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The Ashes: Australia reach 61/1 (124 behind) after bowling England out for 185 on Day 1 of 3rd Test

Ben stokes is making the same mistake again and again. You cannot defend your way out in Australia. Being aggressive is a much better option.
 
Finally Stokes is playing the way he should be playing. This is the single best way to upset Australia's rhythm. Trust me. Seen it over the years.
 
Green was wicketless on entire tour against India but England batsman are giving him some important wickets in every innings
 
Is Butler going to save another test with his blockathan? If he does that again he will go stokes way. Just do what you know best. What Gilchrist did, What Pant did. Field is up. Why is he scared of playing aggressively.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Is Butler going to save another test with his blockathan? If he does that again he will go stokes way. Just do what you know best. What Gilchrist did, What Pant did. Field is up. Why is he scared of playing aggressively.
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170 all out.. my prediction
 
This is nothing to lose scenario for England. Just go after the bowling. If you get lucky you could end up with a 100 partnership and in the process dent the confidence of their bowlers.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
This is nothing to lose scenario for England. Just go after the bowling. If you get lucky you could end up with a 100 partnership and in the process dent the confidence of their bowlers.
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I agree now, by tucking away they will get nowhere now.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Beat him in the flight
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Basically no approach is working. But for what it is worth they cannot handle the relentlessness of Australian bowlers with defensive approach. They might as well play some shots and try to put the pressure back on them.
 
Why can't Roy and Hales open for England? Surely they can't do worse.

Surprising that a world champion nation can't find 2 decent openers in the entire country. Same with Australia who are stuck with Marcus Harris.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Basically no approach is working. But for what it is worth they cannot handle the relentlessness of Australian bowlers with defensive approach. They might as well play some shots and try to put the pressure back on them.
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They should go back to home. There is no point in playing five tests when you keep losing the series by third test only.

Root scored fifties, Malan has few scores and rest have got nothing. What is Stokes doing, such an embarassing series with both bat and bowl. Rest don't seem to be even international test quality.
 
sam_ahm said:
Why can't Roy and Hales open for England? Surely they can't do worse.

Surprising that a world champion nation can't find 2 decent openers in the entire country. Same with Australia who are stuck with Marcus Harris.
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I have been saying for long time Roy has to be given a run here , he can average around 35 - 40 easily
 
England need to rethink there priority here , otherwise test performances will keep coming down
 
sam_ahm said:
Why can't Roy and Hales open for England? Surely they can't do worse.

Surprising that a world champion nation can't find 2 decent openers in the entire country. Same with Australia who are stuck with Marcus Harris.
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Selectors had pencilled Will Pucjovski into that other opening spot the last few years. Guy keeps getting hit in the head & out with concussion though, so they are scratching around for a plan B (Harris etc) now.
 
Devadwal said:
Green was wicketless on entire tour against India but England batsman are giving him some important wickets in every innings
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Green was not even bowling full quotas in Shield cricket (restricted bowling) for major recurring back issues before that India series, so was really not in the groove or confident to bowl.

The Green who is bowling 140k+ & swinging the ball but being "gifted" Test wickets is more like Green in full form. He's a serious bowler as a guy 6'8 who hits 140k should be.
 
Pitch is green. Not much difference between the pitch and ground. It is still green. Will England try to make something out of it?
 
2021 England - Root or Bust. Australian bowling is relentless. No breathing space. England has no answer.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
Pitch is green. Not much difference between the pitch and ground. It is still green. Will England try to make something out of it?
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Ball hasn't really done an awful lot today. Green pitch in Oz (most grounds) just gives the bowlers a chance. brown pitch = road.

Ball should do enough to keep the bowlers interested. But I doubt England can actually do anything about it. I see Australia 400+ in their future.

Then the pitch looks full of spice & up & down again when Oz bowl.
 
In the last 2 years, England got bowled out under 200 - 16 times. More than any other team. If they get shot out under 200 today it will be the 17th time. 10 times they have skittled opposition under 200. Meaning they collapse more than their opposition. 16-10 so far in the last 2 years. If this goes that way this will be 17-10.
 
Boxing Day tests used to be absolute borefests with flat pancakes served up during the 2015-2020 period.

Kudos to the curator for preparing such lively tracks in the last two years.
 
Warne reckons this is short of par by at least 90 runs at the moment. Australia are clearly just too good for England in home conditions, who realistically will need 2-3 wickets this evening to even stay in the Test match.
 
Mesozoic said:
Boxing Day tests used to be absolute borefests with flat pancakes served up during the 2015-2020 period.

Kudos to the curator for preparing such lively tracks in the last two years.
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You're right. It used to be a shame the best stadium in country had become the worst pitch.

They use drop in pitches in melbourne (due to sharing/overlapping with football) but a couple years ago they realised they had to make major change to the drop in procedure to produce better wickets.

It took them a couple of years to get it right, but now they have it much, much better. Some steps they took; no longer use a concrete base beneath the drop in pitch sections to support them- too flat;
deepen the soil base (e.g use soil for the inches they used to devote to the concrete base);
get a new soil/clay type, so stopped using the old pitches and just sourced entirely new pitches to grow;
leaving more grass on- they tend to have trouble getting drop in pitches to deteriorate the way regular pitches do over 5 days (they tend to just hold together), so leaving more grass on allows quicks a chance and also spinners to grab onto the thick grass as it dries.
 
