The battle of the keepers, Rishabh Pant versus Mohammad Rizwan

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

In T20Is, Rizwan is much better.

 

[Hextro]

In T20Is, Rizwan is much better.

That's not even a question anymore. Riz is the best T20 keeper-batsman in the world right now.

 

[Ab Fan]

In this tournament, Deepak Hooda should play at Pant 's position(no.4 or 5) and use DK/Axar at 7.

One of KL or Pant can open and the other sits out.

After this, we have Aus and SA touring and then a T20 World Cup in Australia so will need to re assess it again as Hooda with that technique won't be effective there and both KL and Pant are simply very good vs pace and bounce.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

That's not even a question anymore. Riz is the best T20 keeper-batsman in the world right now.

You are saying this on the basis of performances, don't you? Are you taking into account the 'potential' factor? Who has more potential? This is what matters for some of our experts here. Playing 50+ matches is not a good indicator for them.

 

[Hextro]

You are saying this on the basis of performances, don't you? Are you taking into account the 'potential' factor? Who has more potential? This is what matters for some of our experts here. Playing 50+ matches is not a good indicator for them.

I forgot about the potential and gut feeling factor. Thanks for reminding me. Pant >>> Rizwan in T20s.

 

[Slim]

I see it this way - Pakistan as a team cannot afford Pant - as hes a luxury in an already non-existent top order. Due to Pant's aggressive nature, if he also fails then the team is in complete doldrums. Not to mention that the team cannot afford a tubby keeper who is missing chances every match. Hence, the reason why i am against Azam's selection as well until he gets fit.

India on the other hand has an overall better top order, and can risk playing a player that is aggressive. They still cannot afford dropped chances though and is hit and miss which is why in recent past Pant was dropped for Saha but their elasticity in terms of taking a risky player onboard is much more than Pakistan.

Rizwan works for Pakistan - hes reliable.

Rizwan and Pant are both future ATGs. Rizwan is however a better player overall than Pant.

Rizwan is just proving this right every time and tbh the gap between Rizwan and Pant is steadily increasing in LOIs at least.

 

[IAJ]

Pant is a naturally aggressive player and he will play same in all formats, hence he will have a SR around 120 mostly. In Test cricket that is just too good and in ODIs that is amazing. But in T20s that is only okish, so India should look to DK or SS in T20Is.

 

[pillionrider]

lol Pant plays test cricket at the pace Rizwan plays T20s. In T20s, Pant is too frenetic.

Let's just say - if Pant played 16 overs like Rizwan did the Asia Cup final, he'd have won India the game in 11 overs. That sounds like something Waqar bhai woulda said, but you get the point

 

[Ab Fan]

One of the biggest stats padder in the history of T20 cricket.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

He is winning matches for Pakistan with consistency but some noobs still love to call him a stat padder. Anyone who performs better than Pant these days becomes a stat padder for them whether its Rizwan or Samson.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

lol Pant plays test cricket at the pace Rizwan plays T20s. In T20s, Pant is too frenetic.

Let's just say - if Pant played 16 overs like Rizwan did the Asia Cup final, he'd have won India the game in 11 overs. That sounds like something Waqar bhai woulda said, but you get the point

But he doesn't/can't that is why Rizwan is better at the moment.

 

[Rana]

Dinesh Kartik is better than both

 

[Ashmal]

One of the biggest stats padder in the history of T20 cricket.

Well atm Pant's not even good enough to stat-pad in T20s

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Dinesh Kartik is better than both

Yeah. As a finisher he is doing his job pretty well.

 

[Ab Fan]

Well atm Pant's not even good enough to stat-pad in T20s

Some players don't believe in stats padding. They find a better way to play their game and win them for their team.

 

[GreenBee]

Let's stop comparing a Test cricket legend(in making) to some T20 circus performers. Kartik or Rizwan are nowhere near Pant.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Some players don't believe in stats padding. They find a better way to play their game and win them for their team.

Here is a fun fact for you. Rishabh Pant's top 3 inning in T20Is have come against West Indies and he has played 62 matches so far. He has scored 3 fifties and all 3 of them have come against West Indies. Next time think before you call Rizwan a stat padder. There are guys here who can back their talk with stats.

 

[Ashmal]

Some players don't believe in stats padding. They find a better way to play their game and win them for their team.

