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The greatest Asian Test team of all time

They were good in semi pro era when most teams were weak. Same with West indies.

When cricket became professional around mid 2000 then they declined badly. Just like West indies.
I am confused. Which team are you referring to?
 
Tendulkar was not accused of tampering in the first place. He was accused of not informing the umpiring for cleaning the ball. So no, he was not a cheat like Waqar and Shoaib who were caught tampering

In a transparent attempt to appease the Indian cricket board, the International Cricket Council today announced that Sachin Tendulkar's offence in the second Test against South Africa was cleaning the ball without the umpire's permission rather than ball tampering.

"It's still an offence but it's not as serious as ball tampering," said ICC spokesman Mark Harrison.

Tendulkar was given a suspended one-match ban by English umpire Mike Denness, causing uproar in India and the political row which sees next week's first Test against England under threat.

The current crisis involving Virender Sehwag all stems from the punishment given to Tendulakar, who is revered as a god in India. The Indian Board refused to accept Denness as the match referee for the third test against South Africa which was then declared unofficial by the ICC.

India have been given until 6:30am [GMT] tomorrow by the ICC to announce whether Sehwag will play in the first test against England, and this latest development is a clear attempt to try and diffuse the tension.

The ICC and the Indian board are set on collision course which could have dramatic consequences for the future on international cricket. If India insist on picking Sehwag, the ICC will make the match unofficial, which could lead to England going home.

Indians cried and Sachin was cleared. The article you have posted says the same thing.
 
A part of me has started wondering how much of the 2 W's success & legacy was down to the rest of world not understanding how reverse swing was generated. Crucial knowledge like that does give you an advantage over other teams. Not a level playing field.
Not their fault that other teams couldn't develop that knowledge. It should enhance their legacy not detract for it.

Sport is not a level playing field all across the board for a wide variety of factors.
 
I still maintain that the Indian team of the 2000s is the greatest ever Asian Test side which retained pretty much the same core group throughout out the decade with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Zaheer, Kumble and Bhajji.

2002 - Drawn series in England
2004 - Series win in Pakistan
2004 - Drawn series in Australia
2007 - Series win in England
2009 - Series win in New Zealand
2010 - Drawn series in South Africa

Were extremely competitive in South Africa 2007 (Lost 1-2) and in Australia 2008 (Lost 1-2).

Were pretty impressive at home too with only one series loss to an ATG Australian side in 2004.
 
I still maintain that the Indian team of the 2000s is the greatest ever Asian Test side which retained pretty much the same core group throughout out the decade with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Zaheer, Kumble and Bhajji.

2002 - Drawn series in England
2004 - Series win in Pakistan
2004 - Drawn series in Australia
2007 - Series win in England
2009 - Series win in New Zealand
2010 - Drawn series in South Africa

Were extremely competitive in South Africa 2007 (Lost 1-2) and in Australia 2008 (Lost 1-2).

Were pretty impressive at home too with only one series loss to an ATG Australian side in 2004.
Bowling was not this good. Batting of 2000s and Bowling of 2010s/2020s would be a deadly force. 17 home series in a row not even that side achieved that.
 
I still maintain that the Indian team of the 2000s is the greatest ever Asian Test side which retained pretty much the same core group throughout out the decade with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Zaheer, Kumble and Bhajji.

2002 - Drawn series in England
2004 - Series win in Pakistan
2004 - Drawn series in Australia
2007 - Series win in England
2009 - Series win in New Zealand
2010 - Drawn series in South Africa

Were extremely competitive in South Africa 2007 (Lost 1-2) and in Australia 2008 (Lost 1-2).

Were pretty impressive at home too with only one series loss to an ATG Australian side in 2004.
The drawn series in England (2002) and Australia (2003-04) wetre largely due to weakened sides. The bowling was very mediocre

Last 5 years for the 1st time in Indian cricketing history there is a potent bowling attack which can take 20 wickets in overseas matches
 
2000s batting:
Sehwag
Dravid
Tendulkar
Laxman

1 bowler - kumble

Mid 2010s-20s bowling:
Bumrah
Shami
Ashwin
Jadeja

1 batter - Kohli

Add Gavaskar and Kapil to it and your best 12 players are ready. Get a keeper in and your Indian all time test XI is ready with two reserves.
 