Robinson shows a lot of determination. England needs change in leadership. These guys don't play as a unit and fight harder in adverse situations.
 
James said:
Warne reckons this is short of par by at least 90 runs at the moment. Australia are clearly just too good for England in home conditions, who realistically will need 2-3 wickets this evening to even stay in the Test match.
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90 runs short at least.

I don't think England have the bowlers to knock Oz over. But maybe Wood will change the balance more than I give him credit for.

Just a reasonably weak England team out of their depth away from home, with a very avg captain vs an improved Oz team (vs 2/3 years ago) riding high at home with a fresh captain.
 
Not worth waking up for again.

Sack Silverwood and clear out the test side.
 
There are certain nations starved of cricket let alone test cricket, argument given - "They are not competitive" . What Competitiveness this 5 match long series is giving us? And mind you it is between two of the so called "Big 3". The biggest of big guns.

This is why cricket will never grow as a global sport.
 
My pre-series prediction was 3-1 Aus, but I would now be looking to change that to 5-0 Aus, with a small chance of a consolation Eng win at either Sydney or Hobart to make it 4-1.
 
wrongun said:
90 runs short at least.

I don't think England have the bowlers to knock Oz over. But maybe Wood will change the balance more than I give him credit for.

Just a reasonably weak England team out of their depth away from home, with a very avg captain vs an improved Oz team (vs 2/3 years ago) riding high at home with a fresh captain.
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Agreed.

Wood never gets the new ball which infuriates me.
 
This pitch is a green mamba, don't write off England. Jimmy will enjoy this pitch.
 
Robert said:
Not worth waking up for again.

Sack Silverwood and clear out the test side.
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Yes pretty much.

Still— I have some nice leftovers from Christmas Day that I can start eating through for an unorthodox breakfast, so it’s not all bad.
 
sam_ahm said:
There are certain nations starved of cricket let alone test cricket, argument given - "They are not competitive" . What Competitiveness this 5 match long series is giving us? And mind you it is between two of the so called "Big 3". The biggest of big guns.

This is why cricket will never grow as a global sport.
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Whatever. There's nothing stopping NZ (or SA, or India) playing whoever they want over 5 matches. That's what the Ashes is. Enjoy it.
 
Robert said:
Agreed.

Wood never gets the new ball which infuriates me.
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Hmm, that old chestnut where because pace works with an older ball too, or because a bowler develops old ball skills they almost get punished for that by being denied a go with the new ball.
 
Australia not hanging around, there could easily be 80 on the board by stumps here.
 
Lack of intensity from England with the new ball again, too many singles being bled. The fielders are so lacklustre.
 
English posters may disagree but there are n players who can make any difference to this team. Sacking Silverwood wont make any difference.

Two years ago, the same criticisms were meted out to Bayliss. Bayliss' interview was very clear: The faults lie in county cricket. And he was right.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
English posters may disagree but there are n players who can make any difference to this team. Sacking Silverwood wont make any difference.

Two years ago, the same criticisms were meted out to Bayliss. Bayliss' interview was very clear: The faults lie in county cricket. And he was right.
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I disagree.

If England had invested in getting one of their wrist spinners ready for Test cricket - either Rashid or that other lad they have on tour- then they'd be much better placed.

Saj Mahmood might have been a useful addition of youth, pace and energy into this attack.

I have no idea if there are better openers out there. But they haven't picked their best keeper or team yet. Silverwood has overseen a mess with Root. One of them should go.
 
wrongun said:
Whatever. There's nothing stopping NZ (or SA, or India) playing whoever they want over 5 matches. That's what the Ashes is. Enjoy it.
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What Is to enjoy here ,Australia was always favorite but this is just a terrible performance by England without showing any fight so far, it's just Root or nothing for them in batting. Bowling is not great either
 
wrongun said:
I disagree.

If England had invested in getting one of their wrist spinners ready for Test cricket - either Rashid or that other lad they have on tour- then they'd be much better placed.

Saj Mahmood might have been a useful addition of youth, pace and energy into this attack.

I have no idea if there are better openers out there. But they haven't picked their best keeper or team yet. Silverwood has overseen a mess with Root. One of them should go.
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Visiting wrist spinners have terrible records in Australia atlest since I started watching . The ones who have done well have all been finger spinners - Ashwin/Jadeja on the last 2 tours, Saqi back in 1999/00. Rashid is not a test class wrist spinner anyway.

Agree about Saqib. But who would he replace. England want the control given by Jimmy and Ollie upfront. Not sure they would replace Wood with saqib
 
Cant help comparing to last year’s Boxing day test - that one changed the tide for India. This one is a boring snooze fest, with the series almost already decided. I was reluctant to say before, but truly the only team who can make a test series interesting these days is India.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Visiting wrist spinners have terrible records in Australia atlest since I started watching . The ones who have done well have all been finger spinners - Ashwin/Jadeja on the last 2 tours, Saqi back in 1999/00. Rashid is not a test class wrist spinner anyway.

Agree about Saqib. But who would he replace. England want the control given by Jimmy and Ollie upfront. Not sure they would replace Wood with saqib
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But surely Anderson & Broad have both played their last Ashes. They can easily graft Saqib in if they want to.
 
Devadwal said:
What Is to enjoy here ,Australia was always favorite but this is just a terrible performance by England without showing any fight so far, it's just Root or nothing for them in batting. Bowling is not great either
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England has been losing to every side in recent times. If we stop cancelling "boring" tours there won't be any test matches.
 
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