Well atm....he needs to find a way to actually play the game first.

Getting outperformed by a 38 yo veteran....doesn't really inspire much confidence

 

[Mesozoic]

Pant is comfortably better in Tests and ODIs, where both of them play in similar batting positions and have roughly the same role.

In T20is, Rizwan is much better but it's futile to compare as he plays as a consolidating opener while the other usually as a middle order enforcer. Completely different roles.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Well atm....he needs to find a way to actually play the game first.

Getting outperformed by a 38 yo veteran....doesn't really inspire much confidence

DK outperformed all the finishers from foreign land in the IPL. Highest strike rate.

Dinesh Karthik in 20th over in this IPL 2022:-

•Runs - 71
•Balls - 23
•Average - ♾
•Strike Rate - 308.6

 

[Ashmal]

DK outperformed all the finishers from foreign land in the IPL. Highest strike rate.

Dinesh Karthik in 20th over in this IPL 2022:-

•Runs - 71
•Balls - 23
•Average - ♾
•Strike Rate - 308.6

Yeah...Karthik has performed pretty well in the T20Is as well....so credit to him for that for doing it at his age.

I think Pant will eventually come good as well in T20Is.

But his fans need to wait until then before hyping him up and mocking others.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

As of now Pant is ahead in Tests and Odis, the two most important formats.

In t20s , Pant's ascent will start with this t20 world cup.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rizwan is just proving this right every time and tbh the gap between Rizwan and Pant is steadily increasing in LOIs at least.

How's that happening?
Pant averages 50 in the last two years in odis, Rizwan has been a total failure in LOIs.

Rizwan is ahead in t20s but so is Pant in ODI's.

 

[Ab Fan]

Well atm....he needs to find a way to actually play the game first.

Getting outperformed by a 38 yo veteran....doesn't really inspire much confidence

In the two main formats, he completely leaves Rizwan in dust. Only in T20s, Rizwan is better and thanks to the fact that he has got the easiest seat in the house which is of opener where he can score a 40 ball 50 and then decide to accelerate.

 

[ezhil]

I am fan of both keepers...but rizwan level of consistency, is not in pant's loi fate ..but sure there will be match winning innings forthcoming in all formats

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Opening is the easiest seat in the house? May be that is why they want Pant to open the inning but he didn't do anything special when he opened the inning in some games as well. Some fans...

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

As of now Pant is ahead in Tests and Odis, the two most important formats.

In t20s , Pant's ascent will start with this t20 world cup.

Here comes the 'jyotshi jeetesh' with yet another prediction. What is your playing XI for WC?

 

[Ashmal]

del

 

[shamaan]

Some players don't believe in stats padding. They find a better way to play their game and win them for their team.

Yes like Pant.

 

[shamaan]

In the two main formats, he completely leaves Rizwan in dust. Only in T20s, Rizwan is better and thanks to the fact that he has got the easiest seat in the house which is of opener where he can score a 40 ball 50 and then decide to accelerate.

Does he also leave Rizwan in dust in keeping aswell?

 

[shamaan]

Rizwan is twice the keeper Pant is.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Rizwan played a match winning inning for Pakistan in the high pressure semi final against full strength New Zealand.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rizwan is now struggling for form in all formats of the game.

In tests he has done nothing in two home series against Eng and Aus.

In t20 world cup he failed spectacularly.

Im Odis he averages in 20s.

Comparison with Pant -

Tests
Pant avg - 44 str rate 73
Rizwan avg - 39 str rate 50

Odis
Pant avg - 35 str rate 107
Rizwan avg - 29 str rate 87

T20s
Pant avg 23 str rate 127
Rizwan avg 48 str rate 126

So basically Rizwan is ahead in t20s only where he is a statpadder, apart from it Pant is way ahead.

 

[Rana]

Was never a contest really

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

So Rizwan is a stat padder and out of form in all formats but Pant is breathing fire in all formats these days? Some fans...

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Rishabh Pant is the best wicketkeeper batsman in the world just like how Babar is the best batsman in the world.

 

[Mamoon]

Pant is on his way to attaining legendary status like Gilchrist & Dhoni.

Rizwan is a BJ Watling level WK batsman. No one will remember his name 10 years from now.

