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The Babar Azam versus Virat Kohli comparison

Virat Kohli equals Babar Azam’s record with fifty in T20 World Cup final

Most fifty plus scores in men’s T20Is:

Babar Azam - 39 fifty-plus scores in 123 matches

Virat Kohli - 39 in 126 matches

Rohit Sharma - 37 in 159 matches

Mohammad Rizwan - 30 in 102 matches
 
Babar Azam and Muhammad Rizwan have broken the record for scoring useless runs against minnows at a snails pace and won 0 trophies for Pakistan.. You should be ashamed of even mentioning them with world class Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Virat Kohli equals Babar Azam’s record with fifty in T20 World Cup final

Most fifty plus scores in men’s T20Is:

Babar Azam - 39 fifty-plus scores in 123 matches

Virat Kohli - 39 in 126 matches

Rohit Sharma - 37 in 159 matches

Mohammad Rizwan - 30 in 102 matches
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Very unique way of putting the headline.
Let me give one:
Most 50s in T20 wc:

Virat 15 50s (35 innings) 128 SR
Rohit 12 (47 innings) 133 SR
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Babbar 5 (17 innings) 111 SR
 
Stop this comparison already. Babar Azam is a decent batsman but not a match-winner yet. He struggles to hit a straight six. Hence don't rate him as a batsman just yet.

It is indeed blasphemous to compare Babar Azam to Pakistani ODI legends like Javed Miandad, Zaheer Abbas, Saleem Malik, and Inzi. Those guys were match-winners
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Virat Kohli equals Babar Azam’s record with fifty in T20 World Cup final

Most fifty plus scores in men’s T20Is:

Babar Azam - 39 fifty-plus scores in 123 matches

Virat Kohli - 39 in 126 matches

Rohit Sharma - 37 in 159 matches

Mohammad Rizwan - 30 in 102 matches
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Cake cutting ceremony needs to be organized for Babar as his competitors have retired. His 40th T20 fifty must be celebrated with full gusto.
 
Babar has 39 T20I fifties.. with Rohit and Virat retiting he has no competition.
Will he reach the milestone of 50 T20I fifties by 2025?
 
I will take someone with zero fifties but who consistently plays impactful knocks and helps the team win many games from tight situations.

Suresh Raina was one such player, Umar Akmal had better stats than him at one point but Raina has come in tough tight situations many times from India and played many impactful knocks for India to help win games for his team.
 
His PR will have a field day with stats and numbers now that two of his competitions are out of the race. I mean they were not really playing many T20 games. Now they won't play at all.
 
As much as I hate Kohli there is no comparison, in fact our batsmen are still stuck in the 1990’s, nor do they have the willingness to be creative with there batting!
 
Chapter in T20Is is officially closed.

Kohli is better in T20Is. He won India the WT20 by playing a superb innings in the Final.

Babar failed to do so.
 
RidiculousMan said:
Chapter in T20Is is officially closed.

Kohli is better in T20Is. He won India the WT20 by playing a superb innings in the Final.

Babar failed to do so.
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I hope the fanclub can turn their backs on Babar now that they have seen their worst nightmare come true last night.

Kohli was and will always be levels above the best cricketer we can ever produce.
 
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RidiculousMan said:
Chapter in T20Is is officially closed.

Kohli is better in T20Is. He won India the WT20 by playing a superb innings in the Final.

Babar failed to do so.
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How's it officially closed when Babar is still playing and probably will get minimum 3 but mostly 4 more chances to win the trophy?

Weird thing to say.
 
AMSS said:
How's it officially closed when Babar is still playing and probably will get minimum 3 but mostly 4 more chances to win the trophy?

Weird thing to say.
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Babar needs to match his T20I stats with Kohli first and then win 2 WT20 Finals for his team to surpass Kohli.

So far in his 9 years career. He has done none of these. Do you seriously believe he will do all of this to surpass Kohli? Specially considering he's nearing 30.
 
Babar is at level of KL Rahul. Even Rohit is better
 
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If Kohli or Rohit or say any Indian batsmen play like Babar or Rizwan, they would have their names in record books but India wouldn't have been a dominant side now it is...Kohli can easily play like Babar which he shown in the finals but but Babar can't accelerate the way Kohli accelerated in final overs..Rohit earlier used to tuktuk at the beginning and accelerate later, but he completely asa a changed his game as per the latest demand.. Pakistan can only be happy with Babar records similar to Indians in 90s celebrating Sachins record with less achievement as a team..
 
