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The greatest Asian Test team of all time

I took the period after Pak lost the series in NZ in 1985, in which Imran Khan didn't play as he was injured. I already told you that I was considering the period from October 1985 to March 1993. In any case these are the records for the teams in the given periods.

Pakistan from Oct 1985- Mar 1993

Series Played 16
Series Won 9
Series Drawn 6
Series Lost 1

W/L ratio = 2.83

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...1985;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team

SA from 2007-2013

Series Played 24
Series Won 16
Series Drawn 7
Series Lost 1

W/L ratio = 2.84

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2007;spanval2=span;template=results;type=team

Pretty comparable to be honest. I would say SA slightly ahead coz they won more series, but then they played way more series too. Its pretty close really.

It's not comparable. SA is not ahead due to winning more series. SA is ahead due to winning in the den of pretty much all oppositions. SA won 8 away series out of 10 away series.

Pakistan failed to win series in SL, NZ, and WI. Pakistan away W/L was 1.75

SA failed to win series only in Ind. SA away W/L was 3.75.

I will always take a team dominating away in all venues even with a similar overall W/L. You could build a very high W/L by winning at home, but consistently winning away is something else.
 
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It's not comparable. SA is not ahead due to winning more series. SA is ahead due to winning in the den of pretty much all oppositions. SA won 8 away series out of 10 away series.

Pakistan failed to win series in SL, NZ, and WI. Pakistan away W/L was 1.75

SA failed to win series only in Ind. SA away W/L was 3.75.

I will always take a team dominating away in all venues even with a similar overall W/L. You could build a very high W/L by winning at home, but consistently winning away is something else.

Pakistan actually won in NZ in 1993 but drew in 1989. And drawing against the GOAT WI team in WI in 1988 was a great achievement. Drawing in SL in 1986 wasn't a good result, yes.

But yeah SA's away record is better. But then you got to look at the home record as well and Pak's home record is better than SA.
 
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Pakistan actually won in NZ in 1993 but drew in 1989. And drawing against the GOAT WI team in WI in 1988 was a great achievement. Drawing in SL in 1986 wasn't a good result, yes.

By failed to win, I meant every time they played opposition in their den.

SA smashed all teams, except India, in their den in every single away series they played. A very hard task in international cricket.
 
I don't think there is any doubt left that the current Indian team is an Asian GOAT team. No one else comes close
 
By failed to win, I meant every time they played opposition in their den.

SA smashed all teams, except India, in their den in every single away series they played. A very hard task in international cricket.

They didn't beat Pakistan either in the UAE in 2010 and 2013, so India wasn't the only place they failed to win.
 
By failed to win, I meant every time they played opposition in their den.

SA smashed all teams, except India, in their den in every single away series they played. A very hard task in international cricket.

Well they didnt beat Pakistan in UAE either. But yeah they had a good away record from 2007-2014. However, teur record at home was suspect. Failed to beat England, Australia thrice, drew a test series with India, dropped tests to lanka and west indies.
 
This would be one of the greatest ever HEISTS in test cricket history!!!!


Absolutely champion stuff!!
 
The GOAT Asian Test side. Phenomenal mentality.

It was obvious for 2-3 years. People can disagree with me now but deep down, they will agree one day, whether they admit it or not.
 
Wow. Definately the best test team in the world right now, maybe number two but no doubt the best Asian team in history. To beat Australia in Australia in a test series is not a joke, to beat an Australian A team with a D team is no fluke. You cannot downplay what India has done today, totally mentally disintegrated the Australian team in their home
 
The best test series in the modern era. Champion team !!!
 
2001 to 2021..
What a transformation in Attitude of this team.
Thanks Dada, Dhoni, Laxman and all to Thanks Kohli, Rahane, Ashwin, Pant, Pujara.
Awesome win.
 
Wow. Definately the best test team in the world right now, maybe number two but no doubt the best Asian team in history. To beat Australia in Australia in a test series is not a joke, to beat an Australian A team with a D team is no fluke. You cannot downplay what India has done today, totally mentally disintegrated the Australian team in their home

They kept coming back and actually wanted to win even the Sydney test.

I have seen teams playing for a draw even when they were in a winnable position. Doing it in Aus is extremely hard and they did without much reource.
 
Wow. Definately the best test team in the world right now, maybe number two but no doubt the best Asian team in history. To beat Australia in Australia in a test series is not a joke, to beat an Australian A team with a D team is no fluke. You cannot downplay what India has done today, totally mentally disintegrated the Australian team in their home

They kept coming back and actually wanted to win even the Sydney test.

I have seen teams playing for a draw even when they were in a winnable position. Doing it in Aus is extremely hard and they did without much resource.
 
Brother [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vindicated. Even with the dark art of reverse swing, Imran could never have done this. pakistani fans need to swallow their pride and just admit it.
 
I know this is a special moment for India fans
So I don't want to ruin the fun


But there's SA,NZ,Eng still to be won so let's not get ahead of ourselves
 
I know this is a special moment for India fans
So I don't want to ruin the fun


But there's SA,NZ,Eng still to be won so let's not get ahead of ourselves

Lmaooo Debbie downer haven't felt this happy since 2011 and Eng winning wouldn't had made us feel that way either!!!
 
Brother [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vindicated. Even with the dark art of reverse swing, Imran could never have done this. pakistani fans need to swallow their pride and just admit it.

