Taliban spokesman says ‘no proof’ bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 attacks

[KingKhanWC]

He is literally giving orders to bring building 7 down.

There is an interesting comment under the video and only those would understand who have lived in the US long enough to know how do the firefighters work here.

WT7 contained thousands of investigative documents of Wall Street.

Also this....

 

[Technics 1210]

The two planes that struck the twin towers were Boeing 767s.

Even experienced pilots questioned the remarkable accuracy in which the planes hit the tower especially when the alleged pilots had never flown a commercial airliner in their life!

 

[Technics 1210]

WT7 contained thousands of investigative documents of Wall Street.

Also this....

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All media outlets were reading off the same script. BBC were too eager.

There's a video of this too.

 

[IMMY69]

The two planes that struck the twin towers were Boeing 767s.

Even experienced pilots questioned the remarkable accuracy in which the planes hit the tower especially when the alleged pilots had never flown a commercial airliner in their life!

Forget everything else I just can't get my head around this...

 

[Major]

You've not addressed anything here. Again read this or read ...I have read more than you could ever read on this subject. If you want to debate , address the points.

1. OBL most authentic, first response was denial. All media accepted this was genuine when it came out less than a week after 911.

2. Waterboarding is torture. People will claim to be Micky mouse if waterboarded over 100 times, its horrific. Also use logic, why would the mastermind not admit the glory but only after being tortured for hours.

3. Most of OBL's associates including the Taliban deny his involvement.

Ill give you some more now.

4. It is claimed OBL killed a couple of days before 911. OBL and Masood both fought against occupiers, its stupid of him to kill a man who would done the same to the Yanks. The claim is he was opposed to the Taliban but the Taliban would have also joined anyone resisting occupation. Killing Masood was so the Northern Alliance would join with the invaders.

5 This is my favourite.

Donald showed this to the world. Please show one single piece of evidence this existed.

You believe this lol.

1. 2004 videos says otherwise. He admits in that video that his group was involved and it was released by Al Jazeera. And in 2006 another video came out in which he was seated with the hijackers. He had mentioned John Kerrys name in the video which showed that he was also allive by 2004.

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, the spokes person of AL qaeda at the time also confessed that Al Qaeda was behind it.

2.Khalid Sheikh also leaked the name of the courier which lead to bin laden at the end.

3. Ayman Al zawhiri has again and again said that Al Qaeda carreid out attacks. He used to released statement every month. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm
heres a statement where he is again claiming al qaeda did it and bashing Iran.

4. I dont understand what you wrote. Are you claiming that Bin Laden died before 9/11?

Do you believe that Al Qaeda were behind the 1998 attacks?

 

[KingKhanWC]

The two planes that struck the twin towers were Boeing 767s.

Even experienced pilots questioned the remarkable accuracy in which the planes hit the tower especially when the alleged pilots had never flown a commercial airliner in their life!

Videos and photos of these planes are inconclusive. Its hard to confirm they were passenger planes.

Experienced pilots were amazed seeing this. These newbies who learnt to fly in Miami after nights out to stripbars getting drunk must have been born with talent to fly big passenger planes.

The so called plane which hit the Pentagon but couldnt be seen on any of the 80 cameras is also a mystery.

 

[KingKhanWC]

1. 2004 videos says otherwise. He admits in that video that his group was involved and it was released by Al Jazeera. And in 2006 another video came out in which he was seated with the hijackers. He had mentioned John Kerrys name in the video which showed that he was also allive by 2004.

Sulaiman Abu Ghaith, the spokes person of AL qaeda at the time also confessed that Al Qaeda was behind it.

2.Khalid Sheikh also leaked the name of the courier which lead to bin laden at the end.

3. Ayman Al zawhiri has again and again said that Al Qaeda carreid out attacks. He used to released statement every month. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7361414.stm
heres a statement where he is again claiming al qaeda did it and bashing Iran.

4. I dont understand what you wrote. Are you claiming that Bin Laden died before 9/11?

Do you believe that Al Qaeda were behind the 1998 attacks?

1. Of course they continued to make fake videos years later. The most authentic was his first statement days after.

2. Torture and false statements attributed to him.

3. Again fake.

4. Read again, its claimed OBL killed Massood 2 days before 911.

Your arguments are 'I beleive what the US Says' lol.

1998 is off topic on this thread.

 

[IMMY69]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, I would highly recommend they watch the film The Mauritanian

 

[Major]

1. Of course they continued to make fake videos years later. The most authentic was his first statement days after.

2. Torture and false statements attributed to him.

3. Again fake.

4. Read again, its claimed OBL killed Massood 2 days before 911.

Your arguments are 'I beleive what the US Says' lol.

1998 is off topic on this thread.

how is it off topic, why cant you answer a simple question.

Was al qaeda behind 1998 attacks or not?

so any video that came out by al qaeda in which they accept they did it is fake and the ones which they deny is orignal. nice.

Was al qaeda behind 1998 attacks or not? That is very well linked with this case.

 

[KingKhanWC]

how is it off topic, why cant you answer a simple question.

Was al qaeda behind 1998 attacks or not?

so any video that came out by al qaeda in which they accept they did it is fake and the ones which they deny is orignal. nice.

Was al qaeda behind 1998 attacks or not? That is very well linked with this case.

