Suresh Raina, Irfan Pathan want Indian players to participate in foreign T20 leagues

[MenInG]

Former India all-rounder Irfan Pathan and India batsman Suresh Raina on Saturday said that BCCI should consider allowing Indian players in foreign leagues

Raina and Pathan were participating in an Instagram Live session and it was during the session that they said that the BCCI should allow cricketers to play in foreign domestic leagues.

Apart from taking his own name, Raina mentioned the names of players like Robin Uthappa who have not yet announced their retirements but are out of the Indian side for a long time and said that BCCI should allow them to play in different leagues.

According to BCCI rules an Indian cricketer cannot take part in any foreign league till the time he hasn’t announced his formal retirement from all forms of cricket, including IPL.

“I wish BCCI plans something with ICC or the franchises that Indian players get to play foreign leagues. At least allow us to play in two different foreign leagues. If we play quality cricket in terms of foreign leagues, then it would be good for us. All international players make a comeback by playing in all those leagues,” Raina told Pathan during the session.

On the other hand, Irfan Pathan said that the BCCI should at least allow those players to play in foreign T20 leagues who are not on the radar to play international matches and are at least 30 years old.

“There is a different mindset in different countries. Michael Hussey made his debut at the age of 29 for Australia, an Indian player can never make his debut at the age of 30. I think as long as you are fit, you should be available to play for your country. I would suggest that all those players who are 30 years old and they are not on your radar to play international matches, you should allow them to play in foreign leagues,” Pathan told Raina.

During the session, Raina also said that there was no communication between him and the then chairman of selectors MSK Prasad regarding his selection in the national team.

Former Indian pacer Pathan asked Raina to give his best in order to make a comeback into the national side.

Pathan announced his retirement from all forms of cricket in January this year.


Meanwhile, Raina would have been in action for Chennai Super Kings (CSK) if IPL had commenced from March 29.

However, the tournament has been suspended indefinitely due to the coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...t20-leagues/story-bbrjiAdOfYjgnnLGxD3tHL.html

 

[MenInG]

If this happens, we could we see Indian players in PSL?

 

[CanadianG00se]

BCCI is never allowing any players to play in foreign leagues.

 

[CanadianG00se]

If this happens, we could we see Indian players in PSL?

Even if Indian players are allowed in overseas league, I highly doubt anyone would go to Pakistan for PSL as they could face huge backlash at home.

 

[Bezli]

It looks like Raina and Pathan are drying up with their cash.

Let them play Manzi League and T10 league.

 

[Savak]

Lol, these are probably players out of favour with India and the IPL teams. Where else can they go to make good money?

 

[NishanKonar]

Makes no sense why BCCI should deprive players like Raina , Irfan , Uthappa from playing in foreign leagues like BBL or CPL when they are no longer in reckoning for national team

 

[NishanKonar]

Lol, these are probably players out of favour with India and the IPL teams. Where else can they go to make good money?

Well Suresh Raina has $1.7 millon deal with CSK & Uthappa just signed $ 500,000 deal with Rajasthan Royals

Irfan has nt played in IPL since 2017 though

 

[Bezli]

Well Suresh Raina has $1.7 millon deal with CSK & Uthappa just signed $ 500,000 deal with Rajasthan Royals

Irfan has nt played in IPL since 2017 though

$1.7 is his 401K money. He wants real cash from PSL and Manzsi League.

 

[Gotham Cronie]

Makes no sense why BCCI should deprive players like Raina , Irfan , Uthappa from playing in foreign leagues like BBL or CPL when they are no longer in reckoning for national team

It makes sense when one party is insecure.

 

[Smbhayi]

It looks like Raina and Pathan are drying up with their cash.

Let them play Manzi League and T10 league.

Lol Pathan can play foreign leagues.. But he knows he's not good anymore..

 

[Rana]

Maybe Covid has made people realise to not take anything for granted.

 

[Aman]

Would love to see some Indian players in the Super Smash.

 

[chazam]

They will need bcci permission which they will never get. Also they will lose BCCI pension if they go against their will. No that Raina needs it he has made plenty of millions with IPL money

 

[chazam]

Zaheer Khan got permission to play in T10. I think bcci has a policy that if you play Ranji trophy you need permission to play overseas league. Which is valid enough as BCCI pays good money to domestic cricketers they Want to protect their brand IPL

 

[hitthestump]

Makes no sense why BCCI should deprive players like Raina , Irfan , Uthappa from playing in foreign leagues like BBL or CPL when they are no longer in reckoning for national team

It makes a lot of sense when you consider that the BCCI would happily ban all t20 leagues apart from their own if it was possible.

 

[MenInG]

Former India bowler Irfan Pathan and Suresh Raina on Saturday spoke about how the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) could look at allowing non-contracted Indian players to play in at least two foreign T20 leagues outside the Indian Premier League. But board officials feel that exclusivity is the key.

Speaking to IANS, a BCCI official said that the whole idea to keep the Indian cricketers away from other T20 leagues was to make them exclusive. He went on to suggest that the intent is always there to provide a system where non-contracted players are able to command a good value at the auction.

