The best bowling attack in the world?

[Hasan123]

I respect the Indian attack but Australia have the best bowling line in the world.

 

[Chief Destroyer]

Only in Australia lol Check the last 1 year 2 year 3 year 4 year 5 year bowling average. Either it was INdia or SA. NZ, Pakistan, SL the notorious bunnies of Australia in Australia cannot give an accurate picture I don't deny Cummins is class. My favorite bowler. But with old ball and other brands of cricket balls they are found wanting.

I don't need to check bowling average. I watched them bowl in England, SA, India, NZ and Aus. They're the best and most complete.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I don't need to check bowling average. I watched them bowl in England, SA, India, NZ and Aus. They're the best and most complete.

I guess you have not watched India then. They are all averaging in teens not even 20s. I am not sure Yasir shah would agree that this is the best attack lol

 

[jnaveen1980]

I really enjoyed the SA India series in SA. Bumrah is high class, Shami can bowl some good balls but is not the same level. Umesh is improving. But, apart from Bumrah, none of them are as good as Cummins, Hazlewood, even Pattinson. But could be wrong - let’s see what happens on India’s next tour to Aus.

Also, is anyone watching Anrich Nortje in this series against England? Wow, great start by him.

You should also see what happens when Aus tours India not just India touring Aus. On Indian pitches Indian pacers dominate more than spinners.They outbowled Rabada, Nortje, Ngidi, Philander in Indian conditions. Even in Australia once the ball got slightly older this same Australian attack looked listless. First against India. Against Pakistan also they struggled with older ball. Hazlewood speed was into 120s when India was piling up 600 plus runs at the SCG. Cummins was the only one who had the energy to sustain. Starc was losing his radar as the match progressed. Their strength is persistence more than the skills.

The way Stokes blitzed them in a test match chasing a big total should give you an idea about their shortcomings.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Australia spanked 3 teams in a row SL, Pakistan, NZ. The record of these three teams in Australia since Jan, 1, 1999 (Australia's dominant period beginning)

 

[tyron_woodley]

I don't need to check bowling average. I watched them bowl in England, SA, India, NZ and Aus. They're the best and most complete.

no they aren't. smith masks their bowling strength. Having the best batsman and not needing to bowl to him makes a difference.

last 4 years india has been better. ability wise and in terms of fear factor. Aussies got outbowled in their own conditions.

the only.place where australia have a better attack supposedly is australia and south africa and even there indian seamers outperformed them.

 

[Nikhil_cric]

I don't need to check bowling average. I watched them bowl in England, SA, India, NZ and Aus. They're the best and most complete.

Agree with brother [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] here . Australia have the best bowling attack all things considered. Hazlewood,Starc, Cummins, Patto and they still have the likes of jhye Richardson and a slew of others in domestic. They can rotate their quicks and still maintain a high standard which every other team would struggle with.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Agree with brother [MENTION=141557]Chief Destroyer[/MENTION] here . Australia have the best bowling attack all things considered. Hazlewood,Starc, Cummins, Patto and they still have the likes of jhye Richardson and a slew of others in domestic. They can rotate their quicks and still maintain a high standard which every other team would struggle with.

the attack would be painfully average without cummins. No they absolutely wouldn't fare well at all outside Australia.

 

[Gilly]

the attack would be painfully average without cummins. No they absolutely wouldn't fare well at all outside Australia.

Can you name the best six fast bowlers in the world?.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Can you name the best six fast bowlers in the world?.

none except cummins from australia would be in that 6.
definitely not hazelwood, starcy whom I like.

bumrah
cummins
rabada
shami
wagner
archer
I hate to say this but ishant is actually good and has been a top player for the past 4 years. he peaked late. Plus he only plays one format.

 

[Gilly]

none except cummins from australia would be in that 6.
definitely not hazelwood, starcy whom I like.

bumrah
cummins
rabada
shami
wagner
archer
I hate to say this but ishant is actually good and has been a top player for the past 4 years. he peaked late. Plus he only plays one format.

Last 12 months stats:


rabada 32 @29

archer 30 @ 27

Hazelwood 31 @ 21

Starc 45 @ 18

 

[tyron_woodley]

Last 12 months stats:


rabada 32 @29

archer 30 @ 27

Hazelwood 31 @ 21

Starc 45 @ 18

last 4 years it's the other way around. Starc is home bully. same as hazelwood. I don't rate these guys. cummins is the complete player. He makes the Australian bowling attack strong. Take archer out. put ishant in actually.

rabada played vs india in India. No wonder his average skyrocketed. Same would happen to hazelwood and starc. Waiting to see both try to fake an injury to avoid difficult tours.

 

[jnaveen1980]

last 4 years it's the other way around. Starc is home bully. same as hazelwood. I don't rate these guys. cummins is the complete player. He makes the Australian bowling attack strong. Take archer out. put ishant in actually.

rabada played vs india in India. No wonder his average skyrocketed. Same would happen to hazelwood and starc. Waiting to see both try to fake an injury to avoid difficult tours.

Good bowling attack would have been able to defend 362 in 4th innings at Leeds. They completely lost the plot in that match. That was such a low scoring match.