The topic is OBL and 911.

 

[Major]

The topic is OBL and 911.

And again you trying to ignore it because it exposes you.

If you deny 1998 attacks than thats mean for you it doesnt matter that al qaeda claimed that attack and omar bin laden had mentioned in his book about how his father and zawhiri celebrated the attacks and called it a success.

If you admit it bin laden did do it, than it justified USA asking taliban to handover a fugitive which they dis not and resulted to a war.

 

[KingKhanWC]

And again you trying to ignore it because it exposes you.

If you deny 1998 attacks than thats mean for you it doesnt matter that al qaeda claimed that attack and omar bin laden had mentioned in his book about how his father and zawhiri celebrated the attacks and called it a success.

If you admit it bin laden did do it, than it justified USA asking taliban to handover a fugitive which they dis not and resulted to a war.

lol exposes me? You have been exposed so are trying to divert. The issue & topic here is OBL and 911. Whether or not he was involved in something before makes no difference to the claim he was behind 911. When you find it in you to address the points I have already made, I may entertain your diversion.

 

[ahmedzee]

You are right.

Anyone who believes in official 9/11 story clearly hasn't done enough research.

Our friend [MENTION=135038]Major[/MENTION] believes in the original story.

 

[topspin]

Question for those who don't OBL was involved in 9/11.

Do you believe he was Shaheed? - like our PM says.

 

[ahmedzee]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, I would highly recommend they watch the film The Mauritanian

Brilliant movie. US wanted to make a case and bring more inmates to Guantanamo, and any kind of lies or fabricated evidence worked. That's exactly what happened to the Mauritanian, and exactly what US did on 9/11 to manipulate the masses by destroying the twin towers and pentagon.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

For anyone who hasn't seen it, I would highly recommend they watch the film The Mauritanian

Some humans (Americans) are capable of such an evil as Guantanamo and then you have other humans (Mohamedou Ould Salahi) who are capable of bearing all the torture and humiliation yet they forgive and keep on smiling...

 

[IMMY69]

Some humans (Americans) are capable of such an evil as Guantanamo and then you have other humans (Mohamedou Ould Salahi) who are capable of bearing all the torture and humiliation yet they forgive and keep on smiling...

Yes absolutely amazing.
The man lost his beloved mother whilst he was detained, lost so many of his years and yet won hearts with his kindness.

I'll be amazed if anyone who watched this film wasn't touched by this man's character and angered by the treatment he and other innocents received at the hands of his captors.

 

[IMMY69]

Brilliant movie. US wanted to make a case and bring more inmates to Guantanamo, and any kind of lies or fabricated evidence worked. That's exactly what happened to the Mauritanian, and exactly what US did on 9/11 to manipulate the masses by destroying the twin towers and pentagon.

Truly superb movie and so eye opening.

 

[Technics 1210]

Forget everything else I just can't get my head around this...

It's mind boggling. Experienced commercial airline pilots still require an approach surveillance radar and help from air traffic controllers just to line up an aircraft with a runway upon approach, but the 9/11 pilots didn't need any technical assistance or skill at all mid-air, first time controlling a commercial airliner, and wait for this, at high velocity managed to hit the towers with pin-point accuracy. Not to mention if one believes the Pentagon ('official' story) where the pilot was somehow flying above the road also at high velocity to the extent the aircraft was pulverised.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Question for those who don't OBL was involved in 9/11.

Do you believe he was Shaheed? - like our PM says.

Depends. Anyone who is murdered & who fought occupation would be considered a marytr by most. However we dont know of his sinns, therefore I would never describe anyone in such a way, my personal opinion. If he planned 911 then of course not, he will be in hell. Perhaps IK knows this man wasnt behind 911.

 

[Technics 1210]

Truly superb movie and so eye opening.

Going to watch now.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It's mind boggling. Experienced commercial airline pilots still require an approach surveillance radar and help from air traffic controllers just to line up an aircraft with a runway upon approach, but the 9/11 pilots didn't need any technical assistance or skill at all mid-air, first time controlling a commercial airliner, and wait for this, at high velocity managed to hit the towers with pin-point accuracy. Not to mention if one believes the Pentagon ('official' story) where the pilot was somehow flying above the road also at high velocity to the extent the aircraft was pulverised.

Dick Dastardly of Wacky races would be proud of such manouvers.

But even Dick wouldnt be able make his plane invisible while flying into the most protected building in human history, the pentagon.

 

[IMMY69]

It's mind boggling. Experienced commercial airline pilots still require an approach surveillance radar and help from air traffic controllers just to line up an aircraft with a runway upon approach, but the 9/11 pilots didn't need any technical assistance or skill at all mid-air, first time controlling a commercial airliner, and wait for this, at high velocity managed to hit the towers with pin-point accuracy. Not to mention if one believes the Pentagon ('official' story) where the pilot was somehow flying above the road also at high velocity to the extent the aircraft was pulverised.

Then you add the mental pressure of having just high jacked the plane and knowing that very soon you will be dead... with all this and the technical aspect of flying the plane it just seems implausible.
Of course all this is X2 as there were two planes, two sets of high jacks and two novice pilots

 

[IMMY69]

Going to watch now.

