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Suggest ways to get Steve Smith out

Maybe try to bowl a negative line with a left-arm spinner from around the wicket.
 
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far better test player than kohli. GOAT level. Far more clutch than kohli. best batsman I have ever seen.
 
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Retired hurt!
 
tyron_woodley said:
far better test player than kohli. GOAT level. Far more clutch than kohli. best batsman I have ever seen.
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Yep a quality player, as for the best ever you've just witness what pace can do, vivian Richards never wore a helmet against anyone, and he pretty much took everyone apart
 
Manunited18 said:
Yep a quality player, as for the best ever you've just witness what pace can do, vivian Richards never wore a helmet against anyone, and he pretty much took everyone apart
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did he really though?
all the best bowlers played for his team Beat fast bowlers. No practice is not real cricket. He never faced those terrifying quartlet in an actual game.
 
tyron_woodley said:
did he really though?
all the best bowlers played for his team Beat fast bowlers. No practice is not real cricket. He never faced those terrifying quartlet in an actual game.
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Lillee and Thomson weren’t terrifying? WISDEN described Lillee and Thomson as the most fearsome fast bowling duo in history.
 
Hitman said:
Lillee and Thomson weren’t terrifying? WISDEN described Lillee and Thomson as the most fearsome fast bowling duo in history.
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I suppose but not as terrifying as holding, garner, Marshall, Roberts.
smith is just too Damn good. he would be an all time great in any era.
 
tyron_woodley said:
did he really though?
all the best bowlers played for his team Beat fast bowlers. No practice is not real cricket. He never faced those terrifying quartlet in an actual game.
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Lol, Thomson was at his peak lightning fast, he faced imran who was also genuinely fast, later in his career he faced wasim who was rapid, waqar who also was lightning quick
 
Manunited18 said:
Lol, Thomson was at his peak lightning fast, he faced imran who was also genuinely fast, later in his career he faced wasim who was rapid, waqar who also was lightning quick
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imran was never ever considered genuinely fast. get real. waqar yes. wasim no. fast medium at best. none of those 3 are as quick as the west indian quartlet. Thompson bowls express pace but he isn't as lethal as the other 4. he used to get carted around because quite a lot when conditions weren't helpful.
 
tyron_woodley said:
imran was never ever considered genuinely fast. get real. waqar yes. wasim no. fast medium at best. none of those 3 are as quick as the west indian quartlet. Thompson bowls express pace but he isn't as lethal as the other 4. he used to get carted around because quite a lot when conditions weren't helpful.
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Imran was genuinely quick. Even Maninder Singh confirmed it in an article he wrote. He lost his pace during his later years.
 
Hitman said:
Imran was genuinely quick. Even Maninder Singh confirmed it in an article he wrote. He lost his pace during his later years.
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He was not express. bowling a few overs doesn't warrant express pace. West Indian quartlet were genuinely quick.
 
tyron_woodley said:
He was not express. bowling a few overs doesn't warrant express pace. West Indian quartlet were genuinely quick.
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Imran was genuinely quick, so was wasim and definitely was waqar, my point Viv faced these 90 mph bowlers without a helmet and pretty much handled anyone
 
tyron_woodley said:
imran was never ever considered genuinely fast. get real. waqar yes. wasim no. fast medium at best. none of those 3 are as quick as the west indian quartlet. Thompson bowls express pace but he isn't as lethal as the other 4. he used to get carted around because quite a lot when conditions weren't helpful.
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Garner was fast medium, croft was deceptive but not express, holding was Roberts was on occasions
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Worth bowling a yorker or two on middle or leg stump to Steve Smith for the first 20 balls he faces.. havent seen a bowler try that yet.</p>— Herschelle Gibbs (@hershybru) <a href="https://twitter.com/hershybru/status/1162321226418786305?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">August 16, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Lots of bowlers have tried this.

