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BD pressed their very own self destruct button.....

they work on same theory from last 3 years ..."whatever ur team position is good or bad ....wkt should be go in pairs only" - when there is a wkt u can expect 1 more wkt to go ..they always go in pairs...
 
Prior has given away 13 byes, currently the second highest scorer in the BD total.
 
Tamim has merely papered over a few cracks but Bangladesh are still a very poor side.
 
O Equinox, Equinox, wherefore art thou Equinox?

:))) :))) :)))
 
once again, the extras have done pretty well with 13. so minus them for now. Mahmamamadullahaah now needs 8 more runs to equal the total runs scored by every other Bangladeshi batsman in this innings...
 
Wasn't that the third bouncer in the same over at Mahmudullah? :13:
 
'Mahma' = 38
'everyone else' = 50
'extras' = 13

not test cricket.
 
I sense our friend Equinox will be taking an extended leave of absence. :afridi
 
Razzak laying into Swann; must be the name :razaaq
 
I dont know why Icc doesnt strip Bangladesh of their test status as time has clearly told us that they are not good enough. They are de- valuing test cricket and this is clealy bad for the game. Bangladesh lost to Ireland in a 20-20 and would get a beating from Zimbabwe at current form in a test match.

I use to support Bangladesh having test status but one can not back a team who is struglling to make any progress at all and is loosing every single match. Its time for the ICC to take this matter under consideration. May be a 2 tier leage system should be introduced with relegation, promotion.
 
Haroom said:
I use to support Bangladesh having test status but one can not back a team who is struglling to make any progress at all and is loosing every single match. Its time for the ICC to take this matter under consideration. May be a 2 tier leage system should be introduced with relegation, promotion.
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agree completely. not stripped, but two tier.
 
England wrap it up - Swann takes the 10th wkt of the session

123 all out - Eng win by an inngs & 80 in 2+ days.
 
Bangladesh | 123 | 34.1 Overs | England beat Bangladesh by an innings and 80 runs

England win the 2 match series by 2-0.
 
lost 20 wickets in 2 sessions. oh dear. pretty much a 2 day win with various overs lost across the 3 days.

Finn 15 wickets in the 2-test series. Man of the Match at Lords, possibly MotM here, possibly Man of the Series too. I KNOW IT'S ONLY BANGLADESH. but that's impressive.
 
Capitulation. Lost 19-180 odd after Tamim's bright start.
 
210-over game. 7 session match. Michael Vaughan - 'test cricket is meant to be a test. that was not a test'. woeful game.
 
good performance from england but they have to improve in bowling more , they are world beaters in cloudy conditions but in sunshine they look like a ordinary attack and they would hardly find any clouds in australia !
 
Friend786 said:
good performance from england but they have to improve in bowling more , they are world beaters in cloudy conditions but in sunshine they look like a ordinary attack and they would hardly find any clouds in australia !
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Yup, it never ever EVER rains here. :aamir England just couldn't bowl to Tamim, when he was out they looked pretty lethal
 
So the progress Bangladesh have been making for the last 12 months should be judged by this one innings? This is our first score under 200 in the last year and that too under ghastly conditions. And why should I have to listen to judgements from fans of a team which got bowled out under 200 three times over the last 12 months and still holds the record of the lowest score in that period and too on a Sri Lankan pitch? And I couldn't care less what the English commentators have to say. Have a listen to what they were saying after the Lord's Test to get an idea of the varying range of crap they spout out.
 
Equinox said:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...2009;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Lowest scores in the last twelve months (sorted by team):

Pakistan: 90 (how did I miss this earlier?)
New Zealand: 99
England: 102
Australia: 127
South Africa: 133
West Indies: 181
Bangladesh: <del>216</del> 123
Sri Lanka: 217
India: 233

I don't see why this should put me "back to my place." It was a very difficult pitch and this is our lowest score in 12 months and it looks heaven compared to what other teams have suffered...especially a particular team which got bowled out for 90. If we do manage to put up a decent target for England to chase I'd like to see how they get on in this pitch.
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How the Mighty have fallen! Bangladesh move from 3rd to 6th in just 1 innings in the ICC Non-Reliance Immobile Equinox Delusion Rankings. They are now only better than Pakistan, New Zealand and England.

On a side note Equinox bro, you just HAD to dare them, didn't you? You just HAD to!
 
Equinox said:
So the progress Bangladesh have been making for the last 12 months should be judged by this one innings? This is our first score under 200 in the last year and that too under ghastly conditions. And why should I have to listen to judgements from fans of a team which got bowled out under 200 three times over the last 12 months and still holds the record of the lowest score in that period and too on a Sri Lankan pitch? And I couldn't care less what the English commentators have to say. Have a listen to what they were saying after the Lord's Test to get an idea of the varying range of crap they spout out.
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It's actually been two innings where BD has been useless. Without Tamim you would've lost by 2 innings (if possible). To be fair the useless crap they were spouting out (if it was related to BD's test status needing to be revoked) has been vindicated by this spineless performance.
 