 

[Gilly]

last 4 years it's the other way around. Starc is home bully. same as hazelwood. I don't rate these guys. cummins is the complete player. He makes the Australian bowling attack strong. Take archer out. put ishant in actually.

rabada played vs india in India. No wonder his average skyrocketed. Same would happen to hazelwood and starc. Waiting to see both try to fake an injury to avoid difficult tours.

In India

Hazelwood 9 @ 32

Starc 5 @ 30

Rabada 7 @ 40

 

[tyron_woodley]

In India

Hazelwood 9 @ 32

Starc 5 @ 30

Rabada 7 @ 40

? starc averages 50 in india. and 35 plus overall

hazelwood just started. He will get demolished next time he tours. he averages 32 overall

rabada went from 55 to 44. already. It would get better. Plus he plays with no support. starc and hazelwood just feed off cummins.
rabada averages 29 overall.

 

[MenInG]

India bowlers looking very very good indeed at the moment.

 

[jnaveen1980]

India bowlers looking very very good indeed at the moment.

Surprisingly. There is some common factor is playing in this. I think it is the bowling coach.

 

[Mean&Green]

Surprisingly. There is some common factor is playing in this. I think it is the bowling coach.

No it isn’t bharat arun is another drunkard like shastri if anyone gives credit to shastri for India’s performances I would call him a plain fool nothing else. These boys work hard as hell to get here and perform extremely well based on their own skills and hard work plus their domestic the work their domestic coaches or school level coaches have done with them. Virat kohli still credits his old coach Sharma something for all his achievements he never even mentions ravi is doing anything. Plus all the indian bowlers are 10x the bowler bharat arun ever was so I doubt he is making any influence. Plus coaches play a very small part in international cricket. India at the moment is so skillful and good that they would be playing this good without any coach.

 

[jnaveen1980]

No it isn’t bharat arun is another drunkard like shastri if anyone gives credit to shastri for India’s performances I would call him a plain fool nothing else. These boys work hard as hell to get here and perform extremely well based on their own skills and hard work plus their domestic the work their domestic coaches or school level coaches have done with them. Virat kohli still credits his old coach Sharma something for all his achievements he never even mentions ravi is doing anything. Plus all the indian bowlers are 10x the bowler bharat arun ever was so I doubt he is making any influence. Plus coaches play a very small part in international cricket. India at the moment is so skillful and good that they would be playing this good without any coach.

I am talking about technique, length. Everybody is moving. Ishant for a long time was short and wide sharma. In the last couple of years he is back to his stock length. Full. He swings. Bumrah has learnt outswing. Umesh is bowling outswing with much better control. Shami is just a natural though. Today Thakur was moving the ball away from the batsman which is surprising given that he is a short of a length bowler. Same way Saini is also moving the ball with good seam position. Either Arun someone within the Indian team helping them technically.

 

[Hyperion66]

Test: Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin, Jadeja

LOI: Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini, Kuldeep, Sundar

Clearly the most complete bowling attack for all format and conditions. Pace, seam, swing, intelligence, accuracy, variations, death bowling, finger spin, wrist spin, decent reserves like Chahal and Shardul...we got everything except for a decent left arm seam bowler. Without a doubt the best attack in the world right now.

 

[Mean&Green]

Test: Bumrah, Shami, Ishant, Yadav, Ashwin, Jadeja

LOI: Bumrah, Shami, Bhuvi, Saini, Kuldeep, Sundar

Clearly the most complete bowling attack for all format and conditions. Pace, seam, swing, intelligence, accuracy, variations, death bowling, finger spin, wrist spin, decent reserves like Chahal and Shardul...we got everything except for a decent left arm seam bowler. Without a doubt the best attack in the world right now.

Take out Sundar and put my boy chahal in there and I completly agree

 

[jnaveen1980]

Even though i am happy with our fast bowling across the formats, i think India has potential to have a very good spin bowling unit. Jadeja, Kuldeep, Chahal, Ashwin, Sundar. In the reserves we have Rahul Chahar, Shreyas Gopal, , Krunal, Gowtham.

 

[Hyperion66]

Take out Sundar and put my boy chahal in there and I completly agree

Don't really think so bro, Chahal has a habit of getting thrashed when things don't go his way, at least Sundar picks up wickets even when he is leaking runs and a genuinely decent bat lower down the order. I know Chahal has a good record in Aus but I think he will probably get thrashed this time around if they serve all flat pitches and he is a proper tail ender too with the bat. If we have Bumrah, Shami and Saini in the playing XI we need to have Sundar to provide some sort of reliability with the bat down the order as we can't trust our fast bowlers to score 10 runs between them.

 

[Mean&Green]

Don't really think so bro, Chahal has a habit of getting thrashed when things don't go his way, at least Sundar picks up wickets even when he is leaking runs and a genuinely decent bat lower down the order. I know Chahal has a good record in Aus but I think he will probably get thrashed this time around if they serve all flat pitches and he is a proper tail ender too with the bat. If we have Bumrah, Shami and Saini in the playing XI we need to have Sundar to provide some sort of reliability with the bat down the order as we can't trust our fast bowlers to score 10 runs between them.

Chahal had the best bowling average for India after Bumrah in 2019. Sundar bro be honest how does a player like him make it into the international team of India is beyond everything. We all know what IPL team he plays for. I can promise you if India take him to the t20 World Cup he will get reversed sweep and switch hit for sixes by warner maxwell all the players that play that switch hit. His length is perfect for those shots. Idk if you remember warner switch hit became a right handed to hit ashwin in Australia once this boys gonna get dealt with real bad and chahal has always gotten the likes of maxwells out with ease.