If you saw the innings Smith played at Dharmshala against India in 2017, the fast bowlers specifically tried doing this and he kept flicking them away for runs on th leg side.

The guy is simply batting on another plane right now, not sure any plan can consistently succeed.
 
Using short ball strategy as done by Jofra Archer seems one of the most effective weapons against Smith. Smith being a technically imperfect batsman would find it that much difficult to move out of the line when faced against a fast short pitch delivery at the last moment especially when he commits to that trigger movement earlier in advance. More technically perfect batsmen can move out of the way at the least with a bit of difficulty .
 
Smith's dismissal against Ehsan Adil in Pak vs Aus in QF of 2015 WC was so satisfactory.
 
satheesh said:
Using short ball strategy as done by Jofra Archer seems one of the most effective weapons against Smith. Smith being a technically imperfect batsman would find it that much difficult to move out of the line when faced against a fast short pitch delivery at the last moment especially when he commits to that trigger movement earlier in advance. More technically perfect batsmen can move out of the way at the least with a bit of difficulty .
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Agree, the famous sandpaper series in South Africa rabada actually roughed him up with short bowling
 
Manunited18 said:
Agree, the famous sandpaper series in South Africa rabada actually roughed him up with short bowling
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the one certain effect of such a strategy is that even if that does not necessarily get him out , it can easily give him a mental scar w.r.t his safety and thus psyche him up. The thing that it would be very difficult for him to get out of the line of such a nasty delivery because of his fragile technique & there by his safety itself would be playing in his mind .
 
Chief Destroyer said:
Rabada is one bowler Smith hasn't had a lot of success against. He's in fact struggled to play him.
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Rabada has all the weapons required to unsettle smith, so no surprise there, im not surprised archers troubled him, he's another bowler who can take the surface out of the equation
 
Archer showed that Smith has some weaknesses against fast short balls. That is probably the only weakness he has.
 
Rabada is the only answer for now. Aus-SA will be interesting, Saffers already have won the last two series but now they don't have any big name in the batting.
 
Honestly if Smith could average close to 50 in ODIs, he would probably be ahead of Kohli without debate.
 
Short ball isnt it.

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After scoring a sublime 211 at Old Trafford in the fourth Ashes Test, star Australia batsman Steve Smith explained how England may have played into his hands by bowling short.

Smith had copped a nasty blow from a Jofra Archer bouncer at Lord's, which caused him a delayed concussion, forcing him to miss the next game at Headingley.

Smith had looked a touch uncertain against the bouncer in that second Test, and England were all too keen to exploit that apparent weakness. But the Australia No.4 was prepared, and ducked and swayed decisively to render England's efforts ineffective.

Rather than faze him, Smith said that the short ball eliminated several other modes of dismissal and worked in his favour in more ways than one.

"I faced a lot of short-pitched bowling and haven’t had too many issues," Smith said, fresh after scoring his third Test double-century, which guided his side to 497/8 declared. "The opposition bowling there means they can’t hit my pad or nick me off. It softens up the ball too and that plays into my hands."

Overall, Smith – who now has 589 runs in the ongoing series, 262 clear of second-best Ben Stokes – said he was satisfied to be back among the runs, especially because it gives Australia a strong chance to push for victory.

"It’s satisfying to get a big score. I was disappointed to miss Headingley, but I wasn’t quite right and the right call was made. It gave me time to recover and I felt good. I was confident and have got us into a nice position."

The 30-year-old, who now has 26 Test tons, didn't shy away from recognising that he'd enjoyed a bit of good fortune during knock. Early in the day, he'd failed to keep a straight-drive down, offering Archer a very tough return catch. But the biggest slice of luck came when he nicked off to Ben Stokes at first slip on 118, only to find out that Jack Leach had overstepped.

"I had some luck, yeah. You always need some when you score big runs. It fell my way today. I was in a hurry for 20 minutes [after lunch], and after being caught off the no-ball, I switched myself back on. When I saw the foot over the line I thought 'how good is this? I get to carry on batting'."

