babar can ever do?

 

[salman24]

What are you even on about? Travis head is a 100× more consistent then Babar. Babar, Imam and rizwan have achieved their avg through stat padding against weaker sides.

I'd literally posted a numbers analysis, out of babar's 19 odi centuries only 5 of them were achieved against a side playing full strength and not c string and that was

A) NZ 2019
B) England 2021 2x
C) SA 2021
D) Australia 2017

Besides NZ he lost all of em? SA was won by tail enders?

Babar's avg while facing full strength is 33? Travis is 42

"What are you on about?"

Instead of making intelligent arguments you can just make statements like that to try to make yourself look cool. Cherrypick all the stats you want. Out of Babar's 19 centuries Pakistan have won 15 games, tied 1 and lost 3. That is an amazing stat!

The 19 Centuries

5 vs West Indies
3 vs. Australia
3 Vs. Sri Lanka
2 vs. England
2 vs. New Zealand
2 vs. Zimbabwe
1 vs. South Africa
1 vs. Nepal

Most top bowlers rank him as the hardest batsman to bowl to like Pat Cummins. Some people will say whatever to try to prove their useless point. I am talking facts and not just picking random numbers and talking about subjective things

 

[mominsaigol]

"What are you on about?"

Instead of making intelligent arguments you can just make statements like that to try to make yourself look cool. Cherrypick all the stats you want. Out of Babar's 19 centuries Pakistan have won 15 games, tied 1 and lost 3. That is an amazing stat!

The 19 Centuries

5 vs West Indies
3 vs. Australia
3 Vs. Sri Lanka
2 vs. England
2 vs. New Zealand
2 vs. Zimbabwe
1 vs. South Africa
1 vs. Nepal

Most top bowlers rank him as the hardest batsman to bowl to like Pat Cummins. Some people will say whatever to try to prove their useless point. I am talking facts and not just picking random numbers and talking about subjective things

I'm not cherry picking, 2 of these centuries against australia were C string. Against full strength australia he has been extremely extremely poor.

1 of his NZ centuries came against C string NZ last year in 2023 in pindi, Travis head would have bombarded that attack on such a pitch.

Zimbabwe and West Indies is club level bowling and most top players don't even send teams agaiant these 2 for example kphli hardly bothers playing against Zimbabwe unless it's an icc event.

Forget and forgoe bobby, don't make me pull up his 2022 wc stat

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Babar Azam made his 30th List-A century, becoming the first Pakistan batter to register 30 or more List-A centuries. Allied Bank Stallions defeated Engro Dolphins by 174 runs at the Iqbal Stadium in Faisalabad on 19 September 2024 as Stallions qualified for the playoffs.

The Dolphins failed to chase a total as they followed their previous score of 192 all out by 97 all out in pursuit of the 272-run target.

Stallions qualified for the playoff stage with two out of three wins, along with UMT Markhors and Lake City Panthers. Lions and Dolphins are fighting for the fourth place in the playoff stage and will face each other on 22 September. Babar hit an unbeaten 104 off 100 balls, including seven fours and three sixes, including a boundary on the penultimate ball of the innings.

Stallions won the toss and elected to bat first, with Shan and Yasir providing a solid opening partnership of 76 runs before falling in 13th and 17th overs, respectively. Babar and Tayyab stitched a 57-run third-wicket partnership before the latter fell in the 30th over. Husaain Talat contributed 23 off 25 balls with two fours while also adding 46 with Babar for the fifth wicket.

Jahandad's three-wicket burst left Dolphins at 40-3 before the other bowlers struck at regular intervals as they lost the remaining seven wickets for just 57 runs. Abrar Ahmed dismissed the top scorers for Dolphins, Sahibzada Farhan and Asif Ali, while Haris Rauf bagged two wickets as well.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

 

[Bewal Express]

Let's hope Babar gets his form and confidence back because the other guys are mostly useless. Not a single a young has shown any real talent or performance and we are where we were.

 

[salman24]

I'm not cherry picking, 2 of these centuries against australia were C string. Against full strength australia he has been extremely extremely poor.

1 of his NZ centuries came against C string NZ last year in 2023 in pindi, Travis head would have bombarded that attack on such a pitch.

Zimbabwe and West Indies is club level bowling and most top players don't even send teams agaiant these 2 for example kphli hardly bothers playing against Zimbabwe unless it's an icc event.

Forget and forgoe bobby, don't make me pull up his 2022 wc stat

Look at his overall career. He's a champion that ungrateful Pakistani fans don't deserve.

2022 WC stat? Oh so you want to cherry pick again. Why not pull Inzi's 2003 World Cup stats. That proves nothing. Inzi was a legend and Babar is gonna be one of the greatest players to play for Pakistan too!