This is historic moment being appreciated by most Pakistani fans here. No need to take jibes at Pakistani fans right now
 
Brother [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] vindicated. Even with the dark art of reverse swing, Imran could never have done this. pakistani fans need to swallow their pride and just admit it.

Imran was the coach, selector, strength and conditioning staff and player. Give him a break.
 
Congragulations india on a great win. I must say i always wanted india to win but only expected a draw after the first session. Fastforward 6 hours when i again get a look at the scorecard and i have been left shocked. Great humiliation dished out to the aussies. We might as well see the end of tim paine. A series win or even a drawn series in eng and then the championship win at pords against nz would settle them as the goat asian team.
 
Every asian team of the past has had its flaws and this team has its flaws as well, however, compared to other teams this one should be the greatest one.
 
How can this be the greatest Asian test team when most of the First XI wasn't even playing? I don't get the logic. Greatest test series won by an Asian side? No doubt about that one.
 
Absolutely. Pakistan fans and posters here have been extremely supportive of this Indian team. Let's not be petty.

This is historic moment being appreciated by most Pakistani fans here. No need to take jibes at Pakistani fans right now
 
How can this be the greatest Asian test team when most of the First XI wasn't even playing? I don't get the logic. Greatest test series won by an Asian side? No doubt about that one.

Because this side has remnants of the greatest Asian team. It is not just the playing XI but the entire coaching staff, the management, the atmosphere in the dressing room etc.

The confidence with which these young players have handled themselves when they could have buckled with pressure without Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami, Ishant etc. speaks a lot about the dressing room culture of this Indian.

Besides, Gill and Pant are players of the highest calibre and worthy of being part of the Indian team that is also the GOAT Asian Test side.

It is also great to see Shastri finally getting his due credit. He has also played a great hand and is the perfect foil to Kohli.
 
How can this be the greatest Asian test team when most of the First XI wasn't even playing? I don't get the logic. Greatest test series won by an Asian side? No doubt about that one.

I think he meant the entire squad including the ones who were either injured/ unavailable.
 
Rohit/Rahul
Gill
Pujara
Kohli (c)
Rahane
Vihari
Pant (c)
Ashwin
Jadeja
Shami
Bumrah

Then you have the likes of Dhawan, Shaw, Agarwal, Pandya, Saha, Siraj, Washington, Ishant, B. Kumar, Kuldeep, Umesh Yadav etc. as well. Karun Nair with a triple century vs England in his second Test cannot even get anywhere near the squad.

A brilliant motivator like Shastri as coach and an excellent bowling coach like Bharat Arun.

Certainly the GOAT Asian Test team ever.
 
A single decade is simply a random 10 years selected and not account for all 10 years. All teams are not going to exactly start at the start of the decade to fit nicely in the decade defined by us. 10 years periods make much more sense if you want to see the number of wins outside Asia. But why stop there. You can do the same for the number of total wins away. The number of wins at home.

I won't judge based on the number of wins only. It's the overall performance. Kohli's team has already occupied rank 1 for 4-5 years with ratings of 120+ points for an extended period. If they can do a few more years of that, then all this debate will be pointless.

Best or not best can be judged only after players or teams are done producing outputs. It's not the right time to judge when it comes to comparing with all previous teams.

Just enjoy the quality cricket produced by Indian teams. The scoreline in Eng and SA may not reflect it, but they played good cricket in those series. They had only one bad series of NZ so far. Back to back gun series in Aus showed tons of character. We should forget about the best XYZ tag. Just enjoy good cricket. Wins and losses are not the only factors. You got to able to enjoy watching teams.

Have quoted part of your post as I enjoyed reading sense on this thread for a change. Left out stats and comparisons as I do not care for them.

In terms of what you say about people rushing to deliver verdicts it doesn’t just stop there, before the ‘era’ can be marked to have closed and all output extracted.

People are keen to keep comparing eras on this thread with many posters happy to translate supposed difficulty across eras by discounting or compounding variables such as neutral umpires, ball scratching, numbers of bouncers, helmets, uncovered pitches et cetera. And if this was not enough, naturally, the extent of such discounting / compounding is also being argued. It gets funnier still with the likelihood that most people making these comparisons were probably not even born before 1970 so unlikely to have had a chance to watch and be as mindful of cricket in the 1980s as they are of the present age.

Depending upon which side of Radcliffe’s silly line the poster was born on, their argument uses or disregards information appropriately slicing and dicing start and finish points of eras, marking asterisks depending upon perceived strength of the opposition, attempts at using transitivity to argue X beat Y and Y beat Z so X would have beaten Z, et cetera. An example of similarly ‘selected’ statistics is what you called out in your post.

Comparing eras is an exercise in futility in most sport or vocations. Be it a discussion about the Turbo-Hybrid era compared to earlier ones F1, the pre-AstroTurf era in Hockey, serve & volley in Tennis or the brouhaha that is ongoing in this juvenile thread.

Have already had one post deleted as I got carried away calling out the hypocrisy in arguments in this thread so will just leave it at this.
 
An Asian team that won't even play in the Asia Cup and refuses to confront one of the premier Asian teams.

OP may have a special cause in trying to push this but no team which boycotts Asia can still be considered an Asian champion.
 
They were not the greatest Asian test team of all-time but after Mamoon bhai created the thread, this was bound to become true. Mamoon bhai did something similar with England and Ben Stokes in 2019 World Cup final also.

