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"Stuffing Pakistan in the final is my favourite memory (1985 B&H World Series)" : Ravi Shastri

India head coach Ravi Shastri, in a Facebook live interaction with Sony Sports on Tuesday, said the Indian team that won the Benson and Hedges World Championship in 1985 could have anyday given the current Virat Kohli-led side "a run for their money".

When questioned by journalist Rajdeep Sardesai, Shastri said, "Yeah, no question about that. Take any team that India puts up in white-ball cricket, the best of what it has to put out, the team of ’85 will give that team a run for their money."

"Many people thought it (the 1983 World Cup win) was a one-off. But the boys were excellent in 1985, with Sunny (Sunil Gavaskar) leading from the front."

When asked what he fondly remembers the most from the tournament, Shastri was prompt in replying, "Stuffing Pakistan in the final is my favourite memory."

Shastri and Javed Miandad's on-field rivalry is still considered one of the greatest in cricket. Shastri, who won an Audi 100 sedan after the final for being the Player of the Tournament, agrees that even the Pakistan captain had his eyes on the car but he wasn't letting it go easy. "Javed had no chance of getting the Audi. He would try to get under your skin on the field."

The 57-year-old believed that after Pakistan, New Zealand could be named as the strongest competitors in the championship. "New Zealand were a fantastic team. They might not have the superstars but they are always a team known for punching much above their weights. We had to play our A game in the semifinals to beat them."

The former commentator is stuck within the confines of his farmhouse in Alibaug due to the COVID-19 lockdown and said he would have loved to have Laxman Sivaramakrishnan and Roger Binny as his quarantine roommates. "We can get some beer. I'm sure Siva and Roger would join in."

https://sportstar.thehindu.com/cric...ar-sivaramakrishnan-binny/article31509456.ece

Scorecard for that game:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series...-hedges-world-championship-of-cricket-1984-85
 
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No love lost there!

Am sure the Miandad throwing him in the pool thing also irked him.
 
Ah that was a great series.. seen the highlights so many times on youtube...
 
It certainly was a stuffing.

In 1983 the World Cup was a fluke.

In 1985 the World Championship of Cricket was a massacre by India.
 
It certainly was a stuffing.

In 1983 the World Cup was a fluke.

In 1985 the World Championship of Cricket was a massacre by India.

83 was no fluke. They smashed the so called best team twice. fluke would be Pakistan's 2017 champions trophy, England 2019 world cup win.
 
Pakistan didn't turn up that day - like they usually don't in big tournaments vs India.

To add: Pakistan was an average ODI team in those days. Their golden run started the next year from Australasia Cup (Miandad six) and would continue till, I'd argue 1999 World Cup.
 
83 was no fluke. They smashed the so called best team twice. fluke would be Pakistan's 2017 champions trophy, England 2019 world cup win.

Thanks for the laughs. Pakistan 2017 was on fire and just burned England in semis and India in finals into oblivion. England 2019 was also pretty much expected. 1983 - even Indian players and common Indians were in disbelief that they won.
 
People may find this hard to believe but India led the ODI H2H against Pak till the Sharjah last ball six match in 1986. Once (1983) may be an outlier but by winning the '85 World Championship India proved it was not a terrible ODI side by any stretch of imagination. In B&H India won all matches including beating Pakistan 2x and bowling out all opponents in the tournament I think. We should have made the final in '87 as well, real rot started after that and continued for most of the 90s.
 
Shastri is so bombastic, a really big mouth, but credit where due he maximized whatever little talent he had.

Also while Indian fans praise Gambhir for being clutch in 2007 and 2011 finals, don't forget Srikkanth. Top scored in difficult conditions against the GOAT attack in 1983 final, again in B&H final he top scored with almost run a ball 67 while his opening partner Shastri was tuk tuking at 40 SR. Cheeka was chief selector when we won 2011 WC, so he had a major hand in 3 of our ICC title wins.
 
Thanks for the laughs. Pakistan 2017 was on fire and just burned England in semis and India in finals into oblivion. England 2019 was also pretty much expected. 1983 - even Indian players and common Indians were in disbelief that they won.

Pakistan 2017 was the biggest fluke ever. Almost on par with England's win 2019. They got extremely lucky.
 
Pakistan 2017 was the biggest fluke ever. Almost on par with England's win 2019. They got extremely lucky.

