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Steven finn The first time I saw him was against Pakistan under 19s he was England U19 s best bowler but didnt look that much pacy but today I was surprised by the pace he was generating Fastest bowl was 148 kph Average pace was 88 mph and that pace along with is height 6 ft 7 can be lethal specially in english conditions


http://www.cricinfo.com/bdeshveng2010/content/current/player/210283.html


Surely He is one for the future
 
Finn Takes 9-37!!

Something worth sharing, doesn't happen too often!
 
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a great prospect for england

at 6 foot 7 he's defo got height on his side!
 
I can see him potentially being a contender for the England side this summer, which doesn't bode well for Pakistan given their inability against Harmison on bouncy wickets at times.
 
I first saw this guy play against the Pakistan U19 side a few years back, found him quite impressive along with Aamer. Wouldn't be suprised if he bags quite a lot of wickets this season. And if he is called up against Pakistan then, like dBlock said, our batsmen could have a tough time ahead.

Good Luck to him, anyways!
 
He has already got 14 Championship wickets to his name this year and we are only in the first game of the season!! He got a 5 for in the first innings as well!!

Incredible stuff really mind blowing!!

:14: :14:
 
Yeah but against a weak Worcestershire line-up,sure-fire relegation candidates and lost a lot of key players over the last few months.Lets see how he does against stronger batting teams.
 
pakmania said:
Yeah but against a weak Worcestershire line-up,sure-fire relegation candidates and lost a lot of key players over the last few months.Lets see how he does against stronger batting teams.
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But 9 wickets is phenomenal against any side!
 
saw him bowl in the test match against bangladesh.

he sucks.


with that said, that is an outstanding scorecard, but i'd have to question the credibility of the team he bowled against.

none the less good job finn.
 
amazing, good to see england getting some good bowlers. harmison was the last best bowler i saw from england team
 
i dont realy rate him that highly....nothing special...county standard has deteriorated anyway....
but still good stuff finny :)
 
BoomBoomCricket said:
But 9 wickets is phenomenal against any side!
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Yeah but the side shouldnt exactly be the domestic equivalent of Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

Lets see how he does against tougher opposition.
 
Well turn me sideways,Worcs have made a comeback,still,the above does apply to Finn nevertheless.
 
Finn takes 9-37 for Middlesex

Middx still lose though..... :pissed:

I hope England have found a proper test opening bowler here. Anderson and Broad are average, and we need a cutting edge from somewhere.
 
Finn was nothing special, Cook hardly had any faith in him in the test they played against us, Tim Bresnan is a way better bowler than Finn also his batting can come in handy against Pakistan.
 
Steven will give no-Finn away

STEVEN FINN will be hidden from the Aussies later this month and remain England's secret weapon for the Ashes.
Quickie Finn made a sensational home Test debut last week with nine wickets against Bangladesh at Lord's.

But he is to be kept under wraps during the five-match one-day series against Australia starting on June 22.

Finn will play in the npower Second Test at Old Trafford beginning today and then disappear from the international stage until the Test series against Pakistan gets under way on July 29.

Apart from shielding him from the Aussies, the break also avoids risk of injury or burnout to the 21-year-old.

It means Ricky Ponting and Co will not have a chance to face the 6ft 8in paceman before the opening Ashes Test in November.

England skipper Andrew Strauss explained: "There's no reason why Steve Finn can't become a good one-day bowler. He has the attributes necessary to do that.

"But whether he is quite ready is something we have to debate.

"His record in four-day cricket is better than in one-day cricket for Middlesex and obviously the workload is an issue as well.

"The thing with Finny is that he has come in, made an impact and shown what he is capable of.

"That is exciting but it is important we allow him a bit of time to develop.

"We don't need to rush things too much. He's going to have a long career and we will have to manage him to make sure it is a long career and not a short one."

Ponting is predictably lukewarm about Finn's prospects after one good performances against Bangladesh.

The Aussie skipper sounded bemused by the hype when he said in Sydney yesterday: "Someone said Finn is the new Glenn McGrath. One Test match at home and he's already got some big raps."



