Taliban spokesman says ‘no proof’ bin Laden was responsible for 9/11 attacks

[Technics 1210]

ur hero took responsibility of killing africans in 1998. Even his son admit to it.

Your hero waged an illegal war in ME killing 100000s.

Your point?

 

[Major]

Your hero waged an illegal war in ME killing 100000s.

Your point?

point being the guy who you think was a freedom fighter and implied by you that he has been made a terrorist by western media, he himself admitted to a crime that he committed and his son admits to seeing his father involved in those crimes.

 

[Technics 1210]

point being the guy who you think was a freedom fighter and implied by you that he has been made a terrorist by western media, he himself admitted to a crime that he committed and his son admits to seeing his father involved in those crimes.

You support Modi. Nuff said.

 

[KingKhanWC]

you post little about the event and make more post on personal remarks.

people who believe that 9/11 is a conspiracy tend to also deny bin laden being in Pakistan and him ever killing someone or taking responsibility of it.

Thus, if someone denies those things for which there is amples of proof and clear confessions by Al Qaeda, than it shows that person will also deny 9/11 and what not.

At the end of the day a commerical airline was used to attack the pentagon, dont know what could one hide? The passenger list of AA Flight 77 was fake?

Irrelevant.

Are you trolling on here?

Youve been given numerous points to debate but run away like Americans from Kabul to side track.

All your theories are not important when it's been proven WT7 did not fall at near free fall speed due to office fires , the official jackanory.

Do you think OBL was so good he was able to bring down WT7 in such a way?

As for who is a terrorist, again a weak argument. Zardari is arguably a bigger terrorist than OBL.

 

[Major]

Still no answer to the simplest of questions.

Who denied a commercial airliner struck the twin towers?

Your contribution in this thread is a joke. Flummoxed outside of OBL being found in Pakistan (your warped nonsense).

Is your smartphone charged?

again its based upon facts. The political events that took place after him being there and the statement from Al qaeda and the documents where its raw production got matched to a store in a city i live.

 

[Technics 1210]

Irrelevant.

Are you trolling on here?

Youve been given numerous points to debate but run away like Americans from Kabul to side track.

All your theories are not important when it's been proven WT7 did not fall at near free fall speed due to office fires , the official jackanory.

Do you think OBL was so good he was able to bring down WT7 in such a way?

As for who is a terrorist, again a weak argument. Zardari is arguably a bigger terrorist than OBL.

He cannot even explain why a handful of video frames were released by US authorities instead of a full video when a commercial aircraft allegedly hit the Pentagon at 500 mph+, but was quick to pay homage to FBI/CIA fraudulent files uploaded to a web server the day OBL was found after a decade - allegedly.

 

[KingKhanWC]

He cannot even explain why a handful of video frames were released by US authorities instead of a full video when a commercial aircraft allegedly hit the Pentagon at 500 mph+, but was quick to pay homage to FBI/CIA fraudulent files uploaded to a web server the day OBL was found after a decade - allegedly.

Following the US theory, it will cause contradictions, confusion and simply not being truthful of accepting holes, big holes.

There are many who no matter the evidence cannot accept the truth. Its down to conditioning , through hollywood, music, western news media, the idea they live the best life so are the good guys. We live in times people are decieved like a Shoaib Akhtar slower ball.

 

[Technics 1210]

again its based upon facts. The political events that took place after him being there and the statement from Al qaeda and the documents where its raw production got matched to a store in a city i live.

Pay notice, this guy believes in the FBI/CIA uploads, but cannot answer why the same agencies refuse to upload videos of Commercial airliner crashing into the Pentagon. Baa baa black sheep have you any wool.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Pay notice, this guy believes in the FBI/CIA uploads, but cannot answer why the same agencies refuse to upload videos of Commercial airliner crashing into the Pentagon. Baa baa black sheep have you any wool.

For anyone who was around during the American overthrow of Noriega in Panama, they might remember the invading army found "evidence" that he was a devil worshipper and had copious stashes of porn. It was in the days before "documents" could be uploaded to the internet, but in those days a press conference did the job nicely, in the same way that televised "evidence" that Saddam Hussein was throwing babies out of incubators in the first Iraq war.

Like putting a saucer of milk in front of a cat, they will just lap it all up because it must be the truth as it's coming from the Elven folk of Rivendale.

 

[Major]

For anyone who was around during the American overthrow of Noriega in Panama, they might remember the invading army found "evidence" that he was a devil worshipper and had copious stashes of porn. It was in the days before "documents" could be uploaded to the internet, but in those days a press conference did the job nicely, in the same way that televised "evidence" that Saddam Hussein was throwing babies out of incubators in the first Iraq war.

Like putting a saucer of milk in front of a cat, they will just lap it all up because it must be the truth as it's coming from the Elven folk of Rivendale.

and the documents become invalid for you even before you check them or read them up, thus, even before the enemy strikes you will believe its a conspiracy. Even though the person or his group themselves admits they did it.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

and the documents become invalid for you even before you check them or read them up, thus, even before the enemy strikes you will believe its a conspiracy. Even though the person or his group themselves admits they did it.