I still maintain that the Indian team of the 2000s is the greatest ever Asian Test side which retained pretty much the same core group throughout out the decade with Sachin, Dravid, Ganguly, Sehwag, Laxman, Zaheer, Kumble and Bhajji.

2002 - Drawn series in England
2004 - Series win in Pakistan
2004 - Drawn series in Australia
2007 - Series win in England
2009 - Series win in New Zealand
2010 - Drawn series in South Africa

Were extremely competitive in South Africa 2007 (Lost 1-2) and in Australia 2008 (Lost 1-2).

Were pretty impressive at home too with only one series loss to an ATG Australian side in 2004.

Also 2006 - Series win in West Indies thanks to Dravid's 81 and 68 in Jamaica.
 
The batting of India's class of 2000s - the OG Fab 5 - up against the current the Indian attack *in* India is for me the ultimate heavyweights clash.

Immoveable object vs unstoppable force.
 
Simply invincible at home and I am not being arrogant or delusional here. The last 10 years record speaks for it.
 
There was not much doubt over their legacy after occupying the number 1 spot for longer than any Asian team and Virat Kohli amassing a record 33 Test wins as captain, but the skill and mentality that they have shown in this series clears any doubts over their status as the best Asian Test team of all time.

OP started this thread in Jan 11, 2021. Since then, 22 more test wins out of 36 tests.

It's a daylight between this team and other great Asian teams of past. Difference is an ATG bowling unit with a decent batting.
 
OP started this thread in Jan 11, 2021. Since then, 22 more test wins out of 36 tests.

It's a daylight between this team and other great Asian teams of past. Difference is an ATG bowling unit with a decent batting.

But you have not accounted for the recent turn of events .... which BTW have nothing to do with actual cricket ... wait and watch the drama unfold 🙃 :ROFLMAO:
 
It's quite an achievement. Indians are not as naturally physically gifted as Pakistanis.

Thankfully , Pakistani cricketers are some of the dumbest specimens of our species.

Otherwise they would be dominating us in all aspects.
 
Good for Indian fans, I’m not interested or vested in their achievements. I can proudly say that the so-called greatest Asian Test team of all time didn’t beat Pakistan.
yup They haven't beaten Canada, Nigeria, Uganda either. They can also be proud.
 
Ireland is a Test team. India hasn't played them in a TEst. So they can be proud.
Yes they can be. No one asked India to not play them. It would have been fun to see India 30/3 on a cold, gloomy day in Dublin.

Cricket is one of the few sports where certain teams deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams for XYZ reasons and then call themselves the best.

It’s like Man City asking the FA to not have their matches scheduled with relegation teams and then calling themselves PL champions.

Anyway, India are not even Test champions. I’m sure they will lobby to have the WTC Final in India at some point after their GOAT Asian Team got violated in the UK in back to back finals.
 
Yes they can be. No one asked India to not play them. It would have been fun to see India 30/3 on a cold, gloomy day in Dublin.

Cricket is one of the few sports where certain teams deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams for XYZ reasons and then call themselves the best.

It’s like Man City asking the FA to not have their matches scheduled with relegation teams and then calling themselves PL champions.

Anyway, India are not even Test champions. I’m sure they will lobby to have the WTC Final in India at some point after their GOAT Asian Team got violated in the UK in back to back finals.

Yea.. As long as the logic is, one can say "Too bad USA was not granted test status otherwise they would have beaten this current Pakistan" :)
 
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What an unexpected turn of events in this thread.
Gotta love the heel turn, made PP fun again.
 
NVm This india is one the greatest team in world cricket history so forget about Best Asian team ever.
 
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Yes they can be. No one asked India to not play them. It would have been fun to see India 30/3 on a cold, gloomy day in Dublin.

Cricket is one of the few sports where certain teams deliberately go out of their way to not play certain teams for XYZ reasons and then call themselves the best.

It’s like Man City asking the FA to not have their matches scheduled with relegation teams and then calling themselves PL champions.