 

[Mamoon]

Pant, Buttler, Bairstow & de Kock. All these guys are comfortably better than Rizwan.

 

[Rajdeep]

Pant is on his way to attaining legendary status like Gilchrist & Dhoni.

Rizwan is a BJ Watling level WK batsman. No one will remember his name 10 years from now.

Rishab Pant's batting has regressed though due to his dreadful fitness. Would you not agree?

 

[Rana]

Pant, Buttler, Bairstow & de Kock. All these guys are comfortably better than Rizwan.

Gurbaz in T20s too

 

[Boxer]

Long Pants in longer format. Short Pants in shorter format. Gilee pant all the way.

 

[Saurav]

Rishab Pant's batting has regressed though due to his dreadful fitness. Would you not agree?

his last Test he scored ton. Was always poor in T20s and remedy there is to make him open

 

[Concerned]

Not sure how Pant is destined for greatness when he can not even make the team?

 

[Mamoon]

Not sure how Pant is destined for greatness when he can not even make the team?

He is first choice in Tests & he is already the best WK batsman India/Pakistan has produced in the format. No other keeper in history comes close to the type of knocks he has produced especially in Australia, England & South Africa.

India don’t seem to know what to do with him in Limited Overs, but I think they will open with him soon & he will fulfill his destiny of being Gilchrist’s heir.

 

[Mamoon]

Rishab Pant's batting has regressed though due to his dreadful fitness. Would you not agree?

I don’t think so. He is not a selfish player like certain keepers & plays high risk cricket, so it will not always pay off.

 

[PakPremi]

Neither of the two players have fulfilled earlier promise, Pant is ahead in Tests and Rizwan in white ball. Any claim of Pant ever attaining Gilchrist level is absurd and a teenager fan boy dream.

 

[Mamoon]

Neither of the two players have fulfilled earlier promise, Pant is ahead in Tests and Rizwan in white ball. Any claim of Pant ever attaining Gilchrist level is absurd and a teenager fan boy dream.

Please support your assertion in the context of Text cricket.

 

[PakPremi]

Test Batting alone Pant averages 43, Gilchrist 47, and Pant does not look to be improving, so I think his average will drop to 40, which is still decent as I said he is so far better Test batsman than Rizwan. Keeping wise both Gilchrist and Rizwan are better.

 

[Amjid Javed]

Rizwan has fallen under same syndrome as Akmal and Sarfaraz before him, hes had a few good knocks and become complacent, team think tank then start to think these keeper batsmen are good enough to bat inside top as proper batsmen which they can, its just deja vu with keepers in pakistan, rizwans going same route as Akmal/sarfaraz, purple patch is over.

 

[BreadPakoda]

Pant does not look to be improving, so I think his average will drop to 40

On the basis of?

Wait. Let me guess. His batting average of 67 in 2022?

Or the fact that he made 200+ runs in his last test?

 

[Mobashir]

Rizwan is out of form in all formats.

Pant isn't even playing ODI's and T20's regularly and nearly always flops when he does play them.

So good luck to both set of fans.

 

[Rana]

Rizwan is out of form in all formats.

Pant isn't even playing ODI's and T20's regularly and nearly always flops when he does play them.

So good luck to both set of fans.

How can you be out of form in ODI if you are not any good at it in the first place?

 

[Mamoon]

Test Batting alone Pant averages 43, Gilchrist 47, and Pant does not look to be improving, so I think his average will drop to 40, which is still decent as I said he is so far better Test batsman than Rizwan. Keeping wise both Gilchrist and Rizwan are better.

Pant has played only 8 Test matches at home so far.

Total Tests = 31
Home = 8
Away = 23

To breakdown further, he has played 9 in England, 7 in Australia, 3 in South Africa & 2 in New Zealand. The other 2 matches were in West Indies.

The fact that he still averages 43 after the most difficult entry into Test cricket that an Asian batsman can possibility have is absolutely incredible.

It is possible that Pant might fare better away from home just like Gilchrist, who averaged higher outside Australia, but an average of 43 after just 8 home matches & 23 away matches shows that he has the potential to get that average close to the 50 mark with more home games under his belt because the vast majority of batsmen perform better at home.

As far as his keeping is concerned, he is only 25 & improving. He is a lot better behind the stumps than what Rizwan was at 25, who is currently regressing with the gloves after peaking in 2020-2021.