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1337915
 
tyron_woodley said:
bumrah, rabada who already did, boult in swing conditions.
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Any bowler can get him out, but the challenge is to keep him quiet and not allow him to pile up those big hundreds. Rabada kept him quiet in the sandpaper series, and it will be very interesting to see how he fares against Bumrah the next time they meet.

Bumrah is untouchable at the moment, and if Smith can dominate him and have another prolific series, he will cement himself as the GOAT Test batsman in my opinion.
 
The key for Pakistan will be to have one genuinely quick fast bowler operating at one end to Smith, bwoling bouncers and yorkers. And have an accurate line length bowler at the other end. Try and frustrate him with the quicky, and try edge him out from the other end.

Lets hope one of the young fast bowlers does well in the QeA trophy and Misbah picks one of them.
 
Nasser Hussain on how he would look to dismiss run machine Steve Smith - and why Stuart Broad keeps getting David Warner out...

Mikey Holding did an excellent piece on Third Man on why he would not pack the leg side with fielders against Steve Smith, something Ted Dexter said he would do.

The problem captains face, though, is that Smith scores most of his runs on the leg side but you are asking your bowlers to operate outside off stump.

If you have boundary savers on the leg side then bowlers will, by default, go straight and he will knock you around all day.

I would hide the ball outside off, around fifth stump, not top of off, because he moves so far across. I would then have a sweeper fielder on the off side. That takes out a few dismissals but when he gets to 20 or 30, that's what I would do.

When he first come in, like everyone, try and get him out. Stuart Broad went past his edge on a number of occasions, he could have had him out half a dozen times.

You can bowl straight to him early. When you tell your bowlers straight, they often think middle and leg but straight means top of off, especially to Smith, who shuffles so far across.

The ball has done a bit in England this summer, look at the amount of left-handers Broad has been getting lbw, but England have not been able to get Smith lbw because his bat arc comes down perfectly to access the ball on the stumps.

So, when he gets in I would want an off-side sweeper and try and take the leg side out of the equation. You have to be full with that. I don't think England have pitched it up enough, I have not seen too many classic Smith cover drives.

If you bowl a length then he will murder you leg side, as he has done during an outstanding series for him.

You do not realise what you have until it is taken away from you and it was taken away from him after Cape Town and the ball-tampering ban last year. He is making up for lost time, making up for all those runs he missed out on. He is certainly cashing in.

Broad has also been mighty impressive in this series, particularly against left-handers. He is moving the ball both ways, bowling fuller and bringing lbw and bowled into play.

He has found the outside edge of David Warner's bat so Warner has gone further across and then Broad, very smartly, has nibbled in back in.

He gets bounce, his pace is up, he is bowling nearly as quick as he has ever done. He has bowled as well this summer as I have seen him in a long time which is a terrific sign, what with James Anderson's injury problems of late.

I would not say Broad lives in Jimmy's shadow - Stuart is the sort of bloke who does not think he is in anyone's shadow - but Anderson has been top dog and leader of the attack for a number of years.

When he is not there, Stuart seems to like the extra responsibility but he always likes responsibility. I would have him in every Ashes series because you need people you want to go into the trenches with. Broad is one of those, without doubt.

Jofra Archer has had an up-and-down game meanwhile but he is in his third Test match - people have to remember that. Bowling fast is not easy - if it was, everyone would be doing it.

We should not get confused. Just because he bowled at 95mph at Lord's does not mean he is a 95mph bowler. He is around 90-plus with the odd ball up at 95.

Bowling coach Chris Silverwood is right, we need to cut Archer some slack. For any young cricketer the ups and downs on the graph are more exaggerated, much more than someone like Broad. Considering the summer Archer has had, he is allowed to have an off day.

Warner's form is at the bottom of the graph with three ducks in a row. It is now for Australia to decide what sort of state he is in mentally and whether there is a doubt about him for the Oval Test.