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Awesome_Username said:
How the Mighty have fallen! Bangladesh move from 3rd to 6th in just 1 innings in the ICC Non-Reliance Immobile Equinox Delusion Rankings. They are now only better than Pakistan, New Zealand and England.

On a side note Equinox bro, you just HAD to dare them, didn't you? You just HAD to!
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:))) Class post.
 
I would have fancied us to bowl out Australia, India or South Africa today.

but I don't think anybody can excuse 20 wickets in 2 sessions.
 
Poison said:
It's actually been two innings where BD has been useless. Without Tamim you would've lost by 2 innings (if possible).
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Live on air, Geoffrey Boycott just outlined the 'one day test' based on this match.

put them into bat, bowl them out before lunch.
forfeit your first innings.
bowl them out again before tea.
knock the runs off before stumps.

ouch :)))
 
Two Man of the series?.............. strange!

One for England and one for Bangladesh.
 
And models for both teams never seen in a Test series or ODIs series expect ICC events.
 
Shakib said ''if you compare with T20Is and Test Cricket we are much better in ODIs'' :))) :))) :)))
 
Oh my...what happened to the mighty Tigers :))) :)))

Where art thou Equinox...where art thou?
 
farhan1 said:
Two Man of the series?.............. strange!

One for England and one for Bangladesh.
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Its not strange, that always happens in England. On the last tour it was Strauss and Yousuf.
 
Whippy said:
210-over game. 7 session match. Michael Vaughan - 'test cricket is meant to be a test. that was not a test'. woeful game.
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Fortunately this hapless side will not be back in England for a very long time. Hopefully they will improve in that time. Tamim will turn into a champion and maybe the rest will learn to bat for longer than 50 overs.
 
Sledger said:
Its not strange, that always happens in England. On the last tour it was Strauss and Yousuf.
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Well i've seen first time. Two Man of the series, both team models and umpire as well. They giving like a big event!
 
Equinox said:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine...2009;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

Lowest scores in the last twelve months (sorted by team):

Pakistan: 90 (how did I miss this earlier?)
New Zealand: 99
England: 102
Australia: 127
South Africa: 133
West Indies: 181
Bangladesh: 216
Sri Lanka: 217
India: 233

I don't see why this should put me "back to my place." It was a very difficult pitch and this is our lowest score in 12 months and it looks heaven compared to what other teams have suffered...especially a particular team which got bowled out for 90. If we do manage to put up a decent target for England to chase I'd like to see how they get on in this pitch.
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Please update that list :)))...and make a visit to the 'You've been Owned thread"

Every time you talk trash it comes back to bite you in the rear. :))) :)))
 
With all due respect to Pakistan team ...BD batting is better in Test in terms of scoring runs ....
Tamin and Kayes now providing good start consistently ...and score with very very good strike rate which is not even required in Test match i think.....and even if they have some partnership from middle order that also with ODI strike rate...which is not required in Test but it would be better if they stand more sessions instead of 2 sessions of heavy runs .....that's why they have played max 240.5 overs in a test...it is there highest but normally they not play that much ......:(
on the other hand Pak batsman play with very low strike rate ....they normally tend to play more sessions but score very very less...but now a days they even don't wanna stand more sessions too....:(

so on this basis i would say BD batting is slightly better then Pak team (without Younis & Yousuf) ...but bowling is no comparison .....

If somehow Pak batsman able to make more 300+ score avg per inning I m sure they can manage more wins ...

PS: striping test status from BD will not deliver any good but yes 2 Tier championship is the only solution i think now.
 
mastermind_quad said:
With all due respect to Pakistan team ...BD batting is better in Test in terms of scoring runs ....
Tamin and Kayes now providing good start consistently ...and score with very very good strike rate which is not even required in Test match i think.....and even if they have some partnership from middle order that also with ODI strike rate...which is not required in Test but it would be better if they stand more sessions instead of 2 sessions of heavy runs .....that's why they have played max 240.5 overs in a test...it is there highest but normally they not play that much ......:(
on the other hand Pak batsman play with very low strike rate ....they normally tend to play more sessions but score very very less...but now a days they even don't wanna stand more sessions too....:(

so on this basis i would say BD batting is slightly better then Pak team (without Younis & Yousuf) ...but bowling is no comparison .....

If somehow Pak batsman able to make more 300+ score avg per inning I m sure they can manage more wins ...

PS: striping test status from BD will not deliver any good but yes 2 Tier championship is the only solution i think now.
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We have not yet seen Pakistan play without both Younus and Yousuf. How then can you make that judgment? Yes Pakistan is going through turmoil and we are not sure what the final squad will be, but until the decisions are made, we cannot say what the lineup will be.