 

[Hyperion66]

Chahal had the best bowling average for India after Bumrah in 2019. Sundar bro be honest how does a player like him make it into the international team of India is beyond everything. We all know what IPL team he plays for. I can promise you if India take him to the t20 World Cup he will get reversed sweep and switch hit for sixes by warner maxwell all the players that play that switch hit. His length is perfect for those shots. Idk if you remember warner switch hit became a right handed to hit ashwin in Australia once this boys gonna get dealt with real bad and chahal has always gotten the likes of maxwells out with ease.

Chahal over Sundar in ODIs any day, but we are talking about t20 here and with an economy of 8+ I am not sure if he should be the first choice spinner in Aus of all places. What makes you think they can't switch hit or reverse weep Chahal? I remember Chahal used to comeback strongly even after getting hit, he is not the same anymore, now he totally lose his composure after getting hit for a few much like Kuldeep, but unlike Chahal Kuldeep has a wide array of skill sets to compensate for his lack of mental fortitude. BTW you should check out Sundar's domestics records, he is a more than decent bowling alrounder. He has made his mark in international too despite not being regular and having mostly played in 2nd string XIs.

 

[barah_admi]

The usual suspects talking about India...because apparently that is the only team that exists. So let's us look at the best bowlers in the world:

Mohammad Shami (imp the best Indian test pace bowler) - Career average of 27 in tests, which is pretty good actually but far from great. However that jumps up to 30 when he is facing Aus, Eng, NZ or SA, the best top 5 test teams of the era. That is an average, test average.

Jasprit Bumrah (regarded by most as the best) - Career average of 19 which is very, very good. However, remove the windies from his opponents and it goes up to 20...still very very good yet it is across a span of just 10 test matches. So there is a long way to go before he can be compared to career test bowlers of 20, 30 or more test matches.

Ishant Sharma (so called renaissance man) - Career average of 33 which is below average for a top quality test bowler. Pick him against the four best teams (Aus, Eng, NZ and SA) it jumps up to a whopping 37 which is just poor for a frontline bowler.

Which spinners should we look at?

Ashwin - Career average of 25 is very good but take him out of the turning tracks of asia what happens? Or rather if you look at his tests against the top sides away, he averages over 40. Not a great sign.

Jadeja - Almost exact situation for this guy.

So we have a very good bowler in Bumrah but his career is so short we have no idea if he is a flash in the pan or not/ Sharma is nowhere the renaissance man he is supposed to be and the spinners are home track bullies. The best all round bowler India have is greatly underrated and I think might make a test XI for most teams.


Hardly the soul destroying battery of fast bowlers some have you believe.

 

[tyron_woodley]

The usual suspects talking about India...because apparently that is the only team that exists. So let's us look at the best bowlers in the world:

Mohammad Shami (imp the best Indian test pace bowler) - Career average of 27 in tests, which is pretty good actually but far from great. However that jumps up to 30 when he is facing Aus, Eng, NZ or SA, the best top 5 test teams of the era. That is an average, test average.

Jasprit Bumrah (regarded by most as the best) - Career average of 19 which is very, very good. However, remove the windies from his opponents and it goes up to 20...still very very good yet it is across a span of just 10 test matches. So there is a long way to go before he can be compared to career test bowlers of 20, 30 or more test matches.

Ishant Sharma (so called renaissance man) - Career average of 33 which is below average for a top quality test bowler. Pick him against the four best teams (Aus, Eng, NZ and SA) it jumps up to a whopping 37 which is just poor for a frontline bowler.

Which spinners should we look at?

Ashwin - Career average of 25 is very good but take him out of the turning tracks of asia what happens? Or rather if you look at his tests against the top sides away, he averages over 40. Not a great sign.

Jadeja - Almost exact situation for this guy.

So we have a very good bowler in Bumrah but his career is so short we have no idea if he is a flash in the pan or not/ Sharma is nowhere the renaissance man he is supposed to be and the spinners are home track bullies. The best all round bowler India have is greatly underrated and I think might make a test XI for most teams.


Hardly the soul destroying battery of fast bowlers some have you believe.

Last 4 year's all these bowlers have had averages of under 25. Even vs the so called other top teams. It is a brilliant pace battery. I can do the same for waqar. career average of 40 vs india and 45 vs australia.

I can do the same for hazelwood who is mediocre outside australia. Same for starc.

india have the best bowling attack. period. They are getting older. Only age will stop them at this point. They still have atleast 2 years in them to be a top bowling attack until the young guns get drafted in.

ishant used to average 42. He now averages 31. Last 4 year's he shown tremendous improvement. Players CAN IMPROVE YOU KNOW?

player reach their peaks and prime levels at different stages. ishant prior to 2015 is not the same ishant 2.0 He is now.

bumrah is a generational talent. Only injuries can stop this guy. He will wreak havoc if he stays fit.

shami is a world class elite bowler of the highest order. Even he had a bad start, other wise his average would be under 25. Post 2015 he is a different shami. Shami was in his prime from 2015 till date. Prior to that he struggled through injuries.