It is more difficult when it is one bowler, as it is with Broad for Warner. That's always going to be the battle, it's always going to be around the wicket.

In a five-match series, when you cannot get away from that bowler, it is very difficult. I speak from experience with Courtney Walsh, Michael Atherton will speak from experience with Glenn McGrath.

You just have to strap your pads on and convince yourself this time you will be able to do it. It is more mental than technical for Warner.

Warner was one those to go as a lot of effort from England got Australia four down at tea on day four and themselves back into the game, to a degree.

Archer and Broad were bowling magnificently and the crowd was rocking, so you would have thought that they would have pushed harder for the next 40 minutes.

You cannot just go Archer and Broad again after they have both bowled nine overs before the break but give them three overs each at one end with Jack Leach at the other.

Craig Overton is a fine bowler but he is not Broad or Archer.

There were other things, too, such as not having a short leg when Leach was bowling into the rough to Matthew Wade, who he has got out that way before.

You immediately sensed that England were sitting in. That quietened the crowd down. The enthusiasm and fever that had been created just died down and the moment was gone, even when Broad came back on after that.

https://www.skysports.com/cricket/n...-steve-smith-out-plus-stuart-broads-fine-form
 
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Still convinced that the only way to bowl at him is to nag away at a line around fifth stump with the odd sharp bouncer at the throat thrown in for extra measure. A bit of pace would no doubt help.

What bowlers shouldn't be doing is constantly feeding him on the pads because they get carried away looking at his technique.

Furthermore, it's when the fielding captain constantly changes his plan after every over, as Root has done during this series, that exacerbates the crisis.
 
In an elusive list featuring some of the greatest players of all time, former New Zealand all-rounder Sir Richard Hadlee called Australia’s ace batsman Steve Smith the most unorthodox player he’d seen, and said he'd be "very annoying" to bowl to.

Speaking to Stuff on the toughest batsman to dismiss, the most aggravating, the most dominant and most complete, Hadlee, New Zealand’s highest wicket-taker in Tests, said: "But I never bowled to anyone as unorthodox as [Smith]. And I would find it very annoying bowling to him, like many others have, because of his batting routine and how fidgety he is when he faces up."

Smith proved next to impossible to dismiss during the Ashes series in England, where Australia retained the urn, on the back of the former captain’s 774 runs in seven innings, at an average of 110.57. The million dollar question of how he could be dismissed was the running theme as Australia insured themselves against a Test series defeat in England for the first time since 2001.

"Get too straight and he'll just ping you on the leg side, then you go wider and he'll smash you through the off side"
Weighing in on the topic, Hadlee said: “Stick to the basics of attacking that off stump, whether he plays at you or lets you go, so be it. You've got to try to get him out early with a nick or a ball coming back and hitting him on the pads. The way he comes right across in front of the stumps, if he misses he's going to be dead most times, but he doesn't miss often."

Hadlee’s observations are drawn from two of Smith’s dismissals in the Ashes. At Lord’s, after returning to bat from a blow to the head by Jofra Archer, Smith shouldered arms to a straight ball from Chris Woakes that would’ve crashed into middle stump.

Then, in the final Test at The Oval, against the same bowler, Smith walked across his stumps to another straight ball and missed it, angled from around the off-stump line and thudding into middle and leg. "Bowlers will get frustrated and try and do too much,” Hadlee said. “And get too straight, and he'll just ping you on the leg side, then you go wider and he'll smash you through the off side. There will be a time if you can't get him out, you've just got to be patient: 'there's my line, if you want to play at me you do it'.

"If it's six inches outside off stump or three inches outside off stump, you've just got to stay there, stay there until he makes a mistake. In the meantime, he'll collect runs, invariably hundreds, the way he's going."

Hadlee also said that the eccentricities of Smith’s body language at the crease can put off bowlers. Calling it a mind game, Hadlee likened Smith’s unusual demeanour to Javed Miandad’s ability to demoralise attacks with the way he batted.