Read more: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...-from-Australia-this-month.html#ixzz0ppsKI4IB
 
Finn hasn't looked all that great to me to be honest

I'd much rather both Broad and Onions play instead of him and Bresnan
 
LOL at secret weapon. Bullying Bangladesh and they think he's some sort of mean machine? He needs to be tested against better sides (doesn't necessarily mean Pak) before he can be rated.

Horrible headline btw.
 
Finn's average. And England will lose the Ashes (first time I'm supporting Australia for the Ashes, but I'm never supporting England again)
 
Sledger said:
He needs to be tested against better sides (doesn't necessarily mean Pak) before he can be rated.

Horrible headline btw.
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Pak's batting is worse.
 
I did not see anything in Steven Finn that would scare the Aussies.

He will get found out in no time against the bigger teams. There is no venom in his bowling.
 
Random Aussie said:
lol whatever.
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Exactly. They don't need Finn when pie-throwers like Broad is running through the Aussies. :yk
 
Amir said:
Exactly. They don't need Finn when pie-throwers like Broad is running through the Aussies. :yk
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Let's see how Bambi goes out here, without a lovey dovey crowd and a green pitch.... :asif
 
why the hate? isn't he basically a faster version of mohammad irfan? :13:

edit: he's tall, he's bland, he fits in perfectly into england's pace attack.
 
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He looked very comfortable. Will be nice to see him against pakistan
 
azk said:
why the hate? isn't he basically a faster version of mohammad irfan? :13:

edit: he's tall, he's bland, he fits in perfectly into england's pace attack.
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As someone said earlier
Sometime you have to see someone bowl to judge him, not look at the stats

There just no sting in his bowling personally, batsmen seemed to have all the time in the world and if people with a better temperament bat against him, I'm pretty sure he'll have a hard time of it
 
Steven Finn's Speed [Merged]

Watching him against India right now where he is bowling every ball at a speed above 151 kmph on average - round about 94 mph every ball.

Is he the quickest bowler in World Odi Cricket right now?

We always hear about Riaz , Lee , Steyn , Johnson , Tait and even that overhyped nobody Varun Aarun but here is Finn an English bowler touching 151 kmph every 2nd ball with minimum effort . He Hasnt yet caught the eye of the masses.
 
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Lol, English and Aussie pitches are known to be quick. Hell even Younis Khan would look fast on these pitches.
 
english speed guns are pushed to the limit tbh, it's probably 145kmh at best when it clocks at 152kmh.
 
OP calm down a bit.
Come on once or twice , consistently he doing 146 to 147 kph.
 
Though the speedometer shows he is clicking 150+ doesn't seem that fast. Surely seems around 140-145 though. Not Brett Lee/Akhtar kind of pace.
 
Hhhhhh... if you're someone who looks to the guns then just note the difference in speeds between Finn and the other England bowlers. If you're someone who just watches the cricket then you'll note that Finn is bowling bloody quickly. Far faster than any other bowler we've seen this summer.

Either way, it's been a good start for India even if it's looked messy.
 
But Anderson , Bresnan , Broad all have been bowling in between 136-140 while Finns average speed is 149. He has already bowler over 10 balls at 150kmph + in last 3 overs.

Ever Since this English tour has started no bowler has touched 150kmph even once but Finn is constantly crossing that mark. Hes certainly atleast the fastest bowler of this tour by a good difference of 15 kmph than any other bowler English or Indian bowler.
 
Stop being jelly guise Finn is bowling HEAT! :akhtar
 
Thats what amazed me too . He is making full use of his height and hitting the deck harder .
 
Not surprised. I assume he has sorted out where his foot lands because he was bowling from about a foot behind the crease in Australia and still clocking decent enough pace.
 
Down2Earth said:
english speed guns are pushed to the limit tbh, it's probably 145kmh at best when it clocks at 152kmh.
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And when Jimmy Anderson bowls 138 kph? What would that be?

You know that no bowler so far has bowled over 90 mph so you can't blame the SG.

He is quick, real quikc!
 
Seems like the time off has done him really good, don't like his bowling action but he seems a good one for the future.
 
Sherlock said:
Lol, English and Aussie pitches are known to be quick. Hell even Younis Khan would look fast on these pitches.
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Pitch has nothing to do with the speed when the ball is released from the hand. Be it a flat one in subcontinent or a quick bouncy one in Australia. The speedgun records the speed as soon as the ball is released from the hand. It has nothing to do at all on the pitch it's being released on :) Can't say anything about the accuracy of the speed gun though.
 