 

[Buffet]

Last 5 years test bowling average




There could be question about Indian doctoring home pitches, so

Test bowling average in away conditions in the last 5 years,


If a bowling unit is averageing home and away both around 24-25 in periods like 5 years, then it's an outstanding bowling unit. There may not be an ATG bowler in unit, but performance as unit is simply outstanding. I am not sure how many bowling units in history averaged 24-25 for 5 years period. I will guess not many.

 

[Buffet]

Put it in perspective,

Best bowling unit in the last 30 years in 5 years taken at a time,

90-94 : Pak 26.xx
95-99: SA 26.xx
00- 04: Aus 27.xx
05-09: Aus 30.xx
10-14: SA 29.xx
15-19: Ind 24.XX

 

[Aman]

Aus and it isn't close.

Every run was difficult to score against them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Aus and it isn't close.

Every run was difficult to score against them.

only in australia. we all saw how stokes alone destroyed their attack. Not to mention pujara rendered them useless.

 

[Aman]

only in australia. we all saw how stokes alone destroyed their attack. Not to mention pujara rendered them useless.

And what exactly has this Indian bowling line up achieved outside India?

This is an all time great Aus attack in the making. I hadn't seen much of Cummins before this series, he is the new McGrath but bowls 10kph quicker. He has the knack of producing absolute jaffas to remove set batsmen that move away or back in.

Cummins, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Starc and Lyon is far better than anything India have to offer.

 

[Aman]

I can't remember the last time seeing our batsmen struggle this much in conditions that weren't that difficult to bat in.

The Aussies bowlers were relentless and gave us nothing to drive, the moment we did we'd lose a wicket.

 

[tyron_woodley]

And what exactly has this Indian bowling line up achieved outside India?

This is an all time great Aus attack in the making. I hadn't seen much of Cummins before this series, he is the new McGrath but bowls 10kph quicker. He has the knack of producing absolute jaffas to remove set batsmen that move away or back in.

Cummins, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Starc and Lyon is far better than anything India have to offer.

india outbowled australia in australia. indian pacers outbowled south Africans in south africa when they had their better bowlers like morkel steyn playing.

Even in England indian bowlers did well. It was the batting and moen fluke ali plus curran of all people that won them the series.

indian bowling is the best by far. bunrah is better than cummins.
hazelwood is dud cannon fodder outside australia. shami wrecks him anyday.
Pattinson just came and if there is no help on the pitch he is useless. I would take ishant over him and even bhuvi has a good record btw. starc is just plain **** outside australia.

Lyon is better than jadeja and ashwin only in australia and south africa.

Stop being delusional buddy. This indian attack is one of the best ever attacks over the past 4 years.

 

[tyron_woodley]

I can't remember the last time seeing our batsmen struggle this much in conditions that weren't that difficult to bat in.

The Aussies bowlers were relentless and gave us nothing to drive, the moment we did we'd lose a wicket.

that's cause you guys and Pakistan suck vs bounce.

Aussies are only good in Australia. Australian bowling will be exposed in sub continent as usual.

I would even argue saying Australian bowlers at lucky they don't have to face smith and warner plus labuschagne. otherwise their averages will be over 45 just like how they struggle in shield cricket vs those particular guys.

So compare them to rest of the field and india wrecks them everywhere else.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Only thing Aussies got going is age. indian bowlers are ageing. shami is not 29. ishant is 31.

saini is ready though.
bhuvi will be back
prasidh krishna will come in
avesh khan.

So don't think india is going away anytime soon.

 

[dildilpak]

I can't remember the last time seeing our batsmen struggle this much in conditions that weren't that difficult to bat in.

The Aussies bowlers were relentless and gave us nothing to drive, the moment we did we'd lose a wicket.

The same famed Aussie bowlers were outbowled by India last year as well couldn’t get Stokes & a No. 11 batsman in Ashes out this year, so you can’t say they are the best out there bcoz a terribly out of form NZ & perpetual bad travelers Pakistan struggled against them. They simply aren’t unplayable like the old Australian quartet - their inadequacies are exposed the moment they play good batting sides. The only thing going for them is age - if Starc & Pattinson remain fit obviously, otherwise we don’t really know the capabilities of their bowling bench strength.

 

[jnaveen1980]

I can't remember the last time seeing our batsmen struggle this much in conditions that weren't that difficult to bat in.

The Aussies bowlers were relentless and gave us nothing to drive, the moment we did we'd lose a wicket.

From what i saw Australian bowling was better against India than against New zealand. More aggression. Check how many blows Pujara copped on his knuckles. Last 3 teams they beat at home were traditional bunnies of Australia

 

[tyron_woodley]

From what i saw Australian bowling was better against India than against New zealand. More aggression. Check how many blows Pujara copped on his knuckles. Last 3 teams they beat at home were traditional bunnies of Australia

india hurt aussie players more. dished out way not punishment and even retired 2 of them.

khawaja, harris, marsh were all top scorers in shield cricket. marnus was a fodder the year before. He was way below them.

 

[jnaveen1980]

india hurt aussie players more. dished out way not punishment and even retired 2 of them.

khawaja, harris, marsh were all top scorers in shield cricket. marnus was a fodder the year before. He was way below them.

yes Hostile exchange. Anyone who thinks that Australia underperformed in that series should check the articles related to that series, watch videos related to that series.

