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I feel like T20 franchise cricket will soon become the dominant form of the game and occupy 3-6 months of the annual calendar.

What us fans need to quickly realize the international ODI’s and international T20’s are quickly becoming a relic of the past - non point in keeping our heads in the sand… As a result- there is a dire need for CHANGE

1. Get rid of Test cricket immediately. It is a money losing concept and a relic of the past..

2. Firstly the concept of the Asia Cup is great but now it needs to be expanded upon. Also need to add Australia and New Zealand to make it an Asia Pacific Cup to increase competitiveness. In Europe - England, Scotland, Ireland and Netherlands can also forms EURO cup whilst adding WI to the mix as well. Do it every 4 years.

3. Keep the ODI WC and WorldT20 every 4 years with alternating cycles so that the regional continental cups are played back to back with the World Cups so that in a four year cycle - there is only one gap year with no tournament.

4. Lastly and most importantly - we need to rid ourselves of the bilateral tours concept immediately. It is a money losing concept and not sustainable any longer with Franchise T20. What we need to do is introduce a World Super League for ODI’s and T20’s. Everyone plays everyone home and away (no Govt Clearance nonsense please…) every year and the winner of the league is granted a trophy. EVERY ODI and T20 will have context and this will ensure fan interest and survival of international cricket.

To summarize:

- Pakistan will compete in Asia Pacific trophy every 4 years

- Pakistan will compete in ODI Super League Annually

- Pakistan will compete in T20 Super League annually

- Pakistan will compete in WorldT20 every 4 years

- Pakistan will compete in ODI World Cup every 4 years

Discuss :)
 
For sides like Australia, England & India, Test cricket is a money-maker. Especially Australia and England with the Ashes. They won't be giving that almost 150 year tradition anytime soon just because a poster on a cricket forum thinks cricket will be the same as football with the regional cups etc.

Try booking a seat for a Test at Lords early in advance and unless you're a member or invited you'll find you have to apply through a lottery system & if you don't get tickets there you better hope there's still tickets leftover.
 
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Test cricket is the national sport of ENG, AUS. Why will they lose it ?

Even if entire world stops playing test cricket, those 2 will keep playing Ashes unless Ashes gets 0 crowds/ TRP's
 
Snatch said:
For sides like Australia, England & India, Test cricket is a money-maker. Especially Australia and England with the Ashes. They won't be giving that almost 150 year tradition anytime soon just because a poster on a cricket forum thinks cricket will be the same as football with the regional cups etc.

Try booking a seat for a Test at Lords early in advance and unless you're a member or invited you'll find you have to apply through a lottery system & if you don't get tickets there you better hope there's still tickets leftover.
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AamchiMumbaikar said:
Test cricket is the national sport of ENG, AUS. Why will they lose it ?

Even if entire world stops playing test cricket, those 2 will keep playing Ashes unless Ashes gets 0 crowds/ TRP's
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Are you guys sure it’s a money maker?

How many English fans have you ever met that are passionate about cricket? Hardly none.

Supposed I assume that it is - are young players really investing their time, energy and livelihoods just to play one team every two years in an outdated format? I doubt it.. Think about it - does a soccer player become a professional just to play one team every few years? No he / she does so because of his / her passion and the financial windfall to escape poverty.

Cricket is a dying sport and Test cricket even more so…
 
ODIs are in danger to be honest.

Several Boards are targeting T20Is over ODIs and the number of ODIs being played I reckon is probably dwindling.

Sad really, as I enjoy watching ODIs.
 
Saj said:
ODIs are in danger to be honest.

Several Boards are targeting T20Is over ODIs and the number of ODIs being played I reckon is probably dwindling.

Sad really, as I enjoy watching ODIs.
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Absolutely agree - that’s why I proposed scrapping meaningless bilateral ODI’s and instead doing an annual ODI Super League where every country plays each other home and away with the winner being which ever team has the most points
 
msb314 said:
Absolutely agree - that’s why I proposed scrapping meaningless bilateral ODI’s and instead doing an annual ODI Super League where every country plays each other home and away with the winner being which ever team has the most points
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Nah it should be bilateral T20s they should scrap. The only international T20s should be the T20 world cup.