"He's difficult, and those idiosyncrasies, where he lets the ball go and arcs his bat and turns his body, gosh, that would annoy me,” Hadlee said. "It's a mind game, and the signals he gives the bowler and fielding team is that 'I'm in total control here, you're not going to get me out, whatever you do. I can play you'.

"Those idiosyncrasies, where he lets the ball go and arcs his bat and turns his body, gosh, that would annoy me”

"It's something Javed Miandad did, he egged the bowlers on with the way he batted. Different technique, but it's a psychological approach and it can have a hugely negative effect."

Hadlee, however, said that with time bowlers will find a way around the star batsman, once his form invariably dips. "He may start to think 'I'm not as invincible as I have been and people have worked me out'. Some negativity could come into his game.

"At the moment, he's on an extreme high and bowlers will fear him. Until that other situation happens, he'll march on and score a lot of runs.”

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/1356587
 
OK, am pretty sure the best way to get Smith out is caught in the slips. Let’s just consider pace bowling.

My feeling is a left armer may have a slight advantage to Smith, with the natural angle away from his bat. But let’s just consider the best thing to do if you are a right arm fast bowler.

His only weakness is when he is driving the ball outside of his eyeline. He does this consistently without getting his foot to the pitch of the ball. Hence if there is a little bit of movement, he will nick off. This is generally a pricey way to get him out as he will drive plenty of balls for four as well. Here it is:

You mostly pitch length, very slightly back-of—length fourth-fifth-sixth stump. Nothing short. He has excellent judgement of line, so will leave the ball constantly. You take a deep point slightly behind square, cover ring with one saving the single, three slips, or two and a gully, midwicket, mid-on on the single. Yes, this is an 7-2 field! So you do this constantly. Do not give him the easy one onto the off side, do not give him the easy boundary to point, make him leave a lot of balls. He can have the single to point as will open the face for it.

OK, so on a length again and again and again. This will not get him out. Then every now and then you look to SWING a full one on fifth-sixth stump. He will definitely go for the cover drive without moving his feet. If you have the skill and the ball moves even a little, swing or seam, then because he is playing outside his eyeline without getting his foot to the pitch, he will probably nick off. Expensive strategy, but only way to go, imo! He has great hand-eye, so when it doesn’t swing, will go for four. So you have to be able to bowl a full outswinger to execute this plan, and you have to make sure the full ball is not predictable. That’s why the constant stream of length balls to starve him of runs. In general, it is better to go fuller at Smith rather than short, unless you have the pace to try and kill him.
 
Simple fast bowler balls normal balls on off stump.
He normal tries to flick everything leg side.
Fast bowler bowl off spinner on legs or leg spinner on his legs catch him by surprise.
mix it up with bouncers.

Got him....
 
I have not been following Pakistani cricket. How's your current test bowling? Any exciting bowling prospects?
 
There is no easy way to get him out, he is like Chanderpaul v2. Awkward stance and different way to play the ball. The only way I see is to change the bowling length according to his feet movement. Also, he always had issues with left arm bowlers whether its a fast bowler or orthodox.
 
weak against leg spin? also weak against bouncers to throat. Watch rabada bowl to him. Contrary to what everyone believe he has a genuine weakness against proper bouncers.
 
Make all the excuses you want but the fact is Pakistan is the only country in the world, currently, who can dismiss steve smith this cheaply on his current form.
 
Smith is as useless as warner, kohli and sharma when theres swing!
Only kane and root can play swing out of the top batsman today, and of course babar.
Root is in terrible form, with the burden of captaincy and kane is also carrying the burden of captaincy, but doing it better than root.
 
Captain caveman said:
Smith is as useless as warner, kohli and sharma when theres swing!
Only kane and root can play swing out of the top batsman today, and of course babar.
Root is in terrible form, with the burden of captaincy and kane is also carrying the burden of captaincy, but doing it better than root.
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Smith has scored tons of runs against swing.