 

[Sin Nombre]

Put it in perspective,

Best bowling unit in the last 30 years in 5 years taken at a time,

90-94 : Pak 26.xx
95-99: SA 26.xx
00- 04: Aus 27.xx
05-09: Aus 30.xx
10-14: SA 29.xx
15-19: Ind 24.XX

This is as clear as it gets.

Very strong bowling lineup.

 

[Aman]

I can guarantee you that our batsmen wont be shut down like they were in Aus against India next month.

Indian fans are delusional if their attack is remotely comparable to Australia's, will get that wake up call when they face a full strength Aus team later this year.

That Aus team India beat would have been beaten in the Ashes convincingly 0-3 or 0-4.

 

[Aman]

Only thing Aussies got going is age. indian bowlers are ageing. shami is not 29. ishant is 31.

saini is ready though.
bhuvi will be back
prasidh krishna will come in
avesh khan.

So don't think india is going away anytime soon.

This dude comparing Bumrah, Shami and Ishant to Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc/Pattinson )

Cummins alone is better than all your bowlers. Different level of bowler, probably the best I've seen in years.

This is reflected in the Test bowler ratings - Cummins is 108 points higher than India's highest ranked bowler, Bumrah. 1.0.8.

 

[Aman]

People don't get it.

When we tour the sub continent the foreign conditions play a big part in us struggling.

In the second and third Test we were completely owned on quality, their bowlers were way too good for us in conditions that weren't bad to bat.

 

[Aman]

This is as clear as it gets.

Very strong bowling lineup.

Don't need stats when your eyes tell the full story.

If you watched the Pakistan and NZ tour of Aus, you wouldn't even bother opening your mouth.

The Aussies are so far ahead of the Indian bowlers it isn't funny.

 

[Aman]

india hurt aussie players more. dished out way not punishment and even retired 2 of them.

khawaja, harris, marsh were all top scorers in shield cricket. marnus was a fodder the year before. He was way below them.

Look at the name of the players your talking about.

These players are nowhere near the Test team currently. Jesus when did Indian fans become delusional about the quality of their bowlers.

 

[Aman]

Put it in perspective,

Best bowling unit in the last 30 years in 5 years taken at a time,

90-94 : Pak 26.xx
95-99: SA 26.xx
00- 04: Aus 27.xx
05-09: Aus 30.xx
10-14: SA 29.xx
15-19: Ind 24.XX

Why are using 5 years? Hardly a good metric to determine the best bowling attack in the world currently. Particularly when we know how foreign conditions are in India to most teams who tour there, if SL weren't terrible and Pakistan toured India, those numbers wouldn't be as pretty for India.

Irrespective of what stats say, I've seen Australia dominate us like we were the WI or SL. This Aus attack could be the next great Aus bowling attack.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Don't need stats when your eyes tell the full story.

If you watched the Pakistan and NZ tour of Aus, you wouldn't even bother opening your mouth.

The Aussies are so far ahead of the Indian bowlers it isn't funny.

Yasir Shah made a century, Rizwan made 95. Once the ball was 40 overs old they looked toothless. You cannot possibly say guys like Watling are poorer batsman than Yasir. They struggled against no.11 batsman of England. Jadeja and Pant absolutely demolished their attack once Pujara wore them out with a 200 partnership at a run rate of 5.5. Three teams exposed their attack when the ball was old. Mistake was on the part of NZ not being able to do the same

 

[Aman]

india outbowled australia in australia. indian pacers outbowled south Africans in south africa when they had their better bowlers like morkel steyn playing.

Even in England indian bowlers did well. It was the batting and moen fluke ali plus curran of all people that won them the series.

indian bowling is the best by far. bunrah is better than cummins.
hazelwood is dud cannon fodder outside australia. shami wrecks him anyday.
Pattinson just came and if there is no help on the pitch he is useless. I would take ishant over him and even bhuvi has a good record btw. starc is just plain **** outside australia.

Lyon is better than jadeja and ashwin only in australia and south africa.

Stop being delusional buddy. This indian attack is one of the best ever attacks over the past 4 years.

Aus bowlers were bowling to Pujara, Rahane and Kohli. India was bowling to a batting line up of Harris, Khawaja, Marnus (prior to his County stint), Marsh and Travis Head. A order of nobodies - possibly, scratch that, the worst Australian batting line up in history.

 

[tyron_woodley]

This dude comparing Bumrah, Shami and Ishant to Cummins, Hazlewood, Starc/Pattinson )

Cummins alone is better than all your bowlers. Different level of bowler, probably the best I've seen in years.

This is reflected in the Test bowler ratings - Cummins is 108 points higher than India's highest ranked bowler, Bumrah. 1.0.8.

cummins is below bumrah. the world knows it. bumrah is the best bowler in all formats.

People don't understand how good he is. if he is full fit and available for india, he will outshine cummins effortlessly in the upcoming series.

Are you dense? bumrah dint play enough games. That's the only reason cummins is ranked higher. *** has starc a flat track bouncy pitch bully dud fodder done outside australia? he ducked indian tour several times because he was afraid his average would skyrocket just like philander.

cummins is a good bowler but shami is better. in sub continent shami wrecks him.
in south africa shami wrecks him. the only.places where hazelwood bowled better than him is in England and australia. That was till recently where shami outbowled him in australia rofl.

