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GLORY OF '92

GLORY OF '92

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I've been watching Pakistan since 1999 and can't remember a day where I've been so confused and angry without it being a loss. Ridiculous tactics.
 
GLORY OF '92 said:
I've been watching Pakistan since 1999 and can't remember a day where I've been so confused and angry without it being a loss. Ridiculous tactics.
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So you don't remember this thriller?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63899.html

But you make a good point, I'd much rather we had modern, attacking cricket at 4 and even 5 RPO like we saw in these games which will be remembered as some of the most exciting tests we have ever seen.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/388993.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/233797.html

If you want to say you were bored, fine. Different people get bored more or less easily, whatever. I'm not going to argue with that.

But to say it's the dullest day of test cricket you've seen in 20 years? That just means you haven't watched as many Pakistan tests as you say you have.
 
Big Mac said:
So you don't remember this thriller?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63899.html

But you make a good point, I'd much rather we had modern, attacking cricket at 4 and even 5 RPO like we saw in these games which will be remembered as some of the most exciting tests we have ever seen.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/388993.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/233797.html

If you want to say you were bored, fine. Different people get bored more or less easily, whatever. I'm not going to argue with that.

But to say it's the dullest day of test cricket you've seen in 20 years? That just means you haven't watched as many Pakistan tests as you say you have.
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Thats one thing to support something and that's another to defend everything blindly... Just accept it we played poorly against a low ranked team.
 
1 of 51 balls in the first inning is unacceptable in any form of cricket, in any conditions.

Glad that I'm too busy to watch such boring cricket.
 
The_Odd_One said:
1 of 51 balls in the first inning is unacceptable in any form of cricket, in any conditions.

Glad that I'm too busy to watch such boring cricket.
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This is the last test have patience, the guy is old his reflexes are giving up, to demand something better than he had played in his whole career isn't a wise thing.
That's why I haven't post anything against Misbah in this innings.
I blame Azhar Ali he would've scored a 200+ innings if he had played with a little better strike rate, He easily can but why didn't he??
 
Sports_Psychologist said:
This is the last test have patience, the guy is old his reflexes are giving up, to demand something better than he had played in his whole career isn't a wise thing.
That's why I haven't post anything against Misbah in this innings.
I blame Azhar Ali he would've scored a 200+ innings if he had played with a little better strike rate, He easily can but why didn't he??
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Azhar is an excellent batsman but you should not expect him to bat at a SR of more than 40. Call him limited or defensive but that's just his game, and he is flourishing in his role.

However to score 1 off 51 deliveries is just :facepalm:
 
Sports_Psychologist said:
Thats one thing to support something and that's another to defend everything blindly... Just accept it we played poorly against a low ranked team.
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What?

I literally said I wasn't going to argue if someone found it boring.

I also said that it was far from the dullest day of Pakistan test cricket in 20 years, because that's a nonsensical statement when we have had a handful of the dullest bore draws good for nothing but padding the averages of the batsmen involved. If you want to see selfish cricket, look at some of those games.
 
Big Mac said:
So you don't remember this thriller?

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/63899.html

But you make a good point, I'd much rather we had modern, attacking cricket at 4 and even 5 RPO like we saw in these games which will be remembered as some of the most exciting tests we have ever seen.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/388993.html

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/233797.html

If you want to say you were bored, fine. Different people get bored more or less easily, whatever. I'm not going to argue with that.

But to say it's the dullest day of test cricket you've seen in 20 years? That just means you haven't watched as many Pakistan tests as you say you have.
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One more I think I can recall is against Zimboks in 1996, then the Lahore Test of 2006 (which according to Shahriar Khan, was played on an under prepared wicket due to winter & produced scores like 678/6 dec. & 420/1 dec.).

I think, in last 20 years, most of the boring Tests had been played in PAK (when cricket was there), UAE & WI - one of the main reason is, both (three) countries prepare the worst possible cricket wicket - dead slow, low & soft wicket (which doesn't break the wicket for spinner, rather it just dies with duration - gets slower & lower), where survival isn't that tough, but scoring quick is impossible. Particularly in 90s, PCB's wickets were the worst of it's kind for a team like PAK, which had some of the best attractive stroke makers & genuine wicket taking strike bowlers - no wonder, PAK's record in between 1990-2005 with that team was worst at home - series loss to SRL (2), ENG, ZIM, IND, SAF, AUS & a single Test loss to SRL.