Comparing Babar Azam and Virat Kohli is like a thread I saw many years back comparing Agarkar to Wasim Akram. You can manipulate numbers etc to troll but c’mon lol.
 
JaDed said:
Calling upon @Mamoon please be a good sport and congratulate Kohli and his fans on winning MOM in the final along with the only trophy he didn’t have.
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Mamoon won't reply until Babar reaches the age of 34. According to him, Babar will reach his peak at 34.
According to @Mobashir, Babar will surpass Kohli in all formats by 2027.
So, we need to wait until then. It's still a long time to go.

But according to @heddie19, Babar is the T20 GOAT and has already surpassed Kohli in the T20 format.
@Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH, Babar has already broken Kohli's records for the fastest 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 runs, so he has already surpassed Kohli.
 
Just saw Babars video of him exercising in some local park in Lahore. If those visuals are true, look at the tummy of Babar.
He was super fit back in 2021, even Virat's old fitness coach had praised his fitness back then.
He has really let himself and his talent down. Fitness is key in modern cricket.
 
Still remember how smartly Babar posted for Virat during his rough patch. He had different intentions to it. He thought he is the ruler of the world, he's some vivian richards or Bradman of past.

He wanted to show the world that he's superior and Kohli's not the same anymore. If he had literal cares for King Kohli then he would have atleast congratulated him on his T20I retirement.

All that in the past was a gimmick to take a dig at virat, make him feel that he's not the best anymore and grab the world's attention. Babar you can never be him, leave aside cricket you can never be him as a human being.

Bloody Cricket humbles you in different ways!!!
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
Just saw Babars video of him exercising in some local park in Lahore. If those visuals are true, look at the tummy of Babar.
He was super fit back in 2021, even Virat's old fitness coach had praised his fitness back then.
He has really let himself and his talent down. Fitness is key in modern cricket.
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I'm about to post that he looks out of shape with fat packs.
 
Babar is fairly fit, not ripped of course.

This happens when you eat high salt food, body retains water and the belly appears large. It goes back to normal after a short period of normal diet
 
Cover Drive Six said:
Mamoon won't reply until Babar reaches the age of 34. According to him, Babar will reach his peak at 34.
According to @Mobashir, Babar will surpass Kohli in all formats by 2027.
So, we need to wait until then. It's still a long time to go.

But according to @heddie19, Babar is the T20 GOAT and has already surpassed Kohli in the T20 format.
@Shoaib Akhtar 100 MPH, Babar has already broken Kohli's records for the fastest 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 runs, so he has already surpassed Kohli.
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Your misquoting me.

Yes I said Babar has already broken Kohli's records for the fastest 1000, 2000, 3000, and 4000 runs because that is factual.

I didn't say anything about surpassing or not as we can only judge that when Babar is retired.

That is a fair assessment.
 
Usman Chadda said:
I hope the fanclub can turn their backs on Babar now that they have seen their worst nightmare come true last night.

Kohli was and will always be levels above the best cricketer we can ever produce.
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This much I can guarantee you, that in a few years if not sooner, the fan club will be using these same stats (such as 50s scored) to ‘prove’ that Babar was a better T20 batsman than Kohli.

It’s going to happen. Heck I double guarantee it :)

Because cricket is a game where often people who haven’t actually seen the players play and who don’t actually understand the sport can become very good at using stats to confidently make ridiculous inferences.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
In all seriousness, Babar across formats can be rated thus.

T20's

Slightly better than Pathum Nissanka

ODI's

Slightly better than Bavuma

Tests

Slightly better than Ravindra Jadeja as a batter
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Babar's problem arose as soon as Misbah in 2020 gave him full control.

Before this he genuinely did his best to improve and proper cricket fans felt that he was improving and would eventually become a prime Steve smith level player for pakistan.

In 2016 during his first game against Zimbabwe he had an Umar akmal like stance, he was shaky and dodgy at the crease and had the Ahmed shehzad problem, flashy strokes but lack of single rotation.