ODIs require more skills and mental strength than T20s
 
Test cricket is the most important format for the English, Aussies, and the boomers from Pakistan and India. It’s not going.

But eventually it will fade out as the younger gen wants instant gratification type high that you get from t20s.

ODIs need more relevance aside from WCs.

They need to go back to the rule set of the 90s for ODIs imo which had the best ODI games. Also bring back Tri series. That will differentiate it more in the eyes of the casual fan.
 
Part of the reason cricket hasn’t caught on in parts of the world is that it is far too hard to understand with all the different formats. ODI’s should be a thing of the part. With two new balls it does not offer anything different from a T20. Make the World Cup every 4 years instead of the 2 years nonsense so that there is actually some hype. Bilateral series should also give way to the extension of leagues once the global player pool expands.

T20 is the only format that can take the game forward and become a truly global sport.

Test cricket can be played among Ind, Aus, Eng and perhaps SA.
 
lorda mercy, the answer to pointless odis is not to get rid of tests, lol.

its easy, scrap bilateral odis and t20s, have the t20 world cup every 4 years, the odi world cup 4 years, the champs trophy every two years in the middle alternating formats for whichever format world cup is to follow. this will take between 2 weeks to 4 weeks every year.

limit tests to the teams that play world test champs. per team that will be about 3 to 4 months home season. rest of time let them play leagues.
 
Snatch said:
Nah it should be bilateral T20s they should scrap. The only international T20s should be the T20 world cup.

ODIs require more skills and mental strength than T20s
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ElRaja said:
lorda mercy, the answer to pointless odis is not to get rid of tests, lol.

its easy, scrap bilateral odis and t20s, have the t20 world cup every 4 years, the odi world cup 4 years, the champs trophy every two years in the middle alternating formats for whichever format world cup is to follow. this will take between 2 weeks to 4 weeks every year.

limit tests to the teams that play world test champs. per team that will be about 3 to 4 months home season. rest of time let them play leagues.
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I do not understand - if we are scrapping T20’s and ODI’s outside of world cups, how will teams prepare for these tournaments? On what basis will players be selected and how will teams come up with a strategy to implement?

I agree the current bilateral format of doing month long “tours” is not sustainable but we have to do an ICC league which starts and concludes every year so that LOI outside of world cups have meaningful context..
 
Suleiman said:
Test cricket is the most important format for the English, Aussies, and the boomers from Pakistan and India. It’s not going.

But eventually it will fade out as the younger gen wants instant gratification type high that you get from t20s.

ODIs need more relevance aside from WCs.

They need to go back to the rule set of the 90s for ODIs imo which had the best ODI games. Also bring back Tri series. That will differentiate it more in the eyes of the casual fan.
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I guess you answered the question yourself that whilst Tests are still somewhat popular amongst purists and some players - there is no way a young player in this day and age will give up other career options just to play an Ashes test series every two years on a peanuts salary whilst his / her colleagues are making millions playing in franchise T20.

For that reason alone - Tests need to go. Plain and simple..
 
msb314 said:
I do not understand - if we are scrapping T20’s and ODI’s outside of world cups, how will teams prepare for these tournaments? On what basis will players be selected and how will teams come up with a strategy to implement?

I agree the current bilateral format of doing month long “tours” is not sustainable but we have to do an ICC league which starts and concludes every year so that LOI outside of world cups have meaningful context..
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leagues for t20, list-a and odi champs trophy for odi world cup, and u can have some bilaterals in run up to world cup, its not a blanket ban, just dont need em in non odi world cup years.
 
ODIs will run until it runs out of sponsors.

Sharjah Cup or Tri nation type thing were fun to watch.
 
msb314 said:
I guess you answered the question yourself that whilst Tests are still somewhat popular amongst purists and some players - there is no way a young player in this day and age will give up other career options just to play an Ashes test series every two years on a peanuts salary whilst his / her colleagues are making millions playing in franchise T20.

For that reason alone - Tests need to go. Plain and simple..
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Nah I don’t think that’s the reason. Plenty of Aussie and English players view tests and especially the Ashes very VERY highly and don’t think t20s are all that important except for IPL / BBL for the money. Just look at what Mitch Starc said recently.

