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The greatest Asian Test team of all time

soso_killer said:
So you compare this side to the Indian side of the 00's how is that fair? Do we not take into account the quality of opposition? Is it plausible that the 00's Indian side would comfortably be the best side in the world atm (even with a weak bowling attack)? I get that you can only beat what is in front of you. But surely common sense has to prevail. Unless we're purely comparing results, then I'd agree.
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Happy new year! How you have been?

They were the best side at that moment, but I don't think that side was better than this side. The Simple reason is bowling was vastly inferior. Currently, they have inferior batting but bowling is far better. Anyway, I expect with Kohli gone, bowling will decline a bit. He was the one responsible for Indians having a good pace unit. Even spin attack at home is superior right now for India. Anyway, it's hypothetical. I will mostly go by results.
 
Both this Indian team and the Pakistan team have major flaws (overseas record, ridiculous no. of draws), that makes this question difficult. Personally I'd say that the current Indian team shades that Pakistan team
 
soso_killer said:
So you compare this side to the Indian side of the 00's how is that fair? Do we not take into account the quality of opposition? Is it plausible that the 00's Indian side would comfortably be the best side in the world atm (even with a weak bowling attack)? I get that you can only beat what is in front of you. But surely common sense has to prevail. Unless we're purely comparing results, then I'd agree.
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Soso

Will you not agree that this is the best Indian pace attack since India first visited SA in 1991-92?

Ofcourse our batting in 2000s was far better, if we had that batting and this bowling we would be in the league of WI of 80s or Aus of 2000s.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Soso

Will you not agree that this is the best Indian pace attack since India first visited SA in 1991-92?

Ofcourse our batting in 2000s was far better, if we had that batting and this bowling we would be in the league of WI of 80s or Aus of 2000s.
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This is easily one of the most complete bowling attacks ever, let alone India's. There's no superstar names like McGrath/Steyn/Ambrose but they are the total package without doubt.

I looked at Australia reign from 99-07 (15 Jan)
Away
49 matches , 866 wickets, 26.72 average, 3.02 economy, 52.9 S.R. The only team to average below 30 away from home in this time period. (Next best was Sri Lanka @33.) HOME 50 matches, 897 wickets, 27.20 average, 2.87 economy, 56.7 S.R.

South Africa from 2007-2015 (31 Dec)
AWAY 41 matches, 626 wickets, 31.77 average, 3.09 economy, 61.5 S.R. There's no significant margin between the next best (Australia) as they average 32.35. Puts into perspective how reliant we were on Steyn. Even with the introduction of Philander (11 Nov 2011- 31 Dec 2015) South Africa average is marginally better at 30.99, but Australia have a slightly better average at 30.96 in this period.
Home: 40 matches, 714 wickets, 26.76 average, 3.09 economy, 51.9 S.R.
(26.29 since Philander's debut in 2011, striking at 50)

India 2016-2022 (14 Jan)
AWAY: 35 matches, 572 wickets, 26.29 average, 2.92 economy, S.R 53.8. Australia the only other side to average below 30 away from home (28.52 avg, 3.00 economy, S.R 56.9)
Home: 30 matches, 564 wickets, 23.46 average, 2.75 economy, 51.0 SR.

India's numbers are just unheard of. To average below 27 home AND away is phenomenal. They aren't going for runs either. Complete bowling attack
 
Buffet said:
Happy new year! How you have been?

They were the best side at that moment, but I don't think that side was better than this side. The Simple reason is bowling was vastly inferior. Currently, they have inferior batting but bowling is far better. Anyway, I expect with Kohli gone, bowling will decline a bit. He was the one responsible for Indians having a good pace unit. Even spin attack at home is superior right now for India. Anyway, it's hypothetical. I will mostly go by results.
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Happy New Year to you to mate, I'm too busy these days with family and all.

As for the better side I'll agree to disagree. That batting unit was just too powerful and let down by the bowlers. When they did knock teams over for under par scores India competed, 1st Test in Jo'burg comes to mind. They should have won the series in 2011 but for J. Kallis with a side strain. I don't think he plays that knock against a relentless Bumrah and Shami
 
Yeah its unfortunate. It would be so fortunate if we had a mixture of current bowling attack with the 00's batting unit...
 
soso_killer said:
This is easily one of the most complete bowling attacks ever, let alone India's. There's no superstar names like McGrath/Steyn/Ambrose but they are the total package without doubt.