From 2017 to 2019 he greatly improved, His stance became solid and straight, he developed that backfoot guide to 3rd fine for pacers to get those easy singles, his timing improved.

All that was left to develop lofted strokes and Improve spin and loyal fans felt that since Babar listened to improving his strike rotation, he'd listen to this.

But after misbah he started making comments such as

" I'm a t20 amchorer"

And made it clear he has no interest in improving anything let alone his sr. Ontop of which he belly has inflated into a balloon.

Kohli at one point saw something in Babar and made comments way back in 2019 about him.

If kohli said it then it clearly means Babar had the potential makings of an ATG.

Sigh, Thank you Misbah for your services to pakistan cricket and thank you Babar for proving that your Akmal drama bazi Genes are very strong.
 
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I do not understand this comparison between Babar and Kohli.

Babar can double his T20i stats now that Kohli has retired from the format, but stats don't mean a thing unless you got ICC silverware to show for it.

Kohli has ODI WC11, CT13, T20 WC24. The ICC triple. He could have had 2 of each ICC trophy had India not lost the finals (2 x WTC, 1 x T20 WC14, and 1 x ODI WC23).

What does Babar have? A CT17 medal, and a runners up WC22 medal?
 
Mobashir said:
So in a discussion from another thread where a poster think that Virat is above Babar over the past few years.

So lets compare them over the past 2 years.

Tests :

Virat Kohli :
14 matches, 22 innings
average 43.85
hundreds/fifties : 2/5

Babar Azam :
10 matches, 17 innings
average 66.57
hundreds/fifties : 4/5


ODI's :
Virat Kohli :
innings 26
average 56.25
SR : 94.91
hundreds/fifties : 2/13

Babar Azam :
innings 19
average 71.12
SR : 96.14
hundreds/fifties : 5/6


T20's :
Virat Kohli :
innings 22
average 59.73
SR : 143
hundreds/fifties : 0/8

Babar Azam :
innings 16
average 39.14
SR : 136
hundreds/fifties : 0/7



So how is it even comparable? Over the past 2 years Babar is in a different league when compared to Virat Kohli and there is no shame to have for Kohli and indian fans.
Babar is in a terrefic form, the form of his life.

Test average difference of 23, ODI average difference of 16, 2 times more hundreds.
Everything is in Babar's favor.

There is really no other way to look at it apart if you are a hater.
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@Mobashir you have been let down massively by Babar. Babar was becoming great in 2021.. and then he just dropped off the cliff. His fitness is so poor. Whereas Kohli has achieved so much more even in last stage of his career. What are your thoughts now ?
 
I can't believe these babar fans are still trying to convince people that Babar is better than Kohli.
 
aukhan said:
I can't believe these babar fans are still trying to convince people that Babar is better than Kohli.
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It's funny how an end of the rope kohli who faiked an entire tournament before the final is still Miles > Babar and rizwan who are supposedly in the prime of their career
 
oatmeal said:
Babar is fairly fit, not ripped of course.

This happens when you eat high salt food, body retains water and the belly appears large. It goes back to normal after a short period of normal diet
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LOL no, Babar is far from fit.
He is skinny with a tummy, now that is a pathetic combo for an athlete.
 
mominsaigol said:
It's funny how an end of the rope kohli who faiked an entire tournament before the final is still Miles > Babar and rizwan who are supposedly in
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Kohli in his prime was the best batsman i have ever seen play. He used to demolish bowlers for fun. Our overrated magicians, 7 foot Burj khalifays, boom boom phast bowlers were getting thrashed single-handedly by the real king in every ICC tournament we played in the last 13 years. His dominance was something else. Its a joke that a mid-level batter like Babar is still being compared to Kohli. People on social media call them 'lockdown fans' for a reason.
 
pakistani pride said:
LOL no, Babar is far from fit.
He is skinny with a tummy, now that is a pathetic combo for an athlete.
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By fit I mean by normal person standards (not having a big belly). Babar's not fit by sportperson standards but he's fairly lean with a small tummy that appears bigger due to water retention after eating high salt foods

Needs to cut down on high fat high salt diets and work out regularly and he can get rid of the paunch very quickly. An athlete needs to maintain diet and workout discipline through the year.
 