 

[mominsaigol]

Look at his overall career. He's a champion that ungrateful Pakistani fans don't deserve.

2022 WC stat? Oh so you want to cherry pick again. Why not pull Inzi's 2003 World Cup stats. That proves nothing. Inzi was a legend and Babar is gonna be one of the greatest players to play for Pakistan too!

Babar isn't even top 10 batters for pakistan.

He's a horrible batter who hasn't ever pulled through for pakistan meanwhile fakhar has. People forget that haris sohail was the one who won the NZ game whereas baabr's stat padding nature would have lost it.

If you filter properly and view his stats when the opposition was at full strength he only averages 33 which is slightly > his avg against India in odi's and that's because India is the one team Babar has never had the privilege to play their b to c string against.

Compare that to Yousaf who at no 3 playing full strength teams averages 53 at sr of 85, to top it off all of yousaf 15 centuries, 10 of them have been not outs where he's personally taken pakistan over the line each time against a full strength attack.

Babar gets credit in that unlike most pakistani players who are minnow level, Babar can at the very least anchor ans score against b to c sides against a b to c string attack whereas even c string bowlers make most pakistani batters look like tail enders.

Besides Babar the only other batter who can stat pad against weak sides is Imam, rizwan, and in the past it use to be haris sohail, Malik, Fakhar, Azhar Ali and Hafeez who could anchor and in fakhar's case(when he was inform) butcher full strength attacks easily.

Babar can only pad against c stei g attack with 2021 India and 2019 nz + 2021 eng being his outlier innings which happens. Even Shan masood has an outlier test innings against England.

Babar is a very very mediocre batter who has been hyped up in the same vein as Misbah by ramiz raja mainly because he's medicore surrounded by batters who are crap while Someone like saeed Anwar was surrounded by amazing batters.

Babar isn't even half the batter ijaz Ahmed was, but ijaz doesn't get the same recognition because unlike bobby ijaz had superior batters like miandad in his time where Babar is usually batting with crapola's like azam kham, Shadab Khan etc

 

[adi_62941]

How stupid was saifi when he wanted to make a prime batsmen stay at crease until the end. Thats why i say that CT2017 win was a biggest fluke and done so much damage to our cricket.

 

[MHN1293]

Babar isn't even top 10 batters for pakistan.

He's a horrible batter who hasn't ever pulled through for pakistan meanwhile fakhar has. People forget that haris sohail was the one who won the NZ game whereas baabr's stat padding nature would have lost it.

If you filter properly and view his stats when the opposition was at full strength he only averages 33 which is slightly > his avg against India in odi's and that's because India is the one team Babar has never had the privilege to play their b to c string against.

Compare that to Yousaf who at no 3 playing full strength teams averages 53 at sr of 85, to top it off all of yousaf 15 centuries, 10 of them have been not outs where he's personally taken pakistan over the line each time against a full strength attack.

Babar gets credit in that unlike most pakistani players who are minnow level, Babar can at the very least anchor ans score against b to c sides against a b to c string attack whereas even c string bowlers make most pakistani batters look like tail enders.

Besides Babar the only other batter who can stat pad against weak sides is Imam, rizwan, and in the past it use to be haris sohail, Malik, Fakhar, Azhar Ali and Hafeez who could anchor and in fakhar's case(when he was inform) butcher full strength attacks easily.

Babar can only pad against c stei g attack with 2021 India and 2019 nz + 2021 eng being his outlier innings which happens. Even Shan masood has an outlier test innings against England.

Babar is a very very mediocre batter who has been hyped up in the same vein as Misbah by ramiz raja mainly because he's medicore surrounded by batters who are crap while Someone like saeed Anwar was surrounded by amazing batters.

Babar isn't even half the batter ijaz Ahmed was, but ijaz doesn't get the same recognition because unlike bobby ijaz had superior batters like miandad in his time where Babar is usually batting with crapola's like azam kham, Shadab Khan etc

Agreed. Babar should have gotten out early and let haris sohail score a legendary 175 run knock. Babars century was useless, he only robbed haris of more runs with his statpadding nature.
Also please try to not get too clouded by your bias against Babar in your criticism. Ijaz ahmad who avgs 23 in worldcups with 500 runs is better than Babar who made 470 in his first attempt .
Inzimam who is considered top 3 pakistani odi batters has a 24 avg in worldcups with 700 runs. Babar has 800 in 2. Muhammad yousuf avgs 32 with a sr of 70 and less than 400 runs in the 2000s. Out of all our legends the only ones who have truly performed at odi worldcups are javed miandad and saeed anwar. But ig babar is worse than rameez raja