“One usually finds these views emanating from those who can see the wall of retirement approaching and it’s only natural. That’s their view. It’s the luxury of having the freedom of a tunnel vision with a view to further their own interests and that’s absolutely fine.

“From the point of view of the board and the interests of Indian cricket, the intent is to ensure a system where the non-contracted players are able to command good value at the IPL auction. Exclusivity is the key,” the official said.

In fact, he went on to add that those who have stakes in the IPL should refrain from investing in foreign leagues.

“The time has instead arrived where investment in foreign leagues by those who have a stake in the IPL would have to be restricted as that flies in the face of the principles of conflict propounded by the Apex Court and in these circumstances every bit of Indian money is required to boost the Indian economy rather than boosting foreign economies,” the official explained.

There have been reports in recent times that IPL franchise Kolkata Knight Riders might be keen to invest in The Hundred if it is opened to private investment.

As for allowing Indian players in T20 leagues, Raina in an Instagram live video chat with Irfan said: “I wish BCCI plans something with ICC or the franchises that Indian players who don’t have contract with the BCCI are allowed to play outside. At least allow us to play in two different foreign leagues. If we play quality cricket in terms of foreign leagues, then it would be good for us. All international players make a comeback by playing in all those leagues,” he said.

Irfan echoed the sentiments and said he had offers to play in “three leagues” when he was offered the J&K job. “I had offers from three leagues in my hand when I was approached for the Jammu and Kashmir team. The first one I won’t be taking their name, I had rejected them straightaway. The second was Carribean Premier League and I had their contract in my hands. Only thing was that I had to take permission and retire. The third was the T10 league. I was doing the rounds of the BCCI to understand what the rules were. But I felt there was no better offer than to serve Jammu and Kashmir cricket,” he said.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...t20-leagues/story-teEbPMYh5CLSUZaAbSZkxH.html

 

[CanadianG00se]

Irfan Pathan is really salty here. He knew he could have took up the contract with Caribbean T20 if he had just retired from Indian cricket. But he knows joining foreign league would mean out of favour with BCCI permanently( also impacting his role as coach/mentor with Indian team in future).

He needs to pick one or the other, he can’t have both the options.

 

[The Viper]

BCCI should allow those players who are past it to compete in foreign T20 leagues. I don't see how it will harm the IPL.

 

[silentkiller187]

Didn’t harbajhan put his name forward for the hundred draft recently, then withdrew because of some backlash from the bcci. The official line seems to be retire and you can play elsewhere. However majority of players don’t want to get on the bad side of the bcci.

 

[Slog]

Irfan Pathan is really salty here. He knew he could have took up the contract with Caribbean T20 if he had just retired from Indian cricket. But he knows joining foreign league would mean out of favour with BCCI permanently( also impacting his role as coach/mentor with Indian team in future).

He needs to pick one or the other, he can’t have both the options.

Didn’t harbajhan put his name forward for the hundred draft recently, then withdrew because of some backlash from the bcci. The official line seems to be retire and you can play elsewhere. However majority of players don’t want to get on the bad side of the bcci.

it's not that its just retiring from Indian national team

BCCI wants you to retire from every form of Indian cricket period. Ranji, IPL, state leagues. you name it

Thats a big trade. Raina, Bhajji etc are still getting IPL contracts which is why they will not take this wager obv.

Also I think second tier Indian players are missing out a lot on this.

Over the years, several dozen random Aussie domestic performers have played IPL and other leagues before their international debuts. (Marsh, Stoinis and many many others.) Same with players in other countries such as Saffers and England. Playing in these leagues and esp IPL allowed them to get to the next level on a fast track basis and gave their career a huge push.

I think many second tier Indian players are really being deprived of this opportunity. They're not at the level yet to become regulars in the Indian national team but could snag these deals and really elevate their game. BBL ,CPL etc would sign them up. At the very least they could get financial security and bring tat experience back to Indian cricket. But they are being shorn of that opportunity.

 

[Slog]

Off te top of my head the following players were IPL players for a few season before becoming international regulars, if they became that at all:

Stoinis, Sandhu, Pomersbach, Handscomb, Henriques, Cutting, Maddinson, Blizzard, Tye.

In the development of Stoinis and Handscomb etc getting the opportunity to play in IPL and others was a huge push in their development.

Wouldn't Indian players who have potential for the national team but just not there in development benefit from getting gigs abroad?

Obv marquee players like Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah etc who are regulars arent the ones im advocating

 

[chazam]

Off te top of my head the following players were IPL players for a few season before becoming international regulars, if they became that at all:

Stoinis, Sandhu, Pomersbach, Handscomb, Henriques, Cutting, Maddinson, Blizzard, Tye.

In the development of Stoinis and Handscomb etc getting the opportunity to play in IPL and others was a huge push in their development.

Wouldn't Indian players who have potential for the national team but just not there in development benefit from getting gigs abroad?