Unbiased-Fan said:
Still remember how smartly Babar posted for Virat during his rough patch. He had different intentions to it. He thought he is the ruler of the world, he's some vivian richards or Bradman of past.

He wanted to show the world that he's superior and Kohli's not the same anymore. If he had literal cares for King Kohli then he would have atleast congratulated him on his T20I retirement.

All that in the past was a gimmick to take a dig at virat, make him feel that he's not the best anymore and grab the world's attention. Babar you can never be him, leave aside cricket you can never be him as a human being.

Bloody Cricket humbles you in different ways!!!
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Go easy on him, he doesn't have the skills to operate his own social media.
 
This Kohli and fitness talk needs to take a pause. Cricket is a forgiving sport when it comes to fitness especially for batsmen. Yes, Babar could do better but I do not think it's his fitness that's holding him back. His lack of fitness (and performances) are probably due to some deeper underlying reasons.

Also, back in 2014 I too was impressed with Kohli getting ripped etc. I started lifting in 2015 and man it makes me laugh when folks talk about Virat being a strength/fitness icon when he can barely deadlift 140 kg - that's my warm up set.
 
AMSS said:
This Kohli and fitness talk needs to take a pause. Cricket is a forgiving sport when it comes to fitness especially for batsmen. Yes, Babar could do better but I do not think it's his fitness that's holding him back. His lack of fitness (and performances) are probably due to some deeper underlying reasons.

Also, back in 2014 I too was impressed with Kohli getting ripped etc. I started lifting in 2015 and man it makes me laugh when folks talk about Virat being a strength/fitness icon when he can barely deadlift 140 kg - that's my warm up set.
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Deadlifting 145 kg produces little benefit other than giving you an false ego boost. I doubt even a Novak Djokovic or Cristiano Ronaldo does such things

Kohli's fitness regime is primarily geared towards ensuring he is super quick on the field & between the wickets - which he undoubtedly is even at the age of 36 !
 
oatmeal said:
By fit I mean by normal person standards (not having a big belly). Babar's not fit by sportperson standards but he's fairly lean with a small tummy that appears bigger due to water retention after eating high salt foods

Needs to cut down on high fat high salt diets and work out regularly and he can get rid of the paunch very quickly. An athlete needs to maintain diet and workout discipline through the year.
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Problem with Babar is he lacks the natural timing to be a big hitter like Rohit Sharma or KL Rahul. And his lack of physical strength means he can never be power hitter like Shivam Dube or Rinku Singh

So the only way out is go to the gym & develope some big biceps to become a power hitter - like Virat Kohli did. His skinny physique & lack of timing means he struggles to hit 6s & 4s easily. That hampers his scoring in T20s & ODIs
 
AMSS said:
This Kohli and fitness talk needs to take a pause. Cricket is a forgiving sport when it comes to fitness especially for batsmen. Yes, Babar could do better but I do not think it's his fitness that's holding him back. His lack of fitness (and performances) are probably due to some deeper underlying reasons.

Also, back in 2014 I too was impressed with Kohli getting ripped etc. I started lifting in 2015 and man it makes me laugh when folks talk about Virat being a strength/fitness icon when he can barely deadlift 140 kg - that's my warm up set.
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Kohli's fitness is directly connected to his growth as a player.

It has allowed him to play longer innings, maintain better balance at the crease, and just be a better batsman.

Kohli trains for cricket so strength is likely not his primary goal. For example, a marathon runner will train a lot but he might not deadlift 200kg. That muscle development will likely hinder him while running. However, The same marathon runner will run circles around everyone on the track. Kohli trains for the sport and is indeed one of the fittest in the business.

Babar's issue is a combination of things including fitness but more to do with the lack of development as a batsman. His power game hasn't developed and that restricts him big time. Some might think he needs to lift heavier to get stronger, but his issue is more shot selection and timing. He is just not as competent when hitting lofted shots.

His reduced fitness might start hurting his traditional game though. He relies on playing the slow game and "anchoring" but you need to be fit and have endurance to do that in the heat.
 
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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Hopefully kohli also tweets the same thing
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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Yup... the most sly thing done by the agency of Babar... doubt Babar even knows or understabds till day about what was posted.
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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I don't know if it was as sneaky as you suggest, but he need not have made it a public tweet. If his intention was solely to send good wishes, he could have done it privately. Surely, a player of Babar's stature should have no problem obtaining Virat's personal number.