When you combine t20 league contracts with tests, then money isn’t an issue.

Personally, I’m on the fence. Tests have their own charm. They are the foundation of cricket. I do think eventually they will go, but it will be due to viewership, not due to players not caring.

They’ll disappear on their own when they’re not worth the trouble anymore. Probably in 10-20 years. Maybe then ODI will have a place as a “longer” format.
 
Suleiman said:
Nah I don’t think that’s the reason. Plenty of Aussie and English players view tests and especially the Ashes very VERY highly and don’t think t20s are all that important except for IPL / BBL for the money. Just look at what Mitch Starc said recently.

When you combine t20 league contracts with tests, then money isn’t an issue.

Personally, I’m on the fence. Tests have their own charm. They are the foundation of cricket. I do think eventually they will go, but it will be due to viewership, not due to players not caring.

They’ll disappear on their own when they’re not worth the trouble anymore. Probably in 10-20 years. Maybe then ODI will have a place as a “longer” format.
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That’s the issue buddy.

I order to play IPL / PSL / BBL etc. you have to be a marketable T20 star playing international T20’s. To those saying bilateral T20’s need to be scrapped - it doesn’t work that way because international players develop their T20 reputation playing bilaterals and then get franchise T20 opportunities.

Basically a Test player playing in the Ashes every two years will NOT get franchise T20 opportunities- it’s simply a mismatch in skill level. So that’s why no one would want to play Tests so that they don’t get pigeonholed..

Yes there are exceptions like players who play all three formats but those are exceedingly rare (I.e Williamson, Kohli, Babar etc.)
 
msb314 said:
That’s the issue buddy.

I order to play IPL / PSL / BBL etc. you have to be a marketable T20 star playing international T20’s. To those saying bilateral T20’s need to be scrapped - it doesn’t work that way because international players develop their T20 reputation playing bilaterals and then get franchise T20 opportunities.

Basically a Test player playing in the Ashes every two years will NOT get franchise T20 opportunities- it’s simply a mismatch in skill level. So that’s why no one would want to play Tests so that they don’t get pigeonholed..

Yes there are exceptions like players who play all three formats but those are exceedingly rare (I.e Williamson, Kohli, Babar etc.)
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Football doesn't have these meaningless bilateral series and there are plenty of people getting scouted from the most obscure parts of the world.

In recent times players like Tim David, Livingstone, etc. all made their name in various leagues around the world before they even played for their country so your point is mute. Going forward, with the number of league countries would be selecting their best T20 players based on their performances in the leagues instead of what you're suggesting which is that leagues pick players based on performances at the international level.
 
Chip32 said:
Football doesn't have these meaningless bilateral series and there are plenty of people getting scouted from the most obscure parts of the world.

In recent times players like Tim David, Livingstone, etc. all made their name in various leagues around the world before they even played for their country so your point is mute. Going forward, with the number of league countries would be selecting their best T20 players based on their performances in the leagues instead of what you're suggesting which is that leagues pick players based on performances at the international level.
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Football / Soccer is different. They have a huge talent pool of players to select and thousands of clubs all over the world that develop / recruit players. Plus international football / soccer does not have the same level of nationalism associated with it as does cricket in India / Pakistan.

Meanwhile cricket is restricted to Franchise T20 leagues across 8 countries - of which only IPL, PSL and BBL are noteworthy right now.

The examples you gave anyway of Tim David and Tom Livingstone doesn’t apply because they are not Test specialists. They did not (and neither would most young players) invest their time / skills in Test cricket which would only earn them a paltry salary playing Ashes once every two years when they can become marketable T20 players earning millions.
 
ElRaja said:
leagues for t20, list-a and odi champs trophy for odi world cup, and u can have some bilaterals in run up to world cup, its not a blanket ban, just dont need em in non odi world cup years.
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Chip32 said:
Football doesn't have these meaningless bilateral series and there are plenty of people getting scouted from the most obscure parts of the world.