Or maybe I just keep an open mind and sift through what is reality and what is political expediency. Regardless of which side it's coming from.

 

[globalcitizen]

The two planes that struck the twin towers were Boeing 767s.

Even experienced pilots questioned the remarkable accuracy in which the planes hit the tower especially when the alleged pilots had never flown a commercial airliner in their life!

When you train only to crash a target like building what is difficult and surprising here.
I would think landing a plane with full of passengers on a air strip requires more skill and intelligence.
hitting a big target is just child's play or a terrorist play..

 

[globalcitizen]

An event like 9/11 has affected many people irrespective of nationality altered their lives drastically and let them heal. some horrendous and baseless accusations here and not fair to those people affected by tragedy

 

[Colorblind Genius]

An event like 9/11 has affected many people irrespective of nationality altered their lives drastically and let them heal. some horrendous and baseless accusations here and not fair to those people affected by tragedy

what does that even mean?
Who is saying anything against those who lost their loved ones?

Are you saying everyone should bow down to govt's investigation and not try to find or verify the truth?

 

[KingKhanWC]

When you train only to crash a target like building what is difficult and surprising here.
I would think landing a plane with full of passengers on a air strip requires more skill and intelligence.
hitting a big target is just child's play or a terrorist play..

You are guessing because it fits your confirmation bias.

I suggest you read what Rudi Dekkers has stated. He is the man in charge of the flight school where they trained. Training was given on single engine, light multi engine planes. Dekkers himself says even with years of flying experience, he cant fly a passenger jet. Different systems. To change speed, altitude and to hit their target would require the worlds best pilots.

An event like 9/11 has affected many people irrespective of nationality altered their lives drastically and let them heal. some horrendous and baseless accusations here and not fair to those people affected by tragedy

Truth is most important, another poor argument to shut down others. If you dont want to discuss dont but this event has caused destructions of nations, the truth must be explored for all victims.

 

[IMMY69]

Watched it last night. Easily the best movie of 2021 for me, and contender for movie of decade thus far.

Thanks for recommendation.

Glad you enjoyed it.
Just Mercy is another emotive true story.
Different topic but equally engrossing and of course a true story

 

[Napa]

And then the cross cut papers go in the incinerator. It’s easy, plenty of firms offer this service so I am sure CIA and DoD can do it.

I have a few papers with medical records and credit card statements with confidential information that I need to dispose. I am thinking of highjacking a plane and crashing it into my house to get rid of these documents.

 

[Napa]

i am no conspiracy theorist but even i cannot get my head around the official story. main standouts :

- level of skill shown by pilots was near impossible to pull off on the training the "terorrists" received, their flight school pilot said he only kept them on cos they had money but none of them could fly to a satisfactory level let alone pull of loop the loops in the middle of the air.

The WTC towers would have been visible about 50 miles away from the cockpit. A pilot flying a plane at 500 mph has 6 minutes to steer the plane on to the towers. Not sure why you think it needs a "near impossible" level of skill to do that.

 

[globalcitizen]

You are guessing because it fits your confirmation bias.

I suggest you read what Rudi Dekkers has stated. He is the man in charge of the flight school where they trained. Training was given on single engine, light multi engine planes. Dekkers himself says even with years of flying experience, he cant fly a passenger jet. Different systems. To change speed, altitude and to hit their target would require the worlds best pilots.



Truth is most important, another poor argument to shut down others. If you dont want to discuss dont but this event has caused destructions of nations, the truth must be explored for all victims.

I urge you to research about topic. There are call records to ATC where flight attendant has given details of hijackers with seat numbers. Then investigation of those revealed their ties with Afghanistan and which led them to Osama bin laden

So the truth is out there and you are being ignorant about this or choosing to be one and refuting investigation findings.
Those victims of tragedy don't want to hear something else and be peace with whats already known.

 

[globalcitizen]

You are guessing because it fits your confirmation bias.

I suggest you read what Rudi Dekkers has stated. He is the man in charge of the flight school where they trained. Training was given on single engine, light multi engine planes. Dekkers himself says even with years of flying experience, he cant fly a passenger jet. Different systems. To change speed, altitude and to hit their target would require the worlds best pilots.
.

When your only target is a large building it's not difficult. these hijackers had pilot licenses having flown small aircraft's but they were not confident of taking a commercial boeing plane off ground,. Once hijacked and close to target their flight simulation training was enough to just steer plane. Of course they never had intention to land anyway. if some one has a will there is a way.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

When your only target is a large building it's not difficult. these hijackers had pilot licenses having flown small aircraft's but they were not confident of taking a commercial boeing plane off ground,. Once hijacked and close to target their flight simulation training was enough to just steer plane. Of course they never had intention to land anyway. if some one has a will there is a way.

But the did land with a mind boggling accuracy in the front yard of, none other than, the pentagon building.
I say, it was a one time fluke. Agree?

 

[Itachi]

Seems like whenever 1998 incident comes in, conspiracy theorists avoids it saying, "you are supporter of X. Nuff said".... I wonder why it is so hard to explain 1998 for them?