Adam Gilchrist at 25 was not a top keeper either, Ian Healy continued to keep for Australia when Gilchrist was in his mid 20’s.

So in summary, you have failed to support your assertion with flying colors & I knew it would happen.

 

[Mobashir]

How can you be out of form in ODI if you are not any good at it in the first place?

Agree. Has done nothing in his ODI career so far.
Personally I think it will be good if we can find a replacement for limited overs and he will do good in Test cricket. It will be a big surprise if someone who doesn't know how to bat, like Pant, ends up as a better Test match batsman than him.

 

[Mamoon]

Agree. Has done nothing in his ODI career so far.
Personally I think it will be good if we can find a replacement for limited overs and he will do good in Test cricket. It will be a big surprise if someone who doesn't know how to bat, like Pant, ends up as a better Test match batsman than him.

A guy “who doesn’t know how to bat” has more overseas Test centuries than “best batsman in the world” Babar.

 

[Mobashir]

A guy “who doesn’t know how to bat” has more overseas Test centuries than “best batsman in the world” Babar.

He still doesn't know how to bat. No surprise he is not a permanent member of ODI's and T20I's.
I am sure, even in tests he is going to go down.

Hndreds doesn't mean eveything.
Take his series in South Africa : 186 runs in 6 innings. Failed first 5 innings and hurt his team badly. In the last innings of the series, with India nearly out of the match he scored that hundred (witch is a good innings). It didn't had much impact on the result.
So, if you just go by Stats, 1 hundred, average 37, in SA looks good, but the truth is that he was a failure on the tour. His batting, or lack of batting really hurt India big time.

Same in his first tour of England.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.
So despite the hundred, it was a disastrous series for Pant.

His stats don't do justice to how bad he is but I am sure many indian fans do realise it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

On the basis of?

Wait. Let me guess. His batting average of 67 in 2022?

Or the fact that he made 200+ runs in his last test?

Because he is an Indian.

 

[Sidilicious]

He still doesn't know how to bat. No surprise he is not a permanent member of ODI's and T20I's.
I am sure, even in tests he is going to go down.

Hndreds doesn't mean eveything.
Take his series in South Africa : 186 runs in 6 innings. Failed first 5 innings and hurt his team badly. In the last innings of the series, with India nearly out of the match he scored that hundred (witch is a good innings). It didn't had much impact on the result.
So, if you just go by Stats, 1 hundred, average 37, in SA looks good, but the truth is that he was a failure on the tour. His batting, or lack of batting really hurt India big time.

Same in his first tour of England.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.
So despite the hundred, it was a disastrous series for Pant.

His stats don't do justice to how bad he is but I am sure many indian fans do realise it.

Oh yes, completely ignoring that Pant already has 2 iconic knocks in Australia. Remind me how many does Rizwan have?

 

[Mobashir]

Oh yes, completely ignoring that Pant already has 2 iconic knocks in Australia. Remind me how many does Rizwan have?

Was just explaining that you can have hundred in England or wherever and still be bad.
Pant was bad in South Africa with one hundred and averaging 37.
Pant was disastrous in his first England tour with one hundred.

 

[Mamoon]

He still doesn't know how to bat. No surprise he is not a permanent member of ODI's and T20I's.
I am sure, even in tests he is going to go down.

Hndreds doesn't mean eveything.
Take his series in South Africa : 186 runs in 6 innings. Failed first 5 innings and hurt his team badly. In the last innings of the series, with India nearly out of the match he scored that hundred (witch is a good innings). It didn't had much impact on the result.
So, if you just go by Stats, 1 hundred, average 37, in SA looks good, but the truth is that he was a failure on the tour. His batting, or lack of batting really hurt India big time.

Same in his first tour of England.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.
So despite the hundred, it was a disastrous series for Pant.

His stats don't do justice to how bad he is but I am sure many indian fans do realise it.

What a load of drivel.

Every batsman fails more often than not, that is the nature of the game. A batsman doesn’t get second chances.

You can be in brilliant form, playing on flat pitch & against a weak attack but one momentarily loss of concentration & it is over for you.

This is why even the best batsmen in history have 50+ scores in less than 25-30% of their total innings but you are judged by your great performances & not by your failures.

Besides, the way Pant plays, it is going to be risky. He will frustrate you but he will always produce moments that will be etched in history.