What was lucky about it They totally outplayed the 2 favs comprehensively in all depts In fact they gave india a good "stuffing"
 
lol..thats the only time his team ever did it thats why..the amount of stuffings we have given our dear parosees in finals is quite interesting.
 
I urge fans to please don't fall for the bait. Ravi Shastri is one of the Indians who never hesitated to give due respect to Pakistani cricketers wherever it is due.

Please tell me what is wrong about the statement. Pakistan are India's biggest nemesis and that was Shastri's moment he won an Audi which he keeps till this day.

No need for hate and berating players for nothing
 
Stuffing is what India got in 2017. An absolute pounding never witnessed before.
 
biggest flukes ive seen in finals are 2007 t20 wc and 2011..

Nothing can match the 2017 fluke though. India regularly beat Pakistan after the 2007 final and Sri Lanka after the 2011 final whereas Pakistan got absolutely "stuffed" in the three meetings after the CT with two of them at their second home. They also lost badly to us in the other game played in that tournament.
 
83 was no fluke. They smashed the so called best team twice. fluke would be Pakistan's 2017 champions trophy, England 2019 world cup win.
It was definitely a fluke. In 1983 World Cup cricket was not the white ball game, it was a 60 over abbreviated Test match.

Three months before the World Cup, India toured the West Indies. They lost the Tests 2-0 and the ODI’s 2-1.

Three months later, the West Indies toured India. They won the Tests 3-0 and the ODI’s 5-0.

So in 1983 this was the overall red ball scoreline between India and the West Indies at home, away and in England:

West Indies won 12 (5 Tests, 7 ODIs)
India won 3 (all ODI”s)

India’s World Cup win in 1983 was a fluke event.
 
Nothing can match the 2017 fluke though. India regularly beat Pakistan after the 2007 final and Sri Lanka after the 2011 final whereas Pakistan got absolutely "stuffed" in the three meetings after the CT with two of them at their second home. They also lost badly to us in the other game played in that tournament.

regularly beat us in what? just the world cup. In CT matches our record speaks for itself and in bi laterals.
Biggest fluke was 2007..complete luck..wc2011 also because india essentially cheated as they were worried the stadiums would get burnt to ash if they didnt win..
 
regularly beat us in what? just the world cup. In CT matches our record speaks for itself and in bi laterals.

Just after the 2007 world T20 , we beat Pakistan in both Tests and Odis. Also beat them at home in the Asia cup 2008. India leads pakistan 7-1 in T20s since then. If you still think that's a fluke, you're just deluding yourselves.

Biggest fluke was 2007..complete luck..wc2011 also because india essentially cheated as they were worried the stadiums would get burnt to ash if they didnt win..

:yk

Now you're just being sour. Make up your mind first. Fluke or cHeAtInG ? :murali
 
biggest flukes ive seen in finals are 2007 t20 wc and 2011..

your team got spanked in the group stages before winning the final in 2017. Biggest fluke ever. Pakistan's results post 2017 in the Asia cup and odi series' that followed clearly proves their win in the champions trophy was a massive fluke.

2019 England probably just about topped you guys.
 
regularly beat us in what? just the world cup. In CT matches our record speaks for itself and in bi laterals.
Biggest fluke was 2007..complete luck..wc2011 also because india essentially cheated as they were worried the stadiums would get burnt to ash if they didnt win..

your record in champions trophy is ? 3 -2 rofl. actually 3 -3 because you lost in 1985 which was a champions trophy completion.

Your bilateral record is superior only because you managed to win in the fixed sharjah games. Besides no one gives a flying f about bilaterals
Bilaterals are basically used to test out your players and to get the combination right.
 
It was definitely a fluke. In 1983 World Cup cricket was not the white ball game, it was a 60 over abbreviated Test match.

Three months before the World Cup, India toured the West Indies. They lost the Tests 2-0 and the ODI’s 2-1.

Three months later, the West Indies toured India. They won the Tests 3-0 and the ODI’s 5-0.

So in 1983 this was the overall red ball scoreline between India and the West Indies at home, away and in England:

West Indies won 12 (5 Tests, 7 ODIs)
India won 3 (all ODI”s)

India’s World Cup win in 1983 was a fluke event.

When you whoop the so called best team's butt twice in the same completion at a world event then it's not a fluke. Far from it.