 

[James]

The WTC towers would have been visible about 50 miles away from the cockpit. A pilot flying a plane at 500 mph has 6 minutes to steer the plane on to the towers. Not sure why you think it needs a "near impossible" level of skill to do that.

When your only target is a large building it's not difficult. these hijackers had pilot licenses having flown small aircraft's but they were not confident of taking a commercial boeing plane off ground,. Once hijacked and close to target their flight simulation training was enough to just steer plane. Of course they never had intention to land anyway. if some one has a will there is a way.

Agree with these posts.

There are also a handful of publicly available recordings wherein Mohammed Atta is talking to the passengers of AA11 about the progress of the hijacking, but he erroneously transmitted the messages to air traffic control (which confirmed what he was doing).

 

[James]

Without getting into conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 being an inside job, and accepting that (nearly) everything reported by the US authorities is accurate, nevertheless, there are still a lot of question marks around some of the 'facts' as claimed. There may be perfectly valid and reasonable explanations, but one also cannot completely discount numerous respected experts in the relevant technical, civil engineering and scientific fields who have questioned and challenged some of the official explanations.

For what it's worth, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but at the same time I believe that the US govt. is also hiding information that would have massive ramifications if it became public.

A good balanced post, probably just about sums up my own thoughts on the matter.

 

[Major]

The WTC towers would have been visible about 50 miles away from the cockpit. A pilot flying a plane at 500 mph has 6 minutes to steer the plane on to the towers. Not sure why you think it needs a "near impossible" level of skill to do that.

If you look at the flight path, they had steerrd the plane towards the target from quite far a way.

Infact, to target wtc, they were using the hudsun river route

 

[Major]

Seems like whenever 1998 incident comes in, conspiracy theorists avoids it saying, "you are supporter of X. Nuff said".... I wonder why it is so hard to explain 1998 for them?

Because 1998 incident cannot be hidden or diverted as bin ladden accepted its responsibility and his son aswell.

Infact, many believe al qaeda was linked to the 1993 incident when they were not. Ramzi yousif and khalid mohammad were involved in 1993 and after that event they were able to join with al qaeda and made 9/11 possible as bin laden wqs able to use the links of ramzi yousuf...

Many here also avoid the abbotabad incident aswell. Because the politcal events that took place in pakistan also proves bin laden being there. Al qaeda themselve accepting he died and al zawhiri confessions to also proves he was there

Than the documents, where our conspiracy theorist refrain from eben reading those and even before knowing about them claim it to be fake.

Just discuss about 1998 and 2011, and when they deny that, that shows the biasness of the people that they will also deny 9/11 no matter what and consider themselves as the truthseekers

 

[James]

No, I am saying that someone who can steer a car can steer an artic. You could, I could. We couldn’t park it, but we could certainly drive it at a large building and crash it.

Well yes. We aren’t talking the take off and landing of a jumbo jet full of passengers, which are tasks that do indeed take many years of intensive training and enormous skill to reliably and safely complete. The hijackers here just steered and power-dived the planes into large buildings.

I would add that UA175 (which hit the second tower) was hardly flown like the Millennium Falcon. The hijacking was highly incompetent. UA175 was flown erratically and had two close shaves with other passengers jets on the way to its target, missing collision with a Delta flight by less than 100 metres only because the Delta pilot pulled off a last-minute evasive manoeuvre.

Btw, I am not sure who the “mastermind” really was. KSM has allegedly confessed to leading the whole op, but this was under torture/duress which makes the information unreliable.

 

[Major]

Well yes. We aren’t talking the take off and landing of a jumbo jet full of passengers, which are tasks that do indeed take many years of intensive training and enormous skill to reliably and safely complete. The hijackers here just steered and power-dived the planes into large buildings.

I would add that UA175 (which hit the second tower) was hardly flown like the Millennium Falcon. The hijacking was highly incompetent. UA175 was flown erratically and had two close shaves with other passengers jets on the way to its target, missing collision with a Delta flight by less than 100 metres only because the Delta pilot pulled off a last-minute evasive manoeuvre.

Btw, I am not sure who the “mastermind” really was. KSM has allegedly confessed to leading the whole op, but this was under torture/duress which makes the information unreliable.

Bin laden and co didnt really know what to target in USA.

It was most probably ramzi yousuf and ksm who gave him the idea to go for WTC. KSM got his education from US and in the 1990s he was involved in hijacking planes in phillapines. So it was basicallly the right guys matching up to bin laden who gave them the idea of targets and how to do it.

And as for the people who deny that al qaeda did it, KSM gave an interview in 2002 when he was not captured, that was his only interview and in that he mentioned that he was the head of al qaedas millitary comitittee and ramzi yousuf is the cordinator of holy tuesday.

Yet these confessions mean nothing to the conspiracy theorist

 

[Napa]

Without getting into conspiracy theories regarding 9/11 being an inside job, and accepting that (nearly) everything reported by the US authorities is accurate, nevertheless, there are still a lot of question marks around some of the 'facts' as claimed. There may be perfectly valid and reasonable explanations, but one also cannot completely discount numerous respected experts in the relevant technical, civil engineering and scientific fields who have questioned and challenged some of the official explanations.

