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farazaidi said:
liked the way you've backtracked, didnt had any option anyway advocating for Kami :))

Please do not post BS posts like #383 unless you can back it up with facts !
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Backtracked what?

You need to consider peoples performance maturely. ...
 
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MR__KHAN__JI said:
Backtracked what?
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You: Kami is a full-time keeper and cannot be replaced by part-timer Umar.
Me: Umar has done better keeping despite being part-timer
You: best batsmen do not keep, citing examples of Sangakkara (lols)
Me: Gilchrist is an ATG one-day batsman and he kept wickets throughout his career, Sangakkara and AB are the current players. Best ODI batsman going around also keeping for their team.
You: (backtracking) Umar is best batsman, Kami best available keeper ... yada yada yada

all this while you havnt mentioned why my attitude is everything that is wrong on PP. If you cant even keep track of the argument, I wonder what goes through your head when you type all those lol-worthy posts. Do they even make sense in your head? I'm seriously curious ! :23:
 
You never judge a player on one game.

Look at his overall record.

Explain how Sarfaraz is going to be better?

If you think he will do better than put your money where your mouth is and say you think he will do better....

Then we can talk about crediblity'!!!!
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The keepers i mentioned are much better then kami no matter what.... Give them as long a run as kami got and believe me they wont be able to do worse then him bcz its impossible.

His favourite position and he scores 18 from 14 balls on a batting track. You lose credibility when you defend such a pathetic player so vigorously..... he came at number three and rather then making a big score like any normal number 3 would he just makes 18 and gets out and you are saying he did his job. :facepalm:
 
farazaidi said:
You: Kami is a full-time keeper and cannot be replaced by part-timer Umar.
Me: Umar has done better keeping despite being part-timer
You: best batsmen do not keep, citing examples of Sangakkara (lols)
Me: Gilchrist is an ATG one-day batsman and he kept wickets throughout his career, Sangakkara and AB are the current players. Best ODI batsman going around also keeping for their team.
You: (backtracking) Umar is best batsman, Kami best available keeper ... yada yada yada

all this while you havnt mentioned why my attitude is everything that is wrong on PP. If you cant even keep track of the argument, I wonder what goes through your head when you type all those lol-worthy posts. Do they even make sense in your head? I'm seriously curious ! :23:
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1) To say Umar is a better keeper than Kami is folly.

What else can I say?

2) your attitude is fine. You're a good poster.
That post on the other hand was disappointing in its nature.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
1) To say Umar is a better keeper than Kami is folly.

What else can I say?

2) your attitude is fine. You're a good poster.
That post on the other hand was disappointing in its nature.
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The question is more will umar keeping and bringing in another batsman make the batting stronger overall? Even if we do suffer a drop in keeping standard (though I disagree with this , I agree with the posters who say umar's no worse).

Or indeed if we get a keeper who's a much better keeper, will he have more net worth in terms of runs than Kamran. For example Sarfaz averages so far 19 with a lower SR. Perhaps not good enough. How many less runs does a keeper have to average less than Kamran provided that's he a decent keeper to be worth more than Kamran?

It's more about maximising the strength of the team rather than who deserves to be in the team or not. It's the same issue with Hafeez. Guy can bowl, but needs to bat, he can clearly bat and him doing well with the bat would increase his value and benefit the team. Which is why his batting's been rather disappointing to me in ODIS lately except in T20. AB's taking the gloves in all formats because he knows it'll make his team stronger. 7 proper batsmen is a lot stronger than 6 and wicket keeper. AB doesn't need to keep to get into the side.

Umar's already worth twice as much than Kamran as a batsman alone. If he keeps he'll be worth even more. So you can see why people would rather have umar keep even if he's worse with the gloves than Kamran. Kamran's someone we have to put up with his keeping despite not doing much with the bat.
 
Only on Paper.

In reality umars batting will suffer turning him into the Legion of 20 (or low 30) averaging players we have.

