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The Indian schoolchildren who are bullied for being Muslim

Schools and playgrounds can be dangerous places where children are isolated or bullied. Children often use differences in appearance, skin colour, food habits, misogyny, homophobia and casteism to inflict pain on their peers.

And now, according to a new book out in India, Muslim children are increasingly being targeted in posh schools for their religious identity because of the growing Islamophobia in India and across the world.

Writer Nazia Erum, who spoke to 145 families in 12 cities and 100 children studying in 25 elite Delhi schools while researching her book Mothering a Muslim, says that children as young as five are being targeted.

"What I found during my research was shocking, I didn't think it was happening in these elite schools," Ms Erum told the BBC. "When five and six year olds say they were called a Pakistani or a terrorist, how do you respond to that? And how do you complain to the school?" she asks.

"A lot of it is said in jest, it's meant to be funny, to evoke a laugh. It's subtle and it can seem like harmless banter, but it's not. It's actually bullying and tormenting."

The children she interviewed for her book told her about some of the questions and comments that are regularly hurled at them:

Are you a Muslim? I hate Muslims.
Do your parents make bombs at home?
Is your father part of the Taliban?
He's a Pakistani.
He's a terrorist.
Don't **** her off, she will bomb you.
Since its launch, the book has started a conversation around religious hate and prejudice in schools and last weekend, #MotheringAMuslim trended high on Twitter, with many taking to social media to share their own experiences.



For the most part, the two communities have lived peacefully, but religious resentment has always simmered below the surface since 1947 when India and Pakistan were carved out of a single nation. The parting was bloody - between half a million and a million people were killed in religious violence.

Ms Erum says while anti-Muslim slurs have been used since the 1990s, after the demolition of the Babri mosque by Hindu hardline groups and the Hindu-Muslim riots that followed, in recent years their tone and intensity have changed.

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She became acutely aware of it in 2014, after she gave birth to her first child.

"As I held my little daughter Myra in my arms, for the first time I was afraid," Ms Erum said, adding that she was worried about even giving the baby a name that could be easily identified as Muslim.

It was a time of sharp religious divisions in India. The Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party was running a hugely polarising election campaign, which helped sweep Prime Minister Narendra Modi to power.

There was a rise in Hindu nationalist sentiment and some television channels were presenting a distorted narrative that painted Muslims as "invaders, anti-national and a threat to national security".

The book coverImage copyrightNAZIA ERUM
"Since 2014, my identity as a Muslim was in my face, and all my other identities had become secondary to that. There was a sense of palpable fear among the entire community," Ms Erum says.

And since then, the fault lines have only widened. The polarising arguments and debates on television have entrenched biases, which are now being passed around from the adults to children.

"So in playgrounds, schools, classrooms and school buses, a Muslim child is singled out, pushed into a corner, called a Pakistani, IS, Bagdadi and terrorist," says Ms Erum.

The stories of children she cites in the book make for grim reading:

A five-year-old girl is terrified that "Muslims are coming and they will kill us". The irony: she doesn't know that she herself is Muslim.
A 10-year-old boy who feels shame and anger when after a terrorist attack in Europe, a classmate asks him loudly: "What have you done"?
A 17-year-old is called a terrorist and when his mother contacts the name-caller's mother, she's told: "But your son called my child fat".
Being bullied on account of one's religion in schools is not limited to India, it's happening across the world.

In the US, it's been described as the "Trump Effect" after reports that his presidential campaign had produced an alarming level of fear and anxiety among children of colour and inflamed racial and ethnic tensions in the classroom.

So can the increased bullying of Muslim children in Indian schools be described as the "Modi Effect"?

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Ms Erum says parents and schools must do everything possible to counter communal bullying
"All politicians are using a similar tone, including those from Islamic parties," Ms Erum says.

She adds that schools have refused to accept that religious bullying took place on their premises.

That, she says, could also be since most cases go unreported - children don't want to be seen as tattletales and most parents dismiss them as random incidents.

But what is worrying is that a form of self-censorship has crept into their lives and many Muslim parents have begun telling their children to be on their best behaviour at all times - don't argue, don't be good at computer games that involve bombs or guns, don't crack a joke at the airport, don't wear traditional outfits when you go out.

Ms Erum says these are warning signs and parents and schools must do everything possible to counter communal bullying.

"The first step is to accept that there's a problem, and then have a conversation about it. Whataboutery is not going to help," she says.