For what it's worth, I don't believe 9/11 was an inside job, but at the same time I believe that the US govt. is also hiding information that would have massive ramifications if it became public.

The most significant information “hidden” by the US government was the involvement of some members of the Saudi royal family in financing OBL.

Not the Saudi government but only some members.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Agree with these posts.

There are also a handful of publicly available recordings wherein Mohammed Atta is talking to the passengers of AA11 about the progress of the hijacking, but he erroneously transmitted the messages to air traffic control (which confirmed what he was doing).

Ironic, isn't it?

But you didn't answer to post # 184.

 

[Technics 1210]

It's taken over 3 days for proponents of the official story of 9/11 come out with a defense of the god-like skills of the alledged pilots in this thread, that too, in the shadows of a poster, and yet they fail to understand the pilots had NEVER flown a commercial airliner. Captains of 747s have said it was impossible to pull such moves.

The Quick-shot joystick must be rusty.

 

[Technics 1210]

Anyone have access to these so called erroneous messages transmitted to ATC?

Thought so.

Then again 2 Russians were on a tourist trip to Salisbury.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Seems like whenever 1998 incident comes in, conspiracy theorists avoids it saying, "you are supporter of X. Nuff said".... I wonder why it is so hard to explain 1998 for them?

First you would have to differentiate what constitutes a conspiracy theorist since you have gone down that route. Then we can get to what the mysterious "X" might constitute.

 

[Technics 1210]

Even if you grant 1998, still doesn't explain why OBL wouldn't admit to 9/11. He denied from the on-set, then later admitted to be behind 9/11? Yeah right. He squandered the one moment where he's have the upper hand over Amreeka government. Makes complete sense, not.

 

[Technics 1210]

Well yes. We aren’t talking the take off and landing of a jumbo jet full of passengers, which are tasks that do indeed take many years of intensive training and enormous skill to reliably and safely complete. The hijackers here just steered and power-dived the planes into large buildings.

I would add that UA175 (which hit the second tower) was hardly flown like the Millennium Falcon. The hijacking was highly incompetent. UA175 was flown erratically and had two close shaves with other passengers jets on the way to its target, missing collision with a Delta flight by less than 100 metres only because the Delta pilot pulled off a last-minute evasive manoeuvre.

Btw, I am not sure who the “mastermind” really was. KSM has allegedly confessed to leading the whole op, but this was under torture/duress which makes the information unreliable.

Flown erratically, 2 close shaves, missing a collision, yet these pilots some how hit their targets with pin point accuracy.

You couldn't make this up.

 

[Yossarian]

The most significant information “hidden” by the US government was the involvement of some members of the Saudi royal family in financing OBL.

Not the Saudi government but only some members.

Oh, so you know as a fact that nothing is hidden by the US govt, that is apart from what you say is hidden?

And you have a direct line to the US intelligence community, hence why you know all about the secret that's been hidden about the Saudis financing OBL?

And the same direct line tells you that everything has been disclosed by the US govt, and is out in the open?

Ever considered the fact that being 'hidden' means it's not public knowledge?

To quote Rumsfeld

...... But there are also unknown unknowns—the ones we don't know we don't know....

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I flirted with the conspiracy theory in my younger days but as I've got older, I've come to the conclusion that it would damn near impossible to stop any leaks about an inside job of this magnitude.

I like [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] posts in this thread. They pretty much explain my own views on the situation.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I urge you to research about topic. There are call records to ATC where flight attendant has given details of hijackers with seat numbers. Then investigation of those revealed their ties with Afghanistan and which led them to Osama bin laden

So the truth is out there and you are being ignorant about this or choosing to be one and refuting investigation findings.
Those victims of tragedy don't want to hear something else and be peace with whats already known.

When your only target is a large building it's not difficult. these hijackers had pilot licenses having flown small aircraft's but they were not confident of taking a commercial boeing plane off ground,. Once hijacked and close to target their flight simulation training was enough to just steer plane. Of course they never had intention to land anyway. if some one has a will there is a way.

You urge me to research but then write this?

1. A number of highjackers were found alive. Do you believe in miracles?

2. Are you a trained pilot? As the pilot who trained them says it would be near impossible for them to fly a passenger jet into the towers for many reasons, one being the controls are different.

As I wrote earlier, there are some poor arguments on this thread by those who find it difficult to accept masses of evidence pointing to holes in the story. The main being the research done by a highly qualified expert team from the Institute of Northern Engineering - University of Alaska Fairbanks.

This link imo proves 911 was not done by some bloke in a cave.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

 

[KingKhanWC]

I flirted with the conspiracy theory in my younger days but as I've got older, I've come to the conclusion that it would damn near impossible to stop any leaks about an inside job of this magnitude.

I like [MENTION=4930]Yossarian[/MENTION] posts in this thread. They pretty much explain my own views on the situation.