Yea india lost odi's and tests in meaningless bilaterals. so ?
what happened in 85 when it actually mattered in a more serious event? They won again and therefore india proved it was no fluke.

Fluke would be 2017 pakistam and 2019 England.

why are you conflating red ball cricket results with odi? makes no sense. We all know w.indies were a better team at the time. They still got their butts kicked when it mattered in a world cup.
 
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83 was no fluke. They smashed the so called best team twice. fluke would be Pakistan's 2017 champions trophy, England 2019 world cup win.

India winning the '83 World Cup with dibbly dobblers will always be the one of the greatest flukes in cricket. You should be proud of that rather than comparing it to wins that obviously weren't flukes.
 
From 1986 Australasia Rothmans Cup onwards, Pakistan stuffed india for the next 17 years. InIan's used to call Sharjah as haar ja for indian team. Pakistan winning the Nehru Cup in India, Australasia Cup 1994 are so brutal India became stuffed by other teams also and went to lose in other countries. If it did not bring sponsors India was a third class team where bhuvi is considered fast bowler.
 
your record in champions trophy is ? 3 -2 rofl. actually 3 -3 because you lost in 1985 which was a champions trophy completion.

Your bilateral record is superior only because you managed to win in the fixed sharjah games. Besides no one gives a flying f about bilaterals
Bilaterals are basically used to test out your players and to get the combination right.

whats wrong with 3-2? 3-2 vs a supposedly all time great Indian team that was supposedly thrashing us. That 85 tourney is no more a champions trophy than the nehru cup. Even when you had your so called big three we kept in touching distance with a pretty average bowling team..

your bilateral and finals record against us is abysmal. You could even beat us in the kitply cup final for goodness sake lol..

India are the biggest flukes and cheats the game has ever seen. Your corrupt board uses its money to change the rules of the game so your tuller baaz batsmen never face real batting conditions. Anytime they come up against decent bowling conditions they just crumble. india is the smoke and mirrors cricket team. Fake and flukey all around..I mean they've never really contributed anything to world cricket. other than bookies and burning stands..

Any trophy win by India is based on cheating, fixing or a fluke. Anytime they've come up against a decent team they get thrashed e.g in the 2003 final etc..2007 was the biggest fluke in the history of the world cup..that india side was literally a tuller baaz team..the bowling has always been rubbish..i mean a country of a billion has never really produced a fast bowler worth mentioning..

the batting is pretty formulaic and relies heavily on the BCCI ensuring flat pitches abound everywhere..and I've never seen a more boring brand of cricket than the one India plays and promotes..just boring..
 
Pakistan had the upper hand against India for 14 years.

Sharjah cup's, Nehru cup, all austral-asia cup's, Inzy hundred, Waqur 5-fer, Asia cup 2000. I guess it was mostly tournments were Pakistan beat India expect Asia cup and that tournament where India chased down 312.
 
From 1986 Australasia Rothmans Cup onwards, Pakistan stuffed india for the next 17 years. InIan's used to call Sharjah as haar ja for indian team. Pakistan winning the Nehru Cup in India, Australasia Cup 1994 are so brutal India became stuffed by other teams also and went to lose in other countries. If it did not bring sponsors India was a third class team where bhuvi is considered fast bowler.

who can forget the epic run of wins in the early 00's where even their mighty batting god tendu bhai was owned by razzaq lol..

I mean the 2005 and 2006 test series are classic examples of how to tame these pretenders..
 
whats wrong with 3-2? 3-2 vs a supposedly all time great Indian team that was supposedly thrashing us. That 85 tourney is no more a champions trophy than the nehru cup. Even when you had your so called big three we kept in touching distance with a pretty average bowling team..

your bilateral and finals record against us is abysmal. You could even beat us in the kitply cup final for goodness sake lol..

India are the biggest flukes and cheats the game has ever seen. Your corrupt board uses its money to change the rules of the game so your tuller baaz batsmen never face real batting conditions. Anytime they come up against decent bowling conditions they just crumble. india is the smoke and mirrors cricket team. Fake and flukey all around..I mean they've never really contributed anything to world cricket. other than bookies and burning stands..