An ordinary player like Rizwan is neither here or there, & no one remembers any of his knocks in this format.

Gilchrist scored <50 in 94 out of his 137 innings, which means he failed 69% of the time by your criteria.

Pant has scored <50 in 38 out of 53 innings, which means he failed 72%. There is only a 3 point difference between the greatest of all time & someone who doesn’t know how to bat, even though the Pant has played only 25% of his Tests at home so far while Gilchrist played 57% of his Tests at home in his career.

If Pant played 57% home Tests by the end of his career, he will clearly surpass Gilchrist based on the statistical evidence that I have provided. So far, there is hardly any difference between the two.

 

[Mobashir]

What a load of drivel.

Every batsman fails more often than not, that is the nature of the game. A batsman doesn’t get second chances.

You can be in brilliant form, playing on flat pitch & against a weak attack but one momentarily loss of concentration & it is over for you.

Strange you are saying this, and not applying it in another thread even when a ball is unplayable hitting a crack in the 4th innings.

Pant has scored <50 in 38 out of 53 innings, which means he failed 72%. There is only a 3 point difference between the greatest of all time & someone who doesn’t know how to bat, even though the Pant has played only 25% of his Tests at home so far while Gilchrist played 57% of his Tests at home in his career.

Quoting a post over 2 series and answering over a career?
Very hard to do meaninfull stats over such a little sample size. But in the England series, it's 83% score under 25 and 50% scores under 6.

Your lack of knowledge in the field of mathematics doesn't permit you to understand the use of statistics, how to use them.

Studying one series in witch he played 6 innings doesn't need statsitics. He was complete failure in the series.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.

Poor series. IF you think otherwise you are most welcome to say it and explains why.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Will be hard to compare them currently. Rizwan is a regular in all the formats whereas Pant has been kicked out of the LOI teams because of his poor showing in the last couple of months. If we are talking about all the formats then Rizwan and Litton Das should be compared.

 

[Mobashir]

Will be hard to compare them currently. Rizwan is a regular in all the formats whereas Pant has been kicked out of the LOI teams because of his poor showing in the last couple of months. If we are talking about all the formats then Rizwan and Litton Das should be compared.

Pant hasn't been kicked out completely. He has been partly kicked out and partly he has chickened out. It's a combination of both.

 

[Mamoon]

Strange you are saying this, and not applying it in another thread even when a ball is unplayable hitting a crack in the 4th innings.



Quoting a post over 2 series and answering over a career?
Very hard to do meaninfull stats over such a little sample size. But in the England series, it's 83% score under 25 and 50% scores under 6.

Your lack of knowledge in the field of mathematics doesn't permit you to understand the use of statistics, how to use them.

Studying one series in witch he played 6 innings doesn't need statsitics. He was complete failure in the series.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.

Poor series. IF you think otherwise you are most welcome to say it and explains why.

You don’t understand cricket, that is already established, but it seems you can’t do basic math either even though you are a math teacher?

Every player will have a few series in his career where he doesn’t produce any significant innings, you will find such outliers in every career including in the careers of great players.

I showed you cold, hard numbers that clearly tell us that Pant is pretty much as consistent as someone like Gilchrist even though he has played a lot less at home relative to how much he has played away, & “stats” show us that most players in history average more at home, which means that it is reasonable to predict that if Pant players anywhere close to the percentage of home Tests Gilchrist has played, he will be more consistent than him.

Numbers do not back your assertion that Pant doesn’t know how to bat & Gilchrist is the greatest of all time.

You have two options: either state then Gilchrist didn’t know how to bat & revisit your assessment of his status as the greatest, or admit that Pant is on his way to greatness.

Furthermore, statements like “little sample size” have no value in math/statistics. There is no such thing as little or more, you have to speak in an absolute numbers & do benchmarking.

Define little or more & state the threshold for each & your logic, backed by statistical evidence, to justify why you chose that benchmark.

What level math do you teach?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Pant is the big dawg in test matches, Rizwan is nothing but a bits n pieces test player, I always stated this. Rizwan doesnt have what it takes for test matches..

Pant's current form in limited overs is terrible, he has always been an avg limited overs player, hope it doesn't translate into the test matches though...