Pattinson is trash in sub continent. He did nothing and continue to be a nobody there.

He is only good at home. Australian bowlers at home bullies.

record says india has the best bowling average home and away over the past 4 /5 years.

and yet you think these overrated clowns are better than indian bowlers ahahhaa.

 

[Aman]

Yasir Shah made a century, Rizwan made 95. Once the ball was 40 overs old they looked toothless. You cannot possibly say guys like Watling are poorer batsman than Yasir. They struggled against no.11 batsman of England. Jadeja and Pant absolutely demolished their attack once Pujara wore them out with a 200 partnership at a run rate of 5.5. Three teams exposed their attack when the ball was old. Mistake was on the part of NZ not being able to do the same

Man I cannot wait to see you guys get humbled when you face up a fit and firing Aus team. The arrogance is so undeserved.

Going to be hilarious if you lose a series to us after what happened in Aus. If you don't thrash us, it makes you look bad after our pathetic show in Aus where our batsmen struggled to get the ball off the square and conceded 450+ every first innings.

 

[Aman]

cummins is below bumrah. the world knows it. bumrah is the best bowler in all formats.

People don't understand how good he is. if he is full fit and available for india, he will outshine cummins effortlessly in the upcoming series.

Are you dense? bumrah dint play enough games. That's the only reason cummins is ranked higher. *** has starc a flat track bouncy pitch bully dud fodder done outside australia? he ducked indian tour several times because he was afraid his average would skyrocket just like philander.

cummins is a good bowler but shami is better. in sub continent shami wrecks him.
in south africa shami wrecks him. the only.places where hazelwood bowled better than him is in England and australia. That was till recently where shami outbowled him in australia rofl.

Pattinson is trash in sub continent. He did nothing and continue to be a nobody there.

He is only good at home. Australian bowlers at home bullies.

record says india has the best bowling average home and away over the past 4 /5 years.

and yet you think these overrated clowns are better than indian bowlers ahahhaa.

No they don't.

Cummins is considered the best bowler in the world, he's getting compared to McGrath and some are saying he'll surpass him.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Aus bowlers were bowling to Pujara, Rahane and Kohli. India was bowling to a batting line up of Harris, Khawaja, Marnus (prior to his County stint), Marsh and Travis Head. A order of nobodies - possibly, scratch that, the worst Australian batting line up in history.

The guys you mentioned are domestic bullies. Not Marnus. But Harris was the highest run-getter of the season. Handscomb, Shaun Marsh absolutely dominated the domestic season. A season where Marnus averaged 24. The same Marnus demolished 2 bowing attacks in a row. Obviously it is not that easy to score sheild cricket without being actually good.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Aus bowlers were bowling to Pujara, Rahane and Kohli. India was bowling to a batting line up of Harris, Khawaja, Marnus (prior to his County stint), Marsh and Travis Head. A order of nobodies - possibly, scratch that, the worst Australian batting line up in history.

that's why I said. they are lucky they don't have to face smith labuschagne and warner rofl. Australian bowlers don't bowl to the best batsman in the world aka smith.

kohli took a far more lethal Australian bowling attack on in 2014 and smashed then around the park. this attack won't trouble him.

if the famed Australian bowlers bowl to smith and warnee on Australian tracks I guarantee you their averages will be over 35 plus. They are overrated. The only reason australia would beat india is if smith scores a ton or warner ofcourse. That's also because they are the two best batsmen in australia conditions.

if australia goes to india now, make no mistake they will get flogged 3 or 4 0 whether they win or lose the toss.

against india austrslia better hope and pray they win the toss otherwise they will lose the series in australia too rofl. That's the difference. kohli has lost how many games when he won the toss? do you know? 0.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Man I cannot wait to see you guys get humbled when you face up a fit and firing Aus team. The arrogance is so undeserved.

Going to be hilarious if you lose a series to us after what happened in Aus. If you don't thrash us, it makes you look bad after our pathetic show in Aus where our batsmen struggled to get the ball off the square and conceded 450+ every first innings.

NZ is always strong at home. So you cannot use that. If India meets NZ in Australia, i am sure they will dominate them.

 

[tyron_woodley]

No they don't.

Cummins is considered the best bowler in the world, he's getting compared to McGrath and some are saying he'll surpass him.

the same was said about bumrah. bumrah is a generational bowler better than cummins. bishop, ambrose can attest to that.

 

[Aman]

Bumrah has played 12 Tests - 2 against WI who have no interest in playing Test cricket and 4 against the worst Australian batting line up in history.

That's half his Test career.

Yikes.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yasir Shah made a century, Rizwan made 95. Once the ball was 40 overs old they looked toothless. You cannot possibly say guys like Watling are poorer batsman than Yasir. They struggled against no.11 batsman of England. Jadeja and Pant absolutely demolished their attack once Pujara wore them out with a 200 partnership at a run rate of 5.5. Three teams exposed their attack when the ball was old. Mistake was on the part of NZ not being able to do the same

cummins is good. bumrah is better. simple.

rest of Australian bowled are toothless. Only bullies at home.

 

[Aman]

NZ is always strong at home. So you cannot use that. If India meets NZ in Australia, i am sure they will dominate them.