I’m baffled to as to what you’re even talking about
 
New Zealand worked it out first.

First at the World Cup, now twice in this match.

Bowl short at his body and he will get out caught on the leg side.
 
It’s his backlift: he can’t get a good swing or keep it down when he tries to pull.

It’s not the hook, it’s the pull and the glance and the fend that are the problem.
 
Junaids said:
New Zealand worked it out first.

First at the World Cup, now twice in this match.

Bowl short at his body and he will get out caught on the leg side.
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Steve Smith is perhaps the greatest problem solver in cricket.

He has a knack, a talent, to learn on the run; to milk some form of lesson from every single ball he faces and absorb it into his brain which, it has to be said, is reserved exclusively for cricket, and cricket-related matters.

And that’s his greatest weapon. The ability to learn and improve on the run during a match, and adapt to any possible challenge thrown his way.

At least, that’s until he meets this New Zealand cricket team.

Have the Black Caps figured Steve Smith out?

Twice this Test they’ve set a trap for Australia’s best player. And twice it’s been executed to perfection.

Stack his leg side and get Neil Wagner to bowl short-pitched rockets up and into his rib cage.

In the first innings he hit one straight the throat of a leg-side trap fielder. On Day 3 he smashed a cut shot to the square leg man and was out for 16.

It’s the first time in a long time you could say Smith has a problem he’s struggling to fix.

Expect every opposition team for the next however long to set the same, or similar, field, and bowl the same way to Australia’s self-confessed cricket nerd.

This is now the first time in his Test career Smith hasn’t surpassed a 50-run score for three straight games.

His average so far this summer is a measly 24.4. That’s down on his career average of 63.75.

Cricket legends who spoke to foxsports.com.au are confident Smith isn’t in a form rut, or that he’s been exposed by the Kiwis.

“You could argue that it’s a plan, it clearly worked yesterday,” Michael Vaughan said after the first innings.

“It was difficult for Steve Smith, they bowled well at him. He just had one of those days where he proved that he’s human.

“He wasn’t hitting it out of the middle of the bat, he wasn’t finding rhythm as quickly as he generally does.

“New Zealand has bowled well to him in the past. Trent Boult has bowled well to him, Neil Wagner … maybe that’s an area teams will try to focus on Steve Smith.

“I wouldn’t say he’s got a weakness against it, I’m sure he will find a way.”

Yes, he will find a way. Because he is Steve Smith, and that’s what Steve Smith does.

It’s what makes him the best modern batsman in Test cricket. It’s what makes him our best since Sir Don Bradman.

There’s two matches left in this series against New Zealand.

When Smith strolls to the crease in Melbourne in two weeks’ time, the Black Caps will do exactly the same thing.

What Smith does will show us why he’s the best problem solver in the game.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/cricke...m/news-story/dedd4d20e19ae35c9a1001bdf515b429
 
Seems like he is struggling with form.. Also Marnus claiming all the glory must have been hard for him after being the center of attention for past years (jealousy is the human trait shared by us all).

He can easily go for 200 the next game though.
 
Also Wagner is a very clever bowler.. So many have fallen under his 125 km/h short balls! Can't wait to see him against India.
 
Junaids said:
New Zealand worked it out first.

First at the World Cup, now twice in this match.

Bowl short at his body and he will get out caught on the leg side.
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Chrish said:
Also Wagner is a very clever bowler.. So many have fallen under his 125 km/h short balls! Can't wait to see him against India.
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Congratulations to NZ for working this out.

And for executing it with no express bowler in the team.
 
Junaids said:
Congratulations to NZ for working this out.

And for executing it with no express bowler in the team.
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Think most knew it was a weakness after the WC. He doesn't control the short ball well. Think he got out like that in the D/N Test in 2016/17 like that last time too, hence they used the same plan this tour.
 
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