With a test series victory in Australia against a side which has a GOAT Smith and heading to be GOAT Cummins, India have become greatest Asian test team of all-time.

I think if Pakistani fans want Pakistan to win the next World Cup, I guess they should convince Mamoon bhai to predict the same and maybe it might work :inti
 
Fearless cricket mixed with calculated risks - Indian team's success mantra

There were experienced and skilled Indian teams who visited 🦘 before 2018 too but India played without fear - and repeated in 2020/21 too- and Aus not to lose.( If fortune went in India's favor they should've won in 2008 too. That's another story. ) In fact, Aus team's loss is very similar to India' loss to Eng in 2011/12 in India. They were widely expected to win but failed.
 
An Asian team that won't even play in the Asia Cup and refuses to confront one of the premier Asian teams.

OP may have a special cause in trying to push this but no team which boycotts Asia can still be considered an Asian champion.

They did play in the 2018 Asia cup, where they thrashed Pakistan twice without Kohli after Sarfraz claimed that India is scared of Pakistan.

They don’t need to play in Asia Cup again unless and until the other Asian sides raise their standards.
 
They did play in the 2018 Asia cup, where they thrashed Pakistan twice without Kohli after Sarfraz claimed that India is scared of Pakistan.

They don’t need to play in Asia Cup again unless and until the other Asian sides raise their standards.

In which case their claim to greatest Asian cricket team also ended in 2018.
 
In which case their claim to greatest Asian cricket team also ended in 2018.

I agree. They made their statement, proved the CT final was a fluke not once, not twice but thrice after thrashing Pakistan in the World Cup two years back as well.

They have nothing to prove now. The other Asian sides need to get their act together and improve where they can finally have the privilege and the honor of facing the GOAT Asian Test team.

Right now, it is a waste of time for India to play Pakistan, Sri Lanka and Bangladesh in Test cricket. However, I still hope they do, so that they can finally earn the admiration of Indophobic British Pakistanis.
 
They were not the greatest Asian test team of all-time but after Mamoon bhai created the thread, this was bound to become true. Mamoon bhai did something similar with England and Ben Stokes in 2019 World Cup final also.

With a test series victory in Australia against a side which has a GOAT Smith and heading to be GOAT Cummins, India have become greatest Asian test team of all-time.

I think if Pakistani fans want Pakistan to win the next World Cup, I guess they should convince Mamoon bhai to predict the same and maybe it might work :inti

Well I think Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has analysed the teams of this era without any bias and with proper knowledge and sticked to what he kept predicting about the teams. He has been vindicated more often than not for last 5 years regarding the performance of the different teams. This thread will age well. Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is the IAN CHAPPELL of PakPakssion. Blunt and fair assessement of teams whether u like it or not.
 
mr.mamoon words r full of wisdom not with hate or despair..or bias...
 
Well I think Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] has analysed the teams of this era without any bias and with proper knowledge and sticked to what he kept predicting about the teams. He has been vindicated more often than not for last 5 years regarding the performance of the different teams. This thread will age well. Sir [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is the IAN CHAPPELL of PakPakssion. Blunt and fair assessement of teams whether u like it or not.

Ofcourse I like it. Why won't I?
 
Just need to win in England this time around to claim the title (if we haven't already). South Africa won't be a much of a problem if we don't lose players to injury.

2021 is going to be a special special year for Indian cricket. Mark my words. :wa
 
First Asian Team to Win World Cup in 1983 against a champion West Indies side.

First Team to break the juggernaut of Australian consecutive victories(16) becoming 17, twice in 2001 and 2004.

First Asian team to Win in WACA, Perth. No other Asian team has done it.

First Asian Team to Win in Gabba.

First Team to Win a T20 World Cup.

Nuff said.



First Team to Win a World Cup at home in 2011.
 
Well done to england on beating Asias best ever test team in a test match ;)
 
Just need to win in England this time around to claim the title (if we haven't already). South Africa won't be a much of a problem if we don't lose players to injury.

2021 is going to be a special special year for Indian cricket. Mark my words. :wa

Let's beat England at home first then worry about beating them in England. :inti
 
This Indian team established itself as the GOAT Asian Test team with the way the played in Australia with their reserve side.

They have nothing to prove anymore. They already scaled heights that no Asian team has reached.

Whatever they do from this point will only impact their individual legacy. It does nothing as far as comparisons with other Asian sides is concerned.
 
This Indian team established itself as the GOAT Asian Test team with the way the played in Australia with their reserve side.

They have nothing to prove anymore. They already scaled heights that no Asian team has reached.

Whatever they do from this point will only impact their individual legacy. It does nothing as far as comparisons with other Asian sides is concerned.

Humilating defeats in eng, NZ and SA but nothing to prove. Comedy at its best from you as usual. Who cricketing world isnt based on just how you perform in Australia.
 
Well done to england on beating Asias best ever test team in a test match ;)

GOAT Indian team had GOAT-losing spree of 10/11 SENA losses in span of 10 years from 2010-2020

Even Pakistan with its spot fixing sagas and no home cricket did better in last decade.
 
GOAT Indian team had GOAT-losing spree of 10/11 SENA losses in span of 10 years from 2010-2020

Even Pakistan with its spot fixing sagas and no home cricket did better in last decade.

How many SENA series have Pak won in the last decade? and how many have India won ?