Look at India in the first test against SA, when they were missing two of their best batsmen (not even their two best batsmen, but rather their No. 2 (Dravid) and No. 4 (Laxman) batsmen). Their batting looked club level against Steyn and Co. So is it then fair to say that India's batting is also below Bangladesh? Would it be fair to say that England's batting would be below Bangladesh if you took out KP and Strauss, because it might well be.
 
Khabri420 said:
Please update that list :)))...and make a visit to the 'You've been Owned thread"

Every time you talk trash it comes back to bite you in the rear. :))) :)))
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Remeber the year 2002?

Pakistan was allout for 119 runs in this venue with all these great players.

Lost the game by an innings and 120 runs. And the game was over within 3 days.

Some Pakistan fans really forget their past very easily.

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-bangladesh-2010/engine/match/225256.html
 
Awesome_Username said:
We have not yet seen Pakistan play without both Younus and Yousuf. How then can you make that judgment? Yes Pakistan is going through turmoil and we are not sure what the final squad will be, but until the decisions are made, we cannot say what the lineup will be.

Look at India in the first test against SA, when they were missing two of their best batsmen (not even their two best batsmen, but rather their No. 2 (Dravid) and No. 4 (Laxman) batsmen). Their batting looked club level against Steyn and Co. So is it then fair to say that India's batting is also below Bangladesh? Would it be fair to say that England's batting would be below Bangladesh if you took out KP and Strauss, because it might well be.
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Good point Awesome_Username, I agree with you.
 
Murad said:
Remeber the year 2002?

Pakistan was allout for 119 runs in this venue with all these great players.

Lost the game by an innings and 120 runs. And the game was over within 3 days.

Some Pakistan fans really forget their past very easily.

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-bangladesh-2010/engine/match/225256.html
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...and where did I make the claim about Pakistan being world-beaters?

...and some people need to learn how to read.
 
Murad said:
Remeber the year 2002?

Pakistan was allout for 119 runs in this venue with all these great players.

Lost the game by an innings and 120 runs. And the game was over within 3 days.

Some Pakistan fans really forget their past very easily.

http://www.cricinfo.com/england-v-bangladesh-2010/engine/match/225256.html
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The difference is that Bangladesh always get rolled over like this- in every match.

Pakistan do not often get rolled over like this and have been a champion team in the past. The current lot are a lot better then the bengalis.

Bangladesh should give up cricket.
 
Find it kinda rich that us Pakistani fans are taking the mickey out a minnow in conditions which we know our batsmen would probably fare the same. Honestly, this is what we are reduced too? Getting excited when the likes of Bangladesh fall? The arrogance sometimes on this board is just shocking, considering our team has won one test in the past 3 or 4 years is it?

I think Bangladesh made some important strides in the past 12 months. They finally found some cricketers that are able to compete in Tamim, Mahmudullah and Shakib. Not world-beaters but even a average of 30+ is better than the players they had before. I remember when their openers would average 19-22. Even this tour, they pushed England at Lords (albeit the rain) which was much better than last tour.

I think the important thing people need to realize is now Bangladesh are on a learning curve (while I reckon their first seven years, they weren't). I know people say "it took 10 years" but problem was in a lot of those years they were playing the same old garbage players which were just too set in their ways to change. Very harsh on those players considering they are the ones that got them promoted but they eventually just had to be phased out. In the past 2 years, they find 3 cricketers will immense talent (relative to past) and I am sure they will find more. Once they have 5 or 6 that can make a healthy contribution....I am sure they can start winning a few tests.

Progress has been slow but there is no point taking test status now just when they are finally showing glimpses of competing. I think the next five years will be make or break for BD cricket. They will either come out with some wins and a few top stars or in the same place. If in the same place, then I would reassess their status.
 
Haroom said:
The difference is that Bangladesh always get rolled over like this- in every match.

Pakistan do not often get rolled over like this and have been a champion team in the past. The current lot are a lot better then the bengalis.

Bangladesh should give up cricket.
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Thats why no Test win in last 3-4 years. Should Pakistan give up Test cricket as well? what do you say?
 
Murad said:
Thats why no Test win in last 3-4 years. Should Pakistan give up Test cricket as well? what do you say?
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You must be baked.

But anyway at least when we get humbled we accept the defeat and curse our players. When you guys lose you just make up excuses it seems. That looks to be the big difference here.
 
Amir said:
Find it kinda rich that us Pakistani fans are taking the mickey out a minnow in conditions which we know our batsmen would probably fare the same. Honestly, this is what we are reduced too? Getting excited when the likes of Bangladesh fall? The arrogance sometimes on this board is just shocking, considering our team has won one test in the past 3 or 4 years is it?