 

[Mobashir]

Every player will have a few series in his career where he doesn’t produce any significant innings, you will find such outliers in every career including in the careers of great players.

So tere is actually no debate. We both agree that, despite a "hundred in England", Pant had a disastrous series.
That was what I was pointing to, and we agree.

Furthermore, statements like “little sample size” have no value in math/statistics. There is no such thing as little or more, you have to speak in an absolute numbers & do benchmarking.

Define little or more & state the threshold for each & your logic, backed by statistical evidence, to justify why you chose that benchmark.

What level math do you teach?

What a joke. You are bad at understanding cricket and you don't have any knowledge. Surprising for a doctor, because a doctor doesn't need to be great in maths generally but at least have a grasp of Statistics.
Most formulas need a minimum sample size, like for CLT, it's often considered that the sample size should be at least 30.
At a higher level you have studied them apparently! If you want more informations or help in maths you are most welcome to come in private.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

If we are talking about Impact in test cricket than Babar Azam and Rizwan combined are not good enough to tie Pant's shoelaces.
Anybody who denies that is a cricket illiterate.

Pant has won two series in Aus, and many knocks against big teams in home conditions.
On the other hand Babar Azam has a series against Aus and is now on the verge of losing another to England.

 

[Sidilicious]

Was just explaining that you can have hundred in England or wherever and still be bad.
Pant was bad in South Africa with one hundred and averaging 37.
Pant was disastrous in his first England tour with one hundred.

The point being what Pant has achieved simply in the series in Aus dwarfs Rizwans test credential. And then there are those innings against England.

 

[Mamoon]

This is one of the worst comparisons I have seen. Rizwan is not half the player Pant is.

This drama that Rizwan is better in LOIs will also end soon. Pant will have an explosion in this format very soon, he has already shown glimpses.

That ODI hundred in the decider against England last summer was better than any ODI knock Rizwan has ever played.

This comparison might look like the Kohli vs Umar Akmal comparison thread 5 years from now.

 

[The lone Ranger]

He still doesn't know how to bat. No surprise he is not a permanent member of ODI's and T20I's.
I am sure, even in tests he is going to go down.

Hndreds doesn't mean eveything.
Take his series in South Africa : 186 runs in 6 innings. Failed first 5 innings and hurt his team badly. In the last innings of the series, with India nearly out of the match he scored that hundred (witch is a good innings). It didn't had much impact on the result.
So, if you just go by Stats, 1 hundred, average 37, in SA looks good, but the truth is that he was a failure on the tour. His batting, or lack of batting really hurt India big time.

Same in his first tour of England.
Scores of 24, 1, 0, 18 and 5 in his first 5 innings and then scores 114 in the last innings chasing 464 and walking in at 5 for 121. Match already lost, series already lost.
So despite the hundred, it was a disastrous series for Pant.

His stats don't do justice to how bad he is but I am sure many indian fans do realise it.

Yes, hundreds don't mean anything because babar has a whopping number of one test hundred in SENA in his 7 years of career.
You keep undermining his performances by saying he failed in the first 5 innings
What about babar spectacularly failing on his first tour of Australia scoring a total of 69 in 6 innings? Not to mention his recent atrocious performances over there! Can we say he doesn't know how to bat?

As for Pant's century in the final test against South Africa. No , India weren't nearly out of the match. It was scored under heavy pressure and the match was evenly poised looking at the scores in the first 2 innings, 212 should have been defended in the fourth inning especially on that pitch but the bowlers as usual bottled it out.

 

[Mobashir]

Yes, hundreds don't mean anything because babar has a whopping number of one test hundred in SENA in his 7 years of career.

Has nothing to do with the thread or the post.

You keep undermining his performances by saying he failed in the first 5 innings

Yes Pant failed miserably in the series despite his hundred witch was a useless hundred.

What about babar spectacularly failing on his first tour of Australia scoring a total of 69 in 6 innings?

Not on topic but will still answer so you don't think I am biased. Babar's series in Australia was an even bigger failure than Pants. Not much diffeence, but that useless hundred of Pant still scores some points. Babar was zero.

Not to mention his recent atrocious performances over there! Can we say he doesn't know how to bat?

Nothing to do with thread.

