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Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
 
Clouderson.... The guy has reached ATG status by bowling on helpful pitches
 
It’s an insult to have Hadlee’s name on the list. They guy was superb in Asia. Averaged below 22 with 5 5-wicket-hauls and 2 10-wicket-hauls. 68 wickets from 13 Tests at 21.68. And that’s a GTB?
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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:)) Kidding, right?
 
McGrath could make the ball talk on a highway on any given day. He was a champion in both the formats on any surface.
 
Hitman said:
McGrath could make the ball talk on a highway on any given day. He was a champion in both the formats on any surface.
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He did not move the ball in most cases. He himself said the match he swung the ball the most he ended up going over a 100 for no wickets. It was his “ water torture “ technique that got the best of the best of the best OUT.
 
ManFan said:
He did not move the ball in most cases. He himself said the match he swung the ball the most he ended up going over a 100 for no wickets. It was his “ water torture “ technique that got the best of the best of the best OUT.
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Making the ball talk doesn't necessarily refer to swing.
 
McGrath probably was the only one to bowl great line and length when the bowl didn't move, terrific bowler.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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On what bases did you add Asif and McGrath to the list?
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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McGrath averaged 20 in India iirc. Lille hardly played in Asia due to wsc bans and our lack of touring Asia often in those days.

Asif was very good anywhere I saw him bowl.

Quite odd also that U associate the roads regularly dished up in oz in the last 15 years as “green tops”.
 
I watched McGraths entire career. He never swung it round corners like wasim or Anderson but he knew how to swing it an inch or two either way, with new ball or old- just enough to catch the edge.

His genius was the he could do that, plus hit the seam, plus figure s guy out and mentally torture him with accuracy too. Very complete bowler, was 140s as a youngster (see 95 when he led a bouncer attack v WI on home soil- pure courage in those days seeing how hopeless he was with the bat and wi tracks were bouncy in those days) and added more and more brains and skill as he aged and slowed.
 
Rabada has out of world stats in South Africa
 
wrongun said:
McGrath averaged 20 in India iirc. Lille hardly played in Asia due to wsc bans and our lack of touring Asia often in those days.

Asif was very good anywhere I saw him bowl.

Quite odd also that U associate the roads regularly dished up in oz in the last 15 years as “green tops”.
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For your kind information, Dennis Lillee was thrashed in Test Series vs Pakistan in Pakistan. He never really deliberately wanted to tour Asia. Malcolm Marshall is the greatest bowler post 70 era. Some people are talking about McGrath, he was a flop in Test tours of Pakistan in 1994/98– Indian Test tours of 96/98/01.
 
Sarwar89 said:
For your kind information, Dennis Lillee was thrashed in Test Series vs Pakistan in Pakistan. He never really deliberately wanted to tour Asia. Malcolm Marshall is the greatest bowler post 70 era. Some people are talking about McGrath, he was a flop in Test tours of Pakistan in 1994/98– Indian Test tours of 96/98/01.
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Stop it, you’re just embarrassing yourself. I just confirmed he averaged 21 in India and 31 with 4 wickets per test in Pakistan (both very decent stats, hardly a ‘flop’).
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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You lost everyone when you included two of the all time great bowlers in all conditions...Hadlee & McGrath

Shame, because it could have been an interesting thread
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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Asif bowled really well in Pakistan....McGrath bowled on a fair few flat wickets in his own home, in fact, Australia have rarely had "green tops". Philander has bowled well on plenty of flat tracks.

I won't speak on Lillee and Hadlee and those oldies as I havent seen them but their records are spectacular.

The only ones you have that could be talked about are Hoggard, Woakes, Caddick and a few others.

Jimmy has proven himself on numerous tracks.
 
Sarwar89 said:
For your kind information, Dennis Lillee was thrashed in Test Series vs Pakistan in Pakistan. He never really deliberately wanted to tour Asia. Malcolm Marshall is the greatest bowler post 70 era. Some people are talking about McGrath, he was a flop in Test tours of Pakistan in 1994/98– Indian Test tours of 96/98/01.
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McGrath didn't even tour India in the 98 series :))
 
Well McGrath has one five-for in Asia. In his home country against the best opposition of pace bowling has a strike rate of 70+. Has one five-for in SA as well consisting of tail enders.

The OP is not completely bang out of order. He would have struggled in a weaker team IMO. He'd probably have a similar strike rate to Pollock. The superior version of these two bowlers is Ambrose. Could run through lineups in any conditions playing for a weak team as well.

I'd rate McGrath a tear bellow ATG strike bowlers Marshall, Steyn, Donald etc. He was still a great bowler though.
 
Hoggard was pretty effective everywhere in the world IIRC. I rate him higher than Anderson and Broad.
 
soso_killer said:
Well McGrath has one five-for in Asia. In his home country against the best opposition of pace bowling has a strike rate of 70+. Has one five-for in SA as well consisting of tail enders.

