Quinton and Buttler are nowhere near Pant in tests, in other formats both of them are way ahead
In test I agree, Was referring to all formats but yes for test specifically neither of those 2 are near Pant.
Well I do agree that DeKock and Buttler are in a different galaxy in limited overs.
No wasn't talking about that. Was referring to the allrounder claim, Gazza was referring to Rizwan as a very succeaful allrounder.
@jeeteshssaxena as for Pant vs Quinton and Butler, Obviously Pant is far superior to those 2 in test? No one denies that. He's been gun for india in that format.
Yeah, this Wicketkeeper being allrounder nonsense was started with Dhoni, dont agree with it at all.
Indian top order reputation is influced by India having a great batting line up in past. I don't think curent batting line up is great one. Often I see Pant, Jadeja, Ashwin etc bailing Indians out.
Taking a handful of innings where he saved India doesn't magically make the innings where he failed go away. ...won't change a damn thing because Rizwan is the best wicket-keeper bat going around these days.
Pant chalks up more 50+ scores per test than Rizwan while scoring them 1) quicker, 2) against stronger attack, 3) in tougher conditions and 4) being more impactful. If Pant has scored only a handful then how many has Rizwan scored? Pant has 16 50+ scores in 56 innings compared to Rizwan's 13 in 52 innings. How has Pant only scored a handful but Rizwan (the impactless statpadder) is the best WKeeper bat? LMAO
Umm...okay. But Rizwan is better and more complete cricketer.Pant chalks up more 50+ scores per test than Rizwan while scoring them 1) quicker, 2) against stronger attack, 3) in tougher conditions and 4) being more impactful. If Pant has scored only a handful then how many has Rizwan scored? Pant has 16 50+ scores in 56 innings compared to Rizwan's 13 in 52 innings. How has Pant only scored a handful but Rizwan (the impactless statpadder) is the best WKeeper bat? LMAO
Pant already has as many GOAT knocks at 27 years of age while missing out on two years due to injury that not a single WKeeper bar Gilchrist has played. At least 3 of Pant's knock will feature among the top 10 knocks played in last 10 years. How many of Rizwan's will?
Same vibes as ''inzamam is the bhest player of pace'' while averaging in low 20s against best pace attack of his time.
Well I don't remember saying that but considering how you love grouping different people as one I'm not surprised you would say something as ignorant.Same vibes as ''inzamam is the bhest player of pace'' while averaging in low 20s against best pace attack of his time.
I wasn't the one losing my marbles over someone's opinion yesterday. What surprises me about your reaction is that I never even said that Pant isn't great. I just said Rizwan that is better.
Same Inglis who averages 22 across 21 one day matches? People throw around the word ''world-class'' too sparingly these days. Its starting to lose meaning. Inglis isn't even the No. 1 wicket-keeper bat in Australia.
You mean the stats that suit your narrative? I said for the outset that Rizwan does not have the benefit of playing for a good team which is what automatically puts him on a different plane and why his runs mean more.Sure buddy. I'll be here to ''lose my marbles'' the next time you peddle an opinion divorced from facts.
It’s not my fault you guys don’t understand the quality of cricketers
If you think he's a quality player, say he's a quality player. World-class is a tag you can only give to a select. Not everyone can be 'world-class', especially not a 29 year old wicket-keeper who is yet to establish himself for his country in any format.
Josh Inglis is world class. High quality white ball batter
The fact that you think Josh Inglis is 'world-class' and Rizwan is the spawn of satan says more about the amount of cricket you watch then me lol.
Pant was great and certainly ended up playing a critical role in that series but it was the collective efforts of the team that won that series. You could argue alot of things. I could argue that without Rahane playing that series turning knock in the 2nd test, India would never even have gotten to the point of being in a position to win that series.Lmao, India wouldn't be a good team and would have lost the series in AUS (both Sydney and Brisbane), at home to ENG and in ENG *IF* not for Pant's game changing knocks. Pant IS the reason India competed or won.
Rizwan is not good enough to do what Pant does.
Yes, Rizwan averages less than 1 run higher having played only 10 out of 32 tests in SENA while Pant has played 21 out of his 33 tests in SENA. Also no matches against mighty Zimbabwe for Pant unlike Rizwan.
What an achievement to average 44.xx as opposed to Pant's lowly 43.xx
All format brand
I'm sure his average looks great after this knock. He's a fantastic player! Just not as good as Rizwan.I didn't want to opportunistically bump this thread today but here we are.
We get to see what Pant can do (after a 2 year break) when he plays in home conditions (far from benign) with his team comfortably placed.
BTW, @RedwoodOriginal how about that average now? You were pumped up about that fractionally high average
Pant is not care about milestone or average .I didn't want to opportunistically bump this thread today but here we are.
We get to see what Pant can do (after a 2 year break) when he plays in home conditions (far from benign) with his team comfortably placed.
BTW, @RedwoodOriginal how about that average now? You were pumped up about that fractionally high average
You should argue…
Dhoni was a beast odi batter in asia though? You cant take that away from him.
Dhoni was never a good Test batsman.
Pakistani batsmen are by default more talented and better match winners than Indian batsmen.
Today DK, Harsha, Tamim were discussing about Rizwan's acting skills for 10 minutes in the commentary lol
@ChennaiFan - You're laughing at my post? Remember , I mean Inzamam was always more talented and a better match winner than Tendulkar?
when was he behind?Pant is clearly ahead now.
Pant is clearly ahead now.
Good on you for finally admitting it
The only people who 'expose' their agendas are the ones who partake in constant Dhoni bashing.
He has mastered the art of balancing his bat on the stumps and then walking to the middle to do his two hand wakanda celebration
@Hitman I was not laughing to mock or sarcastically. I liked the way you said it. It is true about some posters here or ex Pakistani players including Imran.
Will take his continued excellence in the premier version of the game any time.
And all the great glory that 152/0 brought to pak cricket. Hope rizbar continue to rule pak cricket
I was being sarcastic with you. I fully knew your intentions
I guess he is the type of player who ll avg less at home because Australian pitches suit him more. I might be wrong but i see him doing well in sena as compared to india