Wow, this guy has become quicker

Let me clear some misconceptions about speed here

(i) pitch/conditions has no effect, speed is measured from hand release

(ii) Broad, Anderson and Bresnan are clocking in the 130s on the same "english" speed guns

(iii) Doesn't matter whether Finn is bowling from one foot behind the crease also, speed is measured from hand release

Impressed with Finn for the first time ever in his career today, didn't expect him to hit 150+ consistently
 
Didn't see his bowling but impressive if he was hitting 150 (his figures don't look great though). Dernbach was played ahead of him.. :facepalm:
 
well i'm not suprised the guy is nearly 6.6ft+ and strong lad so he should be able to get pace and bounce the question is whether his body can cope with it in the long term.
 
*sallu* said:
(iii) Doesn't matter whether Finn is bowling from one foot behind the crease also, speed is measured from hand release
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I think it would, given that speed would be measured from the point of release which would normally be somewhere in line with the crease, so the ball will be recorded as slightly slower if you release it from behind the crease as the camera will pick it up later, and thus slower.

Unless I'm completely wrong, if so forgive me :afridi
 
Sherlock said:
Lol, English and Aussie pitches are known to be quick. Hell even Younis Khan would look fast on these pitches.
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kid there is a difference between releasing (which is the bowling speed) and pitching ( which is speed of the pitch) some times bowler releases at 150kph but pitch is slow so it wont look that quick (aka bounce carry ect.) and sometimes tullar bowlers like indian bowls in SA or AUS on quick and bouncy pitches at 130kph which looks very quick.
 
Sledger said:
Didn't see his bowling but impressive if he was hitting 150 (his figures don't look great though). Dernbach was played ahead of him.. :facepalm:
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Tbh though he had pace only didn't seam/swing much like Anderson and Broad. ODI's are mostly played on flat pitches, he can be easily hit around the park with his pace.
 
Just goes to show how rest and recovery time is so important for fast bowlers and why all sides in the world suck at fast bowling management. Till the 2010 Aus tour he was playing in almost every test match for England, then England got the likes of Tremlett and Bresnan in, and its been ages since Finn last played for England.

He looks completely recharged now and from 82 mph he has gone up to 95 mph so effortlessly.
 
Pakis on this forum cant handle the fact we dont have the worlds fastest bowlers anymore. Deal with it.
 
I didnt know that Finn is an express-pace bowler before I saw him today . He is easily the fastest bowler of this tour and that too by a distance. His average bowling speed today was 148 kmph and to maintain that speed as average even after bowling odd slow balls is incredible.

His maximum speed was 152.7 .
 
He actually is pretty quick........express to be honest..........95mph isnt slow stuff........He has the height and the physique....so if he sorted out his action(which he seems to have done)he is bound to be quick........whats interesting is that he looked effortless while doing so....
 
Very difficult for me to pin down my opinion on Finn.

His test match record is nothing short of superb. He took a big haul at Brisbane, which included a brilliant hour against Katich and Clarke and a mopping up of the tail which got England back into the game - moreover, anyone who saw the second innings at Adelaide, when Broad was injured and Finn spent a whole afternoon bowling with venom and control on a flat pitch, would surely rate the lad. Yet I have seen him send down some godawful spells on other days. Some really really bad rubbish.

And then he turns up against India and bowls like Akhtar. His figures are average but his pace and stamina were ludicrous. He could have easily had a few more - Rahane saw a regulation chance sail through an absent gully, while Dhoni was poking and edging early on.

He's an exciting bowler. To have already done all of the above at the age of 22 cannot be underestimated. Remember that Anderson took many many years to develop into a consistent, world-class bowler. Finn is not there right now either, but he seems to have a good handle on the immensely steep learning curve which he has been presented with, and has certainly made an impact in the eighteen months he has been a name.

Finn is probably the most talented English bowler we've seen since the emergence of Harmison - he just has to avoid falling into the same traps of homesickness, losing his lines for the sake of pace, and overdoing the short ball. Hopefully he is made of sterner stuff, and a bit cleverer than that. Good luck to him.
 