That would have meant more to a proud egoistic man like Virat. Sachin has often talked of Viv calling him privately when he was down and telling him not give up. That was before his second coming when he broke the WR etc.

So yeah, Babar messed up. He was flying high and he probably told his twitter team to send a message praising Virat with the intention of possibly endearing himself to Virat fans which is a massive number to have on your side. The clown on his team chose the wrong phrase that instead made Babar look like he was patronizing the real King :dhoni
 
AMSS said:
This Kohli and fitness talk needs to take a pause. Cricket is a forgiving sport when it comes to fitness especially for batsmen. Yes, Babar could do better but I do not think it's his fitness that's holding him back. His lack of fitness (and performances) are probably due to some deeper underlying reasons.

Also, back in 2014 I too was impressed with Kohli getting ripped etc. I started lifting in 2015 and man it makes me laugh when folks talk about Virat being a strength/fitness icon when he can barely deadlift 140 kg - that's my warm up set.
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You have an amazingly wrong notion about fitness in a sport like cricket. Kohli can bat a whole 90 overs and can still run a quick triple in the last ball of the day. It's not about building bulky muscles (that can actually be counter productive), but about keeping the balance l and with higher focus on stamina and endurance.

This stamina is why Kohli has managed to be an ATG in ODIs as he would be running all those singles and doubles throughout the innings and keep te scoreboard ticking, while helping him to score 50s and 100s like clockwork without breaking a sweat. In test matches too he used to demonstrate this till Covid.
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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If Babar had tweeted that with good intent, he would have also wished him on his retirement and on winning Player of the Match in the final, just like Shaheen Shah Afridi did.
Also, Babar congratulated Aus last year when India lost the final but No congrats for india on winning now.
 
Raja111 said:
If Babar had tweeted that with good intent, he would have also wished him on his retirement and on winning Player of the Match in the final, just like Shaheen Shah Afridi did.
Also, Babar congratulated Aus last year when India lost the final but No congrats for india on winning now.
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Interesting points. Makes me rethink the intent of his famous tweet.
 
Babar is not the same captain as kohli was. Babar had a bunch on individuals who were in the team because of dosti yari, neoptism and politics while Kohli had a team on merit and they were talented and the bunch of guys on bench were equally good. Who do babar have??? AZAM khan?? IFTIKHAR???
 
Raja111 said:
If Babar had tweeted that with good intent, he would have also wished him on his retirement and on winning Player of the Match in the final, just like Shaheen Shah Afridi did.
Also, Babar congratulated Aus last year when India lost the final but No congrats for india on winning now.
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Yeah I forgot to mention this point in my post. Clear indication of his intentions when he sent out that tweet.

This is what happens when millions of delusional fan desperately try to manufacture a "king" out of a player who is closer to Rahane level than to Kohli's.
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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The fact that Babar hasn't posted a single congratulatory msg to either India or Kohli seems to support your theory.

That's just gutter behavior from Babar (and his agency ,- but he has to take responsibility).
 
Babar Azam remains a very good ODI and Test batter.

In T20s, sorry their game does not fit in a strong T20 team.

They can remain as lynchpins playing their safe game style in weak batting sides like SL/Afghanistan/Zimbabwe or other associate members but will not get into an Aus/Ind/Eng/SA playing XI.
 
Mesozoic said:
Yeah I forgot to mention this point in my post. Clear indication of his intentions when he sent out that tweet.

This is what happens when millions of delusional fan desperately try to manufacture a "king" out of a player who is closer to Rahane level than to Kohli's.
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Rahane would take serious offense to this 😩🤦‍♂️🤬
 
uppercut said:
Rahane would take serious offense to this 😩🤦‍♂️🤬
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So true, Rahane has match winning (and series winning in case of Aus) hundreds I'm England and Australia - two of the toughest places.

Whereas Babar'a highest score in a winning effort remains a solitary 68 in England.
 
Sir Alex said:
So true, Rahane has match winning (and series winning in case of Aus) hundreds I'm England and Australia - two of the toughest places.