Do it.
An absolutely amazing film, stellar cast and extremely emotive

 

[Technics 1210]

Dick Dastardly of Wacky races would be proud of such manouvers.

But even Dick wouldnt be able make his plane invisible while flying into the most protected building in human history, the pentagon.

Reminds me of the Magic Bullet theory in the official report on JFK's assassination (later debunked by ballistic experts in the decades that followed as files were declassified).

Try not to laugh - excerpt:

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The theory says that a three-centimeter-long (1.2") copper-jacketed lead-core bullet from a 6.5×52mm Mannlicher–Carcano rifle fired from the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository, passed through President Kennedy's neck into Governor Connally's chest, went through his wrist, and embedded itself in Connally's thigh. If so, this bullet traversed 15 layers of clothing, seven layers of skin, and approximately 15 inches of muscle tissue; it also struck a necktie knot, removed 4 inches of rib, and shattered a radius bone. The bullet was found on a gurney in the corridor at Parkland Memorial Hospital after the assassination. The Warren Commission found that this gurney was the one that had carried Governor Connally.[5] This bullet became a key exhibit for the Commission. Its copper jacket was completely intact. While the bullet's nose appeared normal, the tail was compressed laterally on one side.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-bullet_theory

Seem like a common trait, magical maneuvers in official reports by the American government.

 

[Technics 1210]

Then you add the mental pressure of having just high jacked the plane and knowing that very soon you will be dead... with all this and the technical aspect of flying the plane it just seems implausible.
Of course all this is X2 as there were two planes, two sets of high jacks and two novice pilots

Yup managed to overcome the pilots and passengers with box cutters too!

 

[topspin]

Depends. Anyone who is murdered & who fought occupation would be considered a marytr by most. However we dont know of his sinns, therefore I would never describe anyone in such a way, my personal opinion. If he planned 911 then of course not, he will be in hell. Perhaps IK knows this man wasnt behind 911.

Reasonable response.

I appreciate you’re being objective about this.

Let’s say he has nothing do with 9/11, there is still no doubt he is a terrorist. He has history of terrorism.

He’s no shaheed.

 

[Yossarian]

Without getting into conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 being an inside job, and accepting that (nearly) everything reported by the US authorities is accurate, nevertheless, there are still a lot of question marks around some of the 'facts' as claimed. There may be perfectly valid and reasonable explanations, but one also cannot completely discount numerous respected experts in the relevant technical, civil engineering and scientific fields who have questioned and challenged some of the official explanations.

For what it's worth, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but at the same time I believe that the US govt. is also hiding information that would have massive ramifications if it became public.

 

[Napa]

One actually did.
The clips have now been removed but I guess we can still find it somewhere.
The firefighter chief gave an interview right after the attacks and said, "we were called from (Pennsylvania I think), LAST NIGHT, and were asked to get ready for action TOMORROW (the day of 9/11)

If 9/11 was really an inside job, why would they be calling fire chiefs the night before to enable the conspiracy to become known? People who would bomb skyscrapers killing thousands of people would hardly care if the fire engines arrived half an hour late.

 

[Robert]

Brilliant movie. US wanted to make a case and bring more inmates to Guantanamo, and any kind of lies or fabricated evidence worked. That's exactly what happened to the Mauritanian, and exactly what US did on 9/11 to manipulate the masses by destroying the twin towers and pentagon.

Except that the detention centre was built after 9/11.

 

[Robert]

Videos and photos of these planes are inconclusive. Its hard to confirm they were passenger planes.

Experienced pilots were amazed seeing this. These newbies who learnt to fly in Miami after nights out to stripbars getting drunk must have been born with talent to fly big passenger planes.

The so called plane which hit the Pentagon but couldnt be seen on any of the 80 cameras is also a mystery.

It was seen on the cameras, but the video footage was immediately collected for analysis by the FBI.

You know, I blame the X-Files for this conspiracy nonsense. Prior to that show, conspiracy was fringe loony thinking. The other thing about conspiracy thinking is that it makes people who think of themselves as cool outsiders feel smart and above the herd, which they even call sheep, when the issue is that they lack interpersonal skills and girls don’t want to date them.

 

[Third_Umpire]

^^ conspiracy theories are staple diet for the disenfranchised. It’s what helps them get through, believing that their life is miserable because others are out to get them.

 

[Robert]

If 9/11 was really an inside job, why would they be calling fire chiefs the night before to enable the conspiracy to become known? People who would bomb skyscrapers killing thousands of people would hardly care if the fire engines arrived half an hour late.

Of course. This is where conspiracy thinking falls apart.

I am told that WTC7 was demolished to get rid of certain government records. Anyone would think cross-cut shredders had never been invented. Or, you know, take the lift to the furnace in the basement. But no, let’s blow up a 27-storey block, that will be the simpler task .

 

[IMMY69]

Of course. This is where conspiracy thinking falls apart.

I am told that WTC7 was demolished to get rid of certain government records. Anyone would think cross-cut shredders had never been invented. Or, you know, take the lift to the furnace in the basement. But no, let’s blow up a 27-storey block, that will be the simpler task .

Robert, what about Iraq and the WOMD dossier and the disposal OBL's body into the sea.