I looked at Australia reign from 99-07 (15 Jan)
Away
49 matches , 866 wickets, 26.72 average, 3.02 economy, 52.9 S.R. The only team to average below 30 away from home in this time period. (Next best was Sri Lanka @33.) HOME 50 matches, 897 wickets, 27.20 average, 2.87 economy, 56.7 S.R.

South Africa from 2007-2015 (31 Dec)
AWAY 41 matches, 626 wickets, 31.77 average, 3.09 economy, 61.5 S.R. There's no significant margin between the next best (Australia) as they average 32.35. Puts into perspective how reliant we were on Steyn. Even with the introduction of Philander (11 Nov 2011- 31 Dec 2015) South Africa average is marginally better at 30.99, but Australia have a slightly better average at 30.96 in this period.
Home: 40 matches, 714 wickets, 26.76 average, 3.09 economy, 51.9 S.R.
(26.29 since Philander's debut in 2011, striking at 50)

India 2016-2022 (14 Jan)
AWAY: 35 matches, 572 wickets, 26.29 average, 2.92 economy, S.R 53.8. Australia the only other side to average below 30 away from home (28.52 avg, 3.00 economy, S.R 56.9)
Home: 30 matches, 564 wickets, 23.46 average, 2.75 economy, 51.0 SR.

India's numbers are just unheard of. To average below 27 home AND away is phenomenal. They aren't going for runs either. Complete bowling attack
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Zeroed in nicely here on actual results. I came to the same conclusion after seeing the long-term away performance. Still, I see many keep asking hey that line up had so and so ATG. Who cares how many ATG's were there in the lineup, it's collective bowling output that's matters for the team.

One of the best bowling line up I saw in the last 30-35 years of watching cricket. The main thing is that they have an extremely potent spin attack for home as well. That makes them all condition world-class attack. I guess the traditional impression of India having not so great bowling unit is still sticking.

That's why I was impressed by SA batting well in two tests to get a win. It was high-class bowling and they created many chances. SA should get credit for not folding against Indian bowlers. Home 23 and away 26 average for 6-7 years, I am not sure how many bowling units have such output.
 
soso_killer said:
Happy New Year to you to mate, I'm too busy these days with family and all.

As for the better side I'll agree to disagree. That batting unit was just too powerful and let down by the bowlers. When they did knock teams over for under par scores India competed, 1st Test in Jo'burg comes to mind. They should have won the series in 2011 but for J. Kallis with a side strain. I don't think he plays that knock against a relentless Bumrah and Shami
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Hope family is safe with all covid etc. We avoided the entire time and finally caught now. It was mild for us. Yah, I also don't think that knock would have come against this attack.
 
Buffet said:
Zeroed in nicely here on actual results. I came to the same conclusion after seeing the long-term away performance. Still, I see many keep asking hey that line up had so and so ATG. Who cares how many ATG's were there in the lineup, it's collective bowling output that's matters for the team.

One of the best bowling line up I saw in the last 30-35 years of watching cricket. The main thing is that they have an extremely potent spin attack for home as well. That makes them all condition world-class attack. I guess the traditional impression of India having not so great bowling unit is still sticking.

That's why I was impressed by SA batting well in two tests to get a win. It was high-class bowling and they created many chances. SA should get credit for not folding against Indian bowlers. Home 23 and away 26 average for 6-7 years, I am not sure how many bowling units have such output.
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Its Keegan Petersen who stood out. If he has folded, the rest of the batting would be over. Will be keenly following his career
 
The India cricket team on Monday extended their unbeaten streak at home by beating Sri Lanka by 238 runs in the second Test match played at M.Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bengaluru. This was India’s fifteenth consecutive series victory at home since losing to England in December 2012.

India are the only side in the world to have achieved this feat, the second best being 10 consecutive series victories — far behind than India’s tally of 15.

Opting to bat first on a track that assisted the spinner, India were in a spot of bother in the first innings but thanks to a brilliant counter-attacking 92 (98) from Shreyas Iyer, the hosts were able to recover and post a respectable first innings score of 252. Iyer also made an impressive 67 (87) in the second innings to put India in the driver’s seat after bowling out Sri Lanka for 109 runs.