Yeah thats right Pak have won a grand total of 1 SENA series in the last decade, while India have 2 back to back series wins in Aus.
 
Humilating defeats in eng, NZ and SA but nothing to prove. Comedy at its best from you as usual. Who cricketing world isnt based on just how you perform in Australia.

Firstly, it is not based on how you do in England, New Zealand and South Africa either.

Besides, they were not humiliated in South Africa. They lost 2-1 to a South African team that had the likes of de Villiers, Philander, Steyn etc. in the most bowling-friendly series in history.

It is the only series in history where every single wicket in every single innings fell.

That series was basically decided by the toss. Whoever batted first, won. Had India won two tosses instead of South Africa, it would have been 2-1 to India.

Secondly, it is all relative. In addition to winning two series in Australia, this Indian side is the most dominant home team in Asian cricket ever.

They have only lost 2 Test matches at home in the last 6 years. Moreover, they have spent the longest time period as the number 1 ranked side in the world compared to any previous Asian team, and no team in the world was number 1 for more days in the 2010 decade than India.

Their captain has more Test wins than any Asian captain ever and 19 more than Imran Khan.

There is no doubt about the fact that Kohli’s India is the GOAT Asian Test team. Their achievements tower over that of previous great Asian Test teams. None of these sides achieved more than this Indian team.

Sure, had they won in England, South Africa and New Zealand, their legacy would be even greater, but when you compare them to previous Asian sides, they are well ahead.
 
The thread title should be changed to All time great Indian side. As long as this thread keeps getting bumped, I will have to remind everyone, that a team which refuses to take part in the Asia Cup and ducks out of facing one of the strongest sides in Asia, cannot lay claim to any Asian awards.

This is not my opinion, it is worldwide acknowledged common sense.
 
The thread title should be changed to All time great Indian side. As long as this thread keeps getting bumped, I will have to remind everyone, that a team which refuses to take part in the Asia Cup and ducks out of facing one of the strongest sides in Asia, cannot lay claim to any Asian awards.

This is not my opinion, it is worldwide acknowledged common sense.

It is sad to see there are no cricketing ties between Pakistan and India.

But lets be honest, India would destroy Pakistan in all conditions (home, away and neutral). There is no incentive for major teams like Australia and India to play Pakistan anymore.

Australia have already reduced the number of home tests they play Pakistan because they don't take us seriously and you can't really blame them when we have lost all tests played in Australia since 1999.
 
The thread title should be changed to All time great Indian side. As long as this thread keeps getting bumped, I will have to remind everyone, that a team which refuses to take part in the Asia Cup and ducks out of facing one of the strongest sides in Asia, cannot lay claim to any Asian awards.

This is not my opinion, it is worldwide acknowledged common sense.

Asian teams will have to raise their standards to convince India to partake in the Asia Cup.

In 2018, India battered Pakistan twice without Kohli. Maybe we should have won one of those two matches to show India that the Champions Trophy final was not a total fluke.

The thrashing that we received in the 2019 World Cup match also did not help. Right now, India has no incentive to play Pakistan in any format so I don’t see why BCCI will be begging the Indian government to allow them to resume bilateral ties with Pakistan.

Maybe if Pakistan becomes a top 2-3 side in Test and ODIs and sustain that level for a considerable period of time, BCCI would have the incentive to coerce the Indian government to allow them to play Pakistan.
 
This indian side still needs to show some competitiveness against nz and england. If they manage to win the wtc final against nz and atleast draw the next series in england they will undoubtly become the greatest asian test side. Btw which side do you rate as the 2nd greatest.
 
It is sad to see there are no cricketing ties between Pakistan and India.

But lets be honest, India would destroy Pakistan in all conditions (home, away and neutral). There is no incentive for major teams like Australia and India to play Pakistan anymore.

Australia have already reduced the number of home tests they play Pakistan because they don't take us seriously and you can't really blame them when we have lost all tests played in Australia since 1999.

All fine and dandy but my post was not about Pakistan's credentials as an Asian power, it was about India's and you did not address any of those very clear reasons I gave that India can not be considered as representative of Asia:

1) They boycott the premier Asian tournaments when they feel like it.

2) They refuse to meet one of the strongest Asian teams in a head to head fight.
 
Asian teams will have to raise their standards to convince India to partake in the Asia Cup.

In 2018, India battered Pakistan twice without Kohli. Maybe we should have won one of those two matches to show India that the Champions Trophy final was not a total fluke.

The thrashing that we received in the 2019 World Cup match also did not help. Right now, India has no incentive to play Pakistan in any format so I don’t see why BCCI will be begging the Indian government to allow them to resume bilateral ties with Pakistan.

Maybe if Pakistan becomes a top 2-3 side in Test and ODIs and sustain that level for a considerable period of time, BCCI would have the incentive to coerce the Indian government to allow them to play Pakistan.

See above.
 
All fine and dandy but my post was not about Pakistan's credentials as an Asian power, it was about India's and you did not address any of those very clear reasons I gave that India can not be considered as representative of Asia:

1) They boycott the premier Asian tournaments when they feel like it.

2) They refuse to meet one of the strongest Asian teams in a head to head fight.

Pakistan also boycotted the 1990–91 edition of the Asia Cup. Going by your logic, Pakistan's status as an Asian superpower (in cricket) at that time should also be dismissed. If you agree, fair enough otherwise it's just a clear case of double standards.
 