Regarding OBL, I recall everyone around that time speculating that he probably died in a cave on a mountain in Afghanistan or of Kidney Falure st least a couple of years if not more prior to him being found in Pakistan.

Then the fact that he was actually found alive in Pakistan, near a Military base doesn't sound right either.
When 9/11 had happened Pakistan was already an ally of the US, then they were threatened to be blown to pieces if they were not with the US in its war against Terror.
US generals visited Islamabad and even Bush Snr turned up for a tour.

Arriving at a Pakistan Airport was like entering the US. Passport control was suddenly upgraded and we were told that as the passport was scanned the information would instantaneously go to the CIA offices.

Pakistan were literally owned by the US, they were a nuclear nation and had accepted billions of dollars from them. They allowed their bases to be used by the Americans and American drones killed thousands of Pakistani's...

With all this are we really to believe that OBL was hiding out in Abbotabad???

 

[Technics 1210]

The believers of the official story have no answer to the incredible skills of the pilots. Kind of obvious why.

On a side note people shouldn't confuse inside-job with false-flag - huge difference!

 

[Technics 1210]

Of course. This is where conspiracy thinking falls apart.

I am told that WTC7 was demolished to get rid of certain government records. Anyone would think cross-cut shredders had never been invented. Or, you know, take the lift to the furnace in the basement. But no, let’s blow up a 27-storey block, that will be the simpler task .

Even with cross shredders you can piece the small shreds together. This is a fact. And no, WTC7 wasn't blown up, it was demolished. Also don't forget the insurance.

 

[ahmedzee]

Of course. This is where conspiracy thinking falls apart.

I am told that WTC7 was demolished to get rid of certain government records. Anyone would think cross-cut shredders had never been invented. Or, you know, take the lift to the furnace in the basement. But no, let’s blow up a 27-storey block, that will be the simpler task .

Simple thing: science doesn’t support the official theory of twin towers coming down and World Trade Center 7 coming down.

Hence why I maintain my stance on this for the 20th year, show me the evidence that it was the fuel from
Plane bringing those 2 buildings down.

 

[silentkiller187]

i am no conspiracy theorist but even i cannot get my head around the official story. main standouts :

- level of skill shown by pilots was near impossible to pull off on the training the "terorrists" received, their flight school pilot said he only kept them on cos they had money but none of them could fly to a satisfactory level let alone pull of loop the loops in the middle of the air.

- the falling off WTC7 was reported on various news channels atleast 20 mins before it fell, it wasnt hit by any plans so how did news stations have this insight

- why did it take atleast 90 mins for military to respond, were they giving enough time for the plan to work before reacting?

- donald rumsfield announcing trillions of dollars missing from the government coffers on sept 10, next day miraculously the finance dept in pentagon is wiped out by a plane and we never hear of the losses again?

call me deluded crazy whatever but if this was a plot of a hollywood movie i would question it let alone real life.

 

[Robert]

Even with cross shredders you can piece the small shreds together. This is a fact. And no, WTC7 wasn't blown up, it was demolished. Also don't forget the insurance.

And then the cross cut papers go in the incinerator. It’s easy, plenty of firms offer this service so I am sure CIA and DoD can do it.

 

[Technics 1210]

And then the cross cut papers go in the incinerator. It’s easy, plenty of firms offer this service so I am sure CIA and DoD can do it.

Yet news channels caught live on camera reporting WTC7 had collapsed when it didn't. Why?

What does Occam's Razor say about the skills of the pilots and their ability to overcome 4 commercial airliners with box cutters?

 

[Robert]

i am no conspiracy theorist but even i cannot get my head around the official story. main standouts :

- level of skill shown by pilots was near impossible to pull off on the training the "terorrists" received, their flight school pilot said he only kept them on cos they had money but none of them could fly to a satisfactory level let alone pull of loop the loops in the middle of the air.

- the falling off WTC7 was reported on various news channels atleast 20 mins before it fell, it wasnt hit by any plans so how did news stations have this insight

- why did it take atleast 90 mins for military to respond, were they giving enough time for the plan to work before reacting?

- donald rumsfield announcing trillions of dollars missing from the government coffers on sept 10, next day miraculously the finance dept in pentagon is wiped out by a plane and we never hear of the losses again?

call me deluded crazy whatever but if this was a plot of a hollywood movie i would question it let alone real life.

Ok.

If you can fly a flight simulator you can turn an airliner. If you can steer an airliner you can steer it towards NYC which is gigantic. If you can find NYC you can steer toward two buildings that dwarf everything in that city. Just gentle turns would do it. No loops needed.

Messages garbled. The firefighters knew WTC7 was about to collapse from the way it was leaning and bulging. In the chaos of the day, “It is about to collapse” got misquoted as “It has collapsed”.

Because SAC is designed to protect USA from encroaching Russian bombers from outside, not terror attacks from within. It took them time to understand what was happening. The first hit looked accidental. Only by the second hit did ATC begin to piece together what was going on and then they had to tell SAC who then had to mount a response. They got fighters scrambled but it was too late to intercept the hijacked jets.

Hmmm unlikely. There are distributed databases. The whole point is that one attack on one building will not degrade intel capability much. And one hole in one floor of a building with ten stories above ground and fifteen below which is nuke-hardened, is not going to do much damage to said building anyway. The attack was mostly symbolic.