Jasprit Bumrah starred with the ball in the first innings by returning with match figures of 8 for 47 that includes a five-wicket haul in the first innings.

India won the first Test against Sri Lanka convincingly as well, there by winning the series 2-0. Rishabh Pant was adjudged the Player of the Series for the brilliant show with the bat as well as behind the stumps. Iyer took the Player of the Match award for his twin half-centuries in both the innings on a difficult pitch.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...g-to-eng-in-dec-2012-most-by-any-team-1015960
 
MenInG said:
The India cricket team on Monday extended their unbeaten streak at home by beating Sri Lanka by 238 runs in the second Test match played at M.Chinnaswamy Stadium, Bengaluru. This was India’s fifteenth consecutive series victory at home since losing to England in December 2012.

India are the only side in the world to have achieved this feat, the second best being 10 consecutive series victories — far behind than India’s tally of 15.

Opting to bat first on a track that assisted the spinner, India were in a spot of bother in the first innings but thanks to a brilliant counter-attacking 92 (98) from Shreyas Iyer, the hosts were able to recover and post a respectable first innings score of 252. Iyer also made an impressive 67 (87) in the second innings to put India in the driver’s seat after bowling out Sri Lanka for 109 runs.

Jasprit Bumrah starred with the ball in the first innings by returning with match figures of 8 for 47 that includes a five-wicket haul in the first innings.

India won the first Test against Sri Lanka convincingly as well, there by winning the series 2-0. Rishabh Pant was adjudged the Player of the Series for the brilliant show with the bat as well as behind the stumps. Iyer took the Player of the Match award for his twin half-centuries in both the innings on a difficult pitch.

https://www.cricketcountry.com/news...g-to-eng-in-dec-2012-most-by-any-team-1015960
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I saw a bit of action. Pant was simply great behind the stump.
 
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Bilal7 said:
1) Lloyd's West Indies.

2) Ponting's Australia.

3) Smith's South Africa.

These are the three greatest test teams. Teams that not only had some of the greatest players, who would succeed across eras, but that went to every cricketing nation in the world and came away with a positive result.
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Ponting never won the Ashes in England. He lost them twice away and once at home.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Ponting's Australia won in India, SL, SA, Caribbean, NZ and had a pretty strong record at home . That's good enough.
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I’d say Tubby Taylor’s Australian side was better than Ponting’s. It ended the great WI era in 1995. Or Steve Waugh’s side.

Dunno if I ever opined on the greatest Asian side but I would argue either Imran’s of 1988 or Miandad’s of 1992.
 
Actually in 2004 in India, it was Gilchrist ( IIRC ) who was the captain as Ponting was injured. He only came back in the last test match which ironically they lost.
 
Indian team between 2015-2021 for me.

1.Won home once and away twice vs Australia.
Result : 3-0
2.Won home twice and drew away once vs England while losing once once in 2018.
Result : 2-1
3. Destroyed SA at home twice and lost away twice only due to individual brilliance of ABD(2018) and KP(2022) in respective series in bowling friendly conditions.
4. Destroyed NZ at home twice and got destroyed once too.
5. Destroyed Sri Lanka home and away.
6. Destroyed West Indies home and away.
7. Destroyed Bangladesh home and away.

To conclude, Indian team had an edge over all the teams in this period except when playing vs New Zealand outside home.
 
WengerOut said:
Actually in 2004 in India, it was Gilchrist ( IIRC ) who was the captain as Ponting was injured. He only came back in the last test match which ironically they lost.
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This is why calling it as Ponting's Australia or XYZ's West Indies or whatever is incorrect. It is a team effort which makes you a great side.
 
Robert said:
I’d say Tubby Taylor’s Australian side was better than Ponting’s. It ended the great WI era in 1995. Or Steve Waugh’s side.

Dunno if I ever opined on the greatest Asian side but I would argue either Imran’s of 1988 or Miandad’s of 1992.
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Taylor lost only in India, I believe. His team pretty much beat everyone else away as well.

As for the greatest Asian side, I dont think Imran's side was the best and Miandads certainly wasn't but it's understandable why you would think so :)
 
No one comes close.