Anyway, India are not even Test champions. I’m sure they will lobby to have the WTC Final in India at some point after their GOAT Asian Team got violated in the UK in back to back finals.
You are completely failing in your new avatar.
You can’t pull this off bro, try coming up with something else.
 
You are completely failing in your new avatar.
You can’t pull this off bro, try coming up with something else.
Disprove anything that I have said in the quoted post. You can’t otherwise you would have done it. You are just annoyed.
 
You have to blame Australia for this GOAT Asian Test narrative. Who even loses to India at home especially outside Asia? No proper team.

England, South Africa and New Zealand didn’t, but Australia rolled over for India not once but twice. Yet they have the audacity to call themselves the mentally toughest team. Shame on Australia.
 
You have to blame Australia for this GOAT Asian Test narrative. Who even loses to India at home especially outside Asia? No proper team.

England, South Africa and New Zealand didn’t, but Australia rolled over for India not once but twice. Yet they have the audacity to call themselves the mentally toughest team. Shame on Australia.
I don't see pakistan winning from the position that Australia did in 2023, from being bottom of the table and having no choice but to go on a win streak?

Losing to India at home has nothing to do with mentality.

Since when does mentality equate to a loss?

Their considered a mentally strong team due to their never give up philopshy, Even againat India in 2024, they were still attacking it till the bitter end even when the game was lost, It's also why their the only team that can pull off a win against afghanistan from that position.

While every other team rolls over.

For example NZ typically rolls over for Australia and let's them dogwalk them in any knockout stage without putting up a fight.

Afghanistan similarly let's India walk all over them and shows the least aggression towards them.

Sa let's every team walk over them in knockout stages

India in a final before 2024 let every team walk all over them.

England similarly suffered from the same issue against pakistan in 2017 and 2019 at that point in time.

Every team has a brain fade moment or a mental give up moment except Australia that fights to the bitter end.

It has nothing to do with winning or losing, it's about how they approach the game and keep attacking. Even in the 4th odi against England, where England marked them, Even aussie tail enders were still attacking with no care in the world lol.
 
You have to blame Australia for this GOAT Asian Test narrative. Who even loses to India at home especially outside Asia? No proper team.

England, South Africa and New Zealand didn’t, but Australia rolled over for India not once but twice. Yet they have the audacity to call themselves the mentally toughest team. Shame on Australia.
Australian players have never called themselves the mentally toughest from memory. Do you have source for this ?
 
Good for Indian fans, I’m not interested or vested in their achievements. I can proudly say that the so-called greatest Asian Test team of all time didn’t beat Pakistan.
As an Indian fan, I am also equally proud that we saved Pakistan the embarrassment. Getting thrashed by Bangladesh at Fort Pindi should have been bad enough.
 
As an Indian fan, I am also equally proud that we saved Pakistan the embarrassment. Getting thrashed by Bangladesh at Fort Pindi should have been bad enough.
Would have been a good series until 2016. After that, it would have been fairly one sided in India’s favor, but we can’t blow our trumpets and shed tears over hypothetical triumphs and defeats.
 
NVm This india is one the greatest team in world cricket history so forget about Best Asian team ever.
No. Pakistan has the edge in moral victory. India is scared to play them.

Until we beat them we can call ourselves the best team from Asia.
 
Atg pakistan line up vs virats peak test side or current rohits team will be a tough one. But men in blue should prevail. Unless we play in Dublin or England.
 
There was not much doubt over their legacy after occupying the number 1 spot for longer than any Asian team and Virat Kohli amassing a record 33 Test wins as captain, but the skill and mentality that they have shown in this series clears any doubts over their status as the best Asian Test team of all time.
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As a Pakistani, I really wish we could have half the talent, half the skill and half the mentality this Indian team has.

Phenomenal stuff.

22 more test wins for India after those 33 test win cited by OP when thread was made.

Since 2016, Indian team had 53 test wins.


To put 53 wins in perspective perspective,

  • It's 50% of all wins by SL in their entire history.
  • It's 33% of all wins by Pak in their entire history.
  • It's 29% of all wins by Ind in thier entire history.