Any trophy win by India is based on cheating, fixing or a fluke. Anytime they've come up against a decent team they get thrashed e.g in the 2003 final etc..2007 was the biggest fluke in the history of the world cup..that india side was literally a tuller baaz team..the bowling has always been rubbish..i mean a country of a billion has never really produced a fast bowler worth mentioning..

the batting is pretty formulaic and relies heavily on the BCCI ensuring flat pitches abound everywhere..and I've never seen a more boring brand of cricket than the one India plays and promotes..just boring..

:)))

Looks like shastriji has hit quite a few nerves.
 
When you whoop the so called best team's butt twice in the same completion at a world event then it's not a fluke. Far from it.

Yea india lost odi's and tests in meaningless bilaterals. so ?
what happened in 85 when it actually mattered in a more serious event? They won again and therefore india proved it was no fluke.

Fluke would be 2017 pakistam and 2019 England.

why are you conflating red ball cricket results with odi? makes no sense. We all know w.indies were a better team at the time. They still got their butts kicked when it mattered in a world cup.
Because in 1983 the World Cup was played with a red ball, during the day, in white clothes, with 120 overs in a day, with no fielding restrictions, with the same wide rules as Test cricket.

After 40 overs of the First Innings the teams went off for Lunch.

After 20 overs of the Second Innings they all went off for Tea.

It basically was Test cricket. That’s the whole point.

There was no such thing as strike rates or slower balls. You had to make the new ball work for you to take wickets caught at third slip or gully.

And BTW my original post said that 1985 wasn’t a fluke. It was just that 1983 clearly was: take away the World Cup and WI won 12 matches and India won 1.
 
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Because in 1983 the World Cup was played with a red ball, during the day, in white clothes, with 120 overs in a day, with no fielding restrictions, with the same wide rules as Test cricket.

After 40 overs of the First Innings the teams went off for Lunch.

After 20 overs of the Second Innings they all went off for Tea.

It basically was Test cricket. That’s the whole point.

There was no such thing as strike rates or slower balls. You had to make the new ball work for you to take wickets caught at third slip or gully.

And BTW my original post said that 1985 wasn’t a fluke. It was just that 1983 clearly was: take away the World Cup and WI won 12 matches and India won 1.

it still wasn't test cricket. They don't play over 5 days and neither is there 2 innings.

pakistan 2017 is more of a Fluke. They got butchered in the Asia cup. destroyed left right and centre in most bilaterals after and neither did they reach the semis of the world cup in 2019.

india won fair and square vs w.indies and then won the 1985 cup as well to prove that their wins over w.indies wasn't a Fluke.

You don't beat the best team twice in the most important competition by fluke.

No one cares about bilateral records. It's more to do with testing your combination.
 
whats wrong with 3-2? 3-2 vs a supposedly all time great Indian team that was supposedly thrashing us. That 85 tourney is no more a champions trophy than the nehru cup. Even when you had your so called big three we kept in touching distance with a pretty average bowling team..

your bilateral and finals record against us is abysmal. You could even beat us in the kitply cup final for goodness sake lol..

India are the biggest flukes and cheats the game has ever seen. Your corrupt board uses its money to change the rules of the game so your tuller baaz batsmen never face real batting conditions. Anytime they come up against decent bowling conditions they just crumble. india is the smoke and mirrors cricket team. Fake and flukey all around..I mean they've never really contributed anything to world cricket. other than bookies and burning stands..

Any trophy win by India is based on cheating, fixing or a fluke. Anytime they've come up against a decent team they get thrashed e.g in the 2003 final etc..2007 was the biggest fluke in the history of the world cup..that india side was literally a tuller baaz team..the bowling has always been rubbish..i mean a country of a billion has never really produced a fast bowler worth mentioning..

the batting is pretty formulaic and relies heavily on the BCCI ensuring flat pitches abound everywhere..and I've never seen a more boring brand of cricket than the one India plays and promotes..just boring..

rofl at the comparisons you make. Like I said no one gives a d man about your rigged sharjah games, kipyley cup, coco cola cup, Dwood Ibrahim sponsored cups. Those aren't a world event.

They are worthless piece of trash fixed rubbish competition played to provide an income stream for betting/match fixers and other kingpins.

Your 1992 was a fluke,. Your 2017 was the biggest fluke.