Aus would thrash us in NZ as well. They'd win 2-0, they've beaten us at home with a much weaker team several years back.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Bumrah has played 12 Tests - 2 against WI who have no interest in playing Test cricket and 4 against the worst Australian batting line up in history.

That's half his Test career.

Yikes.

yea and cummins and co get smacked around by smith, warner in shield cricket. They are lucky they don't have to face him.

what will they do in subcontinent btw? yea nothing.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Aus would thrash us in NZ as well. They'd win 2-0, they've beaten us at home with a much weaker team several years back.

playing against pakistan, Sri Lanka, is easier for india due to familiar conditons.

australia will be for familiar with SENA conditions. hence it is expected to see Aussies beat n.z or vice versa.

I highly doubt this very same auatralia side can beat Sri Lanka away let alone india and Pakistan.

Same rules apply here.

 

[Aman]

yea and cummins and co get smacked around by smith, warner in shield cricket. They are lucky they don't have to face him.

what will they do in subcontinent btw? yea nothing.

Don't worry, you talk about the sub continent.

Aus will win the WTC by beating you in the Final, likely with Smith and Cummins outshining Kohli and Bumrah.

We're all well aware of those two when the pressure is on..

 

[Aman]

playing against pakistan, Sri Lanka, is easier for india due to familiar conditons.

australia will be for familiar with SENA conditions. hence it is expected to see Aussies beat n.z or vice versa.

I highly doubt this very same auatralia side can beat Sri Lanka away let alone india and Pakistan.

Same rules apply here.

Aus will beat SL in SL, heck didn't they do it with Shaun Marsh a few years back?

 

[tyron_woodley]

india
pakistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

SENA
Australia will be far more familiar with SENA conditions.

Only difference is Bangladesh is weak at home and Lanka to an extent now as well as they are rebuilding.

new zeland are strong enough to beat most teams at home barring australia because australia knows how to win in those conditions. Just like how they are able to win south africa. Familiarity.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Aus will beat SL in SL, heck didn't they do it with Shaun Marsh a few years back?

I don't recall them beating Lanka.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Don't worry, you talk about the sub continent.

Aus will win the WTC by beating you in the Final, likely with Smith and Cummins outshining Kohli and Bumrah.

We're all well aware of those two when the pressure is on..

yea if they win the toss. india suck in one off games.

absolutely. But india can decimate them too. Remember they are playing in England. So australia will be more familiar with those conditions. Still, they would need to win the toss to beat india.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Aman you have to realize NZ,Pakistan, SL have been the worst tourists to Australia in the last 20 years. You shouldn't be surprised NZ failed there. Australia could play a B string side i am sure NZ will struggle against them too. Bowling standard against India was superior. I don't think Australia had to break sweat to knock the NZ batsmen.

In Australia Indian batting >> NZ batting. This has been the case for the last 20 years. Nothing new.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Aman you have to realize NZ,Pakistan, SL have been the worst tourists to Australia in the last 20 years. You shouldn't be surprised NZ failed there. Australia could play a B string side i am sure NZ will struggle against them too. Bowling standard against India was superior. I don't think Australia had to break sweat to knock the NZ batsmen.

In Australia Indian batting >> NZ batting. This has been the case for the last 20 years. Nothing new.

It's a game of attrition. In australia toss also matters as batting second is just impossible.

btw Australian fast bowlers is not even the main threat. it's lyon.


and also don't forget Australian pacers don't face smith, warner. So they don't face 2 of the best players in Australian conditions.
Smith and warner would tonk all of them.

So your best bet would be to compare indian and aussie pacers performances elsewhere against the rest of the field.

india have a clear adavtange in sub continent, west indies, south africa as per recent records. In australia I give the edge to Australians but that's not because they are better bowlers. just that they don't get to face smith and warner themselves.

in England I would give australia the edge but india with bhuvi would be a different beast in English conditions.

in n.z we shall find out soon.

 

[jnaveen1980]

It's a game of attrition. In australia toss also matters as batting second is just impossible.

btw Australian fast bowlers is not even the main threat. it's lyon.


and also don't forget Australian pacers don't face smith, warner. So they don't face 2 of the best players in Australian conditions.
Smith and warner would tonk all of them.

So your best bet would be to compare indian and aussie pacers performances elsewhere against the rest of the field.

india have a clear adavtange in sub continent, west indies, south africa as per recent records. In australia I give the edge to Australians but that's not because they are better bowlers. just that they don't get to face smith and warner themselves.

in England I would give australia the edge but india with bhuvi would be a different beast in English conditions.

in n.z we shall find out soon.

NZ batting is always suspect there. For instance let us take the first test vs NZ. Hazlewood pulled hammie in his second over and left. He bowled a total of 1.2 overs. Australia was left with just 3 full time bowlers Starc, Cummins, Lyon. Yet NZ managed to get bowled out for 166 runs despite having fab 4 batsman in their line up on a good batting surface. It probably is a mental block or they don't like bounce.

 

[tyron_woodley]

NZ batting is always suspect there. For instance let us take the first test vs NZ. Hazlewood pulled hammie in his second over and left. He bowled a total of 1.2 overs. Australia was left with just 3 full time bowlers Starc, Cummins, Lyon. Yet NZ managed to get bowled out for 166 runs despite having fab 4 batsman in their line up on a good batting surface. It probably is a mental block or they don't like bounce.

they don't like bounce and also have the mental block.

india won't have that mental block vs Aussies.