"If this issue is not addressed, it's not going to be restricted to 9pm debates in television studios or newspaper headlines, because hate swallows all, it impacts both the tormentor and the tormented equally."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-42650106
 
Schools and playgrounds can be dangerous places where children are isolated or bullied. Children often use differences in appearance, skin colour, food habits, misogyny, homophobia and casteism to inflict pain on their peers.

And now, according to a new book out in India, Muslim children are increasingly being targeted in posh schools for their religious identity because of the growing Islamophobia in India and across the world.

Writer Nazia Erum, who spoke to 145 families in 12 cities and 100 children studying in 25 elite Delhi schools while researching her book Mothering a Muslim, says that children as young as five are being targeted.

"What I found during my research was shocking, I didn't think it was happening in these elite schools," Ms Erum told the BBC. "When five and six year olds say they were called a Pakistani or a terrorist, how do you respond to that? And how do you complain to the school?" she asks.

"A lot of it is said in jest, it's meant to be funny, to evoke a laugh. It's subtle and it can seem like harmless banter, but it's not. It's actually bullying and tormenting."

The children she interviewed for her book told her about some of the questions and comments that are regularly hurled at them:

Are you a Muslim? I hate Muslims.
Do your parents make bombs at home?
Is your father part of the Taliban?
He's a Pakistani.
He's a terrorist.
Don't **** her off, she will bomb you.


"So in playgrounds, schools, classrooms and school buses, a Muslim child is singled out, pushed into a corner, called a Pakistani, IS, Bagdadi and terrorist," says Ms Erum.
The stories of children she cites in the book make for grim reading:

A five-year-old girl is terrified that "Muslims are coming and they will kill us". The irony: she doesn't know that she herself is Muslim.

A 10-year-old boy who feels shame and anger when after a terrorist attack in Europe, a classmate asks him loudly: "What have you done"?

A 17-year-old is called a terrorist and when his mother contacts the name-caller's mother, she's told: "But your son called my child fat".


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-42650106

It's really terrible to read what Muslim Children in India go through in some of the affluent schools in the Country. This can't even be justified to a problem prevalent only in ghettos but a rabid Islamophobia spreading among Upper Class Majority in India.
 
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This should be an eye opener to those who take their freedom for granted in Pakistan. Pakistan might not be the most perfect place on earth but it's still a paradise compared to 2nd Class status of a Muslim living in India under the constant bullying, humiliation and threat of violence.
 
Nothing new here. Despite the denials of Indian people I have always known that Indian Muslim's are harnessed and bullied. As the above poster says despite our endless problems Pakistan is not to be taken for granted. It it still ours. It is still for us to make it a better country. We are still the owners of Pakistan. Indians Muslim's often don't know if they should love or hate Pakistan.
 
Nothing new here. Despite the denials of Indian people I have always known that Indian Muslim's are harnessed and bullied. As the above poster says despite our endless problems Pakistan is not to be taken for granted. It it still ours. It is still for us to make it a better country. We are still the owners of Pakistan. Indians Muslim's often don't know if they should love or hate Pakistan.

You would rarely see them complaining much TBH, I think they have got well accustomed to living like they do . You cannot miss something that you never had in the first place. It's like enslaved black labourers with no taste of freedom adjusting with their situation and accepting it as destiny and best that they can have.
 
India Shining . Indian Muslims have no guts to rise and fight against the fascist forces in the Country. No pride, no self respect, no honor.
 
India Shining . Indian Muslims have no guts to rise and fight against the fascist forces in the Country. No pride, no self respect, no honor.

I really dont understand the mentality of Indian Muslims. What are they scared of? They are near 200 million strong but seem to more concerned with being patriotic Indians rather than standing up against the injustice and discrimination they face in India. They never stood up for Kashmiri's so I dont feel much sympathy for them.
 
This is one reason I want Partition 2.0. Muslims and Hindus don't have a history of peaceful coexistence. The hindus may have valid historical grievances but not fair on present Indian Muslims that they pay the price of their ancestors not wanting/not being able to migrate to the muslim homelands.
 
On the plus side, Indians are becoming good friends with Israel so it's not like there is a bias against Abrahamic faiths.
 
Pakistanis mind your own ways... Indian muslims have never applied for even citizenship of pakistan ...and trust me they seriously never consider or never regret staying in india.....Bullying in schools is common in even usa or canada or india or everywhere.. or you think indian children are rss ??? Anyway the best thing for pakistan could be to make pakistan a better place for muslims....forget other religions or miniorities....
 