Great for your diary bro but hardly an argument. The plan would have only been known at a higher level, the rest of those who helped didnt have a clue but were following orders. Logic would suggest those behind 911 could easily kill anyone who made a leak, besides media or others not wanting ot entertain them, therefore no point.

Perhaps you prove to me OBL was behind this, nobody on this thread has?

 

[Colorblind Genius]

Anyone have access to these so called erroneous messages transmitted to ATC?

Thought so.

Then again 2 Russians were on a tourist trip to Salisbury.

A very thought provoking was the one from flight 93, when this passenger called his mom on the phone from the plane, and introduced himself by stating his first and last name.

"This is Mark Bingham".

Now you tell me, does that even make sense?

I don't think there has EVER been an incident anywhere in the world in the entire human history, when a son calls his mom and starts the conversation by stating his first and last name.

 

[globalcitizen]

You urge me to research but then write this?

1. A number of highjackers were found alive. Do you believe in miracles?

2. Are you a trained pilot? As the pilot who trained them says it would be near impossible for them to fly a passenger jet into the towers for many reasons, one being the controls are different.

As I wrote earlier, there are some poor arguments on this thread by those who find it difficult to accept masses of evidence pointing to holes in the story. The main being the research done by a highly qualified expert team from the Institute of Northern Engineering - University of Alaska Fairbanks.

This link imo proves 911 was not done by some bloke in a cave.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

This is what dekkers the person who was instructor at flight school said. He has also said they were not bright students especially for a pilot job, but they continued expensive training and no one bothered at flight school.

the below is based on reports from school;
the two men only wanted to learn how to steer planes, not how to take off and land -- which some have suggested should have triggered suspicions at the school.

Close to 3000 people died in this attack and few 1000s personally affected, and here we are discussing conspiracy theories. Disgusting

 

[James]

Anyone have access to these so called erroneous messages transmitted to ATC?

Thought so.

Then again 2 Russians were on a tourist trip to Salisbury.

The Atta transmissions are publicly available mate, they’re even on the Wikipedia page for 9/11 — you don’t have to dig that deep for this stuff.

 

[James]

A very thought provoking was the one from flight 93, when this passenger called his mom on the phone from the plane, and introduced himself by stating his first and last name.

Now you tell me, does that even make sense?

I don't think there has EVER been an incident anywhere in the world in the entire human history, when a son calls his mom and starts the conversation by stating his first and last name.

I don’t really understand your point. At the time there was a hijacking in progress on UA93, which has since been consecutively proven by both the flight recorder and the cockpit voice recorder, and the news from the ground about the towers being hit had already filtered upwards by this point. Mark Bingham, along with the other passengers, was thus likely coming to terms with the fact that his life was about to abruptly end, and the intense avalanche of profound thoughts on his own mortality that he was experiencing at the time might just, just have caused him to oddly state his name on the phone in a final conversation with his mother.

This thread is quite an emotionally heightened one, understandably so — I would add from my own perspective, on a more general note, that I inherently distrust governments nowadays and that I often disbelieve official government stories.

JFK for example is a scenario where a conspiratorial alternative narrative undoubtedly took place in reality and has been covered up to protect numerous deep state interests. Donald Trump knew this perfectly well, having reviewed the investigative material unredacted several years ago when he was the President, and despite him wanting to declassify the whole thing in the public interest (which would have been the right thing to do) he eventually buckled to intensive internal pressure from the military-industrial complex and the intelligence agencies — under all manners of personal threats I would imagine — and he closed the file for good.

I also think that many elections and votes in different countries (including in western countries) have been rigged over the years in various ways, in order to trigger a particular change or further an agenda towards a particular outcome.

But for the most part I would put 9/11 alongside the Moon landings as a “story of interest” that the available evidence largely supports as having happened and that I choose to, on the whole, believe.

Where I become humbly unsure is the identity of the high level perpetrator(s) of 9/11. On that point I don’t feel that we have an ultimate answer, and in my view there is still a discussion to be had around that one.

 

[Technics 1210]

Great for your diary bro but hardly an argument. The plan would have only been known at a higher level, the rest of those who helped didnt have a clue but were following orders. Logic would suggest those behind 911 could easily kill anyone who made a leak, besides media or others not wanting ot entertain them, therefore no point.

Perhaps you prove to me OBL was behind this, nobody on this thread has?

Most people do not understand the fact that secret service agencies such as the CIA, FBI, and on top the Military are not only trained to keep secrets, but much larger secrets, and are imprisoned for leaking any info. Chelsea Manning was the last person to be imprisoned (then pardoned) for releasing a video exposing the realities of Iraq war, we all know what happened next with Jullian Assange in the frame.

Forget 9/11, an entire encyclopedia on CIA secrets in South America would be a great seller!

 

[Technics 1210]

This is what dekkers the person who was instructor at flight school said. He has also said they were not bright students especially for a pilot job, but they continued expensive training and no one bothered at flight school.

the below is based on reports from school;
the two men only wanted to learn how to steer planes, not how to take off and land -- which some have suggested should have triggered suspicions at the school.