Interesting is, before the Test that you have posted here (Vs ENG), PAK had Wasim, Waquar, Saqlin, Shoaib, Mushi, Kaneria & Razzak available - before the Series, one Buzurg (won't name), said that PAK shouldn't risk fast & bouncy wicket because of the England attack. So, PCB went for absolute horrible wickets & ENG was saved by the dogged defense of Atherton, Thorpe, Salisbury, White & Hussian on those vulgar wickets (their 3 stroke makers Hick, Stewart & Treskothick had horrible return in that series), while PAK's attacking batting was bored to death by none other than great Ashley Giles, who kept darting on negative length for whole day.

First 2 Tests were played in north Punjab, therefore even 75 overs/day was difficult & that didn't allow enough time for PAK to force a result, neither the wicket enough time to break enough for the spinners - Poms & their trusted pad saved the first 2 Tests (none of the Tests had even 400 overs, & ENG saved it by the skin of their teeth). Then the 3rd Test was played at Karachi where 450 overs were possible. Again, Atherton batted/padded for 8 hours for his hundred & PAK lost first time at Karachi for one bad day - that resulted a Series loss 0-1 for the hosts, which they should have won 3-0, batting full innings 3 times at most. After the Test, I read some "analysis" & also "discussion" in PTV World - thank God - that scar of "analysis" by PAK Buzurgs didn't have a permanent impact in my memory, otherwise ....


Having said that, today Misbah, YK & Azhar over killed the safety mode - nothing can be said in support for a Test PAK trying to win for a historic series win & there is a good chance of further rain interruption.
 
In other news today, Saha, Maxwell, Simmons, Pollard and Co. combined to score 453 off 40 overs, at a rate of 11.33 per over.
 
Napa said:
In other news today, Saha, Maxwell, Simmons, Pollard and Co. combined to score 453 off 40 overs, at a rate of 11.33 per over.
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Must have been a stunning TEST match that :/
 
sad to say even Moyo's team had more flair than this dull team of Pakistan. I won't blame Pak fans for giving up on test cricket after the torture they have witnessed under Misbah.
 
Napa said:
Apparently the world's best cricket players are still able to play cricket while not playing Test matches
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Actually I am also able to play cricket and I am far away from being world's best so your point is?
 
Napa said:
Pakistan were definitely the moral victors here... they scored at 2.45 while England only managed 2.44 and 2.39...
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Oh man, you just reminded me of a CricketAnalyst* thread about strike rate (because of course it was) where he claimed that weaker teams beat stronger teams by batting quicker than them all the time, then when asked for evidence didn't and cried about being persecuted and trolled and instead asked other people to provide evidence that weaker teams beat stronges teams by being defensive.

Then people (@IndianWillow and [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] I think) provided evidence of those games, then went back and asked mr Analyst to provide evidence of his games.

iirc he responded with something like "I've got a list of way more games supporting my case than there is of the list of games that you guys listed but I'm going on holiday and I'll give you my supporting evidence when I return"

That was a year or two ago, I should bump that thread because either he has finished compiling that list or he's gone on the longest holiday in history :))

*(It was one of the guys with analyst or analyse in his name, they all blend into one big mess of people who don't know what they're talking about)
 
Big Mac said:
Oh man, you just reminded me of a CricketAnalyst* thread about strike rate (because of course it was) where he claimed that weaker teams beat stronger teams by batting quicker than them all the time, then when asked for evidence didn't and cried about being persecuted and trolled and instead asked other people to provide evidence that weaker teams beat stronges teams by being defensive.

Then people (@IndianWillow and [MENTION=138379]#GreenRoars[/MENTION] I think) provided evidence of those games, then went back and asked mr Analyst to provide evidence of his games.

iirc he responded with something like "I've got a list of way more games supporting my case than there is of the list of games that you guys listed but I'm going on holiday and I'll give you my supporting evidence when I return"

That was a year or two ago, I should bump that thread because either he has finished compiling that list or he's gone on the longest holiday in history :))

*(It was one of the guys with analyst or analyse in his name, they all blend into one big mess of people who don't know what they're talking about)
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You are a pretty good poster mate. Also, as a neutral, I have been a big fan of Misbah. I also believe that any discussion with regards to SR needs to be looked at with context.