Obv marquee players like Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah etc who are regulars arent the ones im advocating

this is where BCCI models of development is different. Of course they want to protect their brand but also
they want those second tier players to improve their game in Ranji, domestic and county cricket.
Not play every T20 tournament under the sun.. Domestic players and these second tier players salary is still decent. Ranji player of a small team like Sikkim can earn almost 15-25 lacs a year annually and hone is skills.

 

[chazam]

this is where BCCI models of development is different. Of course they want to protect their brand but also
they want those second tier players to improve their game in Ranji, domestic and county cricket.
Not play every T20 tournament under the sun.. Domestic players and these second tier players salary is still decent. Ranji player of a small team like Sikkim can earn almost 15-25 lacs a year annually and hone is skills.

also U-19 players are kept away from T-20 as much as possible.

 

[sweep_shot]

I think BCCI should allow players to play in foreign leagues. It is kind of unfair that other players play in IPL but Indian players don't play in other leagues.

 

[Pakhs]

Well the ones who are not contracted by BCCI - Should the players challenge the BCCI stance on not providing NOCs to court they will get the NOCs.

 

[Mesozoic]

I think BCCI should allow players to play in foreign leagues. It is kind of unfair that other players play in IPL but Indian players don't play in other leagues.

How is it unfair ? Boards are well within their rights to not allow their players for the IPL as well. It's not like BCCI are forcing other boards to send players.

 

[BoomBoomCricket]

If this happens, we could we see Indian players in PSL?

Yuvraj plays T10 and GT20, but no PSL so no.

 

[CanadianG00se]

Well the ones who are not contracted by BCCI - Should the players challenge the BCCI stance on not providing NOCs to court they will get the NOCs.

Non central contract players are still employed by their domestic teams that are members of BCCI. In short, only way a player can take part in such leagues is by retiring from all forms of cricket (domestic, IPL, Indian intl). This could also have bad blood with BCCI post retirement( pensions, future coaching jobs etc)

BCCI have ensured they have covered all their bases in legal matters, or else we would’ve seen such court cases already.

 

[CanadianG00se]

it's not that its just retiring from Indian national team

BCCI wants you to retire from every form of Indian cricket period. Ranji, IPL, state leagues. you name it

Thats a big trade. Raina, Bhajji etc are still getting IPL contracts which is why they will not take this wager obv.

Also I think second tier Indian players are missing out a lot on this.

Over the years, several dozen random Aussie domestic performers have played IPL and other leagues before their international debuts. (Marsh, Stoinis and many many others.) Same with players in other countries such as Saffers and England. Playing in these leagues and esp IPL allowed them to get to the next level on a fast track basis and gave their career a huge push.

I think many second tier Indian players are really being deprived of this opportunity. They're not at the level yet to become regulars in the Indian national team but could snag these deals and really elevate their game. BBL ,CPL etc would sign them up. At the very least they could get financial security and bring tat experience back to Indian cricket. But they are being shorn of that opportunity.

All those players you mentioned have quickly disappeared too. Only player that comes to my mind is Shane Watson. Some IPL teams do carry out grooming/finding talent locally for instance Pandya brothers, Bumrah etc.

BCCI is doing the right thing by ensuring players give importance to domestic cricket and not wander around playing T20 leagues. Not every league have the resources to groom young players.
Regarding financial security then i can assure you, domestic Indian players are handsomely rewarded. Now-a-days players can make good sum just playing domestic cricket. And there is IPL, which is highly rewarding.


They are not being shorn of the opportunity, they are being protected from mishaps.

 

[Pakhs]

Non central contract players are still employed by their domestic teams that are members of BCCI. In short, only way a player can take part in such leagues is by retiring from all forms of cricket (domestic, IPL, Indian intl). This could also have bad blood with BCCI post retirement( pensions, future coaching jobs etc)

BCCI have ensured they have covered all their bases in legal matters, or else we would’ve seen such court cases already.

They would have covered them selves but such a contract will not hold in court where if a player has not got a central contract and only playing domestic a player will be able to argue in court but I take your point about bad blood with BCCI which is a bigger point.

 

[Hasan123]

I think BCCI should allow non contracted players to play in other T20 leagues. They should be allowed to earn money if India aren't going to use them in international cricket.

 

[CanadianG00se]

They would have covered them selves but such a contract will not hold in court where if a player has not got a central contract and only playing domestic a player will be able to argue in court but I take your point about bad blood with BCCI which is a bigger point.

It doesn’t work that way, just because a player X doesn’t have central contract doesn’t mean he can violate the BCCI rules. BCCI financially supports the state teams which in turn pays the domestic players, thus players are obliged to follow the rules.
Those contracts are very similar to ones some of firms use for their employees which states exclusivity even after quitting a job for certain duration. Contracts if signed with mutual agreement will always be upheld in court of law. Like I said, if those contracts had no value, then I’m sure we would’ve seen one or two players(ones close to retirement or already retired like Pathan) would have filed a case.

BCCI is professionally run organization which keeps everything in check to avoid any legal law suits. Lastly, BCCI is doing excellent job even for former players, so not sure why would someone want to risk it.