Close to 3000 people died in this attack and few 1000s personally affected, and here we are discussing conspiracy theories. Disgusting

Aww. Amreeka has killed far more namely in the ME, but that's all game and up for discussion right?

You should be asking yourself why the authorities are not releasing swathes of evidence which could easily prove who was behind 9/11.

 

[Technics 1210]

Documents were destroyed when the twin towers collapsed, the fires were flaming for days, if not weeks in the debris, yet, an unscathed passport of one of the alledged hijackers magically appeared on top of the rubble, unscathed, and not a single scratch or mark - another miracle?

Guess who is a master at producing forged documents and framing innocent people?

'Israel remains silent over use of forged British passports in Dubai assassination'

https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2010/feb/18/dubai-assassination-forged-british-passports

 

[Technics 1210]

the below is based on reports from school;
the two men only wanted to learn how to steer planes, not how to take off and land -- which some have suggested should have triggered suspicions at the school.

Sheer nonsense you've made up.

First of all you do not steer a plane, second of all the yoke is used to control the pitch, roll, and yaw of the plane. These are the basic controls of flight, not steering a plane left or right.

Hence you pilot a plane.

 

[Technics 1210]

A very thought provoking was the one from flight 93, when this passenger called his mom on the phone from the plane, and introduced himself by stating his first and last name.

Now you tell me, does that even make sense?

I don't think there has EVER been an incident anywhere in the world in the entire human history, when a son calls his mom and starts the conversation by stating his first and last name.

I'm surprised he didn't follow up with his date of birth and address.

Saying this Flight 93 and how it crashed is far more symptomatic of how rookie pilots would control a commercial airliner for the first time ever. Also when you consider the passengers overwhelmed the hijackers makes flight 93 are far more plausible event. Plus the release of cockpit recording and passenger calls. All in all a botched hijacking from top to bottom.

No wonder Hollywood green-lit the movie.

 

[Major]

Even if you grant 1998, still doesn't explain why OBL wouldn't admit to 9/11. He denied from the on-set, then later admitted to be behind 9/11? Yeah right. He squandered the one moment where he's have the upper hand over Amreeka government. Makes complete sense, not.

read that statement by Bin Laden again.

He initially denied responsibility due to the reason that US would retaliate and the Taliban govt would be lead into a war, when infact at the time it was AL Qaeda vs USA.
In his statement Bi Laden had to mention that the current leader under whose rule he is living doesnt allow him to excersize such attacks.

After which when Bush Administration asked taliban govt to give them bin Laden or face the consequnces and Mullah Omar denied the request, thats when Al qaeda understood they had the backing of Mullah Omar. Hence, afterwards, Bin Laden, his spokesperson, and all other cronies of the Al qaeda took responsibility of the attacks.

Another assumption that is often dicussed is that no one expected that buildings would go down, it was just that the floors would be hit and thats it. Not much damage was expected just like how Pentagon was hit.

 

[James]

I'm surprised he didn't follow up with his date of birth and address.

Saying this Flight 93 and how it crashed is far more symptomatic of how rookie pilots would control a commercial airliner for the first time ever. Also when you consider the passengers overwhelmed the hijackers makes flight 93 are far more plausible event. Plus the release of cockpit recording and passenger calls. All in all a botched hijacking from top to bottom.

No wonder Hollywood green-lit the movie.

The passengers and crew aboard UA93 were heroes. By their act of disrupting the hijacking and forcing down the plane, the lives of many innocent women and children on the ground in D.C. were saved. Genuine bravery, in a world that is now particularly short of the same.

 

[Technics 1210]

The passengers and crew aboard UA93 were heroes. By their act of disrupting the hijacking and forcing down the plane, the lives of many innocent women and children on the ground in D.C. were saved. Genuine bravery, in a world that is now particularly short of the same.

Why didn't the passengers and crew disrupt the hijackers of the other flights? The hijackers had box cutters too.

And while the passengers and crew of UA93 saved the lives of innocent people on the ground, what ensued was the loss of 10000s innocent lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the ones who exposed the realities - Chelsea Manning, Jullian Assange, and Snowden - are even bigger heroes.

 

[Major]

Why didn't the passengers and crew disrupt the hijackers of the other flights? The hijackers had box cutters too.

And while the passengers and crew of UA93 saved the lives of innocent people on the ground, what ensued was the loss of 10000s innocent lives in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the ones who exposed the realities - Chelsea Manning, Jullian Assange, and Snowden - are even bigger heroes.

Forgods sake do some research. You keep on posting post after post without even knowing the facts

First of all, all the hijacking flights were schduled at 8 am. Flight ua93 was delayed by 40+ mins due to airport congestion.

Infact as soon as one of the other flights was hijacked thats when ua 93 had taken off. Now look at the airmaps of all the planes.

When your plane is hijacked, you used to be taken back to the airport and a hostage negotiation is done. Crashing into buildings wasnt something that happened thay much.

It was only agter when the passengers saw they were flying low over Ny and were in building areas that they realized they were to be crashed.