I think Bangladesh made some important strides in the past 12 months. They finally found some cricketers that are able to compete in Tamim, Mahmudullah and Shakib. Not world-beaters but even a average of 30+ is better than the players they had before. I remember when their openers would average 19-22. Even this tour, they pushed England at Lords (albeit the rain) which was much better than last tour.

I think the important thing people need to realize is now Bangladesh are on a learning curve (while I reckon their first seven years, they weren't). I know people say "it took 10 years" but problem was in a lot of those years they were playing the same old garbage players which were just too set in their ways to change. Very harsh on those players considering they are the ones that got them promoted but they eventually just had to be phased out. In the past 2 years, they find 3 cricketers will immense talent (relative to past) and I am sure they will find more. Once they have 5 or 6 that can make a healthy contribution....I am sure they can start winning a few tests.

Progress has been slow but there is no point taking test status now just when they are finally showing glimpses of competing. I think the next five years will be make or break for BD cricket. They will either come out with some wins and a few top stars or in the same place. If in the same place, then I would reassess their status.
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Respectfully, I think you've got it wrong. The very clear majority on this board want BD to do well. I think lots of it is the frustration of them failing, more so than our 'positive' excitement about the failure.

Then the BD posters come knocking Pakistan in order to make themselves feel better. Then the reverse occurs, until the thread slowly dies away.
 
Desi said:
You must be baked.

But anyway at least when we get humbled we accept the defeat and curse our players. When you guys lose you just make up excuses it seems. That looks to be the big difference here.
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Nop we don't.

we know our team sucks. It got Test status before getting ready for it.
 
Desi said:
Respectfully, I think you've got it wrong. The very clear majority on this board want BD to do well. I think lots of it is the frustration of them failing, more so than our 'positive' excitement about the failure.

Then the BD posters come knocking Pakistan in order to make themselves feel better. Then the reverse occurs, until the thread slowly dies away.
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Correctly put. I would say that outside of Bangladesh itself, Pakistanis are BD's biggest well wishers.
 
Murad said:
Thats why no Test win in last 3-4 years. Should Pakistan give up Test cricket as well? what do you say?
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We hardly played test cricket consistently in the last few years hence when we played we were under prepared. Put any team in our boots then am sure they would have done the same. The number of controversys did not help either but am sure we wil perform a lot better in England then the Bengalis did today.

Beside that we were the t20 finalists, semi finalists, champs in T20 cricket- a format that we played equal amount with other teams. This highlights the potential, talent of our team. Bangladesh has done naught in T20 cricket or one day cricket.

And please the only decent player Bangladesh got is T Iqbal. T Iqbal will get exposed sooner then later. Lol at some people staing that Mushfiqur is a better bat then Kammy. Kammy has played one of the greatest innings ever in test cricket gainst India and has got great potential to the greatest ever wicket keeper batsmen that Pakistan has ever produced. S Ul Hasan is a garbage player and all bengalis, Pakistan supporters were rating him as if he was an all rounder equivalent to the Great Khan. Come on, you rather have Malik in the team then Shaqib and imo MALIK IS MEDICORE. Malik is a better altough his bowling has deterioted.

Bangladesh please withdraw yourself from tets cricket- your team is de- valuing the great game. I know that I may sound harsh but it is true.
 
Awesome_Username said:
We have not yet seen Pakistan play without both Younus and Yousuf. How then can you make that judgment? Yes Pakistan is going through turmoil and we are not sure what the final squad will be, but until the decisions are made, we cannot say what the lineup will be.

Look at India in the first test against SA, when they were missing two of their best batsmen (not even their two best batsmen, but rather their No. 2 (Dravid) and No. 4 (Laxman) batsmen). Their batting looked club level against Steyn and Co. So is it then fair to say that India's batting is also below Bangladesh? Would it be fair to say that England's batting would be below Bangladesh if you took out KP and Strauss, because it might well be.
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You didn't get my point buddy ....even with our star studded full batting lineup we lost in 3 days against SA in 2007-08 series when they visited us in Ahmadabad....so buddy ...my post was not based on one or two test matches ....i considered current(last 2 or 3 years) performance....and in that period BD batting was really good...and credit should be given to them....and u know even with 2Y's last couple of years was not good for Pak batting in test....but if they are present in the team we can never say BD batting is slightly better then Pak...they really were not in form but combined batting avg of team is way better then BD.....so i based my point excluding 2 y's...:)
 
The point is do we need to discuss and compare The Next Big Thing in Test Cricket The Mighty Bengali Warriors to the Pakistani team which is on a decline and hardly plays any test cricket lately?

I don't think so.

When Pakistan will play as much tests as Australia/England/India/South Africa play home and abroad then we can compare us with others.

Just what I think. So, it will be better to let this thread die.
 
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