But this innings of Misbah, when he was on 1 runs of 51 balls in the 1st innings is definitely something that needs to be criticised. In the first innings, Pakistan were looking to gain a significant advantage, and needed a more positive outlook. No one asked Misbah to score at a 60-70 SR in his first 50 balls. But he should have had a more positive outlook looking for singles. Even if he had scored only 10-20 runs in singles from the first 50 it would have been fine.

But just blocking every ball takes without any singles doesn't put any pressure on the bowlers. It allows the bowling team to dictate. Had Misbah gotten a special delivery or had the pitch misbehaved after 51 balls, all of his efforts would have gone down the drain. Because of Misbah Pakistan scored next to nothing for 15 overs.
 
Some of you people just don't get it Misbah was tiring the bowlers so that Sarfaraz can milk them later on.. He succeeded without Misbah playing the way he did pak would have folded out for 300
 
Look Misbah is old 43+ and counting how can you expect him to be better in this age?? That's his last test his reflexes are giving up on him, he can't see the ball properly but he is still scoring runs and that's what shows his commitment , he is obviously going to bat slow in this age.

But what I don't understand is why Azhar Ali who is definitely capable of scoring faster rate is batting at a slow strike rate, he hasn't done it in the past then why now?
I believe it's the team plan which in my opinion is the worst way to go about a game..
 
Big Mac said:
What?

I literally said I wasn't going to argue if someone found it boring.

I also said that it was far from the dullest day of Pakistan test cricket in 20 years, because that's a nonsensical statement when we have had a handful of the dullest bore draws good for nothing but padding the averages of the batsmen involved. If you want to see selfish cricket, look at some of those games.
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See you're still defending it.. we played poorly against a low ranked team on a batting Paradise just accept it. And dont compare it with other matches, this is freaking West Indies... I will support a boring draw against South Africa or Australia anywhere, anytime but against this inexperienced West Indian team is absolutely Pathetic..
 
Syed1 said:
Azhar is an excellent batsman but you should not expect him to bat at a SR of more than 40. Call him limited or defensive but that's just his game, and he is flourishing in his role.

However to score 1 off 51 deliveries is just :facepalm:
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No this is rubbish that Azhars game is limited.. just because he batted poorly on West Indies doesn't mean he is limited.. the same guy scored tons at good sr in England, Australia and everywhere.. even that SriLankan 100 in a quick chase was amazing so he definitely can...
But why isn't he batting in this innings??? Last innings I understand he didn't score previously so he was a little confused but now he was of a fresh ton in West Indies he should've​ batted quickly.
And when it comes to Misbah
Look Misbah is old 43+ and counting how can you expect him to be better in this age?? That's his last test his reflexes are giving up on him, he can't see the ball properly but he is still scoring runs and that's what shows his commitment , he is obviously going to bat slow in this age.

But what I don't understand is why Azhar Ali who is definitely capable of scoring at a faster rate is batting at a slow strike rate, he hasn't done it in the past then why now?

I believe it's the team plan which in my opinion is the worst way to go about a game..
 
Lahore Test v England in 2000 was an abortion, as was the first two Tests v India in 2006. Don't get me started on the 2009 Sri Lanka home series.

The first session of Day 2 in Dominica though is right up there.
 
MRSN said:
sad to say even Moyo's team had more flair than this dull team of Pakistan. I won't blame Pak fans for giving up on test cricket after the torture they have witnessed under Misbah.
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Yes - such torture....

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I'm sure there is a large chunk of South Asian cricket fans who either have amnesia or some sort of selective memory loss.

Sure - yesterday was a very slow and dull day - there's no two ways about it. It was frustrating to watch & we would have been in a much stronger position if we had got to 376 by half way through or at latest tea time yesterday.

