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The Eoin Morgan Thread | Is he a Craftsman, Finisher or Just Overrated?

Mobashir said:
I hope he continues to fail like he is and is dropped from English side and goes back to play for Ireland.
Hate the fact that he is not playing for his country. Selfish player.
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Yeah, because nobody should ever want to better themselves and play for the team that can help them to do so the most.
 
Just been watching it. Top quality innings, and a top quality player for limited overs internationals.

But he is not currently Test-class and will find it hard to become so now.
 
Lovely batting today, singlehandely took England to 230+
 
James said:
Just been watching it. Top quality innings, and a top quality player for limited overs internationals.

But he is not currently Test-class and will find it hard to become so now.
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OH PLEASE, If only Morgan got the number of chances that over rated buffoon Root got (the only wyte flat track bully out there). And u make it sound as if the english test batting line up is amazing. They were absolutely dismal in Aus and perhaps the only Test team that gave India a 20 wicket haul in their own home conditions recently.

Eoin Morgan has had to fight for his place ever since he wore england colours. The english never wanted to invest in him or give the boy a long run, all they want to do is reap the rewards when they do well and spit them out when the going gets tough. Rest assured after englands early exit from WC all pom fingers will be pointed at the Irishman!!
 
shortbread said:
OH PLEASE, If only Morgan got the number of chances that over rated buffoon Root got (the only wyte flat track bully out there). And u make it sound as if the english test batting line up is amazing. They were absolutely dismal in Aus and perhaps the only Test team that gave India a 20 wicket haul in their own home conditions recently.

Eoin Morgan has had to fight for his place ever since he wore england colours. The english never wanted to invest in him or give the boy a long run, all they want to do is reap the rewards when they do well and spit them out when the going gets tough. Rest assured after englands early exit from WC all pom fingers will be pointed at the Irishman!!
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James didn't mention the English test batting line-up, he mentioned Morgan.

Root was an immediate success in test matches. Morgan didn't show much aptitude for the long game. He shows great aptitude for the short game and so has had a very long run even when not in form.

BTW, unless you are an Aussie or Kiwi, it's an insult to call English people "Poms".
 
Robert said:
James didn't mention the English test batting line-up, he mentioned Morgan.

Root was an immediate success in test matches. Morgan didn't show much aptitude for the long game. He shows great aptitude for the short game and so has had a very long run even when not in form.

BTW, unless you are an Aussie or Kiwi, it's an insult to call English people "Poms".
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Well he mentioned Morgan wasn't good enough to be a test batsman for england so I had to remind him the bar isn't as high as he thinks it is. Had Morgan failed the way root did in Aus he wouldn't have had a place in the test team the next series, root's away record is nothing to write home about.

The poms have a habit of blaming the 'import' players when things go sour, KP is an excellent example. The only thing saving Morgan is that he does'nt have a fraction of KP's ego and the fact that england are desperate for a decent batsman with a respectable strike rate. They will throw him out the moment he fails a couple of times.

How Aussie or Kiwi will one have to be, will a work visa suffice or does one have to be a citizen?!
 
Robert said:
James didn't mention the English test batting line-up, he mentioned Morgan.

Root was an immediate success in test matches. Morgan didn't show much aptitude for the long game. He shows great aptitude for the short game and so has had a very long run even when not in form.

BTW, unless you are an Aussie or Kiwi, it's an insult to call English people "Poms".
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Don't believe this, a word should be able to be used by everyone or no one, not a select group of people.

Besides most people on this forum are British anyway :).

His first class average is not up to standard, but I always felt he has the potential to succeed in tests. Has the shots of course, and does show some mental toughness albeit in LOI. I think his chances came at an unfortunate time. In England against Pakistan, most batsmen didn't score much and he scored a century, though still didn't do that well overall, but it was better than most at that time. Pakistan bowled well in that series, and the English batsmen struggled. Well until the last test when Trott and Broad scored.

Then in UAE all the English batsmen did terrible along with Morgan.

Outside of those instances, Morgan did pretty well, and would have a decent record if you take out Pakistan. I feel it's a little unfair given that other senior batsmen like Bell, Pietersen and others didn't do much against Pakistan. Feel he deserves more chances in the test arena even though I did expect him to play spin much better in the UAE given his prowess against it in LOI.
 
ads101 said:
Don't believe this, a word should be able to be used by everyone or no one, not a select group of people.
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Imagine someone whom you don't have a relationship with using the same nickname for you as your brothers do. It's assuming familiarity where none exists.

As for Bell and KP, they had runs in the bank so could survive a period of relative failure. Morgan did have a harsh test baptism against A&A under heavy cloud which never lifted for four tests. But so did Root, first in India and then against the Aussies.
 
James said:
I did post that like over 2 years ago.
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Haha.....that's true, my bad.

I just feel for the set of skills he has he's really underutilized. England's quest for technical perfection in their batsmen is creating a line up with very little character.

Im pretty sure the likes of ABDV, Steven Smith, Warner would never succeed in an english set up. The orthodox stubbornness of the ageing english right wing cricket institutions is slowly killing the game in all respects. Most of these inadequacies are hidden behind the fact that they have two really gun bowlers in Anderson and Broad who are match winners. After their retirement rest of English cricket will be as poor as their limited overs side.
 
shortbread said:
Haha.....that's true, my bad.