The OP is not completely bang out of order. He would have struggled in a weaker team IMO. He'd probably have a similar strike rate to Pollock. The superior version of these two bowlers is Ambrose. Could run through lineups in any conditions playing for a weak team as well.

I'd rate McGrath a tear bellow ATG strike bowlers Marshall, Steyn, Donald etc. He was still a great bowler though.
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I agree to most of your statement but steyn and Donald Both are a rank below than McGrath .
 
Robert said:
Hoggard was pretty effective everywhere in the world IIRC. I rate him higher than Anderson and Broad.
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Where do you rank Darren Gough?
IMO he's England's best bowler for the last 20/30 years, massively underrated.
 
soso_killer said:
Well McGrath has one five-for in Asia. In his home country against the best opposition of pace bowling has a strike rate of 70+. Has one five-for in SA as well consisting of tail enders.

The OP is not completely bang out of order. He would have struggled in a weaker team IMO. He'd probably have a similar strike rate to Pollock. The superior version of these two bowlers is Ambrose. Could run through lineups in any conditions playing for a weak team as well.

I'd rate McGrath a tear bellow ATG strike bowlers Marshall, Steyn, Donald etc. He was still a great bowler though.
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Ambrose was playing for a declining team not a weak team,there is a difference.
 
This thread lacks basis. The only conclusion i can draw is that OP wanted to push the narrative that Philander and Anderson are conditional bullies.
 
soso_killer said:
Where do you rank Darren Gough?
IMO he's England's best bowler for the last 20/30 years, massively underrated.
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Yeah I agree. He was quick, he could reverse it, he was effective overseas. Lovely action. If only he could have stayed fit, but he came before the central contracts era. He and Caddick were better than Anderson and Broad.

Fraser was really good too, he looked like a basic English seamer but had two eightfers in WI.
 
You know its troll when Glenn McGrath and Sir Richard Hadlee are being hailed as GTB/non-SC bully.

As for OP, the answer is Vernon Philander. Nobody is as good as him when the pitch has lot of assistance for bowlers.

Anderson has done well in India and UAE mind you.

Broad doesn't average 22(he averages 29) so we can say he is not as big as GTB as Philander is.
 
soso_killer said:
Well McGrath has one five-for in Asia. In his home country against the best opposition of pace bowling has a strike rate of 70+. Has one five-for in SA as well consisting of tail enders.

The OP is not completely bang out of order. He would have struggled in a weaker team IMO. He'd probably have a similar strike rate to Pollock. The superior version of these two bowlers is Ambrose. Could run through lineups in any conditions playing for a weak team as well.

I'd rate McGrath a tear bellow ATG strike bowlers Marshall, Steyn, Donald etc. He was still a great bowler though.
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Mcgrath below Steyn, Donald... Right!!! And he would struggle if in a weaker team? lolz, nice logic. Did you ever watch Mcgrath bowl? There was not a single top order batsman who wouldnt look amateur in front of Mcgrath. I dont remember seeing any other lead bowler having that kind of effect on top class batsmen!

Darren Gough was a fine bowler. Certainly one of the best bowlers from England. Still remember the hattrick he took in 97-98 in the ashes series. When bowling his quickest, he was around 146ish. Anyday better than clouderson and the cry baby!
 
Rightarmfast said:
Mcgrath below Steyn, Donald... Right!!! And he would struggle if in a weaker team? lolz, nice logic. Did you ever watch Mcgrath bowl? There was not a single top order batsman who wouldnt look amateur in front of Mcgrath. I dont remember seeing any other lead bowler having that kind of effect on top class batsmen!

Darren Gough was a fine bowler. Certainly one of the best bowlers from England. Still remember the hattrick he took in 97-98 in the ashes series. When bowling his quickest, he was around 146ish. Anyday better than clouderson and the cry baby!
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It's easy to bowl when your team racks up 400+ scores regularly. As a result the opposition look to consolidate than scoring quick runs, helps having Warne at the other end.
 
Sarwar89 said:
Who shall be voted as probably the best Green Track Bully in Modern post 1970 Cricket History?.
1) Matthew Hoggard
2) Vernon Philander
3) Jimmy Anderson
4) Andy Caddick
5) Chris Woakes
6) Trent Boult
7) Tim Southee
8) Sir Richard Haddlee
9) McGrath
10) Dennie Lillee
12) Damien Fleming
13) Muhammad Asif
14) Bhuveshnar Kumar

Definition of Green Track Bully is : He is not effective on Sub continent type pitches.

My personal opinion is Vernon Philander and JIMMY Anderson stealthe show.
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Boult and Southee destroyed Sri Lanka with reverse swing, people dont want to admit but the biggest bully was Glenn McGrath, taking wickets against Pak shouldnt count. Asif took wkts in Sri Lanka as well, Stupid to include Hadlee in this list. Philander definitely is a green track bully
 
Tim Southee has a better record in Asia than he does in NZ or England so take him off the list.

Disgraceful having Hadlee in there.
 
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