Good to see Pakistani Muslims caring so much about Indian ones,hopefully they will show similar concern over the Chinese ones.
 
Pakistanis mind your own ways... Indian muslims have never applied for even citizenship of pakistan ...and trust me they seriously never consider or never regret staying in india.....Bullying in schools is common in even usa or canada or india or everywhere.. or you think indian children are rss ??? Anyway the best thing for pakistan could be to make pakistan a better place for muslims....forget other religions or miniorities....

So Bullying Children on basis of religion is common in India, OK. Disgusting mentality
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Good to see Pakistani Muslims caring so much about Indian ones,hopefully they will show similar concern over the Chinese ones.

Don't care about Indian ones, just thanking our stars for being a separate Nation otherwise all this could have been happening to us on a daily basis.

Meanwhile, BBC is exposing India all over the World.
 
Good to see Pakistani Muslims caring so much about Indian ones,hopefully they will show similar concern over the Chinese ones.

The main issue is the hypocrisy of india claiming itself a secular nation. No one would be asking you anything if it was a hindu rashtra. So think carefully which direction india should go.
 
So Bullying Children on basis of religion is common in India, OK. Disgusting mentality
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Yes indian children are also rss ..children most of the times dnt even know what they are saying.....with the age of internet , social sites ..many of today 's children are exposed......Responsibility lies to teachers and parents.......anything more you want to know ?
 
This is one reason I want Partition 2.0. Muslims and Hindus don't have a history of peaceful coexistence. The hindus may have valid historical grievances but not fair on present Indian Muslims that they pay the price of their ancestors not wanting/not being able to migrate to the muslim homelands.

But you don't mind going to the UAE, Saudi, Malaysia and Turkey etc for jobs and a better living standard. Let me remind you these are majority Muslim countries
 
Don't care about Indian ones, just thanking our stars for being a separate Nation otherwise all this could have been happening to us on a daily basis.

Meanwhile, BBC is exposing India all over the World.

BBC has exposed every single nation on earth ....many times.....Anyway we also thank our stars and nkw dnt worry about us as we also never worry about minorities in your country.....For some time forget you ummah and concentrate on the lives of muslims in pakistan, which is not much priced anyway it seems....
 
Pakistanis poking nose as usual only in india...i wonder what they feel about their earlier best friend usa who has blood of millions of muslims in hand....and china their current bestie who dnt even consider muslims as proper human being.....Only thing they know that how muslims are treated in india...
.Even after getting invasions since centuries.. and then a partiton and giving muslims a seperate land and still not even getting a hindu country for themselves , indians still believe in unity and trust me we will be united always.......why dnt they even use there god damn brain man...
 
BBC has exposed every single nation on earth ....many times.....Anyway we also thank our stars and nkw dnt worry about us as we also never worry about minorities in your country.....For some time forget you ummah and concentrate on the lives of muslims in pakistan, which is not much priced anyway it seems....

Your missing the point like a hole in the head.

I will make it as simple as possible.

You have a right wing Hindu radical government in power, whose ministers/members have been making anti Muslim comments on a regular basis since being elected to power.

Minority of Muslims are now facing all sorts of discrimination, threats, violence and even death due to this.

There is no other country on the planet where right wing Hindus are targetting a minority of Muslims from government downwards.

How can you not accept this?
 
Your missing the point like a hole in the head.

I will make it as simple as possible.

You have a right wing Hindu radical government in power, whose ministers/members have been making anti Muslim comments on a regular basis since being elected to power.

Minority of Muslims are now facing all sorts of discrimination, threats, violence and even death due to this.

There is no other country on the planet where right wing Hindus are targetting a minority of Muslims from government downwards.

How can you not accept this?

For me actions speaks louder than words and indian politicians chahe hindus ho ya owaisi jese muslims...bhonkte rehte hi...doesnt matter....Its been almost 4 years since modi govt in power and i dnt see much discrimination or violance against minorities in india except very few cases out of a country of over 125 crore population in which many of them are either poor or uneducated...
 
For me actions speaks louder than words and indian politicians chahe hindus ho ya owaisi jese muslims...bhonkte rehte hi...doesnt matter....Its been almost 4 years since modi govt in power and i dnt see much discrimination or violance against minorities in india except very few cases out of a country of over 125 crore population in which many of them are either poor or uneducated...

Indians keep harping on saying they are the worlds biggest democracy.