In recent times players like Tim David, Livingstone, etc. all made their name in various leagues around the world before they even played for their country so your point is mute. Going forward, with the number of league countries would be selecting their best T20 players based on their performances in the leagues instead of what you're suggesting which is that leagues pick players based on performances at the international level.
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Selecting the best players from Franchise T20 leagues and List -A and calling them for national duty for a WorldT20 is not going to work because players play different roles for franchises than they do for national teams. You won’t have time to train or have any sort of tactics in place in time.

Plus I’d suspect many players will start “opting” out of WorldT20 due to lack of interest and commitment after not having played internationally for so long..

Just look at the way WI have gone. Lots of talented players but no interest repressing WI any longer when the cash cow is Franchise T20..

International LOI is still needed and I propose doing a Super League that starts and concludes every year run by the ICC. Both for ODI’s and T20’s
 
Jake Fraser-McGurk has blasted a world-record 29-ball century in the Marsh One-Day Cup, the fastest white-ball century ever scored.

After South Australia conceded a record 9-435, Fraser-McGurk got the run chase off to an extraordinary start in an astonishing onslaught that eclipsed AB de Villiers' previous record of 31 balls for the fastest one-day century.

It is the fastest limited-overs ton scored in a professional match, while the 21-year-old's 18-ball fifty was the quickest by an Australian in 50-over cricket.

He needed just 11 deliveries to go from 50 to 100 as the Redbacks reached 0-160 after 10 overs.

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This dude has scored has century in first 10 overs.. Will we see this happening in CWC 2023.
 
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Jake Fraser-McGurk has blasted a world-record 29-ball century in the Marsh One-Day Cup, the fastest white-ball century ever scored.

After South Australia conceded a record 9-435, Fraser-McGurk got the run chase off to an extraordinary start in an astonishing onslaught that eclipsed AB de Villiers' previous record of 31 balls for the fastest one-day century.

It is the fastest limited-overs ton scored in a professional match, while the 21-year-old's 18-ball fifty was the quickest by an Australian in 50-over cricket.

He needed just 11 deliveries to go from 50 to 100 as the Redbacks reached 0-160 after 10 overs.

www.cricket.com.au

Fraser-McGurk blasts fastest ever one-day century | cricket.com.au

South Australia's Jake Fraser-McGurk has rewritten the record books with an astonishing onslaught at...
www.cricket.com.au www.cricket.com.au

This dude has scored has century in first 10 overs.. Will we see this happening in CWC 2023.
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Yes, I think Imam ul Haq will do it in 28 balls vs India in the Narender Modi stadium.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Yes, I think Imam ul Haq will do it in 28 balls vs India in the Narender Modi stadium.
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Didn't Don brandman do it in 22 balls? Don't see how this is the fastest.

International wise 100 of 31 by de Villiers is still the fastest. This isn't International.
 
As long as we are having matches like we are having right now, ODI cricket is going nowhere.
 
I stopped reading when I saw , get rid of Test Cricket. Test Cricket is mother of cricket , that is where players develop there skills.
 
A long time ago I said odi cricket should go the way of dinosaurs. I guess the PCB thinks the same way. ODI cricket is long, boring and unnecessary now that we have the much much more exciting T20 format.

Ask the majority of kids and they will tell you they prefer t20 cricket. Every single member of my family and all my friends say that odis are too long, they don't have time to watch a full day of cricket. Cricket must move on.
 
I remember the last four t20 world cups, my family and friends watched every single Pakistan match in full. I guess most of you are the same. I promise you that I don't think any of watched a single ODI match, even with Pakistan during the 2015/2019 WCs.

ODI cricket is terrible. It took a dramatic final in 2019 to keep it alive but on that day I was more interested in the Wimbledon final.
 
One day cricket is finished - we are not far away when two bowling machines are posted in front of umpires to throw-down and 11 slogs, one after another.

And, these commis - what a shitty job they had to do for money …these guys have played at highest level for years, now for few bucks more, they need to sell this disgusting show with their words & expertise.
 
MMHS said:
One day cricket is finished - we are not far away when two bowling machines are posted in front of umpires to throw-down and 11 slogs, one after another.