Absolutely a top class peroformance by the best Asian team.
 
What some people fail to grasp is that to be the GOAT Asian Test team, you do not need to have a flawless record; you simply need to be better than other Asian sides, past and present. It is all relative.

This Indian team is not flawless and does not have a flawless record over the past 6 years. However, let’s take a look at their achievements.

- They have spent more time at the top of ICC Test rankings compared to another Asian team in the past.

The ranking system was not there in the past, but if use historic data points and adjust the formula, this Indian has still spent the most time at the top of the rankings compared to other Asian sides.

- They have two Test series wins in Australia. All other Asian sides collectively have 0.

- In the 2010-2020 decade, no team spent more time at the top of the ICC rankings than any other team in that decade. No other Asian side in the past has dominated a decade in such fashion.

- They have, by far, the most dominant and brutal home record in history as far as Asian teams are concerned.

- They are also on the brink of winning a series in England. People will obviously dismiss this series win because the England team is weak at the moment, however, had India lost, they would have called India overrated for not beating a weak England team.

Based on these achievements, no Asian side of the past has a stronger claim at the GOAT Asian Test team tag.

You have to be complete bonkers - a permanent resident of cloud cuckoo land - to argue otherwise.

Unfortunately, some people just cannot accept the reality because of how bitter it is. No amount of mental gymnastics and straw-clutching will change the fact that 2015-present Indian team boasts more achievements than any Asian team of the past.
Excellent post :inti
 
You have to be complete bonkers - a permanent resident of cloud cuckoo land - to argue otherwise.

All hail the GOAT Asian Test team with 53 test wins.
 
Good for Indian fans, I’m not interested or vested in their achievements. I can proudly say that the so-called greatest Asian Test team of all time didn’t beat Pakistan.
What a cowardly retort? You started this thread and now are chickening out. Why would anyone even take you seriously ? U have no idea what you talk about and just go off on a spree whatever suites you. All illogical stuff.
 
Which one carries more weight: The Greatest Asian Test Team or The Greatest Test Team? It's like comparing the Asian Champions to the Olympics Champions. :inti
 
They are not just GOAT Asian team but one of the GOAT in world cricket history .

GOAT asian team standard is very low for this team as they surpassed that status very very long ago .
 
I really don't think there's a case otherwise to be made. India is the greatest Asian team. They have two 50 Overs and 20 Overs world cups. Most Asia Cup titles. As well as recent good performance on overseas tours as well. Moreover they have been great at home.
 
They are not just GOAT Asian team but one of the GOAT in world cricket history .

GOAT asian team standard is very low for this team as they surpassed that status very very long ago .
0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand. 0 WTC final wins after two embarrassing attempts. 46 all out at home.

The gap between the actual GOATs in world cricket history (WI, AUS) and this Indian team is probably bigger than the gap between this Indian team and other Asian teams of the past.
 
0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand. 0 WTC final wins after two embarrassing attempts. 46 all out at home.

The gap between the actual GOATs in world cricket history (WI, AUS) and this Indian team is probably bigger than the gap between this Indian team and other Asian teams of the past.
That's true. In fact I will rate Smith:s South africa side ahead too, fo remaining unbeaten away for a long time.
 
That's true. In fact I will rate Smith:s South africa side ahead too, fo remaining unbeaten away for a long time.
Smith South Africa lacked home dominance. All great teams are ruthless at home.

Misbah’s Pakistan had the same problem in the UAE. A lot was made of them not losing a home series for 7 years, but they drew and lost too many individual Tests.

I would put this Indian side above Smith’s SA purely because of home success, but they are way below the actual GOATs due to lack of overseas success. It is only Australia that made Indian look good away from home.
 
That's true. In fact I will rate Smith:s South africa side ahead too, fo remaining unbeaten away for a long time.
Due you even know how many times South Africa were lost / Drawn home test series under greem smith??

First check then we can discuss .

This india GOAT team yet to lose or even draw a test series at home after 18 series .
 
0 Test series wins in England, South Africa and New Zealand. 0 WTC final wins after two embarrassing attempts. 46 all out at home.