Do you find it acceptable government party officials have regularly used religious extremist language against Muslims?

Do you condemn this?

Yes or No will do .
 
Very sad if true, it’s about the mindset and teachings one gives to their kid.. With the rise of islamophobia and internet such ideology is being learnt by kids which is very sad..

Btw I studied in a premier school and a few of my friends used to call names to some of my other friends who were of a lower caste in Hinduism.. It all comes down to upbringing and mindset which isn’t of equality in our nation..
 
Indians keep harping on saying they are the worlds biggest democracy.

Do you find it acceptable government party officials have regularly used religious extremist language against Muslims?

Do you condemn this?

Yes or No will do .

Who doesnt know that indian politics revolves around exploitation of castes system , religions or class and all.. its a open secret. Every single person in india knows this...There is nothing to be accepted . We all know this....
 
Who doesnt know that indian politics revolves around exploitation of castes system , religions or class and all.. its a open secret. Every single person in india knows this...There is nothing to be accepted . We all know this....

I didn't ask if you are aware but if you condemn such speeches or do you find them acceptable?
 
The main issue is the hypocrisy of india claiming itself a secular nation. No one would be asking you anything if it was a hindu rashtra. So think carefully which direction india should go.

No one is asking me anything, so keep your Rajput Rashtra for yourself.
 
Don't care about Indian ones, just thanking our stars for being a separate Nation otherwise all this could have been happening to us on a daily basis.

Meanwhile, BBC is exposing India all over the World.

Yeah actually it would be good when you ask the many Muslims in Pakistan about how it is going,there are multiple threads for the same,so maybe they are not thanking their stars as such.
 
I didn't ask if you are aware but if you condemn such speeches or do you find them acceptable?

Any sane person in this world would condemn these statements , no matter who says this...
but we live in cruel world...india is also not perfect ,but still i appreciate india that after such a bloodbath history ..we are still somehow managing ....Indian politicians give statements on rapes or religions or castes....we somehow have accepted this as we are not able to change it yet and just hoping that with education and some economic rise ,people will keep moving on.....and with time may be someday we can change the course of how politics is being conducted in india...
 
This is systematic oppression of Muslims because even the Police and teachers doesn’t help in such cases.
 
Any sane person in this world would condemn these statements , no matter who says this...
but we live in cruel world...india is also not perfect ,but still i appreciate india that after such a bloodbath history ..we are still somehow managing ....Indian politicians give statements on rapes or religions or castes....we somehow have accepted this as we are not able to change it yet and just hoping that with education and some economic rise ,people will keep moving on.....and with time may be someday we can change the course of how politics is being conducted in india...

Im glad you condemn such speeches, many of your fellow countrymen find it difficult to do so.

You wrote:

"ts been almost 4 years since modi govt in power and i dnt see much discrimination or violance against minorities in india except very few cases "

Unfortunately Amnesty International India does not agree with you. Why would they write this if there isn't much discrimination, threats, violence and killings?

The pattern of hate crimes committed against Muslims with seeming impunity - many of them in states where the Bharatiya Janata Party is in power - is deeply worrying. Unfortunately both the Prime Minister and various Chief Ministers have done little to show that they disapprove of this violence,” said Aakar Patel, Executive Director, Amnesty International India.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/n...ms-and-rising-islamophobia-must-be-condemned/
 
Im glad you condemn such speeches, many of your fellow countrymen find it difficult to do so.

You wrote:

"ts been almost 4 years since modi govt in power and i dnt see much discrimination or violance against minorities in india except very few cases "

Unfortunately Amnesty International India does not agree with you. Why would they write this if there isn't much discrimination, threats, violence and killings?


Only talks..you know what any single killing of a minority especially muslims leads to 24/7 talk shows in india and is politicized always with congress or govt or everyone...so we get to hear all the minority cases only due to this.....
.Creating atmosphere with elections just around the corner next year.....one biggest flaw is there is election of something every time of the year in some part of the country....i hope we only conduct elections at once in 5 years .you will see alot of drop in bhonkna then.
Though many bjp leaders bark and talk poison..,till now bjp has not done the damage to minorities or changed any secular laws of constitution as bjp has come in majority and they can initiage to change laws if they want to without much approval of others. No common people in india want trouble these days and we mostly mind our own business ...
 
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Bringing up a topic doesn't mean you care about them. Pakistanis are not inviting Indian Muslim's over in case this has missed Indian people. We don't need or want them at and it's poeple nonsense again, that's all.
 