And, these commis - what a shitty job they had to do for money …these guys have played at highest level for years, now for few bucks more, they need to sell this disgusting show with their words & expertise.
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Tests and t20 are all that matters.
 
So now the ODI World Cup has nearly ended.

What now for ODIs? From now till the 2027 World Cup, and a brief period in the 2025 Champions Trophy, the situation is:

ODI matches will feel useless, meaningless, and as a consequence, hardly anyone will watch it.

Whats the solution?

The solution is to create a situation that is the reverse of the current situation, where out of 4 years, ODIs only have a context and purpose for 2 months.

And that would mean:

Creating the World ODI Championship

This league would be played in a two-year cycle alongside the World Test Championship. In the first division, named "World ODI Championship" have 13 Teams. Everyone plays everyone (except for India-Pakistan unfortunately, and please I dont want to talk about this in this thread, lets just move on from it). So every team would play 6 Home ODI Series and 6 Away ODI series in a two-year span. All of those ODI series can only 3-matches, and so every ODI series from now on can only 3-matches only, nothing less and nothing more.

At the end of the two years, when all the matches are complete, the teams that would finish 12th and 13th place are automatically relegated to division 2, while the team that finishes 11th place will play a 3-match relegation play-off series versus the team that finished 3rd place in division 2.

The Teams that finish top 8 will qualify for the Champions Trophy.

But best of all: The top 4 teams will then qualify for a 3-match series semi-finals (1st vs 4th and 2nd vs 3rd), and 3-match series finals. These semi-finals and finals will be played in one country in approx. a months span.

Simple, every ODI match has a context which is its part of a league, rather than being a bilateral series. 3-match series is the best number in todays day and age, 5 or 4 is too much.
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So now, in order for the above to happen, we cant then have an ODI World Cup alongside a World ODI Championship, since its essentially the same thing, and so wouldn't make sense. What do we do:

First of all, remove emotions, nostalgia and bias feelings. Now, remove the ODI World Cup, and Have the T20 World Cup that would be played in the time slot of the ODI World Cup, so from here the T20 World Cup would be 2024, 2027, 2031, 2035.
 
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Here is what the Three ODI divisions would look like:

Division 1 - World ODI Championship
1. India
2. South Africa
3. Australia
4. New Zealand
5. Pakistan
6. Afghanistan
7. England
8. Bangladesh
9. Sri Lanka
10. Netherlands
11. Zimbabwe
12. West Indies
13. Ireland
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Division 2
1. Scotland
2. Oman
3. Nepal
4. Namibia
5. United Arab Emirates
6. United States
7. Papua New Guinea
8. Canada
9. Hong Kong
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Division 3
1. Denmark
2. Uganda
3. Qatar
4. Singapore
5. Jersey
6. Vanuatu
7. Malaysia
8. Kenya
9. Italy
10. Bermuda
 
If this change were to happen right now, then:

1. Announce the 2023 ODI World Cup to be the least ever ODI World Cup and replace it with the World ODI Championship.

2. Create a schedule and time span for this World ODI Championship, which would be two-years and the starting and ending in even years, so the first one will start in 2024 - 2026 (which should be the same as the World Test Championship, so that it doesnt conflict with the T20 WC which will be played by me in odd years, every 4 years).

3. Since Australia and New Zealand were meant to host the original 2026 T20 WC, since that is no longer happening, instead have Australia host the semi-finals and finals of the World ODI Championship. And so the 2027 T20 WC will be hosted by South Africa, Namibia, Zimbabwe.

4. Get rid of WTC Finals, so that there is room for the WODI Championship semi-finals and finals. There isn't really time for WTC Finals imo, and it really doesnt make sense if its going to be 1 match only.
 
I agree that bilaterals need something to make them interesting but this approach is too complex.

In principle a league system should work but getting rid of the world cup takes away the most entertaining combination - context + high intensity one off pressure games.

You lose that x factor plus cricketing heritage if you get rid of the world cup.

I'd advocate this league based format and then a world cup that is a bit more ruthless and not a 9 game per team type of tournament.
 