However, the way some Pakistani fans are bashing a captain who lead us from the 2010 Spot Fixing to No.1 on in the World, as he plays his last match for Pakistan is disgraceful. That too - not for losing a match or a series - simply for batting too slow for their liking.

If there any any 'Pakistani fans' who have lost interest in Test cricket because of "what they have witnessed under Misbah" - good riddance. We are better off without them.
 
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Pakistan under Misbah has created just the sort of atmosphere that alienates avid cricket watchers from following cricket. These five years have effectively created a wedge between the people and the sport who used to watch cricket because the team played attractively, winning was secondary. Pakistani people have always wanted to see fireworks and miracles on the field because they have no other outlet of their tremendous capacity for hope, that is why they have mythologised palyers like Afridi.
The current team under Misbah has won watches, famously drawing in England, but they have separated the awaam from cricket, younger people ( I mean 14-15 year olds) are now switching over to viewing football, tennis etc. The only legacy that Misbah leaves is accelerating the process of alienation, let's hope Sarfraz can do something about this.
 
Needed more urgency after the rain delays on Day 1 and the fact we lost the last Test. Should've made 450+ on a flat, easy paced surface.

Disappointed with our approach.

BTW that background is beautiful.
 
Doesn't matter we are in good position its the end result that counts yes it was painful to watch BTW beautiful background would like to visit Dominica
 
Pakistan has become the most boring side in international cricket for last few years especially under Misbah's leadership both in ODIs and tests.I can't remember when i last saw more than an hour of Pakistan playing.It is hard to believe how this team has transformed over last decade from being a most exciting team to the most boring side.
 
I agree with OP, sometimes you have got to take the opposition on. I mean its alright to wear down the oppoisition with gritty cricket but the whole point is, so that you can take advantage of it later when they are tired.
 
big_gamer007 said:
Some of you people just don't get it Misbah was tiring the bowlers so that Sarfaraz can milk them later on.. He succeeded without Misbah playing the way he did pak would have folded out for 300
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He should have tired bowlers a bit more then it would have been fantastic. I think Misbah is retiring, but next aspiring batsman from Pakistan should target 2(102) to really tire bowlers and then allow others to cash in.
 
TalhaSyed said:
Yes - such torture....

z_c28-pakistan.jpg


I'm sure there is a large chunk of South Asian cricket fans who either have amnesia or some sort of selective memory loss.

Sure - yesterday was a very slow and dull day - there's no two ways about it. It was frustrating to watch & we would have been in a much stronger position if we had got to 376 by half way through or at latest tea time yesterday.

However, the way some Pakistani fans are bashing a captain who lead us from the 2010 Spot Fixing to No.1 on in the World, as he plays his last match for Pakistan is disgraceful. That too - not for losing a match or a series - simply for batting too slow for their liking.

If there any any 'Pakistani fans' who have lost interest in Test cricket because of "what they have witnessed under Misbah" - good riddance. We are better off without them.
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What noone is getting is, its not that Misbah is not playing. He is wearing the bowlers down so on the other end Sarfaraz or whoever can just play their shots and score runs. Its not Misbahs fault that the other players are playing slower than him..
 
Cricfan4eva said:
I agree with OP, sometimes you have got to take the opposition on. I mean its alright to wear down the oppoisition with gritty cricket but the whole point is, so that you can take advantage of it later when they are tired.
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If you can win by being boring I don't mind, but too often it is the opposite.
 
Buffet said:
He should have tired bowlers a bit more then it would have been fantastic. I think Misbah is retiring, but next aspiring batsman from Pakistan should target 2(102) to really tire bowlers and then allow others to cash in.
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Exactly I think Shehzad has that capability you should give him 5 years on stop run in the team..
 
1(50) they said.

Brainless captaincy they said.

Killed test cricket they said.

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Misbah tenure has captain in tests has given me some of the most entertaining times as a fan.
 
Lukewarm day 1, dull day 2, low-key day 3, gripping day 4, epic day 5.

Test cricket is an emotional roller-coster ride. It can be forgettable at times, especially on pitches like these, but it gives you moments that the other formats cannot.
 
Well, to be honest, game was ours to be taken, but we made a mess out of it with keeping wrong combinations of bowlers and dropping everything we could. But all that ends well is well.
 
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