Only talks..you know what any single killing of a minority especially muslims leads to 24/7 talk shows in india and is politicized always with congress or govt or everyone...so we get to hear all the minority cases only due to this.....
.Creating atmosphere with elections just around the corner next year.....one biggest flaw is there is election of something every time of the year in some part of the country....i hope we only conduct elections at once in 5 years .you will see alot of drop in bhonkna then.
Though many bjp leaders bark and talk poison..,till now bjp has not done the damage to minorities or changed any secular laws of constitution as bjp has come in majority and they can initiage to change laws if they want to without much approval of others. No common people in india want trouble these days and we mostly mind our own business ...

Human Rights Watch say

The government’s continuing failure to rein in militant groups, combined with inflammatory remarks made by some BJP leaders, has contributed to the impression that leaders are indifferent to growing intolerance.

https://www.hrw.org/world-report/2017/country-chapters/india

Why are you in denial? You have a Hindu extremist government which has created numerous issues including death for Muslims because of their ideology.

I suggest you stop watching Indian news channels and read world media, we all know but you as an India have no clue.
 
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You probably need to read the article again which you shared .Burhan wani....kashmir...srinagar...some beef related killing issues..dalit issues...women issues....all things which happened in whole year which we already have talked about 1000 of times. There is nothing new in this article which we have not debated .
I am not in denial.
If muslims like kashmiris even feel prosecuted like in burma or palestines or any where in the world they would have atleast tried to move to other places like the latter ones i mentioned.
All issues like beef of killing of any muslim in india has been discussed from 24/7 tv shows to number of pages in pakpassion. I am only talking about figures,which doesnt suggest much...
 
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You probably need to read the article again which you shared .Burhan wani....kashmir...srinagar...some beef related killing issues..dalit issues...women issues....all things which happened in whole year which we already have talked about 1000 of times. There is nothing new in this article which we have not debated .
I am not in denial.
If muslims like kashmiris even feel prosecuted like in burma or palestines or any where in the world they would have atleast tried to move to other places like the latter ones i mentioned.
All issues like beef of killing of any muslim in india has been discussed from 24/7 tv shows to number of pages in pakpassion. I am only talking about figures,which doesnt suggest much...

Yes the article mentions Kashmir and other issues but we are not discussing this. Focus on the subject in hand. I only gave you another example from a human rights organisation but you are still in denial.
 
Wow children as young as 5 or 6 are taught to hate Pakistan. But so many Indians take us for fools that no such things happens in India and how supposedly they are minding their own business. And its all Pakistan.

No peace is possible when this kind of indoctrination is rampant in the biggest democracy in the world. Where every problem is simply blamed on the neighbor. Modi had to use the Pakistan card just win the recent Gujrat election. Where heads of state want to breakup Pakistan in 4 pieces.

Look who the warmongerer is.

What happened to Unity in Diversity?
 
If it wasn’t BBC article then a writer or an agency credibility would have been questioned by Nationaliat Indians.

Defense is predictable by nationalist Indians, mind your business and point to other’s shortcoming. A repeated and weak defense usually used by those who can’t defend the indefensible.

If any of them were patriotic Indian they would acknowledge this and would demand end of unfair treatment of minority instead of trying to justifying it, only a nationalist Indian would try to defend this.
 
If it wasn’t BBC article then a writer or an agency credibility would have been questioned by Nationaliat Indians.

Defense is predictable by nationalist Indians, mind your business and point to other’s shortcoming. A repeated and weak defense usually used by those who can’t defend the indefensible.

If any of them were patriotic Indian they would acknowledge this and would demand end of unfair treatment of minority instead of trying to justifying it, only a nationalist Indian would try to defend this.

If you read the article, it talks about what is written in a book by a author. This is not a BBC story but based on a book.
 
The news channels discussions in India are openly made on the grounds of Hindu vs Muslim eg beef, vande mataram, bharat mata ki jay, loud speakers, madarsas etc and this is where people get polarized atlarge but it comes of as an schock to me that school going kids are into this things
 
Why is this coming off as a surprise?
Hindutva politics was always going to bring out the worse in people. These are the same people who used to supress their differences , not even talk about them just to maintain calm.

Now there is a surge in cases where people arent scared to throw slurs and insults based on religion openly. They know the minorities are scared. They know the general wave engulfing India is communal. They see the same discussions on tv, bjp legislators openly ridiculing muslim faith.