Bowl like akhtar ? you what ??? hahah you joker high on english crack !:boycott

Akhtar even at the age of 35/36 was miles faster than your steven frame :akhtar

On a positive note , He has improved a lot since the last time when I saw him against Pakistan he looked nothing special than a clubbie turning up to give some bowling practice to Pakistani Batsmen.

His action has changed considerbly aswell. Much better and supporting for fast bowling.

I am thinking he must have paid a visit to Ian Pont, (residing in UK).

This much Improvment without any help is too good to be true. He has become much better but If The English measure their fast bowling talent by Steven finn then their future potential for fast bowling is doomed, doesnt matter what they have got now. :akhtar
 
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Passionate-FastBowler said:
Bowl like akhtar ? you what ??? hahah you joker high on english crack !:boycott

Akhtar even at the age of 35/36 was miles faster than your steven frame :akhtar
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I didn't say he always bowls like Akhtar, he is the next Akhtar or he is better than Akhtar. I just watched the game today and saw no less than a fearsome express quick for a number of overs. Sorry to hit a raw nerve!
 
Pointless having speed if you don't use it for your teams benefit.
 
As if Akhtar was some Legend of the game who cant be compared with Finn. Couldnt even take 200 Test Wickets , Big deal. Even Bond was much better bowler than Akhtar.

The great thing about Finn was that he clocked high speeds with ease unlike Akhtar who used to start panting after bowling 2 balls .
 
rajan70 said:
As if Akhtar was some Legend of the game who cant be compared with Finn. Couldnt even take 200 Test Wickets , Big deal. Even Bond was much better bowler than Akhtar.

The great thing about Finn was that he clocked high speeds with ease unlike Akhtar who used to start panting after bowling 2 balls .
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highly unlikey what I saw in the last WorldCup ...hmmm...unless you were watching those starplus sass bahu dramas ? hahah
 
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He was sharp, def around the 90mph mark. He has a big future ahead of him, especially in Tests.
 
Whippy said:
Very difficult for me to pin down my opinion on Finn.

His test match record is nothing short of superb. He took a big haul at Brisbane, which included a brilliant hour against Katich and Clarke and a mopping up of the tail which got England back into the game - moreover, anyone who saw the second innings at Adelaide, when Broad was injured and Finn spent a whole afternoon bowling with venom and control on a flat pitch, would surely rate the lad. Yet I have seen him send down some godawful spells on other days. Some really really bad rubbish.

And then he turns up against India and bowls like Akhtar. His figures are average but his pace and stamina were ludicrous. He could have easily had a few more - Rahane saw a regulation chance sail through an absent gully, while Dhoni was poking and edging early on.

He's an exciting bowler. To have already done all of the above at the age of 22 cannot be underestimated. Remember that Anderson took many many years to develop into a consistent, world-class bowler. Finn is not there right now either, but he seems to have a good handle on the immensely steep learning curve which he has been presented with, and has certainly made an impact in the eighteen months he has been a name.

Finn is probably the most talented English bowler we've seen since the emergence of Harmison - he just has to avoid falling into the same traps of homesickness, losing his lines for the sake of pace, and overdoing the short ball. Hopefully he is made of sterner stuff, and a bit cleverer than that. Good luck to him.
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agreed. for some reason some of the pakistanis here absolutely cannot stand someone who isn't a pakistani being an express pace bowler. Get over yourselves, Finn is a quality bowler.
 
Fehzan said:
agreed. for some reason some of the pakistanis here absolutely cannot stand someone who isn't a pakistani being an express pace bowler. Get over yourselves, Finn is a quality bowler.
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Express is one thing and that is understandable since finn has improved a good deal. But comparing to Him to Akhtar is a joke. we will wait and see when finn breaks the record of fastest ball bowled by akhtar then we will compare him to Akhtar. Till then is nothing special than plenty of pacers that have come and gone and bitten the dust :)
 
Passionate-FastBowler said:
Express is one thing and that is understandable since finn has improved a good deal. But comparing to Him to Akhtar is a joke. we will wait and see when finn breaks the record of fastest ball bowled by akhtar then we will compare him to Akhtar. Till then is nothing special than plenty of pacers that have come and gone and bitten the dust :)
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still the way he's being written off is totally unfair :wahab
 
Like i said the long break has done him good. I doubt Finn will be able to hold these speeds up for long if he plays cricket continuously for a good 3-4 month stretch. Fast bowling speeds have a lot to do with rest, recovery, management. Guys like Akhtar and Lee were unique they could bowl and maintain those high speeds, spell after spell, match after match inspite of playing consistent cricket on the stretch.