 

[silentkiller187]

Ok.

If you can fly a flight simulator you can turn an airliner. If you can steer an airliner you can steer it towards NYC which is gigantic. If you can find NYC you can steer toward two buildings that dwarf everything in that city. Just gentle turns would do it. No loops needed.

Messages garbled. The firefighters knew WTC7 was about to collapse from the way it was leaning and bulging. In the chaos of the day, “It is about to collapse” got misquoted as “It has collapsed”.

Because SAC is designed to protect USA from encroaching Russian bombers from outside, not terror attacks from within. It took them time to understand what was happening. The first hit looked accidental. Only by the second hit did ATC begin to piece together what was going on and then they had to tell SAC who then had to mount a response. They got fighters scrambled but it was too late to intercept the hijacked jets.

Hmmm unlikely. There are distributed databases. The whole point is that one attack on one building will not degrade intel capability much. And one hole in one floor of a building with ten stories above ground and fifteen below which is nuke-hardened, is not going to do much damage to said building anyway. The attack was mostly symbolic.

The angle that the planes turned almost perfect 45 degrees at some points in a commercial 737 or whatever after the terrorist's trained in a single propeller jet, you would have to have been a once in a lifetime star pupils to be able to pull that off with such ease, twice.

and symbolic or not its on official records that a lot or treasury information was wiped out during the pentagon bomb plane whatever you want to call it., which meant the losses couldn't have been investigated, coincidence?

 

[Robert]

The angle that the planes turned almost perfect 45 degrees at some points in a commercial 737 or whatever after the terrorist's trained in a single propeller jet, you would have to have been a once in a lifetime star pupils to be able to pull that off with such ease, twice.

and symbolic or not its on official records that a lot or treasury information was wiped out during the pentagon bomb plane whatever you want to call it., which meant the losses couldn't have been investigated, coincidence?

What you describe to me seems extremely easy, you just turn the yoke until the plane lines up with the compass bearing of where you want to fly. Probably easier in a 767 than a light aircraft.

Second point, I just don’t believe. Why would Rummy cover up something he just announced? Doesn’t make sense. Or if Rummy has incriminated someone, the someone just takes the paper records to the furnace in the basement. And wipe the hard drives. Not blow a hole in a building and kill a load of friends and co-workers.

I think people interpret the world in the terms of exciting spy thrillers where there is a mystery to solve and some shadowy figure like Cancer Man or Blofeld pulling strings. Whereas in reality, most things are really boring and straightforward.

 

[Technics 1210]

What you describe to me seems extremely easy, you just turn the yoke until the plane lines up with the compass bearing of where you want to fly. Probably easier in a 767 than a light aircraft.

Second point, I just don’t believe. Why would Rummy cover up something he just announced? Doesn’t make sense. Or if Rummy has incriminated someone, the someone just takes the paper records to the furnace in the basement. And wipe the hard drives. Not blow a hole in a building and kill a load of friends and co-workers.

I think people interpret the world in the terms of exciting spy thrillers where there is a mystery to solve and some shadowy figure like Cancer Man or Blofeld pulling strings. Whereas in reality, most things are really boring and straightforward.

With all due respect, try a flight simulator, pull the same moves, then ask a commercial airline pilot how 'easy' it is just to turn the yoke to line up. As mentioned above, experienced pilots still require multiple radars just to line up to a runway. Not forgetting simulation lack physical force exertion.

What you are saying is akin to a driver with a provisional license with L-plates, sitting in a F1 car, and winning the race after playing a few laps of Gran Turismo.

Even the greatest pilots of them all - Neil Armstrong - took decades to master the controls of flight.

 

[Technics 1210]

When NEOCONs were first mentioned in 2000, it was hailed a conspiracy, but later turned out to be true.

When the US/UK were preparing for Iraq war it was hailed a conspiracy, later turned out to be true.

When it was mentioned OBL was working with the CIA it was hailed a conspiracy, later turned out to be true.

The list is endless.

When it sounds to good to be true, it probably is.

 

[Major]

Robert, what about Iraq and the WOMD dossier and the disposal OBL's body into the sea.

Regarding OBL, I recall everyone around that time speculating that he probably died in a cave on a mountain in Afghanistan or of Kidney Falure st least a couple of years if not more prior to him being found in Pakistan.

Then the fact that he was actually found alive in Pakistan, near a Military base doesn't sound right either.
When 9/11 had happened Pakistan was already an ally of the US, then they were threatened to be blown to pieces if they were not with the US in its war against Terror.
US generals visited Islamabad and even Bush Snr turned up for a tour.

Arriving at a Pakistan Airport was like entering the US. Passport control was suddenly upgraded and we were told that as the passport was scanned the information would instantaneously go to the CIA offices.

Pakistan were literally owned by the US, they were a nuclear nation and had accepted billions of dollars from them. They allowed their bases to be used by the Americans and American drones killed thousands of Pakistani's...

With all this are we really to believe that OBL was hiding out in Abbotabad???

you can read post 42 regarding bin laden being found in pakistan

 

[Robert]

With all due respect, try a flight simulator, pull the same moves, then ask a commercial airline pilot how 'easy' it is just to turn the yoke to line up. As mentioned above, experienced pilots still require multiple radars just to line up to a runway. Not forgetting simulation lack physical force exertion.