Your trash team being number 1 in t20 for a year was the biggest fluke achievement of all time.

india don't want flat pitches dummy. It's got nothing to do with india. big 3 decided to provide flat pitches in order to accommodate weak and inferior teams like every other Asian country barring india, west indies etc with an opportunity to promote cricket and improve infrastructure in order to compete with the big 3.


btw india is still a 3rd world country and yet we compete with just about anyone depsite the lack of proper infrastructure , diet/nutrition, poor standard or living.

Pakistan were actually gifted the 2017 champions trophy because cricket became regressive in your country due to poor taluunnt. Icc felt sorry and wanted to revitalize interest in cricket and give your fans a glimmer of hope to rejoice cricket again, hence the title win.

Boy did they get butchered post 2017 though rofl.
 
whats wrong with 3-2? 3-2 vs a supposedly all time great Indian team that was supposedly thrashing us. That 85 tourney is no more a champions trophy than the nehru cup. Even when you had your so called big three we kept in touching distance with a pretty average bowling team..

your bilateral and finals record against us is abysmal. You could even beat us in the kitply cup final for goodness sake lol..

India are the biggest flukes and cheats the game has ever seen. Your corrupt board uses its money to change the rules of the game so your tuller baaz batsmen never face real batting conditions. Anytime they come up against decent bowling conditions they just crumble. india is the smoke and mirrors cricket team. Fake and flukey all around..I mean they've never really contributed anything to world cricket. other than bookies and burning stands..

Any trophy win by India is based on cheating, fixing or a fluke. Anytime they've come up against a decent team they get thrashed e.g in the 2003 final etc..2007 was the biggest fluke in the history of the world cup..that india side was literally a tuller baaz team..the bowling has always been rubbish..i mean a country of a billion has never really produced a fast bowler worth mentioning..

the batting is pretty formulaic and relies heavily on the BCCI ensuring flat pitches abound everywhere..and I've never seen a more boring brand of cricket than the one India plays and promotes..just boring..

I love you for this.

Pretty much summing up India’s cricket lol
 
rofl at the comparisons you make. Like I said no one gives a d man about your rigged sharjah games, kipyley cup, coco cola cup, Dwood Ibrahim sponsored cups. Those aren't a world event.

They are worthless piece of trash fixed rubbish competition played to provide an income stream for betting/match fixers and other kingpins.

Your 1992 was a fluke,. Your 2017 was the biggest fluke.

Your trash team being number 1 in t20 for a year was the biggest fluke achievement of all time.

india don't want flat pitches dummy. It's got nothing to do with india. big 3 decided to provide flat pitches in order to accommodate weak and inferior teams like every other Asian country barring india, west indies etc with an opportunity to promote cricket and improve infrastructure in order to compete with the big 3.


btw india is still a 3rd world country and yet we compete with just about anyone depsite the lack of proper infrastructure , diet/nutrition, poor standard or living.

Pakistan were actually gifted the 2017 champions trophy because cricket became regressive in your country due to poor taluunnt. Icc felt sorry and wanted to revitalize interest in cricket and give your fans a glimmer of hope to rejoice cricket again, hence the title win.

Boy did they get butchered post 2017 though rofl.

lol i thought India was a shooper powaar? with their puffy chests? Your one batting retirement away from mediocrity lol.

I mean sharma looks like he eats a goat everyday, Kohli will probably carry your team until his reflexes and technique start to wane which will happen. The rest are pretty boring and mediocre.

Your bowling is pretty much reliant on one guy who will start to get injured more and more..

The next gen think they are shooperisthaars before they get on the pitch and will mire themselves in mickey mouse IPL cricket..a few parties and they will be done too..

It looks pretty bleak for India who lets face it are never a flamboyant, stylish team. Always metronimical and munshi'esque. in other words , boring..They will never lead world cricket. I mean if thanos came and clicked his fingers and made the Indian team disappear, nobody would really miss them..
 
lol i thought India was a shooper powaar? with their puffy chests? Your one batting retirement away from mediocrity lol.

I mean sharma looks like he eats a goat everyday, Kohli will probably carry your team until his reflexes and technique start to wane which will happen. The rest are pretty boring and mediocre.

Your bowling is pretty much reliant on one guy who will start to get injured more and more..

The next gen think they are shooperisthaars before they get on the pitch and will mire themselves in mickey mouse IPL cricket..a few parties and they will be done too..