I have seen many bowlers bowl in the early 90 mph mark when they started their careers or hit a purple patch but not when they played consistently on the stretch. So i wont read to much into this.
 
Savak said:
Like i said the long break has done him good. I doubt Finn will be able to hold these speeds up for long if he plays cricket continuously for a good 3-4 month stretch. Fast bowling speeds have a lot to do with rest, recovery, management. Guys like Akhtar and Lee were unique they could bowl and maintain those high speeds, spell after spell, match after match inspite of playing consistent cricket on the stretch.

I have seen many bowlers bowl in the early 90 mph mark when they started their careers or hit a purple patch but not when they played consistently on the stretch. So i wont read to much into this.
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Thankyou. sensible post.
 
rajan70 said:
As if Akhtar was some Legend of the game who cant be compared with Finn. Couldnt even take 200 Test Wickets , Big deal. Even Bond was much better bowler than Akhtar.

The great thing about Finn was that he clocked high speeds with ease unlike Akhtar who used to start panting after bowling 2 balls .
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Akhtar is a legend. Fastest bowler in the world (in the history of all of cricket) to date.
 
Unfortunately didn't watch England's bowling (and the greatest part of the match), but didn't he extract some extra-pace off the quick pitch thanks to his 6'7'' frame ? I knew that he is already in the high 80s.
I've always rated him for Tests though.

rajan70 said:
As if Akhtar was some Legend of the game who cant be compared with Finn. Couldnt even take 200 Test Wickets , Big deal. Even Bond was much better bowler than Akhtar.

The great thing about Finn was that he clocked high speeds with ease unlike Akhtar who used to start panting after bowling 2 balls .
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Number of wickets = consistency.
His average and strike-rate in both formats of the game are so good that Kapil Dev - or any Indian for that matter, in the future or not - can't even imagine owning them in his wettest dreams.
But I agree: Steve Finn would have been you greatest bowler ever if born Indian.
And for your 'even (Shane) Bond', I hope you know that India may never seen a half-as-talented guy under her blue skies for the rest of the human history.
 
akheR said:
Unfortunately didn't watch England's bowling (and the greatest part of the match), but didn't he extract some extra-pace off the quick pitch thanks to his 6'7'' frame ? I knew that he is already in the high 80s.
I've always rated him for Tests though.



Number of wickets = consistency.
His average and strike-rate in both formats of the game are so good that Kapil Dev - or any Indian for that matter, in the future or not - can't even imagine owning them in his wettest dreams.
But I agree: Steve Finn would have been you greatest bowler ever if born Indian.
And for your 'even (Shane) Bond', I hope you know that India may never seen a half-as-talented guy under her blue skies for the rest of the human history.
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:19: killed it!

:akhtar-The legend
 
akheR said:
Unfortunately didn't watch England's bowling (and the greatest part of the match), but didn't he extract some extra-pace off the quick pitch thanks to his 6'7'' frame ? I knew that he is already in the high 80s.
I've always rated him for Tests though.



Number of wickets = consistency.
His average and strike-rate in both formats of the game are so good that Kapil Dev - or any Indian for that matter, in the future or not - can't even imagine owning them in his wettest dreams.
But I agree: Steve Finn would have been you greatest bowler ever if born Indian.
And for your 'even (Shane) Bond', I hope you know that India may never seen a half-as-talented guy under her blue skies for the rest of the human history.
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Kapil Dev owns Akhtar.....right left and center..comparing a man with 400+ wickets to some one with less than 200..........thats the delusional state you are in.......

Btw.......whats has Akhtar achieved except that 100mph ball?

How many MOM or MOS he has????

how many 5for or 10 fors??

Avg and SR dont compare the bowlers when sm1 doesnt even have half the no. of wickets or matches the other has.....

Remember what Akhtar got in 2003 WC?or how Bhajji owned him?
 
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