What you are saying is akin to a driver with a provisional license with L-plates, sitting in a F1 car, and winning the race after playing a few laps of Gran Turismo.

Even the greatest pilots of them all - Neil Armstrong - took decades to master the controls of flight.

No, I am saying that someone who can steer a car can steer an artic. You could, I could. We couldn’t park it, but we could certainly drive it at a large building and crash it.

 

[Technics 1210]

No, I am saying that someone who can steer a car can steer an artic. You could, I could. We couldn’t park it, but we could certainly drive it at a large building and crash it.

Steering a car isn't the same as flying a plane. You can't stop/park a plane in mid-air. I don't need a radar to line up my car on the road.

My anology using a F1 car was to demonstrate the difference in skill and experience levels between learner and professional. I played a lot of Brian Lara's cricket on the PS, hit O for a 6, hit X for a 4, doesn't qualify me as a Test batsman.

You also have to remember the alledged pilots were successful in their FIRST attempt - all 3 of them/targets - without ever piloting a commercial airliner.

 

[IMMY69]

Not to mention the speed at which a plane is flying at...

 

[Technics 1210]

Do it.
An absolutely amazing film, stellar cast and extremely emotive

Watched it last night. Easily the best movie of 2021 for me, and contender for movie of decade thus far.

Thanks for recommendation.

 

[Robert]

Steering a car isn't the same as flying a plane. You can't stop/park a plane in mid-air. I don't need a radar to line up my car on the road.

My anology using a F1 car was to demonstrate the difference in skill and experience levels between learner and professional. I played a lot of Brian Lara's cricket on the PS, hit O for a 6, hit X for a 4, doesn't qualify me as a Test batsman.

You also have to remember the alledged pilots were successful in their FIRST attempt - all 3 of them/targets - without ever piloting a commercial airliner.

Ok so who do you think these expert suicide pilots really were?

 

[Technics 1210]

Not to mention the speed at which a plane is flying at...

Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (WTC 1)

Flight 175 crashes at about 590 mph (WTC 2)

Flight 77 crashes into the western side of the Pentagon at 530 mph

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_for_the_day_of_the_September_11_attacks

Just look at those speeds.

 

[Technics 1210]

Ok so who do you think these expert suicide pilots really were?

False flags.

 

[Major]

Didnt know we had posters here who were experts in aviation

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It was seen on the cameras, but the video footage was immediately collected for analysis by the FBI.

You know, I blame the X-Files for this conspiracy nonsense. Prior to that show, conspiracy was fringe loony thinking. The other thing about conspiracy thinking is that it makes people who think of themselves as cool outsiders feel smart and above the herd, which they even call sheep, when the issue is that they lack interpersonal skills and girls don’t want to date them.

Does that apply to people who think the Russians and the Chinese are out to get us?

 

[Robert]

False flags.

Ok, how were these men persuaded to kill themselves?

 

[Technics 1210]

Ok, how were these men persuaded to kill themselves?

That's an assumption. We do not know who was responsible. You can accept the official report devoid of any credible evidence, while others prefer more evidence, such as cockpit recordings.

Logically and practically it is impossible for a rookie to fly a commercial airliner for the first time ever with skills that would put experienced commercial pilots to shame.

Why don't the authorities release the cockpit recordings? Why don't the authorities release the videos capturing the crash at the Pentagon? How was it possible for authorities to release the list of suspects hours after the crashes? Were the suspects under surveillance? Or was it just easy to concuct arabic sounding names? Don't forget about the 6 dancing Isrealis captured on video when the planes hit the towers. Who were they?

These are the questions you should also be asking if you want to seek the truth, instead of putting faith in a government that has a track record of proven lies and false flags.

 

[silentkiller187]

That's an assumption. We do not know who was responsible. You can accept the official report devoid of any credible evidence, while others prefer more evidence, such as cockpit recordings.

Logically and practically it is impossible for a rookie to fly a commercial airliner for the first time ever with skills that would put experienced commercial pilots to shame.

Why don't the authorities release the cockpit recordings? Why don't the authorities release the videos capturing the crash at the Pentagon? How was it possible for authorities to release the list of suspects hours after the crashes? Were the suspects under surveillance? Or was it just easy to concuct arabic sounding names? Don't forget about the 6 dancing Isrealis captured on video when the planes hit the towers. Who were they?

These are the questions you should also be asking if you want to seek the truth, instead of putting faith in a government that has a track record of proven lies and false flags.

for me this is the biggest red flag, a rookie flying a commercial plane with such precision changing course at 45 angle degrees perfectly and then flying it into a building , a pilot with 20+ years of flying commercial jets would struggle with this maneuver, that too without the help of air traffic control .

Yet we are to believe a islamic terrorists who had a fondness for women and alcohol and were about to get kicked out of flight class cos they had no hope instinctively managed this whilst high jacking a whole plane armed with box cutters. in my opinion this is the real conspiracy.

 

[Robert]

That's an assumption. We do not know who was responsible. You can accept the official report devoid of any credible evidence, while others prefer more evidence, such as cockpit recordings.

Logically and practically it is impossible for a rookie to fly a commercial airliner for the first time ever with skills that would put experienced commercial pilots to shame.