I just feel for the set of skills he has he's really underutilized. England's quest for technical perfection in their batsmen is creating a line up with very little character.

Im pretty sure the likes of ABDV, Steven Smith, Warner would never succeed in an english set up. The orthodox stubbornness of the ageing english right wing cricket institutions is slowly killing the game in all respects. Most of these inadequacies are hidden behind the fact that they have two really gun bowlers in Anderson and Broad who are match winners. After their retirement rest of English cricket will be as poor as their limited overs side.
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And yet KP played a hundred tests, and the system produced Swann, Prior, Morgan and Buttler, and Woakes is taking big strides now.

There was a time in the early nineties when the TCCB was a gerontocracy, but the current ECB selectors are all in their forties I think.
 
Just looked up Morg's stats.

107 ODIs already.

Average 38, s/r 90 overall. He bats faster than even KP did.

But as skipper his average rises to a colossal 78.
 
Morgan is playing his 150th odi today.

He had a horrible 2014 which came after a pretty average 2013 however he seems back to his best this year (speaking of odis obviously). He's averaging 47+ with a strike rate of 98 so far in 2015. Looks set for his 3rd odi century of the year today.
 
Is anyone else impressed by Eoin Morgan?

Post WC 2015, I've been very impressed by Eoin Morgan. The England team seem to be playing a more attacking type of cricket and it shows in Morgan's batting. He's really led the England team quite well.

I've been watching the ODI series vs. the Aussies and he never seems to give up. This summer he's been averaging a staggering 74.13 in ODIs.

Whether England have actually turned over a new leaf remains to be seen, but I don't think there could be a better man for the job than Eoin.

Aaaand as I type this he's out on 92 :danish
 
He's led England well. When you're not scared to lose, the chance of you beating teams better than you greatly increases.
 
Morgan seems to do better up the order. Six was a silly place to put him. I think there was a slight technical issue with his stance in the WC too.

Now he has a team of youngsters round him and everyone seems to be thriving again.
 
Robert said:
Morgan seems to do better up the order. Six was a silly place to put him. I think there was a slight technical issue with his stance in the WC too.

Now he has a team of youngsters round him and everyone seems to be thriving again.
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It's weird how Pakistan and England both had terrible batting performances in the WC and then post WC get younger teams and start to be good again.
 
This is the usual post-WC upswing in performance that England enjoys in LOI. It lasts anywhere from a year to max two years. Then, they win or lose the ashes and turn up for the WC only to get steamrolled.

Rinse, repeat.
 
WC-Passion said:
It's weird how Pakistan and England both had terrible batting performances in the WC and then post WC get younger teams and start to be good again.
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It's not weird. They finally caught up with the rest of the world after finding out in the WC that 80s style of play doesn't work anymore.
 
WC-Passion said:
It's weird how Pakistan and England both had terrible batting performances in the WC and then post WC get younger teams and start to be good again.
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Moores made some astonishingly poor decision during the WC campaign. Dropping the slow Cook and replacing him with the even slower Ballance; Bopara dropped; Taylor, Morgan and Buttler all too low in the order; no Stokes despite him tearing up trees for the Lions, the too-predictable Anderson playing.
 
Wasn't Morgan so dreadfully out of form in the wc? When the captain is so badly out of form, hard to inspire the troops

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Robert said:
Moores made some astonishingly poor decision during the WC campaign. Dropping the slow Cook and replacing him with the even slower Ballance; Bopara dropped; Taylor, Morgan and Buttler all too low in the order; no Stokes despite him tearing up trees for the Lions, the too-predictable Anderson playing.
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Not having Stokes and Cook definitely hurt England, I''m not sure about Bopara though. Making Morgan play at 6 was a stupid idea. Anderson hasn't done too bad for England, but he is very predictable like you said.
 
Showed today that he is a very fine finisher. Didn’t let any of the bowlers settle.
 
He’s not overrated. His problem is he will go through ATGs spells but then other times he will go through extremely lean patches. That’s why it’s difficult to rate him highly. I would say he will finish as a England great which is a magnificent achievement.
 
What a champion batsman! Showet how to treat spinners!
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most 6s in a ODI innings:<br><br>17 Eoin Morgan today v Afghanistan <br>16 AB de Villiers in 2015 v West Indies<br>16 Rohit Sharma in 2013 v Australia <br>16 Chris Gayle in 2015 v Zimbabwe<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAFG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAFG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1140964195527221248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Must suck to see an Irish score for England.

How good could Ireland have been if Morgan was still there?
 
MenInG said:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Most 6s in a ODI innings:<br><br>17 Eoin Morgan today v Afghanistan <br>16 AB de Villiers in 2015 v West Indies<br>16 Rohit Sharma in 2013 v Australia <br>16 Chris Gayle in 2015 v Zimbabwe<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvAFG?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvAFG</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1140964195527221248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 18, 2019</a></blockquote>
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12 Sarfaraz Vs Everyone, Ever.
 
Clearly overrated. It’s not as though he could hit 17 sixes in an innings or anything.
 
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