It looks pretty bleak for India who lets face it are never a flamboyant, stylish team. Always metronimical and munshi'esque. in other words , boring..They will never lead world cricket. I mean if thanos came and clicked his fingers and made the Indian team disappear, nobody would really miss them..

you are confusing talent for being boring. If it's boring and they are winning which they have post 2000 then it is effective.

Ok thanks. Let's see what happens. You don't think india have future stars lol? You will be surprised how many talented kids are out there. They just don't have the political clout or support to get picked for the national squad. Either way there are plenty of young guns waiting in the line.

Sure pakistan have talent but they are wildly inconsistent. Until they lose the unpredictable have they will never be number 1 in tests again or dominate in odi or t20.
 
I remember that match. IIRC Shastri was man of the tournament and won a Audi 100 which he drove round the outfield. I was dead jealous as I loved those cars.
 
Shastri's only great achievement. Outside that, he was just bits and pieces cricketer in both the formats.
 
lmao. How many weeks has pakistan held the number one title in tests overall again?

7 0 in WC
11-0 overall
3- 3 in champions trophy

Lol you guys fully became no.1 in test after 80years.

Too much cockiness will come back and hunt you. Lol remember WC’19 semi-finals and Pant was projected to score 300 runs in 100 balls. Instead of 300 runs, him and pandya laid 2 eggs lmao!!!!!
 
Lol you guys fully became no.1 in test after 80years.

Too much cockiness will come back and hunt you. Lol remember WC’19 semi-finals and Pant was projected to score 300 runs in 100 balls. Instead of 300 runs, him and pandya laid 2 eggs lmao!!!!!

we have held the title of world number 1 in tests multiple times in test cricket. Infect more than south africa.

We have been number 1 even prior to 90s.
 
we have held the title of world number 1 in tests multiple times in test cricket. Infect more than south africa.

We have been number 1 even prior to 90s.

Playing your tests in Nagpur pitches with cracks and overnight tempering by ground staff under BCCI directions can make anyone a number one test team lol.

Give Bangladesh or Afghanistan a cracky and dirty day one pitch that behaves like a day 10 pitch, they will remove current India XI under 100 runs.

Bro, you guys need to win outside Asia to call yourself a good test team.
 
Playing your tests in Nagpur pitches with cracks and overnight tempering by ground staff under BCCI directions can make anyone a number one test team lol.

Give Bangladesh or Afghanistan a cracky and dirty day one pitch that behaves like a day 10 pitch, they will remove current India XI under 100 runs.

Bro, you guys need to win outside Asia to call yourself a good test team.

lol that's cute. You know what's funny india don't even prepare turning tracks.
india actually prepare the fairest tracks bro.
india have won in australia bro.
Pakistan haven't won a single TEST MATCH or drawn since 99.

give Bangladesh, Afghanistan or Pakistan any kind of Asian pitch and they still would never be able to dominate in Asia like india. Not in their wildest dreams. even ranji trophy teams would smash you schmucks.

the only reason pakistan even play well in england and n.z is because England allows them to play county.

Indians don't play county otherwise we would more often there too.
besides winning in england and n.z is nothing special. Australia and India are the most difficult tours for away teams bro. india only care about Australian tours.

bro good luck next season bro.
 
People posting in this thread post sensibly or their posts will be deleted.
 
Because in 1983 the World Cup was played with a red ball, during the day, in white clothes, with 120 overs in a day, with no fielding restrictions, with the same wide rules as Test cricket.

After 40 overs of the First Innings the teams went off for Lunch.

After 20 overs of the Second Innings they all went off for Tea.

It basically was Test cricket. That’s the whole point.

There was no such thing as strike rates or slower balls. You had to make the new ball work for you to take wickets caught at third slip or gully.

And BTW my original post said that 1985 wasn’t a fluke. It was just that 1983 clearly was: take away the World Cup and WI won 12 matches and India won 1.

India beat WI in the group match as well.

So in that WC India beat WI 2-1 in total of 3 matches.
 
Don't know why professionals such as Ravi Shastri can't use professional language. You can't even say "Stuffing someone" in front of families. Ridiculous! Just could've said "Beaten" Pakistan. We all know what stuffing actually means. Poor quality words as usual from Ravi.
 
I hate this 1983 fluke thing they won didn't they why didn't WI turned up when it mattered the most the finals so please stop if someone wins a tournament that means they deserved let's just stop right there
 
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