Umar is definitely a worse keeper than Kami.
You just have to watch Umar. He doesn't keep with the technique of a full time keeper.

It was a joke the last time they tried that experiment.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Only on Paper.

In reality umars batting will suffer turning him into the Legion of 20 (or low 30) averaging players we have.

Umar is definitely a worse keeper than Kami.
You just have to watch Umar. He doesn't keep with the technique of a full time keeper.

It was a joke the last time they tried that experiment.
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Neither does Kamran keep with the technique of a full time keeper :)))

Interestingly, his batting actually did better when keeping than when not. Three half centuries, average of 50, 7 games.

I don't really recall umar being that bad with the gloves tbh. How many catches did he drop? Did he cost us games with his wicketkeeping?
 
Kami has the technique just variable performance.

I don't have detailed drop stats.

I clearly remember him not going for catches or where a normal keeper would have.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Kami has the technique just variable performance.

I don't have detailed drop stats.

I clearly remember him not going for catches or where a normal keeper would have.
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He didn't drop/not take catches at a lower frequency than Kamran did I'm sure of it.

Kamran might look better with the gloves but always finds a way to muck up. If we criticise kamran for easy catches put down, not sure why we should criticise umar.

Umar despite not being a keeper, did far better as a batsman (even than himself non keeping) and did no worse (perhaps better) than Kamran. That's the annoying thing about it.

Rather try out someone else really. Shakeel wasn't a good option in general, Sarfaz's batting more suited for tests. There are/were guys showing potential in limited overs in domestic, but we didn't pick them. So we don't know. No idea why we went back to Kamran so quickly.
 
ads101 said:
He didn't drop/not take catches at a lower frequency than Kamran did I'm sure of it.

Kamran might look better with the gloves but always finds a way to muck up. If we criticise kamran for easy catches put down, not sure why we should criticise umar.

Umar despite not being a keeper, did far better as a batsman (even than himself non keeping) and did no worse (perhaps better) than Kamran. That's the annoying thing about it.

Rather try out someone else really. Shakeel wasn't a good option in general, Sarfaz's batting more suited for tests. There are/were guys showing potential in limited overs in domestic, but we didn't pick them. So we don't know. No idea why we went back to Kamran so quickly.
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Like I said I don't have drop stats. But remember him not going for everything and lacking technique.


I think Umar was dropped as keeper cos he didn't look a long term keeper.
 
You drop batsman like Amla twice in an over, he'll kill you! Remember Taylor's 100 in 2011 WC against us?
 
W63L35 said:
You drop batsman like Amla twice in an over, he'll kill you! Remember Taylor's 100 in 2011 WC against us?
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But but that second one was not a drop. How can Kamran ever drop a catch? Didn't you see how far away was that from him.
 
Kami is our King
He never lets the bowl in
That's why oppositions all sing
Kami is our King
 
Arsal_AK said:
But but that second one was not a drop. How can Kamran ever drop a catch? Didn't you see how far away was that from him.
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He was not quick enough. Had he tried in time.... it was a regulation catch.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
He was moving the other way. .... That's why it looks slow to the untrained eye


It was a big inside edge on a pacy pitch
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Please, help me. I too want to see things with the trained eye. Then I would be able to appreciate the perfection that is Akmal.
 
Arsal_AK said:
Please, help me. I too want to see things with the trained eye. Then I would be able to appreciate the perfection that is Akmal.
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Read the earlier post and u will see...

Kami is far frim perfect. There must be a problem with ur analysis if u think hes perfect
 
Hes always been heavy footed, not flexible enough A good keeper wouldve got something on the chance This guy is nothing but a glorified backstopper
 
He plays out too many dot balls with the odd boundary Just doesnt know how to rotate the strike rate effectively
 
If you take out his boundaries balls he made 14 off 38 off the rest of the deliveries
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Done a job. But we needed a few more.

Would have got nothing lower down....
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Tell me, would Sarf, not the most ideal man, have done a better job keeping and gotten bout 10 runs less with a similar S/R lower down?