 

[mominsaigol]

Agreed. Babar should have gotten out early and let haris sohail score a legendary 175 run knock. Babars century was useless, he only robbed haris of more runs with his statpadding nature.
Also please try to not get too clouded by your bias against Babar in your criticism. Ijaz ahmad who avgs 23 in worldcups with 500 runs is better than Babar who made 470 in his first attempt .
Inzimam who is considered top 3 pakistani odi batters has a 24 avg in worldcups with 700 runs. Babar has 800 in 2. Muhammad yousuf avgs 32 with a sr of 70 and less than 400 runs in the 2000s. Out of all our legends the only ones who have truly performed at odi worldcups are javed miandad and saeed anwar. But ig babar is worse than rameez raja

Babar bats in a significantly easier era then those other that youve mentioned and those other batters come from a time when bikaterals were taken seriously.

The old PP rules + the one ball which would make middle and death overs extremely difficult was a different time from now where 400+ scores are struck here and their.

Now for 2019, No one said that babar's innings isn't good, it was a good innings but by it self it's a match losing one due to its state pad nature. 2 years prior he played a similar innings against australia and lost the game, Haris sohail's blistering knock was needed for Babar to win that game, otherwise without haris, Babar qould have been scolded at for what he played.

As for Ijaz, Ijaz under achieved in his career, However in the first half of his career he averaged 50 agaiant wi and aus which were the 2 strongest teams of that era in test in their very own den dealing with a mighty bowling attack while Babar is a walking wicket in Australia, in odi ijaz has played proper impact innings like 140 of 87 in lahore which is beyond babar's caliber.

Yousaf underachieved in world cups, However not only was it a harder era, Yousaf was a terrific middle order batter especially against spin, he has a terrific record at no 3 and one of his best qualities was that when he scored a century he would 90% of the time remain not out and take the side hone unlike babar who vanished against aus and sa.

Then you have inzi who's 1992 sf knock is superior to Babar and his entire career. Inzi has 80+ 50's batting in the most difficult batting era.

Babar is an extremely poor batter and idk how many of his garnage test knocks vs Bangladesh and Australia, his horrible world cup runs such as 2022, 2023, Asia Cup and his horrific bilateral knocks against minnows like NZ c team or Afghanistan series you need to convince yourself that he is a medicore batter who has hyped up by ramiz.

First he was the answer to kohli, then he was the fab 4, and now he's their because we don't have anyone else? What's the next story? He has a broken bat? He's depressed? Doesn't have a wife?

 

[MHN1293]

Babar bats in a significantly easier era then those other that youve mentioned and those other batters come from a time when bikaterals were taken seriously.

The old PP rules + the one ball which would make middle and death overs extremely difficult was a different time from now where 400+ scores are struck here and their.

Now for 2019, No one said that babar's innings isn't good, it was a good innings but by it self it's a match losing one due to its state pad nature. 2 years prior he played a similar innings against australia and lost the game, Haris sohail's blistering knock was needed for Babar to win that game, otherwise without haris, Babar qould have been scolded at for what he played.

As for Ijaz, Ijaz under achieved in his career, However in the first half of his career he averaged 50 agaiant wi and aus which were the 2 strongest teams of that era in test in their very own den dealing with a mighty bowling attack while Babar is a walking wicket in Australia, in odi ijaz has played proper impact innings like 140 of 87 in lahore which is beyond babar's caliber.

Yousaf underachieved in world cups, However not only was it a harder era, Yousaf was a terrific middle order batter especially against spin, he has a terrific record at no 3 and one of his best qualities was that when he scored a century he would 90% of the time remain not out and take the side hone unlike babar who vanished against aus and sa.

Then you have inzi who's 1992 sf knock is superior to Babar and his entire career. Inzi has 80+ 50's batting in the most difficult batting era.

Babar is an extremely poor batter and idk how many of his garnage test knocks vs Bangladesh and Australia, his horrible world cup runs such as 2022, 2023, Asia Cup and his horrific bilateral knocks against minnows like NZ c team or Afghanistan series you need to convince yourself that he is a medicore batter who has hyped up by ramiz.

First he was the answer to kohli, then he was the fab 4, and now he's their because we don't have anyone else? What's the next story? He has a broken bat? He's depressed? Doesn't have a wife?