As for Pant's century in the final test against South Africa. No , India weren't nearly out of the match. It was scored under heavy pressure and the match was evenly poised looking at the scores in the first 2 innings, 212 should have been defended in the fourth inning especially on that pitch but the bowlers as usual bottled it out.

Yeah that Hundred was in fact better, you are right. But still falling in 5 important innings before is not okay. So it was still a failure of a tour for him.


Pant's SENA batting is way way overrated because of those hundreds. When in real, despite those hundreds he has failed on some of those tours.
People like to just say, he has scored a hundred in SENA so it's fine.

 

[Mobashir]

Mohammad Rizwan average against top test teams:
Australia : 45.28
England : 34.50
New Zealand : 43
South Africa : 83.

Against these teams, away from home :
in Australia : 44.25
in England : 40,25
in NZ : 43.
He hasn't played enough against these teams or in SENA so it's not enough to say how good he is or if he will falter after the early promiss.

 

[WhenSultansBowled]

Mohammad Rizwan average against top test teams:
Australia : 45.28
England : 34.50
New Zealand : 43
South Africa : 83.

Against these teams, away from home :
in Australia : 44.25
in England : 40,25
in NZ : 43.
He hasn't played enough against these teams or in SENA so it's not enough to say how good he is or if he will falter after the early promiss.

Pant has already played more match winning innings in SENA than all sub continent keepers combined, ever (including Sanga, Dhoni or Mushfiqur etc.).

Rizwan in a different beast in LOIs tho, credit where it is due. But in tests it's not even a comparison.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Mohammad Rizwan average against top test teams:
Australia : 45.28
England : 34.50
New Zealand : 43
South Africa : 83.

Against these teams, away from home :
in Australia : 44.25
in England : 40,25
in NZ : 43.
He hasn't played enough against these teams or in SENA so it's not enough to say how good he is or if he will falter after the early promiss.

All innings are useless as he didn't win a single series except SA.
Applying the same logic which you used for Pant's knocks.

 

[Devadwal]

Mohammad rizwan is nothing infront of pant in test cricket .

 

[Mamoon]

Mohammad Rizwan average against top test teams:
Australia : 45.28
England : 34.50
New Zealand : 43
South Africa : 83.

Against these teams, away from home :
in Australia : 44.25
in England : 40,25
in NZ : 43.
He hasn't played enough against these teams or in SENA so it's not enough to say how good he is or if he will falter after the early promiss.

10 years down the line, Rizwan vs Pant would be as embarrassing a comparison thread as Umar Akmal vs Kohli.

Pant is destined to be one of the all-time great WK batsmen; Rizwan is a nothing player who will be forgotten 3 months after he retires or gets dropped.

 

[Mamoon]

That's not even a question anymore. Riz is the best T20 keeper-batsman in the world right now.

Jos Buttler keeps wickets for England in T20Is. Even Rizwan’s family will not pick him over Buttler in white ball cricket.

There has to be something seriously wrong with an individual who has the audacity to claim that Rizwan is better than Buttler in T20I (or white ball) cricket.

This is the type of arrogance & delusion that has crept into Rizwan’s thought-process as well, hence he has become too big-headed for his own good & is now sinking faster than Titanic.

 

[Ab Fan]

As I said earlier, Rizwan is like BJ Watling while Pant is like Gilchrist.

Nothing has changed and nothing will change too. The arrogance and delusion will get shattered if it hasn't yet.

 

[Hextro]

Jos Buttler keeps wickets for England in T20Is. Even Rizwan’s family will not pick him over Buttler in white ball cricket.

There has to be something seriously wrong with an individual who has the audacity to claim that Rizwan is better than Buttler in T20I (or white ball) cricket.

This is the type of arrogance & delusion that has crept into Rizwan’s thought-process as well, hence he has become too big-headed for his own good & is now sinking faster than Titanic.

That's not even a question anymore. Riz is the best T20 keeper-batsman in the world right now.

Emphasis on the right now. Clearly Rizwan has lost form since my comment which is natural in cricket. During the time I posted my comment Rizwan was averaging 70 with an SR of 134 as an opener in T20Is. I would expect an opportunistic like you to use Rizwan's recent form in Test cricket to try to discredit his past performances in a different format. Typical Mamoon moment.

 

[ARK Rafay]

The style and experience of these two players. You'd expect Rizwan to do well in Test and Pant in the shorter formats. But it's the opposite