Remember, Kami dropped a guy who made a 100
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
What is Sarfraz average?
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I said 10 runs less. And if you want his average in the past twoyears, the RELEVANT one

23.11, which means he would have contributed ten less down the order :)

And if Kami can't score away from his preferred position, it's rich to ask that Sarf can
 
Reverselap said:
I said 10 runs less. And if you want his average in the past twoyears, the RELEVANT one

23.11, which means he would have contributed ten less down the order :)

And if Kami can't score away from his preferred position, it's rich to ask that Sarf can
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What's his average?
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
He hasnt dropped any this series... :)

And Sarf is known to drop a few.
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sir i understand your pain, the thing you are humiliating, facing against entire PP and lowering your cerdibility just like MRSN just to keep last breathing support for kamran, i understand your sacrifice

kamran akmal, many died in your love :)
 
HaMmy FinE LeG StriKeR said:
sir i understand your pain, the thing you are humiliating, facing against entire PP and lowering your cerdibility just like MRSN just to keep last breathing support for kamran, i understand your sacrifice

kamran akmal, many died in your love :)
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Kami is rubbish. .... but to replace him with someone worse can't be clever... surely?
 
Zaz said:
How about trying someone like rizwan?

Why do we have to accept mediocrity?
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I have no problem with trying someone new. ...

But I need someone to give me some small bit of inclination that he will do better than. ...


Sarf
Zoni
Adnan
Salman
Shakil
 
Just how many failures do we need to get this guy kicked out for good.

Khan ji, did he bat well today?
 
Kamran Akmal - Perhaps the worst player in the history of international cricket. Not even Imran Farhat or Faisal Iqbal have cost us as many games as this hack.
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Nothing special. ... Just better than the alternatives.
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How does one have to be better than him? If for sake of argument that we do not have a better option but an equal than I would take that person versus KA, reason being of KA's advancing age and slowing reflexes. I am looking to 2015 World Cup and Kami does not fit in the plans (not that he fits in current plans either).
 
BakuGM said:
How does one have to be better than him? If for sake of argument that we do not have a better option but an equal than I would take that person versus KA, reason being of KA's advancing age and slowing reflexes. I am looking to 2015 World Cup and Kami does not fit in the plans (not that he fits in current plans either).
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Someone has to be better. ... Otherwise we will lose more games.
 
Why Kamran Akmal Why?

You were playing so well, but what was the need of that shot


I am really sad, you didn't need do an U.Akmal brain fart.




:kami
 
Try to get his 50 in style.

What an idiot, can he not maintain some discipline and see his innings through.
 
He throws it away always after getting a good start - nothing new here
 
We needed him to stay, he has no patience at all.

It like this disease run through Akmal Family of not enough patience
 
because younis the retard wasnt even taking singles to keep the run rate up so obviously akmal was feeling the pressure
 
Kami only needs starts to do his job. .... He plays risky to get us a head start
 
MR__KHAN__JI said:
Kami only needs starts to do his job. .... He plays risky to get us a head start
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Shocking you can justify that it is ok for a player to only gets starts and get out,

20s and 30s are not good enough for someone who bats in the top order - it puts us in positions like this, we need players who can go on and score big

If he wants to bat at top he has to do that or make way
 
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Zaz said:
20s and 30s are not good enough for someone who bats in the top order - it puts us in positions like this, we need players who can go on and score big

If he wants to bat at top he has to do that or make way
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It is for a "pinch hitter"...

He's not part of the real top 6....
 
^.. he threw away the wicket whch wa useless... And am not a person who support a player blindly just by the Name even if he fails Hundred times... I just need better player to get more chances than these TTF's who keeps on Failing game after game..... and Drop after drops..
 
He threw his wicket away. ... Thats what a pinch hitter does...

Scores some quickfire runs. .. then gives his wicket away cos he's playing risky. ..
 
Can't believe u r criticising him for scoring the highest score in a final. ...

Epic facepalms. ..
 
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