I am.not saying Indians are favourites to beat Aussies away. ofcourse not. Just like india they are also behemoths at home.

however india will punish them badly if they win the toss. This is the truth. I don't think Aussies can beat india in India even if they win the toss. That's also a fact that was proven in 2016 when an even better Australian side toured india.

India with their great quick will be hard to handle for even the mighty Aussies.

Difference is not so much the bowling. It's the batting. Smith is the best batsman in the world so all bowlers will struggle vs him including his own team mates who rarely every get him out in shield cricket. They have serious issues with him and warner.

india have the bowling attack to negate them but like i said before toss matters.

 

[murakh1]

The Thing is Aus is very Hard to beat at their home but not impossible. Talking about Pakistan didn't perform well there because too many catches were dropped due to bad fielding, except Babar Azam I cant say anyone World Class batsman in that line up. Although Some spell of Naseem Shah was exceptional. Other hand india has Good Batting line up, our bowlers have done significantly well in recent years, Most importantly we have a bowling line which can 20 wickets which is required to win any test match. Yes, On their turf Australia is better team , No matter who is world No 1. But all I am saying if our previous team consist of irfan Pathan, Ajit Agar, zaheer khan managed to draw series in past with Mighty Aus Team of 2004 , Then this current lot Has High Chance to give them good fight or even beat them to win the series.

 

[Aman]

india
pakistan
Sri Lanka
Bangladesh

SENA
Australia will be far more familiar with SENA conditions.

Only difference is Bangladesh is weak at home and Lanka to an extent now as well as they are rebuilding.

new zeland are strong enough to beat most teams at home barring australia because australia knows how to win in those conditions. Just like how they are able to win south africa. Familiarity.

Yeah and India are fortunate the teams who would fare better in those conditions (SL and Pak) either don't play in India are currently rebuilding.

 

[andy0204]

NZ batting is always suspect there. For instance let us take the first test vs NZ. Hazlewood pulled hammie in his second over and left. He bowled a total of 1.2 overs. Australia was left with just 3 full time bowlers Starc, Cummins, Lyon. Yet NZ managed to get bowled out for 166 runs despite having fab 4 batsman in their line up on a good batting surface. It probably is a mental block or they don't like bounce.

It's mental block as well as bounce because they also play like a minnows whenever they toured in South Africa.

 

[jnaveen1980]

they don't like bounce and also the mental block.

india won't have that mental block vs Aussies.

I am.not saying Indians are favourites to beat Aussies away. ofcourse not. Just like india they are also behemoths at home.

however india will punish them badly if they win the toss. This is the truth. I don't think Aussies can beat india in India even if they win the toss. That's also a fact that was proven in 2016 when an even better Australian side toured india.

India with their great quick will be hard to handle for even the mighty Aussies.

Difference is not so much the bowling. It's the batting. Smith is the best batsman in the world so all bowlers will struggle vs him including his own team mates who rarely every get him out in shield cricket. They have serious issues with him and warner.

india have the bowling attack to negate them but like i said before toss matters.

Toss will play a role

 

[jnaveen1980]

Since 2000 this is the case. To do well in Australia batting is more important than bowling. No matter how well your attack is, if you don't have batting you are toast. You don't see scores like 250, 275, 225, 240 in 4 innings of a test in Australai. That happens only in South Africa. In Australia it will be like 450, 500, 600 atleast in one innings whenever a team wins a test. In 2004 Australia made 556 at the Adelaide. India went on to win the test by making 523 in their first innings.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Yeah and India are fortunate the teams who would fare better in those conditions (SL and Pak) either don't play in India are currently rebuilding.

oh yea india would absolutely annihilate both comfortably. I mean they wouldn't even need to take a break after a tour is completed.

 

[Aman]

Everyone goes on about us struggling traditionally are only look at the stat sheets

We drew a series with Aus in 2011 and lost in 2015 0-2 with a drs howler from Nigel Llong hurting our chances of drawing that series 1-1.

This year they destroyed us.

 

[tyron_woodley]

Everyone goes on about us struggling traditionally are only look at the stat sheets

We drew a series with Aus in 2011 and lost in 2015 0-2 with a big non call from Nigel Llong hurting our chances of drawing that series 1-1.

This year they destroyed us.

you lost the toss. the one time you won the toss you freaking chose to bowl. why?? how could kane be so naive.

n.z just don't have the batting for away conditions in SENA. Funnily enough they did alright in Lanka and beat a weakened Pakistani side away.

I said before toss matters in australia, south africa England and even n.z.

 

[jnaveen1980]

Everyone goes on about us struggling traditionally are only look at the stat sheets

We drew a series with Aus in 2011 and lost in 2015 0-2 with a drs howler from Nigel Llong hurting our chances of drawing that series 1-1.

This year they destroyed us.

So you are saying, your batting is at no fault for the shellacking and Only because of good bowling they looked like deer caught in headlights and looked worse than Pakistan tailenders?

 

[BreadPakoda]

Yeah and India are fortunate the teams who would fare better in those conditions (SL and Pak) either don't play in India are currently rebuilding.

SL has never won a test match in India. Watchya smoking?