Why don't the authorities release the cockpit recordings? Why don't the authorities release the videos capturing the crash at the Pentagon? How was it possible for authorities to release the list of suspects hours after the crashes? Were the suspects under surveillance? Or was it just easy to concuct arabic sounding names? Don't forget about the 6 dancing Isrealis captured on video when the planes hit the towers. Who were they?

These are the questions you should also be asking if you want to seek the truth, instead of putting faith in a government that has a track record of proven lies and false flags.

I’m asking you about the these trained suicide pilots you allude to.

Come on, develop your hypothesis. You posit that these suicide pilots are backed by a Western government. How were they recruited, persuaded to kill themselves and thousands of their own countrymen?

 

[Technics 1210]

I’m asking you about the these trained suicide pilots you allude to.

Come on, develop your hypothesis. You posit that these suicide pilots are backed by a Western government. How were they recruited, persuaded to kill themselves and thousands of their own countrymen?

There's no credible evidence the pilots were trained suicide pilots. This is your belief. Cite the evidence supporting your belief.

I posit the pilots are not who they are claimed to be due to lack of evidence and not forgetting their god like pilot skills. Releasing a list of names isn't hard evidence.

On one hand you will not trust Russia given their track record, but will trust US government given their track record.

You're being subjective and have alluded my questions on authorities releasing the evidence.

 

[Technics 1210]

for me this is the biggest red flag, a rookie flying a commercial plane with such precision changing course at 45 angle degrees perfectly and then flying it into a building , a pilot with 20+ years of flying commercial jets would struggle with this maneuver, that too without the help of air traffic control .

Yet we are to believe a islamic terrorists who had a fondness for women and alcohol and were about to get kicked out of flight class cos they had no hope instinctively managed this whilst high jacking a whole plane armed with box cutters. in my opinion this is the real conspiracy.

Captain Chesley Sullenberger ditching his aircraft into the Hudson river is regarded as the most god-like pilot skills in commercial aviation history. Also the only ever landing on water that didn't break the commercial airliner into pieces with the aircraft fully intact. No fatalities. No engines, loss of speed, falling altitude. NTSB recreated the accident using simulations and every single one of the pilots failed the successful ditching because simulations do not account for human emotions and physical conditions. Hence his ditching remains the 'miracle' on Hudson. In ALL of aviation history.

Yet here we are let to believe not 1, but 3 rookies managed to pull maneuvers with such precision, no skill, zero experience of commercial flying, and succeeded on 3 occasions on the same day - all off the back of MS flight simulator and a joystick.

 

[topspin]

[MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] You are in my mind the most rational poster on the forum. Intrigued to know your views.

 

[Robert]

There's no credible evidence the pilots were trained suicide pilots. This is your belief. Cite the evidence supporting your belief.

I posit the pilots are not who they are claimed to be due to lack of evidence and not forgetting their god like pilot skills. Releasing a list of names isn't hard evidence.

On one hand you will not trust Russia given their track record, but will trust US government given their track record.

You're being subjective and have alluded my questions on authorities releasing the evidence.

Well, they certainly committed suicide. I want to see you develop this false flag idea. Who were the pilots really?

 

[Robert]

for me this is the biggest red flag, a rookie flying a commercial plane with such precision changing course at 45 angle degrees perfectly and then flying it into a building , a pilot with 20+ years of flying commercial jets would struggle with this maneuver, that too without the help of air traffic control .

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No he wouldn’t, he would crash it with even more precision. If he wanted to commit suicide and murder his passengers and thousands of people in the building.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well, they certainly committed suicide. I want to see you develop this false flag idea. Who were the pilots really?

It's a flase flag based on lack of evidence and OBL's denial from the onset - doesn't make sense for the world's most wanted terrorist to not claim he was responsible for the world's most shocking and effective terror attack too. 9/11 was such a convenient pretext to an illegal war in Iraq/Afghanistan also. It's a false flag because years later Saudi nationals were identified as being involved.

I would like you to present the evidence identifying the nationalities of the alledged pilots and any links with terror groups.

Also, inside-job is not the same as false-flag.

 

[Technics 1210]

Why don't the authorities release the full evidence and remove all doubt? Very wuick if Russia or China were involed - whats stopping them now?

 

[MRSN]

I'm not for conspiracy theories but I also can't explain how novice pilots flew 737's directly into the Twin Towers. Not one but two planes with 100pct pin point accuracy.

I can't explain why they would dispose of OBL's body into the sea.

Why they invaded Iraq and where were those weapons of mass destruction?

Why the American allowed OBL's family a safe passage out of America after 9/11

Why ISIS was hell bent on setting up a caliphate in Syria but couldn't careless about Israel, which surely would be their main enemy?

We also know that the US brags about paying $5000, the price of a car, to cause a resolution in Iran that toppled the Shah.

The list is long and I'd love for someone to give me some plausible answers...

The disposing of OBL's body without giving any proofs that they actually killed OBL was really fishy. I don't know why Americans needed to keep his face secret despite the whole operation recorded footages. That operation was definitely fishy. I believe there was no OBL and the whole thing was made up. I could be wrong but follow up actions by American forces were really strange.