How many SENA series have Pak won in the last decade? and how many have India won ?

Yeah thats right Pak have won a grand total of 1 SENA series in the last decade, while India have 2 back to back series wins in Aus.

If you insist ...

Last decade means 2010-2020 and here is the "GOAT" Indian Test record in SENA.

vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
Vs AUS - WIN

Thats a 1/11 Win/draw record of GOAT Indian team.

Pakistan

vs NZ - WIN
vs SAF - LOSS
vs ENG - DRAWN
vs NZ - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS

2/8 Win/Draw record of Pakistan depleted by terrorism and spot fixers.
 
If you insist ...

Last decade means 2010-2020 and here is the "GOAT" Indian Test record in SENA.

vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
Vs AUS - WIN

Thats a 1/11 Win/draw record of GOAT Indian team.

Pakistan

vs NZ - WIN
vs SAF - LOSS
vs ENG - DRAWN
vs NZ - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS

2/8 Win/Draw record of Pakistan depleted by terrorism and spot fixers.

No point in merging the performances of Dhoni’s India with Kohli’s. Dhoni’s team was unfit and didn’t have proper fast bowlers.

The post 2015 team under Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test team. Two series wins in Australia and only two home Test losses in 30+ matches in 6 years including the longest number 1 reign ever for an Asian side, and the longest reign overall for any team in the previous decade.

33 Test wins for Kohli (most by an Asian captain ever) and would have been 40+ if the Indian government would have allowed India to play Pakistan.

Btw, you should include SENAZ stats for Pakistan, because it was not easy for them to win in Zimbabwe. Drew 1-1 in 2013. :91:
 
If you insist ...

Last decade means 2010-2020 and here is the "GOAT" Indian Test record in SENA.

vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs NZ - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS
Vs AUS - WIN

Thats a 1/11 Win/draw record of GOAT Indian team.

Pakistan

vs NZ - WIN
vs SAF - LOSS
vs ENG - DRAWN
vs NZ - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs SAF - LOSS
vs AUS - LOSS
vs ENG - LOSS

2/8 Win/Draw record of Pakistan depleted by terrorism and spot fixers.

I already made this thread about Asian team's record in SENA in the last decade.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ian-teams-in-SENA-in-last-10-years&highlight=

And this was before India won their 2nd consecutive series in Aus.

Now India's record in SENA in last decade is

Series Played 11
Series Won 2
Series Drawn 0
Series Lost 9

Pak's record in SENA in the last decade is

Series Played 10
Series Won 1
Series Drawn 2
Series Lost 7

So, how is Pak's series record in SENA better than India's ?
 
No point in merging the performances of Dhoni’s India with Kohli’s. Dhoni’s team was unfit and didn’t have proper fast bowlers.

my post is about "GOAT" Indian teams performance in a decade 2010-2020. No point in counting this and that captain. India Lost 10/11 SENA series in recent most decade (2010-2020) is a fact you like it or not! Read the post before going Jingo.

The post 2015 team under Kohli is the GOAT Asian Test team. Two series wins in Australia and only two home Test losses in 30+ matches in 6 years including the longest number 1 reign ever for an Asian side, and the longest reign overall for any team in the previous decade.

Stats will keep ridiculing you here (and like every other thread)...

India has lost 4/5 SENA series in 2015-2020.

only SENA win (and the only win in 2010-2020) came against a depleted Australia that has lost many times in last 10 years at home. Australia has a worst Home record among top 5 teams in recent most decade. Winning against them at home is by no means some evidence of supreme glory.

Two series wins in Australia

Second series win came in 2021 ... an year later 2020. Again, read the post before posting your opinions.

33 Test wins for Kohli (most by an Asian captain ever) and would have been 40+ if the Indian government would have allowed India to play Pakistan.

Funny post for gullible readers!

Kohli ... 33/59 Wins in total... 57 % wins this fooling success rate drops to 5/23 Wins in SENA ... that is hardly 21 % wins which reveals that this 33 tests wins drama is actually based on doctored Home tracks wins while massive away failures where it actually gets tough. Even if we count 57 % success rate of Kohli as some massive success then its merely 57 % win record which is not massive by any means.

compare this to Misbah who took over team of spot fixers, banned players while not playing at home at all.

Misbah Ul Haq ... 26/56 Wins ... 46 % wins overall. 3/11 SENA ... thats 27 %.

Big deal ?


would have been 40+ if the Indian government would have allowed India to play Pakistan.

Shoulda/Woulda/Coulda Irrelevant opinion by a fan means nothing.
 
I already made this thread about Asian team's record in SENA in the last decade.

http://www.pakpassion.net/ppforum/s...ian-teams-in-SENA-in-last-10-years&highlight=

Ok Man I will check out your thread.

And this was before India won their 2nd consecutive series in Aus.

So, how is Pak's series record in SENA better than India's ?

My posted record was for 10 years during 2010-2020 where Indian Win+Draw record stands at 1/11 while Pakistan stands at 2/8.

2nd Indian series win came in 2021 which does not count in 2010-2020 span. We can discuss Indian vs Pakistani record post 2020s some years later.
 
my post is about "GOAT" Indian teams performance in a decade 2010-2020. No point in counting this and that captain. India Lost 10/11 SENA series in recent most decade (2010-2020) is a fact you like it or not! Read the post before going Jingo.