Whereas Babar'a highest score in a winning effort remains a solitary 68 in England.
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Match winning hundreds at the MCG and Lords which makes it even more special
 
Statpadder Inc said:
Match winning hundreds at the MCG and Lords which makes it even more special
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That MCG one ranks up there with the best made by any visitor in Australia - for the sheer context , background and difficulty. India coming off a 36 all out humiliation, Kohli having gone back and Rahane as a stand in skipper abd then this happens. What a story !
 
RedwoodOriginal said:
Comparisons aside, it surprises me how some people here have the gall to call Babar 'mediocre' or mentally weak. Its just such an intellectually dishonest thing when you fashion yourself as an avid watcher of cricket.
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He has turned out to be the most timid and mentally weak top order batter. Totally bottled in crunch situations against top teams in Asia Cup, World Cup and T20 World Cup. lets see if he can make a comeback.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
He has turned out to be the most timid and mentally weak top order batter. Totally bottled in crunch situations against top teams in Asia Cup, World Cup and T20 World Cup. lets see if he can make a comeback.
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I don't get what posters like yourself gain by quoting years old posts. What I said at that time was reflective of that I saw at that time. And at that time Babar had delivered in a number of big matches and situations. Things have changed in the last year but that doesn't mean he can't come back.
 
I strongly feel that comparison with Kohli was worst thing that happened to Babar. He also believed his hype and it ruined him. Babar is a touch player like Labuchagne, Amla, Rahane and T20 is not his strongest suit and it's totally fine. Not everyone has to be a 3 format player. It would have done wonders for him and Pak cricket, if he had admitted to this rather than unleashing "King Babar" PR campaign.
 
hoshiarpurexpress said:
He has turned out to be the most timid and mentally weak top order batter. Totally bottled in crunch situations against top teams in Asia Cup, World Cup and T20 World Cup. lets see if he can make a comeback.
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@RedwoodOriginal made that comment back in 2021 bro.

In 2021 everyone including me thought that Babar was class and would be the next big thing. 2022 to 2024 is where things changed
 
Mesozoic said:
Again..

All that has happened in the last 2-3 years takes me back to that one tweet made by Babar Azam back in mid-2022 when Kohli was going through a horrid phase and Babar, the batter was on a steady rise.

"This too shall pass.. stay strong".


Call me whatever you want...But no one can ever convince me that tweet was made in good conscience by any stretch of imagination. Babar knew exactly what he/his handler was doing and what they were aiming for at that time. That was one of the sneakiest, lamest and the most conniving attempt at diminishing Kohli and establishing Babar Azam as the new chief and to make the world actually believe it...all the while making him seem holier than thou. And BOY OH BOY did that proverbial fecal balloon blew back in Babar's face or what..

2 Years have passed by since then..

Virat Kohli has now retired a World Champion being MOTM in the final, Player of the tournament in the other format's WC, won Asia cup ...whilst battering Pakistan 2-3 times on his way and completed LOI cricket.

Meanwhile..

Babar Azam is buried in depths of despair leading his team to multiple tournament humiliations , multiple defeats to rank minnows in all formats to go with his own 'worse than mediocre' batting performances. And naughty boy is also on the verge of getting sacked from captaincy for the second time in 8 months...tsk tsk.

Karma/fate is just *chef's kiss*... it devours everyone that tries to duck it. Hope Bobby boy realises atleast now where it all went wrong..
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If Pakistan want to win, they need to do this. Drop babar. Believe me, he is their kl Rahul. He is the curse. Kl Rahul played for India since 2014. Every tournament he played in India finished second or 3rd. Moment he stepped away, lo and behold India win the WC.

Babar needs to go if Pakistan want to be a consistent side capable of reaching semis / finals
 
BouncerGuy said:
Babar is not the same captain as kohli was. Babar had a bunch on individuals who were in the team because of dosti yari, neoptism and politics while Kohli had a team on merit and they were talented and the bunch of guys on bench were equally good. Who do babar have??? AZAM khan?? IFTIKHAR???
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Kohli picked a lot of quota friends nepo based selections.

In 2019 he had dhoni playing and he was well past his expiry date.

Chahal for rcb quota
Jhadav who was rubbish for no reason and the biggest blunder dk. Dropped shami for the semi final. Kept bhuvi who sucks. Yadav is better than bhuvi in odi
 
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