The gap between the actual GOATs in world cricket history (WI, AUS) and this Indian team is probably bigger than the gap between this Indian team and other Asian teams of the past.
No one said this GOAT indian team is better than WI or Aus .

This indian team is 3rd best team in history of test cricket.
 
Due you even know how many times South Africa were lost / Drawn home test series under greem smith??

First check then we can discuss .

This india GOAT team yet to lose or even draw a test series at home after 18 series .
They lost two series to australia and drew one with India. But won in pak aus eng nz srilanka everywhere. This Indian team is yet to win in sa, eng and nz.
 
No one said this GOAT indian team is better than WI or Aus .

This indian team is 3rd best team in history of test cricket.
No such thing as 3rd, 4th, 5th…..18th, 19th best Test team in history. It is a pointless exercise. Stick to the best Asian Test team narrative.
 
Its matter a lot and you know very well
Maybe it matters to Indians but it doesn’t matter to the rest. When people talk about the best Test teams in history, no one thinks about this Indian team. Please understand that.
 
Maybe it matters to Indians but it doesn’t matter to the rest. When people talk about the best Test teams in history, no one thinks about this Indian team. Please understand that.
Whenever people talk about best ever teams then everyone will talk about this india team except some Pakistani.
 
This thread is a best example how people can take sharp U-turns (Indians can understand this well because they see the behavior of Indian Politicians on daily basis)
 
Ahh forgot about this thread!!
Funny to see the U-Turns happening in this one.

The new character is really coming out well.
 
Delusion only suitable for pakistan fans . They even change own views as per their wish, so no one take them seriously . :kp
someone got properly OWNED. game/set/match :cigar

well done @Devadwal
My responsibility is towards Pakistani fans. Over here, the Pakistani narrative will prevail.

Views are views, same person can say two different things at two different times, but the reality will not change.

What I say or what you say cannot change the reality of India’s era of massive underachievement.
 
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My responsibility is towards Pakistani fans. Over here, the Pakistani narrative will prevail.

Ergo ... facts be damned ... right ? :ROFLMAO:


Views are views, same person can say two different things at two different times, but the reality will not change.

Like I can be in two different time zones at the exact same GMT timestamp :oops:


What I say or what you say cannot change the reality of India’s era of massive underachievement.

and how is this "reality" determined ? And who certifies it to be the absolute truth lol ?
 
Ergo ... facts be damned ... right ? :ROFLMAO:




Like I can be in two different time zones at the exact same GMT timestamp :oops:




and how is this "reality" determined ? And who certifies it to be the absolute truth lol ?
It is a fact that current Indian team have won 0 series in England, South Africa and New Zealand.

It is a fact that they lost both WTC Finals in embarrassing fashion.

It is a fact that they got shot for 46 at home vs New Zealand.

You can downplay them or deflect them, but facts shall remain facts. If only these were the opinions of some people and not the actual reality.
 
It is a fact that current Indian team have won 0 series in England, South Africa and New Zealand.

It is a fact that they lost both WTC Finals in embarrassing fashion.

It is a fact that they got shot for 46 at home vs New Zealand.

You can downplay them or deflect them, but facts shall remain facts. If only these were the opinions of some people and not the actual reality.
What did I miss? 🤔 You’ve always been praising the Indian cricket team, going to great lengths even when tensions were high between India and Pakistan a couple of years ago. So, what changed now? Did someone from India upset you?
 
It is a fact that current Indian team have won 0 series in England, South Africa and New Zealand.

It is a fact that they lost both WTC Finals in embarrassing fashion.

It is a fact that they got shot for 46 at home vs New Zealand.

You can downplay them or deflect them, but facts shall remain facts. If only these were the opinions of some people and not the actual reality.


Now go ahead and explain to your newly minted fanbase on PP as to why these criteria did not factor into your own posts when you made those statements that are diametrically opposite to what you are saying today .... talk about the most awkward moment in the history of PakPassion lol
 
What did I miss? 🤔 You’ve always been praising the Indian cricket team, going to great lengths even when tensions were high between India and Pakistan a couple of years ago. So, what changed now? Did someone from India upset you?
Yes. I am fed up of the arrogance and disrespectful behavior of Indians on this forum and the inability of (most) Pakistani fans to stand up for themselves properly.
 