Stats will keep ridiculing you here (and like every other thread)...

India has lost 4/5 SENA series in 2015-2020.

only SENA win (and the only win in 2010-2020) came against a depleted Australia that has lost many times in last 10 years at home.
Australia has a worst Home record among top 5 teams in recent most decade. Winning against them at home is by no means some evidence of supreme glory.



Second series win came in 2021 ... an year later 2020. Again, read the post before posting your opinions.



Funny post for gullible readers!

Kohli ... 33/59 Wins in total... 57 % wins this fooling success rate drops to 5/23 Wins in SENA ... that is hardly 21 % wins which reveals that this 33 tests wins drama is actually based on doctored Home tracks wins while massive away failures where it actually gets tough. Even if we count 57 % success rate of Kohli as some massive success then its merely 57 % win record which is not massive by any means.

compare this to Misbah who took over team of spot fixers, banned players while not playing at home at all.

Misbah Ul Haq ... 26/56 Wins ... 46 % wins overall. 3/11 SENA ... thats 27 %.

Big deal ?




Shoulda/Woulda/Coulda Irrelevant opinion by a fan means nothing.

You are wrong again. Australia has a W/L ratio of 4.0 at home in the last decade which is 3rd best after India and New Zealand.

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...2011;spanval1=span;template=results;type=team
 
my post is about "GOAT" Indian teams performance in a decade 2010-2020. No point in counting this and that captain. India Lost 10/11 SENA series in recent most decade (2010-2020) is a fact you like it or not! Read the post before going Jingo.

No. There is a point in counting captains because captaincy matters. Kohli is a great Test captain and he has transformed India’s fast bowling culture.

The likes of Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav struggled under Dhoni but look like different bowlers under Kohli.

You don’t like this fact because it going against your deluded narrative.

Stats will keep ridiculing you here (and like every other thread)...

India has lost 4/5 SENA series in 2015-2020.

only SENA win (and the only win in 2010-2020) came against a depleted Australia that has lost many times in last 10 years at home. Australia has a worst Home record among top 5 teams in recent most decade. Winning against them at home is by no means some evidence of supreme glory.

Winning in Australia is not easy, especially for an Asian team. As a Pakistani supporter, you have witnessed your team getting humiliated in Australia since 1999 and including the 2010 decade.

Winning in Australia is certainly an evidence of supreme glory, a glory that Pakistan does not have the talent, skill and mentality to achieve.

Second series win came in 2021 ... an year later 2020. Again, read the post before posting your opinions.

You choose an arbitrary cut-off period of 2020 just so that you could conveniently exclude India’s triumph in Australia in 2021, since India beating a full-strength Australia in Australia with its reserve side goes against your deluded narrative.

Who are you trying to fool here? No one is going to accept your 2020 cut-off date and ignore India’s remarkable triumph of 2021 because it is your wish.


Funny post for gullible readers!

Kohli ... 33/59 Wins in total... 57 % wins this fooling success rate drops to 5/23 Wins in SENA ... that is hardly 21 % wins which reveals that this 33 tests wins drama is actually based on doctored Home tracks wins while massive away failures where it actually gets tough. Even if we count 57 % success rate of Kohli as some massive success then its merely 57 % win record which is not massive by any means.

compare this to Misbah who took over team of spot fixers, banned players while not playing at home at all.

Misbah Ul Haq ... 26/56 Wins ... 46 % wins overall. 3/11 SENA ... thats 27 %.

Big deal ?




Shoulda/Woulda/Coulda Irrelevant opinion by a fan means nothing.

Misbah’s Pakistan lost a Test and drew a series in Zimbabwe in 2013. It does not get more humiliating than that.

Losing a Test and drawing a series in Zimbabwe in 2013 is worse than losing 20 consecutive Test matches in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

The embarrassing performance of Pakistan in Zimbabwe in 2013 alone kills the debate between Misbah’s Pakistan vs Kohli’s India.

India 2015 onwards have the following achievements which has established them as the GOAT Asian Test team.

- two Test series wins in Australia. No other Asian team of the past has a single Test series win in Australia, let alone two.

- only two home Test defeats since 2015. It is one of the best home records for any team in history.

- longest reign at the top of the rankings in the 2010 decade among all teams.

- longest reign at the top of the rankings for an Asian team ever.

- 33 Test wins for Kohli, most by any Asian captain in history.

The achievements of every Asian team of the past falls short compared to the above, let alone the achievements of an okayish team like Misbah’s Pakistan.

Kohli’s India is the GOAT Asian Test team. It might be hard for you to digest, but it is what it is.
 
Kohli’s team had GOAT asian test team in Asia credentials for sure. No other team has been this dominant in Asia.
 
Kohli’s team had GOAT asian test team in Asia credentials for sure. No other team has been this dominant in Asia.

India only looks good on paper I mean come on apart from root n stokes england dont have any half decent batters n india let them make near 600

They got totally outbatted n bowled Pathetic
 
You are wrong again. [/url]

When exactly was I wrong before ?

India lost 10/11 SENA series in 2010-2020. What is wrong with this fact ? You cant change it even if you want to.

Australia has a W/L ratio of 4.0 at home in the last decade which is 3rd best after India and New Zealand.

AUS has lost 4 and Drawn 1 Home Series in last 11 years since 2010. That's a bad home record. They are not the home fortress they used to be anymore.