India post 2015 is the greatest Asian Test team of all time and no team comes remotely close. They should remain very strong in the future as well but it remains to be seen if they will be able to find worthy replacements for Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Pant, Rohit, Shami etc. at least in the short-term.

Players like Gill, Jaiswal etc. are phenomenal but it is the bowling attack that will need some replacing.
 
Mamoon said:
No one comes close.

India post 2015 is the greatest Asian Test team of all time and no team comes remotely close. They should remain very strong in the future as well but it remains to be seen if they will be able to find worthy replacements for Kohli, Ashwin, Jadeja, Bumrah, Pant, Rohit, Shami etc. at least in the short-term.

Players like Gill, Jaiswal etc. are phenomenal but it is the bowling attack that will need some replacing.
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They have widened the gap so much that it's a meaningless debate now. In the latest home and away cycle: Aus, Eng, SA, SL, WI all have failed to win a single series against Ind. In the entire latest cycle, only one team has beaten India and that was NZ in NZ.

Most impressive is 50 test wins out of 83 played in this period.


20 away wins out of 41 with W/L of 1.3 [The second-best team has 0.75 so a huge gap ]

To put 20 away test wins in perspective, in the entire history of cricket Ind, Pak, and SA have won just 60 odd away tests. 20 away test wins in 7-8 years and the best record at home in entire history covering all teams. Taken together, it's futile to debate about the best Asian test team. No other team is even close.

It's a good debate to have the second-best Asian team of all time.


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Drawn test series in England and South Africa, 2 series wins in Australia, ultra dominant home record , comfortably winning in both West Indies and Sri Lanka.

Not bad but I would like us to win a couple of series in SA/NZ/ENG
 
Yes they have earned that moniker.

Their FC system always churns out quality batsmen but world-class bowlers are rarely easy to replace. It'll be interesting to see how that home form fares once the likes of Ashwin, Jadeja, Shami and co call it a day.
 
Greatest jobbers of all time, getting their behinds spanked by village cricket bowlers
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Sour grapes. Same village bowlers will make every other team cry (bar Australia)
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Ah a convenient appearance from the fakest fan out there, enjoy escaping Bashir and Rehan; am just happy if they leave the country in one piece :yk
 
India have won two tours in Australia in a row, I wonder if they will be disappointed if they dont win again. Australia just lost vs the West Indies and look the most vulnerable its ever been.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
There's no difference then. Be it Bin Laden or RSS extremists, same logic.
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True I remember the time when RSS extremists bombed the world trade centre and had bounties placed on their head by international organization's. Another case of a massively delusional attempt by padosis to equate them, would be funny if you werent actually serious.

RSS is equivalent to the al qeida only in the minds of Pakistanis and no one else, no foriegn team has been attacked by terrorists in indian soil.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
You got to be in a position to even compete in the first place , buddy.

And I was never in hiding. I was here pretty much throughout the match.
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Compete, you mean with England? there’s no shame in getting whitewashed by England A, captained by the greatest England captain of all time.

But getting slapped around by Bashir and Rehan, proper sharumful bro :stokes

It is upsetting for me because I rated Ashwin and Jadeja highly, but they got exposed, just another pair of bare bums in the shower :ua
 
shaz619 said:
Compete, you mean with England? there’s no shame in getting whitewashed by England A, captained by the greatest England captain of all time.

But getting slapped around by Bashir and Rehan, proper sharumful bro :stokes

It is upsetting for me because I rated Ashwin and Jadeja highly, but they got exposed, just another pair of bare bums in the shower :ua
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What do you mean by "exposed"?
Both have taken 17 wickets and are the second highest wicket-takers in the series. Ashwin took a fifer and a total of 6 wickets in the last Test match. Jadeja is a contender for the MOS with both bat and ball, boasting a batting average of 46.

And you're talking about Rehan as if he's Shane Warne... lol, dude got thrashed left and right, with an average of 44.
 
Can't disagree. They are the best Asian team of all time. Unreal streak at home. Good away from home. If they can win a series in nz and England next time you could arguably put them in top 4 best teams of all time.
 
shaz619 said:
Compete, you mean with England? there’s no shame in getting whitewashed by England A, captained by the greatest England captain of all time.