They can get rid of international T20 that way world T20. Keep T20 for leagues which is expanding all the time. Anyway players make money only there not in international T20s. This way ICC will get window for ODIs and Tests. Everybody is happy. International T20 is the most meaningless competition which is largely used for exposing noobs.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I agree that bilaterals need something to make them interesting but this approach is too complex.

In principle a league system should work but getting rid of the world cup takes away the most entertaining combination - context + high intensity one off pressure games.

You lose that x factor plus cricketing heritage if you get rid of the world cup.

I'd advocate this league based format and then a world cup that is a bit more ruthless and not a 9 game per team type of tournament.
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T20 World Cup is there to be "The Cricket World Cup"

Reasons:
(1) T20 is the most global format of cricket - more countries, allowing the possibility fo a 20-team world cup, assuming and hoping that these 20 teams can compete at the same level

(1) means more upset wins by smaller teams

(2) T20 is the most valuable format of cricket
 
All possible in a vaccum

But the real world sadly works differently

The revenue from the league matches will be taken by the member boards. Nothing will go to associates

The revenue from the World Cup and CT is taken by the ICC- which distributes it to member boards plus keeps a proportion for ASSOCIATES so cricket can grow in more than 10 countries

Plus why have ODI cricket without a World Cup? The 50 year old legacy of the World Cup is the only thing keeping ODIs alive
 
jnaveen1980 said:
They can get rid of international T20 that way world T20. Keep T20 for leagues which is expanding all the time. Anyway players make money only there not in international T20s. This way ICC will get window for ODIs and Tests. Everybody is happy. International T20 is the most meaningless competition which is largely used for exposing noobs.
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Yes great point. Don't get rid of international T20s, but significantly reduce it by no longer having 5-match, 3-match, 4-match t20 series. Because end of the day, T20 international matches are the most watched by fans.

Instead two teams on a tour can only play 1 (or max 2) T20i matches against each other, and the naming will be T20i friendlies rather than T20i series
 
This wouldn't work without ODI World Cup.

If you kill it, the banter and romance of ODI dies.

Your league system is good but it has to be balanced by the ODI World Cup.
 
Bilal Ahmad15 said:
Yes great point. Don't get rid of international T20s, but significantly reduce it by no longer having 5-match, 3-match, 4-match t20 series. Because end of the day, T20 international matches are the most watched by fans.

Instead two teams on a tour can only play 1 (or max 2) T20i matches against each other, and the naming will be T20i friendlies rather than T20i series
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Problem with international T20 is almost all bilaterals consist of C team D team. Not super stars. India vs Pakistan was an anamoly. So many matches happened infront of empty stadium in the world T20. When T20s were new almost all teams played their full strenght sides. It was a spectacle. Not anymore. They send some random guys from Junior teams. That is how they manage workload.
 
ODI cricket is awful. This isn't 2001. Nobody has time to watch a 8 hour game. Just kill the format and move on
 
Youtube and Museums the future of ODI cricket, a sad reality earlier there use to be ODI game highlights of atleast 30mins now the highlights are under 10mins with no replay of shots and audio of second commie, thats the economics
 
ODI cricket is very close to test cricket and it actually tests the skills of both bowlers and batter in 1 day. T20 cricket grabs more money and the crowd comes in to watch it as well but it is not the format you want your batter and bowlers to improve. They cannot..
 
T20 should be limited to leagues. The ICC should hold an annual T20 league akin to the Champions League, to be competed by the top T20 teams of the Test playing nations.

International Cricket should be limited to Test Cricket & ODI.
 
I think limiting ODIs is a way forward. They should only be played a year before any ODI World Cup, and then we should have a mix of T20s and Tests. This way, ODIs can be kept alive; otherwise, if the same bilateral ODI series keep happening, it will die very soon.
 
If we do not have the ODI format in future World Cups, I don't think we will ever have a mega event in cricket again.
 
mominsaigol said:
Odi isn't going anywhere. This odi is dying drama has been around since 2007 lol
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and yet we keep hearing that teams are playing fewer and fewer ODIs. Pakistan has no ODIs schedule for almost a year.

It is clearly dying if boards are not scheduling them and if players and fans prefer the longer format.