If India won in Australia then its a very good accomplishment but not something that has not been done before by other teams in last 10-12 years.

Even with this Indian win ... Indian SENA record stands at 1/11 SENA wins+draws in 2010-2020 while during same time Pakistan stands at 2/8.
 
Let the record reflect, Kohli wasn't captain for the last 3 Test vs Australia when India won 2 tests to take the series.

Stop crediting Kohli for the series win in Australia 2021.
 
When exactly was I wrong before ?

India lost 10/11 SENA series in 2010-2020. What is wrong with this fact ? You cant change it even if you want to.



AUS has lost 4 and Drawn 1 Home Series in last 11 years since 2010. That's a bad home record. They are not the home fortress they used to be anymore.

If India won in Australia then its a very good accomplishment but not something that has not been done before by other teams in last 10-12 years.

Even with this Indian win ... Indian SENA record stands at 1/11 SENA wins+draws in 2010-2020 while during same time Pakistan stands at 2/8.

You keep saying that India have lost 10/11 SENA series, when infact they have lost 9/11 SENA series in the last decade.

Secondly Australia is still a very tough place to win, the fact that Aus have won 36 tests at home and lost only 9 tests at home in the last decade shows that. Australia's W/L ratio at home in the last decade shows that they are toughest place to win in after India and New Zealand. Australia have been more dominant at home than England and South Africa in the last decade, thats a fact.

So Australia doesn't have the worst home record out of the top 5 teams as you were saying, infact their home record is the 3rd best in the last decade after India and NZ.
 
No. There is a point in counting captains because captaincy matters. Kohli is a great Test captain and he has transformed India’s fast bowling culture.

The likes of Ishant Sharma and Umesh Yadav struggled under Dhoni but look like different bowlers under Kohli.

You don’t like this fact because it going against your deluded narrative.

What are you on about ? how players perform is irrelevant to the fact that India has lost 10/11 SENA series in its, according to you and other deluded fans, the GOAT period of Indian team.

Only person deluded here is you who thinks that a team who loses 10/11 times in a decade becomes GOAT.

Winning in Australia is not easy, especially for an Asian team. As a Pakistani supporter, you have witnessed your team getting humiliated in Australia since 1999 and including the 2010 decade.

Winning in Australia is certainly an evidence of supreme glory, a glory that Pakistan does not have the talent, skill and mentality to achieve.

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Australia has lost 4 and drawn 1 home series in last 12 years. India won against Australia doesn't mean its something that other teams have not done before.

And curb your irrelevant words as Pakistan is irrelevant to the discussion here. We are talking about the "GOAT" record holding Indian team here. No one here claimed that Pakistan is GOAT or something.

You choose an arbitrary cut-off period of 2020 just so that you could conveniently exclude India’s triumph in Australia in 2021, since India beating a full-strength Australia in Australia with its reserve side goes against your deluded narrative.

I did not design the calendar, it is how Gregorian calendar works, decades start after ever 10th year ... 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, 10s ... GOAT Indians lost 11/12 SENA series in last decade (2010-2020) and no one can change it. GOAT title doesnt belong to a team that loses this much in a decade. Your delusional posts wont change these stats.

Who are you trying to fool here? No one is going to accept your 2020 cut-off date and ignore India’s remarkable triumph of 2021 because it is your wish.

You are the one who is trying to fool people here by trying to hide the STATS with stupid most woulda/shoulda/coulda fan opinions that the team that you were calling GOAT has lost 11/12 SENA series in a decade. I know it hurts you but you cant change it this is why its funny.

Misbah’s Pakistan lost a Test and drew a series in Zimbabwe in 2013. It does not get more humiliating than that.

Losing a Test and drawing a series in Zimbabwe in 2013 is worse than losing 20 consecutive Test matches in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

The embarrassing performance of Pakistan in Zimbabwe in 2013 alone kills the debate between Misbah’s Pakistan vs Kohli’s India.

We are talking about SENA wins+draw stats here not you fan opinions. Indians ended the 2010s with 1/11 and Pakistan ended with 2/8. You can bring Zimbabwe or I bring Indians in Bangladesh means nothing here. SENA records of last decade stands at what they ... 11/12 Indian Losses. GOAT teams would do better than losing like a maniac when not playing at home on doctored pitches.


Losing a Test and drawing a series in Zimbabwe in 2013 is worse than losing 20 consecutive Test matches in Australia, England, South Africa and New Zealand.

That's your opinion not a fact. If Pakistan drew in ZIM then its a away draw outside SENA. Its humiliating or its satisfying or whatever means nothing to the 11/12 SENA losses of GOAT Indian team which stays as its place. You as a radical fan of India, are trying to cope up with Indian SENA losses by bringing in Pakistani record which means nothing here as no one is calling Pakistan GOAT here or even comparing India to Pakistan. India and Pakistan did not even face each other to can even be compared in this timeline. India lost like crazy in SENA then its Indian losses, If Pakistan drew in ZIM then its a Pakistani draw in. Stats remain crystal clear.

- 33 Test wins for Kohli, most by any Asian captain in history.

That's because 28 out of 33 wins are actually at home in front of home crowd on doctored home pitches.

Even if I include this 33/59 wins record then Kohli's win % is merely 57 while Misbahs Pakistan stands at 26/56 at 47 % Wins. Its not some HUGE difference. If Kohli won 33 tests and Misbah also won 26 tests while playing less tests as captain in a side recovering from no home cricket, fixers etc.