But getting slapped around by Bashir and Rehan, proper sharumful bro :stokes

It is upsetting for me because I rated Ashwin and Jadeja highly, but they got exposed, just another pair of bare bums in the shower :ua
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shaz619 said:
Compete, you mean with England? there’s no shame in getting whitewashed by England A, captained by the greatest England captain of all time.

But getting slapped around by Bashir and Rehan, proper sharumful bro :stokes

It is upsetting for me because I rated Ashwin and Jadeja highly, but they got exposed, just another pair of bare bums in the shower :ua
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Stop trolling FFS!
 
shaz619 said:
Compete, you mean with England? there’s no shame in getting whitewashed by England A, captained by the greatest England captain of all time.

But getting slapped around by Bashir and Rehan, proper sharumful bro :stokes

It is upsetting for me because I rated Ashwin and Jadeja highly, but they got exposed, just another pair of bare bums in the shower :ua
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Both are garbage outside SC and WI. Ashwin doesn't even have a 5fer in SENA after playing a million test matches.
 
PakEngFan said:
Both are garbage outside SC and WI. Ashwin doesn't even have a 5fer in SENA after playing a million test matches.
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Their numbers are inflated clearly on this non-sporting wickets, I thought they were a bit better but I wont be fooled again by these two overhyped hacks!
 
shaz619 said:
Their numbers are inflated clearly on this non-sporting wickets, I thought they were a bit better but I wont be fooled again by these two overhyped hacks!
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Reason why someone like Ashwin gets benched frequently when the step outside custom made pitches for him. The worst bowler with 500 test wickets along side kumble.
 
PakEngFan said:
Reason why someone like Ashwin gets benched frequently when the step outside custom made pitches for him. The worst bowler with 500 test wickets along side kumble.
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And not a single player from the bheest bowling attack in the world has come close to taking 500 wickets 😁

The tears are delicious, ash has helped us win 2 series in Australia, you don't even what it feels to even draw a test match there (and don't worry, you never will)

And btw, ash has more overseas centuries than king zimbaber, exposing Pakistan's horrible batting legacy once again
 
PakEngFan said:
Reason why someone like Ashwin gets benched frequently when the step outside custom made pitches for him. The worst bowler with 500 test wickets along side kumble.
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Damn Kohli must be a demi to average 60 on such spinning minefields

But they suddenly become battle friendly pitches when he bats huh

The only tailored pitches were prepared by waseem rajas younger bro to protect the average of a fake king but a certain mediocre, talentless team still got pounded at home
 
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PakEngFan said:
Reason why someone like Ashwin gets benched frequently when the step outside custom made pitches for him. The worst bowler with 500 test wickets along side kumble.
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Kumble was a bad spinner but a decent medium pacer for them and good point, Ashwin hardly got picked in SENA
 
Ashwin in particular has fair claims to be a great of the game, whether he becomes an ATG, time will tell.

No one’s perfect - Warne in India is the classic example. But even so Ashwin’s record in SENA has really improved over the years. I’m quoting Wisden from a year ago

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Ashwin And Lyon Are The Two Greatest Orthodox Off-Spinners Of The Last 50 Years, But One Is Out In Front

The R Ashwin v Nathan Lyon debate has lasted a decade. Even after all these years, it is not a simple one.
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“He spent the summer of 2017 with Worcestershire, taking 29 wickets at 29.15. While decent, the numbers were not exceptional. What stood out, coincidentally or otherwise, was how Ashwin’s numbers changed after the stint.

Until that point, Ashwin’s 24 wickets in the SENA countries had come at 56.58. That subsequently dropped to 30.34 – the same as Lyon’s 30.51 under the same conditions.

Ashwin was not a great bowler in SENA countries at one point, but he has improved rapidly over the past five years to catch up with Lyon.
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Both Ashwin and Jadeja are better bowlers than Lyon.

As all rounders, both are in the league of golden quartet of 80s.
 
Statpadder Inc said:
And not a single player from the bheest bowling attack in the world has come close to taking 500 wickets 😁

The tears are delicious, ash has helped us win 2 series in Australia, you don't even what it feels to even draw a test match there (and don't worry, you never will)

And btw, ash has more overseas centuries than king zimbaber, exposing Pakistan's horrible batting legacy once again
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Yasir shah has more more centuries in SENA than dhoni. I just stated a fact about Ashwin and it seems I have hit the nerve of Indians. Let me repeat Neil brand the SA opener has same amount of SENA 5FERS AS ASHWIN AND JADEJA COMBINED. Nearly 400 odd wickets at custom made pitches is hardly an achievement. comeback to me when he takes a 5fer in SENA.
 