I for one will be glad when the ODI format is killed once and for all. A calendar with Tests and T20s is the way to go.
 
ODI is clearly overshadowed by T20s that’s why less numbers of ODI played during the year. England team dismal performance in WC 2023 clearly reflects they wants to from ODI to T20 & Hundreds
 
I literally don't see a single ODI scheduled for 2024 so far. It's absured.
 
The T10 and The Hundred leagues have damaged Test and ODI formats. I never enjoy watching such formats because how can it be fun??? if we are getting results quickly and just watching batters smashing balls!!!Then what is the purpose of bowlers???? For me, the real charm of cricket is quality bowling. The ICC should never consider T10 or The Hundred for international events.
 
bones said:
and yet we keep hearing that teams are playing fewer and fewer ODIs. Pakistan has no ODIs schedule for almost a year.

It is clearly dying if boards are not scheduling them and if players and fans prefer the longer format.

I for one will be glad when the ODI format is killed once and for all. A calendar with Tests and T20s is the way to go.
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Okay
 
bones said:
and yet we keep hearing that teams are playing fewer and fewer ODIs. Pakistan has no ODIs schedule for almost a year.

It is clearly dying if boards are not scheduling them and if players and fans prefer the longer format.

I for one will be glad when the ODI format is killed once and for all. A calendar with Tests and T20s is the way to go.
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There is too much of an extreme in scales between T20 and Tests, one is 40 overs total, the other is 5 days.

Basically my proposed World ODI Championship will bring meaning and purpose to ODI matches.
 
Wasim Akram spoke about the future of ODI cricket on commentary during the Australia-Pakistan Perth Test. He said:

"There’ll be another 50-over World Cup? God, do something about ODIs,”

"It’s just too long. The format has disappeared, especially the bilateral series. It’s a very different format from T20 and Test cricket, it’s kind of in between. You have to be a specialist."

“The only problem is that ODI cricket, for me, is from the 10th to the 40th over, most of the time nothing happens. Teams are going at four-an-over and the bowling side is saying, okay, we will give you four-an-over. The last ten and the first ten overs, the powerplays, are more exciting and that’s where something has to be done, I think.”

On being asked what changes he would want to bring to ODIs, he said: “I’ll probably go 40 overs instead of 50 because the attention span is gone. It’s disappearing a bit because of the T20 format. Test cricket is the ultimate, no doubt.”

Akram also spoke about Sachin Tendulkar’s repeated suggestions to split an ODI match into four innings of 25 overs each. “Somebody mentioned, the great Sachin as well, to play four innings [of 25 overs each], that means the whole game will go on for probably three days. I did play one game in 2001 in Cardiff of two innings, 25 overs each, it was too long. It was interesting, but it was too long, the changeover and everything.”
 
hassan918 said:
“The only problem is that ODI cricket, for me, is from the 10th to the 40th over, most of the time nothing happens. Teams are going at four-an-over and the bowling side is saying, okay, we will give you four-an-over. The last ten and the first ten overs, the powerplays, are more exciting and that’s where something has to be done, I think.”
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Rubbish. Who on Earth bats at 4 an over in modern day ODI cricket between overs 10 and 40?
 
Whether fans like it or not, the future will be Tests (played by India, England and Australia predominantly, but not exclusively) and T20 cricket.

Atherton was predicting this five years ago, in his column in The Times, and time has shown how prescient he was (as usual).

Look at how much (or rather, how little) 50 over matches the major sides are plying over the next couple of years — an increasingly meaningless format buoyed by the prestige (currently) of the World Cup.
 
Wasim finds it boring between 10th and 40th over in ODI. but did he actually enjoy Imam's attrition cricket in the Test? Not all the teams go at 4 in that passage. It depends on the pitch, depends on the pressure, depends on the bowling quality, depends on the batting depth. 50 overs is still a lot of overs. Teams would not want to collapse. So they like to take a bit of time. In T20 worry about losing wicket is slightly less. But truth is even there collapse can force teams to bat slowly. There is so much nuances in cricket. A legend like Wasim equating entertainment "scoring rate" is disappointing. In the world cup we saw 400 totals also we saw 80 all out.
 