All the while, Misbah has better SENA record at 3/11 @ 27 % wins while Kohli stands at 5/23 @ 21 % wins.

If we were to believe your fan posts here then Kohli should be beating Misbah by some margin of 30-40 % more wins but the difference is merely 10% in favor of Kohli while Kohlis SENA record is lower than Misbah. If Kohli is some GOAT captain then so is Misbah by your illogical posts.

Kohli’s India is the GOAT Asian Test team. It might be hard for you to digest, but it is what it is.

Fan opinion doesn't matter. Stats matter. Stats say Indian record stands at 1/11 SENA losses in last Georgian calendar decade 2010-2020 while another Asian side ended the same decade with 2/8. Kohlis Away record is worse then Misbahs while slightly better or similar to Misbah overall (57 % and 46 %).

Stats are hard for you to digest I know but you can not change them with even 1000 more opiniated posts here.
 
You keep saying that India have lost 10/11 SENA series, when infact they have lost 9/11 SENA series in the last decade.



Last decade means 2010-2020 and here is the "GOAT" Indian Test record in SENA.

1) vs ENG - LOSS
2) vs AUS - LOSS
3) vs ENG - LOSS
4) vs SAF - LOSS
5) vs NZ - LOSS
6) vs ENG - LOSS
7) vs AUS - LOSS
8) vs SAF - LOSS
9) vs NZ - LOSS
10) vs ENG - LOSS
11) AUS - WIN

Thats a 1/11 Win/draw record of GOAT Indian team.

Secondly Australia is still a very tough place to win, the fact that Aus have won 36 tests at home and lost only 9 tests at home in the last decade shows that. Australia's W/L ratio at home in the last decade shows that they are toughest place to win in after India and New Zealand. Australia have been more dominant at home than England and South Africa in the last decade, thats a fact.

So Australia doesn't have the worst home record out of the top 5 teams as you were saying, infact their home record is the 3rd best in the last decade after India and NZ.

Australia has lost 4 and drawn 1 series in its home in last 10-12 years ... Its not like India made history by defeating Australia in Australia. Yes Indian team won fair and square in 2018, credit goes to them but its not like Australia has not been defeated before in recent times. Most recent example was SA dominance over Australia in Australia before India.

Mind you Australia also has terrible Ashes record in last 7 Ashes series. They are just not the best test side in the world anymore not at home anyway.

But thats not the point here. I am counting Indian win as a win ... thats why Indian record is 10/11 losses instead of 11/11. If Indians won then they won fair.
 
Last decade means 2010-2020 and here is the "GOAT" Indian Test record in SENA.

1) vs ENG - LOSS
2) vs AUS - LOSS
3) vs ENG - LOSS
4) vs SAF - LOSS
5) vs NZ - LOSS
6) vs ENG - LOSS
7) vs AUS - LOSS
8) vs SAF - LOSS
9) vs NZ - LOSS
10) vs ENG - LOSS
11) AUS - WIN

Thats a 1/11 Win/draw record of GOAT Indian team.



Australia has lost 4 and drawn 1 series in its home in last 10-12 years ... Its not like India made history by defeating Australia in Australia. Yes Indian team won fair and square in 2018, credit goes to them but its not like Australia has not been defeated before in recent times. Most recent example was SA dominance over Australia in Australia before India.

Mind you Australia also has terrible Ashes record in last 7 Ashes series. They are just not the best test side in the world anymore not at home anyway.

But thats not the point here. I am counting Indian win as a win ... thats why Indian record is 10/11 losses instead of 11/11. If Indians won then they won fair.
Again wrong, you are counting 4 series losses for India against England in the last decade, when India have only lost 3 times in England (2011, 2014 and 2018) in the last decade. You keep saying India have lost 10/11 SENA series, when infact they have lost 9/11 SENA series.
 
Why such a fuss about greatest this or greatest that. Just enjoy good cricket.

When Kohli hangs up his boot, all of us can see what he did as captain. Some fans will latch into simply how many he lost to downplay. Some will latch into how many he won to inflate. Some will take a closer look at W/L with a view of the home and away competitiveness.

But let him finish and no need to hurry with greatest this or greatest that. Yes, he is the most aggressive Asian captain without any doubt and he will play for a win in most tests which many other captain will try to draw. By doing it, he will lose many tests, but the same trait will allow him to win many as well.
 
Decades are random division and hardly mean anything when you are talking about a specific team under certain captains. Many successful captains will start in the middle and end in the middle of the next decade. Not sure why decade is used for any discussion.
 
Recent Indian victory in Australia is the greatest overseas victory of all time by any Asian team by a country mile.

No one has a gallbladder to deny that.
 
Why such a fuss about greatest this or greatest that. Just enjoy good cricket.

When Kohli hangs up his boot, all of us can see what he did as captain. Some fans will latch into simply how many he lost to downplay. Some will latch into how many he won to inflate. Some will take a closer look at W/L with a view of the home and away competitiveness.

But let him finish and no need to hurry with greatest this or greatest that. Yes, he is the most aggressive Asian captain without any doubt and he will play for a win in most tests which many other captain will try to draw. By doing it, he will lose many tests, but the same trait will allow him to win many as well.

Aggressive in looks or tactics.
 
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