PakEngFan said:
Yasir shah has more more centuries in SENA than dhoni. I just stated a fact about Ashwin and it seems I have hit the nerve of Indians. Let me repeat Neil brand the SA opener has same amount of SENA 5FERS AS ASHWIN AND JADEJA COMBINED. Nearly 400 odd wickets at custom made pitches is hardly an achievement. comeback to me when he takes a 5fer in SENA.
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India destroys opposition. Overseas with seamers. They don't have to play spinners there. For what it's worth Ashwin bamboozling Smith in Australia played a role in winning the Australia series. India uses spinners mostly in Subcontinent and Windies. Both have great records there. What you are saying is not fact.Jealous post out of ignorance.
 
PakEngFan said:
Hahah. Exactly I think kumble was their best pacer till Bumrah arrived.
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Well going by that Kumble is better than the other phaasst bowlers from the Asian sub continent like Mr my records in test vs good teams are poor Waqar and the Sultan of swing Wasim...

Mind you Kumble didn't get as much reverse swing of pace like the names mentioned above and still took 600 wickets 😯
 
Romali_rotti said:
Well going by that Kumble is better than the other phaasst bowlers from the Asian sub continent like Mr my records in test vs good teams are poor Waqar and the Sultan of swing Wasim...

Mind you Kumble didn't get as much reverse swing of pace like the names mentioned above and still took 600 wickets 😯
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The moment "making the ball" got attention and cameras focussed on it, no pakistani pacer has got 200 test wickets. Wonder why
 
Unlike 10 years ago, the unfortunate reality for pakistani fans is that none of their batsmen would merit a place in Asian ATG XI

Sehwag
Sunny
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli/Sanga
Dhoni (for now)
Jadeja
Imran
Akram
Bumrah
Murali
 
AMSS said:
Unlike 10 years ago, the unfortunate reality for pakistani fans is that none of their batsmen would merit a place in Asian ATG XI

Sehwag
Sunny
Dravid
Sachin
Kohli/Sanga
Dhoni (for now)
Jadeja
Imran
Akram
Bumrah
Murali
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I would replace imran with shami tbh. Shami is deadly in Asia.
 
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cricketjoshila said:
The moment "making the ball" got attention and cameras focussed on it, no pakistani pacer has got 200 test wickets. Wonder why
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Ouch .. that is a direct attack on the legacy of Wasim and Waqar; u saying they were masters at 'making the ball' or as we commonly call it 'ball tampering. Wasn't Akram your childhood hero ?
 
RexRex said:
Ouch .. that is a direct attack on the legacy of Wasim and Waqar; u saying they were masters at 'making the ball' or as we commonly call it 'ball tampering. Wasn't Akram your childhood hero ?
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What you call the alleged “making the ball” got attention in 1992. After that series, Waqar, Wasim and all the pak pacers were the most scrutinised in history. Since 1992, Waqar got over 300 test wickets and same with Wasim.

Sorry, your logic just went out of the window.
 
TheSultan said:
What you call the alleged “making the ball” got attention in 1992. After that series, Waqar, Wasim and all the pak pacers were the most scrutinised in history. Since 1992, Waqar got over 300 test wickets and same with Wasim.

Sorry, your logic just went out of the window.
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The TV broadcast and camera coverage of the 90s decade was pitiful, it would be hard to detect ball tampering through technology at the time.
 
TheSultan said:
I don’t know how you’re allowed to level all these unchallenged allegations. Where are the mods? In early PP days, this would not have flown
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It wasn't my allegation, by the way. It was joshilla's. I just thought his observation was interesting, maybe some tiny merit to it.
 
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Nikhil_cric said:

There is footage from the 92 tour.
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Interesting. Do you think they engaged in this behaviour for the rest of the decade ?

When I said TV coverage, I mean the number of cameras have increased drastically .. from about 12 to 15 cameras in the 1990s decade to about 30 to 35 cameras in 2024.
 
Thread is about the best Asian team. It's not about ball tempering. Please find other threads for such conversations. We have plenty of them.
 