Flight UA93 took a larger path to turn. It had already been delayed and with the hijacking being late, by that time wtc had been hit and many on board flight ua93 had been infomred about this. Even the hostess who tried calling on the phone got to know this.

During this time, the airspace was closed, and it was figured that flight UA93 is coming towards washington and was either gonna hit the capitol or whitehouse. Vice president had given orders to shoot down the plane...

And the passengers int he flight lnew this would be crashed and not landed for hostages as they werr told about the wtc attacks through phone calls.

There are some rumors that maybe ua93 had to be bought down and that something they coudlnt tell to the public as it would had reflected really bad

 

[Technics 1210]

Sheer delusional nonsense.

The crew of the other flights were too busy confirming seat numbers of the hijackers.

Pull the other one when you say they were not aware their flight was hijacked regardless of what time the flights took off.

 

[Major]

Sheer delusional nonsense.

The crew of the other flights were too busy confirming seat numbers of the hijackers.

Pull the other one when you say they were not aware their flight was hijacked regardless of what time the flights took off.

Delusional? You really have no idea about the facts of the case and dont bother reading or updating yourself on it... You dont know what time those fligths took off what were their paths and at what times they were hijacked.

You dont even know the fact taht before 9/11 hijackings were not even about crashing, it was about landing and negotiating hostage release. Still you make immature comments here regarding the death of many innocent lives.

 

[Technics 1210]

Someone who thinks a plane is steered has no grounds for claiming facts.

Still waiting on an answer on why the authorities only released a few frames of video from one of the most guarded buildings on the planet.

Then there's the miraculous bullet proof, bomb proof, fire proof, god proof - passport which was 'found' and alledgly identified one of the hijackers.

 

[James]

Why didn't the passengers and crew disrupt the hijackers of the other flights? The hijackers had box cutters too.

This is explained by the transcripts and recordings of passenger & crew discussions on UA93. The box cutters and the (fake) bomb devices etc were not a huge factor in their decision to retake the plane. The passengers on all of the planes, including UA93, were terrified of the hijackers. As most people in that situation would be.

The difference with UA93 was that the other planes had already hit, and the news was coming through to them about this over the phones. Thus the people aboard UA93 already knew that their likely fate would be to die when their plane was flown into a building.

The passengers aboard the other planes did not have the time nor the chance to discover this context. On AA11 for example, the first plane to hit the towers, Mohammed Atta was speaking regularly to the passengers — using the captain’s headset, in fluent English — reassuring them that if they stayed calm and remained seated that they would not be harmed, and that the plane would be returned safely to the airport. These are the recordings that were accidentally transmitted to ATC on the ground, the same ones that you can listen to on YouTube and Wikipedia. It is how ATC first found out about the hijacking(s) — ‘We have some planes.’

For the passengers on UA93, then, with the benefit of hindsight about the other planes, they knew that they would die anyway if they did nothing. They also had a retired ATC employee and a qualified pilot amongst the passengers, as well as a number of young and strong able-bodied men. People who could potentially retake the plane and work together to land it. And so, against the hijackers with their box cutter and (fake) bomb device, they hedged their bets.

 

[Technics 1210]

This is explained by the transcripts and recordings of passenger & crew discussions on UA93. The box cutters and the (fake) bomb devices etc were not a huge factor in their decision to retake the plane. The passengers on all of the planes, including UA93, were terrified of the hijackers. As most people in that situation would be.

The difference with UA93 was that the other planes had already hit, and the news was coming through to them about this over the phones. Thus the people aboard UA93 already knew that their likely fate would be to die when their plane was flown into a building.

The passengers aboard the other planes did not have the time nor the chance to discover this context. On AA11 for example, the first plane to hit the towers, Mohammed Atta was speaking regularly to the passengers — using the captain’s headset, in fluent English — reassuring them that if they stayed calm and remained seated that they would not be harmed, and that the plane would be returned safely to the airport. These are the recordings that were accidentally transmitted to ATC on the ground, the same ones that you can listen to on YouTube and Wikipedia. It is how ATC first found out about the hijacking(s) — ‘We have some planes.’

For the passengers on UA93, then, with the benefit of hindsight about the other planes, they knew that they would die anyway if they did nothing. They also had a retired ATC employee and a qualified pilot amongst the passengers, as well as a number of young and strong able-bodied men. People who could potentially retake the plane and work together to land it. And so, against the hijackers with their box cutter and (fake) bomb device, they hedged their bets.

The news of the other flights crashing and context isn't the point. The point is why didn't the passengers and crew of the other flights overwhelm the hijackers given the crew was confirming seat numbers of the hijackers? If the crew were unaware their flight was hijacked, why was the crew confirming seat numbers?

Granted if the hijackers had guns it would be different, but we're talk about box cutters.

Every hijack in aviation history has a record of passengers and crew trying to overcome hijackers - whether the plane lands or crashes.

The video and audio of UA93 is all well and good and simply proves what the crews are meant to do in such situations; but as for the other flights, most of the recordings have been hidden from public knowledge.