I believe one bad thing that shorter formats have done they have squeezed the interest out of longer formats and thus players with great hitting ability are getting more fame than ones who have really solid and awesome techniques.
 
Jos Buttler, while addressing the press conference ahead of the first ODI against India:

"I'm unsure (about ODI's future). I've really enjoyed 50-over cricket. It's always been one of my favourite formats. But it's certainly been pushed a little bit towards the margins in the recent years and the way scheduling is, and obviously the rise of T20 and franchise cricket."

"But I still believe if you talk to guys about winning a World Cup, they'd probably say a 50-over World Cup ahead of a T20 World Cup at the moment. Whether that continues to be the case moving forward, I don't know."

"But the schedules are always the thing. If you can get the best players on the park, playing against each other in whatever the format, I think people are always going to be excited to watch it."
 
in this busy world nobody bothers to watch cricket whole day so i think ODI is just a dying format... i prefer to watch t20 cricket which always keeps u up from the seat and doesnt eat much of ur time. so yeah my pick would be T20 cricket.
 
Attention span is the problem. People have time. But don't have enough attention span to follow the different phases of ODIs unless they are entertaining. Especially people constructing innings with singles, twos don't appeal to people anymore. They don't like to watch things like "falling defense", "kneeling down and hitting the air", "pretending to have cramps" :)
 
I was always a fan of Tri Series as i grew up watching legendary tri series in the 90s and early 2000s and After witnessing a couple of high quality matches in the Tri series in Pakistan, i am once again convinced we need more of these in the international calendar.

Tri Series are far more serious and competitive than your regular bilateral series and they prepare teams for knock out style matches.

Pakistan just hosted a mini tri series and already we saw virtual quarterfinal , semi final level intensity.

South Africa may have lost this match but the practice they got from this will make them well prepared for the Champions Trophy.

On the other hand, Bharat which has just crushed England 3-0 did not get to play any knock out style matches which is all that matters.
 
This was a good series and I agree with you....but it wasn't like the tri series of old that have multiple rounds before the final. It was crammed and condensed because there is no time for a proper tri series in the cricketing calendar
 
Exactly TriSeries give meaning to games unlike lame bilaterals.

But then again it's the finances which are hurdle like Ind v Eng game is more profitable than Eng v WI game
 
Controversial opinion, but if BCCI had organised some good quality Tri series during the last two decades, we would have at least one more trophy. Our team doesn’t respond great to high pressure non Pakistan matches.
 
Test Cricket cannot be replaced. Its simply absurd.
It is backbone of cricket system.

In order to make OD more entertaining , you need to cut batting dominance and bring balance between bat and ball.
Get rid of two balls.
Allow two bouncers every over.
Make boundary ropes larger.
Abolish the free hit , no ball should be just no ball.
Modify power plays. There has to be two blocks of 5 overs power plays , batting side will chose , one with in first 25 overs and 5 in next 25 overs. Rest of the overs 5 fielders allowed outside.
 
These are great ideas.

Personally i feel the way forward are international tournaments. And franchise t20 cricket. I like the idea of a world t20 super league but I don’t think teams will agree to it as it’s a lot of travelling and differing incomes from games.

Also while I love the odi format I think t20 will become the singular format. It’s just far easier to promote a one format in sport and thus compete with the other major sports.

I think fans don’t want things to change clinging to traditional ways. But cricket’s main competitors are the other major sports like football, tennis. If we keep allowing cricket to match up badly against them cricket will continue to die and lose interest amongst the younger audiences. In uk it’s already near dead, yes they still have good teams and cricket in private schools. But interest in the younger fan base is almost non existent. And the ones who are usually Asian who often support non England teams.
 
We really need to replace bilaterals with proper WC Qualifiers that everyone has to participate in

20 teams in a league format and the Top 10 qualify for the WC

Every game is important (somewhat) and it can get interesting if there are a few upsets.

T20 Qualifiers could get crazy if played on NY / Caribbean pitches
 
I was hoping international T20s getting scrapped and using it only for leagues. But looking at the fixtures of India it is going to cut down ODIs while increasing T20s.
 
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