Now go ahead and explain to your newly minted fanbase on PP as to why these criteria did not factor into your own posts when you made those statements that are diametrically opposite to what you are saying today .... talk about the most awkward moment lol
What I say or don’t say doesn’t alter the reality. It is not about me.
 
Yes. I am fed up of the arrogance and disrespectful behavior of Indians on this forum and the inability of (most) Pakistani fans to stand up for themselves properly.


awww soooo cute ... so who do you think opened this thread ?

Hint: It wasn't an Indian :ROFLMAO:
 
awww soooo cute ... so who do you think opened this thread ?

Hint: It wasn't an Indian :ROFLMAO:
It’s interesting that this thread, started in January 2021, didn’t bother you for 3 years and 9 months. Now, all of a sudden, the thread starter's nationality matters simply because he doesn’t align with your viewpoint. It seems you might be too accustomed to people in your gully always agreeing with you. :LOL: :inti
 
It’s interesting that this thread, started in January 2021, didn’t bother you for 3 years and 9 months. Now, all of a sudden, the thread starter's nationality matters simply because he doesn’t align with your viewpoint. It seems you might be too accustomed to people in your gully always agreeing with you. :LOL: :inti


when in doubt while responding to me here is the one and only one thumb rule:

1. Check Invertness 🙃 before you proceed to dive head first into a dry swimming pool :cigar
 
I think it will be good to have a SA fan view. @Buffet what do you think about Smith's south africa vs post 2015 India?
Probably SA a bit higher due to simply dominating away. India has been then more dominating home so you could call it a wash. Not much in my opinion to say that one was clearly better.
 
Whenever people talk about best ever teams then everyone will talk about this india team except some Pakistani.
Best teams discussion will be more limited to Aus and WI to be honest. There is quite a gap to not really be a contender. Bowling is ATG level but batting is just decent. That's the issue.

Yes, Indian team will be among the top 5 test teams but not in contention for best ever team.
 
when in doubt while responding to me here is the one and only one thumb rule:

1. Check Invertness 🙃 before you proceed to dive head first into a dry swimming pool :cigar
Turn off your chicken mode and quote me like you have got a backbone. You are actually looking like a fool now by repeating this 'invert' and 'deal' stuff. Use these kindergarten stuff somewhere else. :kp :inti
 
Best teams discussion will be more limited to Aus and WI to be honest. There is quite a gap to not really be a contender. Bowling is ATG level but batting is just decent. That's the issue.

Yes, Indian team will be among the top 5 test teams but not in contention for best ever team.
Absolutely agree... The current Indian Team batting (test batting) is extremely poor (in fact it is one of the worst in its history!) What's covering this fact is - great bowling unit, some good lower order batting (historically Indian lower batting was weak), a very good wicket-keeper batsman (the best India has produced so far, and on the way to become ATG) and on top of that some professional & pressure-handling qualities... But still some administrative & political issues are ruining the improvement steps...

Similarly our team in late 90s and 00s had great batting lineup and lacked in all other departments mentioned above... So if we combine that team's batting with current team (hypothetical) then we can reach near to Aus/WI level...

While SA team had great strength in winning away bilaterals it also had (still has) peculiar weakness i.e., not winning any ICC trophies (just like India is accused for its inability to win every single ICC trophies for its supreme financial powers!)

So on merit both that SA team & current India team, both (and if there is any other team like Imran's Pakistan) should not be compared with WI/Aus.
 
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Turn off your chicken mode and quote me like you have got a backbone. You are actually looking like a fool now by repeating this 'invert' and 'deal' stuff. Use these kindergarten stuff somewhere else. :kp :inti


The good thing about the rule I gave you is that it is 100% in your control. Actually I have ZERO (SIFAR in Urdu ) control over it. You know what to do if you are soo desperate for a legit response.

Wait ... should I write that right to left considering you are true 100% Inverse ... sorry I did not realize that until just now ... my bad.

🙃
 
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