Best Asian test teams
1.. India no.1 without any doubt
2..Sri Lanka
3.. Bangladesh
4.. Afghanistan
5.. Pakistan
 
RexRex said:
It wasn't my allegation, by the way. It was joshilla's. I just thought his observation was interesting, maybe some tiny merit to it.
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Lol at tiny merit.

Denial of achievements is step 1

Step 2 is when he claims that reverse swing was discovered by ancient Hindus and they have found the manuscripts in the basement of a ancient temple buried under a mosque.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Thread is about the best Asian team. It's not about ball tempering. Please find other threads for such conversations. We have plenty of them.
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I gave up on this thread ages ago, But I just checked it, and when you start questioning the achievements of Pakistani greats, I’m gonna respond. I can’t believe so many other Pak supporters are silent on this. What’s happened to you all?
 
TheSultan said:
I gave up on this thread ages ago, But I just checked it, and when you start questioning the achievements of Pakistani greats, I’m gonna respond. I can’t believe so many other Pak supporters are silent on this. What’s happened to you all?
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The whole thread is derailed actually.

The topic was the best Asian side of All time and people are discussing ball tempering here.
 
BouncerGuy said:
The whole thread is derailed actually.

The topic was the best Asian side of All time and people are discussing ball tempering here.
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Many cheated in the 90s and earlier too. Infact Ozzie's even recently cheated and got caught for sand paper saga in the current era.

Yes everyone is digressing from the topic.

Has to be virats india which would be the greatest Asian team of all time

If rohit wins a wtc then perhaps put him up there amongst the best from Asia. Imran's Pakistan side at number 2 at the moment.
 
Major said:
So Tendulkar was a cheat right?
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Tendulkar was not accused of tampering in the first place. He was accused of not informing the umpiring for cleaning the ball. So no, he was not a cheat like Waqar and Shoaib who were caught tampering

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Tendulkar not guilty of ball-tampering, say ICC

In a transparent attempt to appease the Indian cricket board, the International Cricket Council today announced that Sachin Tendulkar's offence in the second Test against South Africa was cleaning the ball without the umpire's permission rather than ball tampering.
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In a transparent attempt to appease the Indian cricket board, the International Cricket Council today announced that Sachin Tendulkar's offence in the second Test against South Africa was cleaning the ball without the umpire's permission rather than ball tampering.

"It's still an offence but it's not as serious as ball tampering," said ICC spokesman Mark Harrison.

Tendulkar was given a suspended one-match ban by English umpire Mike Denness, causing uproar in India and the political row which sees next week's first Test against England under threat.

The current crisis involving Virender Sehwag all stems from the punishment given to Tendulakar, who is revered as a god in India. The Indian Board refused to accept Denness as the match referee for the third test against South Africa which was then declared unofficial by the ICC.

India have been given until 6:30am [GMT] tomorrow by the ICC to announce whether Sehwag will play in the first test against England, and this latest development is a clear attempt to try and diffuse the tension.

The ICC and the Indian board are set on collision course which could have dramatic consequences for the future on international cricket. If India insist on picking Sehwag, the ICC will make the match unofficial, which could lead to England going home.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Lol at tiny merit.

Denial of achievements is step 1

Step 2 is when he claims that reverse swing was discovered by ancient Hindus and they have found the manuscripts in the basement of a ancient temple buried under a mosque.
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A part of me has started wondering how much of the 2 W's success & legacy was down to the rest of world not understanding how reverse swing was generated. Crucial knowledge like that does give you an advantage over other teams. Not a level playing field.
 
Kohli's India test team imo was the greatest. I think we lost like 2 tests at home under his captaincy under his entire tenure..not single series defeat. It is also under his tenure that we started winning some matches abroad ( + the Australia series win). Its a shame he was removed from test captaincy.. i really liked that style of cricket
 
dubeTheGoat said:
Kohli's India test team imo was the greatest. I think we lost like 2 tests at home under his captaincy under his entire tenure..not single series defeat. It is also under his tenure that we started winning some matches abroad ( + the Australia series win). Its a shame he was removed from test captaincy.. i really liked that style of cricket
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They were good in semi pro era when most teams were weak. Same with West indies.

When cricket became professional around mid 2000 then they declined badly. Just like West indies.
 
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