 

[Technics 1210]

You urge me to research but then write this?

1. A number of highjackers were found alive. Do you believe in miracles?

2. Are you a trained pilot? As the pilot who trained them says it would be near impossible for them to fly a passenger jet into the towers for many reasons, one being the controls are different.

As I wrote earlier, there are some poor arguments on this thread by those who find it difficult to accept masses of evidence pointing to holes in the story. The main being the research done by a highly qualified expert team from the Institute of Northern Engineering - University of Alaska Fairbanks.

This link imo proves 911 was not done by some bloke in a cave.

https://ine.uaf.edu/wtc7

It's not just the controls that are different.

The planes used in flight school are technically known as gliders which is a different ball game when comparing with jet airliners and have different handling.

The other main difference is the engine type. Flight school trains you on propeller powered planes, while commercial airliners have thrust engines. It's literally comparing day and night.

I've always maintained that 9/11 is a false flag (not an inside job).

The families of the victims have every right to know the truth, so the 'tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists' are doing them a service in seeking the truth by exposed the gaping holes in the official report. In fact most americans do not accept the official report.

It was the families of 9/11 victims that refused to accept the official report, and more so made the biggest noise when it was revealed that Saudis were alledgedly involved years later.

You will find this paper interesting - 9/11 - Why international law must dare to care.

https://www.euppublishing.com/doi/abs/10.3366/ajicl.2017.0200

 

[MenInG]

The terrorists behind the 11 September attacks in the United States failed "to shake our belief in freedom and democracy", Boris Johnson has said.

In a message to mark the 20th anniversary, the PM said that while the terror threat remained, people refused "to live in permanent fear".

"That we are coming together today - in sorrow but also in faith and resolve - demonstrates the failure of terrorism."

A total of 2,977 people died in the terror attacks, including 67 Britons.

Events are being held around the world to remember those who lost their lives.

The attacks, which were planned by al-Qaeda from Afghanistan, saw four US passenger jets seized by suicide attackers - two of which were flown into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York.

Another plane crashed into the Pentagon, just outside the US capital, Washington DC, and a fourth plane crashed in a field in Pennsylvania after passengers fought back.

As part of the day's events to mark the anniversary, a private service of remembrance organised by the September 11 UK Families Support Group will be held at Grosvenor Square in central London.

After sunset, 67 candles will be lit in the garden to remember each of the British victims.

In the prime minister's address, which will be played at a memorial event at the Olympic Park in east London on Saturday, he said recent events in Afghanistan had only strengthened people's belief in freedom and democracy.

"Twenty years ago, September 11 2001 became, in President Roosevelt's words after Pearl Harbor, a 'date which will live in infamy'," he said.

"On a crystal clear morning, terrorists attacked the United States with the simple goal of killing or maiming as many human beings as possible, and by inflicting such bloodshed in the world's greatest democracy, they tried to destroy the faith of free peoples everywhere in the open societies which terrorists despise and which we cherish."

He said that "precisely because of the openness and tolerance of the United States" almost every nationality and religion were among those murdered that day.

"But while the terrorists imposed their burden of grief and suffering, and while the threat persists today, we can now say with the perspective of 20 years that they failed to shake our belief in freedom and democracy; they failed to drive our nations apart, or cause us to abandon our values, or to live in permanent fear."

 

[MenInG]

US President Joe Biden has urged unity as his country remembers the victims of the 2001 11 September attacks.

In a video released on the eve of the 20th anniversary, he paid tribute to the 2,977 people who lost their lives.

"We honour all those who risked and gave their lives in the minutes, hours, months and years afterwards," Mr Biden added, speaking of the emergency workers who responded to the attacks.

Commemoration events are due to take place on Saturday.

"No matter how much time has passed, these commemorations bring everything painfully back as if you just got the news a few seconds ago," the president said.

He acknowledged the "darker forces of human nature - fear and anger, resentment and violence against Muslim Americans" which followed the attacks, but said that unity had remained the US' "greatest strength".

"We learned that unity is the one thing that must never break," he added.

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson meanwhile said the attacks had failed "to shake our belief in freedom and democracy". Among the dead in the 11 September attacks were 67 Britons.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Nato soldiers showing some photos to Afghan farmers, who have no idea about 9/11:


<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="ur" dir="rtl">نیٹو کے ایک فوجی نے 11 ستمبر کے حملے کی تصاویر عام افغانوں کو دکھا کر پوچھا کہ کیا آپ جانتے ہیں کہ یہ کیا ہے؟ <br>نوجوان نے جواب دیا کہ میں کسان ہوں اور صرف گندم اور اناج کے بارے میں جانتا ہوں۔ ان تصاویر کے بارے میں مجھے کوئی اندازہ نہیں ہے<br>کسی نے کہا کہ میرے خیال میں یہ کابل ہے <a href="https://t.co/8oS4Ymkw8V">pic.twitter.com/8oS4Ymkw8V</a></p>— افغان اردو (@AfghanUrdu) <a href="https://twitter.com/AfghanUrdu/status/1437151535574790150?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 12, 2021</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>