 

[Technics 1210]

No he wouldn’t, he would crash it with even more precision. If he wanted to commit suicide and murder his passengers and thousands of people in the building.

You are missing the point. The alledged pilots had never flown a commercial airliner in their entire lives. I can understand a rookie crashing into a mountain, but 2 tall buildings, and one flight over the road at over 500mph - this isn't Top Gun.

 

[Varun]

How do you know it was actually OBL?

When Gaddafi and Saddam were captured, their faces/bodies were all over the news. OBL on the other hand was given an 'Islamic' burial at sea on orders of Obama.

Very fishy.

They couldn't show his face on TV. Because Obama was really Osama. It was all planned that way.

 

[Major]

The disposing of OBL's body without giving any proofs that they actually killed OBL was really fishy. I don't know why Americans needed to keep his face secret despite the whole operation recorded footages. That operation was definitely fishy. I believe there was no OBL and the whole thing was made up. I could be wrong but follow up actions by American forces were really strange.

have you ever gone through the docs retireve from the compound? Have you ever follow the memo gate story that happened afterwards? Have you ever wondered what price are hussain haqqani and shakeel afridi are paying?

 

[Technics 1210]

LOL. Docs ‘received’ from the ground, uploaded in a jiffy on FBI/CIA website.

Meanwhile the same authorities refuse to release videos of a plane crashing into the Pentagon, and cockpit recordings, all the while released the names of 9/11 suspects before lunch time on the day of 9/11 attacks - while the attacks were still taking place.

The millennial generation are so easily duped, must be ‘stupid’.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

LOL. Docs ‘received’ from the ground, uploaded in a jiffy on FBI/CIA website.

Meanwhile the same authorities refuse to release videos of a plane crashing into the Pentagon, and cockpit recordings, all the while released the names of 9/11 suspects before lunch time on the day of 9/11 attacks - while the attacks were still taking place.

The millennial generation are so easily duped, must be ‘stupid’.

Can't help much when they want to be the sheep being lead to the slaughter.

 

[KingKhanWC]

It was seen on the cameras, but the video footage was immediately collected for analysis by the FBI.

You know, I blame the X-Files for this conspiracy nonsense. Prior to that show, conspiracy was fringe loony thinking. The other thing about conspiracy thinking is that it makes people who think of themselves as cool outsiders feel smart and above the herd, which they even call sheep, when the issue is that they lack interpersonal skills and girls don’t want to date them.

US has released the footage they have, it looks more like a missile. Where is this footage you speak of? 80 high quality cameras on the worlds most secure building couldnt capture any images of a plane? Its hillarious people believe this. Also please spare me the weak conspiracy argument, this is used by those who dont have the ability to debate the points.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Reasonable response.

I appreciate you’re being objective about this.

Let’s say he has nothing do with 9/11, there is still no doubt he is a terrorist. He has history of terrorism.

He’s no shaheed.

There arent many good people. Forget OBL even if he was a terrorist, he was smally fry compared to others. CIA, Mossad, western armies make these groups look like children when it comes to killing of innocent people for political purposes.

It doesnt matter who or what he was in this thread, it matters if he was behind these criminal disgusting attacks, its clear he wasnt.

 

[Technics 1210]

We Are Not Your Problem

Millions saw the horrific images of the World Trade Center attacks, and those who saw them won't forget them. But a New Jersey homemaker saw something that morning that prompted an investigation into five young Israelis and their possible connection to Israeli intelligence.

When the men were transferred to jail, the case was transferred out of the FBI's Criminal Division, and into the bureau's Foreign Counterintelligence Section, which is responsible for espionage cases, ABCNEWS has learned.

https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885&page=1

SKY news was reporting this news, and had removed it from their news cycle.

 

[Technics 1210]

There arent many good people. Forget OBL even if he was a terrorist, he was smally fry compared to others. CIA, Mossad, western armies make these groups look like children when it comes to killing of innocent people for political purposes.

It doesnt matter who or what he was in this thread, it matters if he was behind these criminal disgusting attacks, its clear he wasnt.

OBL was freedom fighter turned terrorist.

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist turned freedom fighter (Statesman!)

Such is the power of Western media.

 

[Major]

LOL. Docs ‘received’ from the ground, uploaded in a jiffy on FBI/CIA website.

Meanwhile the same authorities refuse to release videos of a plane crashing into the Pentagon, and cockpit recordings, all the while released the names of 9/11 suspects before lunch time on the day of 9/11 attacks - while the attacks were still taking place.

The millennial generation are so easily duped, must be ‘stupid’.

again, the docs were not uploaded immediately. you go around calling others stupid and using the word millennials yet you have done no research and make posts a heresay.

Before bashing a whole generation, you need to do some research and actually read up on material rather than watch a 2 min youtube video or hollywood movie to base your post

 

[Major]

OBL was freedom fighter turned terrorist.

Nelson Mandela was a terrorist turned freedom fighter (Statesman!)

Such is the power of Western media.

ur hero took responsibility of killing africans in 1998. Even his son admit to it.

 

[Major]

Can't help much when they want to be the sheep being lead to the slaughter.

can't help when you selectively decide to be ignorant to the facts present.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

can't help when you selectively decide to be ignorant to the facts present.

Who calls the shots on "facts"?

Are you going to decide what is a "fact" and what is not?