I'm sorry but a difficult era is not an excuse to be avging 20. Was it so much difficult that you rush to defend such an abyssmal record but berate babar avging 50 at worldcups.
As for babars innings it wasn't a match losing innings at all considering they won the match and he was motm... Pakistan would have lost if either haris or Babar got out which makes both their innings match winning. And the innings against Australia was chasing 350 if that's the one you are talking about and this was chasing 230 so I don't know how u can even compare the two
That's like saying virat kohlis t20 final innings was a match losing one if bumrah didn't clutch up at the end.
You also can't use once in a lifetime innings to justify a batsmen being better than the other. Glenn maxwell an otherwise ordinary batsmen might asw be the goat for his 200.
Inzi having one good knock in 30 matches in the world also can't justify the other disastrous performances.
My point isn't Babar fab 4 better than kohli blah blah like people claim nor is he an extremely poor batsmen like others claim

 

[Josh]

Pakistan's batters are mentally weak. They do have basic skills but the minute you put them in pressure, they explode. It's not like Dolphins had to chase a target of 350.

 

[mominsaigol]

I'm sorry but a difficult era is not an excuse to be avging 20. Was it so much difficult that you rush to defend such an abyssmal record but berate babar avging 50 at worldcups.
As for babars innings it wasn't a match losing innings at all considering they won the match and he was motm... Pakistan would have lost if either haris or Babar got out which makes both their innings match winning. And the innings against Australia was chasing 350 if that's the one you are talking about and this was chasing 230 so I don't know how u can even compare the two
That's like saying virat kohlis t20 final innings was a match losing one if bumrah didn't clutch up at the end.
You also can't use once in a lifetime innings to justify a batsmen being better than the other. Glenn maxwell an otherwise ordinary batsmen might asw be the goat for his 200.
Inzi having one good knock in 30 matches in the world also can't justify the other disastrous performances.
My point isn't Babar fab 4 better than kohli blah blah like people claim nor is he an extremely poor batsmen like others claim

That's why innings matter, In 2023 wc Babar was utterly pathetic so much so that his own teammates performed better then he did, Almost every player in that cup be it kphli, Quinton, labu, Travis, Warner, Marsh etc performed significantly better then him including fakhar, Abdullah and Rizwan.

In 2019 he vanished in every game where he was needed except for 2019 innings, as for the final of 2024, Bumrah is the one who carried 100%, kohli's innings was pathetic, he was a passenger throughout the cup and his final innings was an accumulative one, the bowlers had to bowl put of their skins to win the game for him. All the batters who failed around him were rubbish.

As for the extremly poorly batsmen claim, look at his asia cup 2022 performance, his 2022 wc t20 performance, His 2023 wc performance, his 2023 asia cup performance where he was memes as Nepal E Azam, his 2024 t20 wc performance, his Australia and Bangladesh test performance etc, how do you explain that?

Also idkw you're fixated on world cups to justify a point and focus on this angle only. Ik you just started watching cricket but in the old era bilaterals were taken very seriously, because their was no league and at the time this was the source of cricket, test and pdi bilaterals,

Some of Inzi's best innings againat India come from here, so does Most of Yousaf's performance as well as Ijaz Ahmed. Ijaz averaging 50 against australia in Australia in test while Babar is A meme in test in his own home ground and just flunked agaisnt australia in their own den is sufficient evidence.

Babar is extremly extremly lucky that early on in his career he faced the likes of Zimbabwe, Sri lanka (2018 C side) and West Indies which were club level amd mickey gave him the push and babar made full use of this, however even in 2017 fans were questioning if Babar was next gen or if he was just an accumulator because he more or less was a passenger and a soft scorer during ct 2017 as well as his australia 100 being a pathetic innings.

Similarly 2018 was a horrible time for pakistan in odi but fortunately for Babar by 2019 he played agaisnt C string australia and capitalised again and finally in wc 2019 played his best innings against nz which was followed by his best innings against India in t20.

However after the covid era ended and sides recently started playing full strengths with even minnows like Afghanistan forcing sides to take themselves seriously, Almost every international team has found Babar out.

He is an extremely poor player of the backfoot, has a non existent backlift and can't read the googly for the life of him, further more fast pacers like rana and wood just get rid of him easily, he also has a pathetic technique against anything that's bowled on the 3rd offline stump.

I've been watching Babar since he arrived, his biggest credit is that he capitalises on pathetic and weaker or average bowlers which is a good skill as our current batters are unable to do so, but any half decent bowler gets rid of him, He has 3 outlier innings, One in test againat Australia, one in odi against nz and one against India in t20, However everyone has an outlier innings, Imam has one against England, Shan also has one agaiant England, etc etc.

He'll never be in the class of inzi, Yousaf, saeed, Ijaz amd many others because he lacks a key skill to succeed and that's actually being able to play quality pace and quality spin, he's mostly similar to hafeez who would feast on average bowlers but was a sitting duck against anyone good at opening.