The major issues BJP has touched are Kashmiri muslim stone pelters, Pakistani surgical strike, Triple talaq, Cow protection from muslims, Love jihad etc. How many "reforms" have been brought about in other religions? What impression does it give to a common Hindu and a common muslim. A sense of superiority and power to Hindus and weakness to Muslims.

Our children grow up in the same society. They hear people talk. And then they talk with each other about such things. Even we did it when we were small kids but the difference is we talked about more innocent things.

I predict that nothing will change in the coming years and a riot is due between hindus and muslims in next few years.
 
Why is this coming off as a surprise?
Hindutva politics was always going to bring out the worse in people. These are the same people who used to supress their differences , not even talk about them just to maintain calm.

Now there is a surge in cases where people arent scared to throw slurs and insults based on religion openly. They know the minorities are scared. They know the general wave engulfing India is communal. They see the same discussions on tv, bjp legislators openly ridiculing muslim faith.

The major issues BJP has touched are Kashmiri muslim stone pelters, Pakistani surgical strike, Triple talaq, Cow protection from muslims, Love jihad etc. How many "reforms" have been brought about in other religions? What impression does it give to a common Hindu and a common muslim. A sense of superiority and power to Hindus and weakness to Muslims.

Our children grow up in the same society. They hear people talk. And then they talk with each other about such things. Even we did it when we were small kids but the difference is we talked about more innocent things.

I predict that nothing will change in the coming years and a riot is due between hindus and muslims in next few years.

What you are saying is true but don't you think religion discussed by parents in front of/or with their children over the years already created a passive discrimination?Isn't that what lead to partition anyway?

Religion is a tool for discrimination already,BJP exploited that similar to how RSS or Muslim League did as well.

If one was to ask what is the root cause for the issues what do you think it is?
 
What you are saying is true but don't you think religion discussed by parents in front of/or with their children over the years already created a passive discrimination?Isn't that what lead to partition anyway?

Religion is a tool for discrimination already,BJP exploited that similar to how RSS or Muslim League did as well.

If one was to ask what is the root cause for the issues what do you think it is?

Passive discrimination will always be there whether one wants to admit it or not. It is there in every single society of the entire world based on all kinds of differences no matter how modern, secular or prosperous the nation is. It is a social reality which simply cannot be removed unless you create a supremely uniform state with uniform population and uniform beliefs and tastes and preferences. In short its impossible to remove it. I am sure you would agree with me when i say that previously common people in India used to try and avoid pointing fingers at each other based on their religion. They used to say pleasant things and point to the things they like.

It becomes a problem when discriminatio becomes agressive discrimination and thats what is happening now. Make no mistake, it used to happen before as well but now the common man is falling deeper and deeper in this pit. Like i said, its a wave and its not going to stop anytime soon.

Partition happened in different circumstances. Greed for power, mistrust because of british, religious differences and many more factors contributed to it. Today hindus and muslims live in one country together. Those circumstances of 1947 dont exist. Bjp has revived some of those differences and thats a horrible thing.

There is no one Root cause of the issue. But if i have to sum up in one sentence, the biggest problem is the failure to reach a middle ground. Sometimes it is tyranny of majority opinion and sometimes it is uncompromising attitude of the minority.
 
Sadly, this seems to be happening in every country in the world at the moment.

But Muslims shouldn't push it under the 'minorities are discriminated everywhere' rug. It's a fact that Muslims are being targeted solely because of their religion.
 
Passive discrimination will always be there whether one wants to admit it or not. It is there in every single society of the entire world based on all kinds of differences no matter how modern, secular or prosperous the nation is. It is a social reality which simply cannot be removed unless you create a supremely uniform state with uniform population and uniform beliefs and tastes and preferences. In short its impossible to remove it. I am sure you would agree with me when i say that previously common people in India used to try and avoid pointing fingers at each other based on their religion. They used to say pleasant things and point to the things they like.

It becomes a problem when discriminatio becomes agressive discrimination and thats what is happening now. Make no mistake, it used to happen before as well but now the common man is falling deeper and deeper in this pit. Like i said, its a wave and its not going to stop anytime soon.

Partition happened in different circumstances. Greed for power, mistrust because of british, religious differences and many more factors contributed to it. Today hindus and muslims live in one country together. Those circumstances of 1947 dont exist. Bjp has revived some of those differences and thats a horrible thing.

There is no one Root cause of the issue. But if i have to sum up in one sentence, the biggest problem is the failure to reach a middle ground. Sometimes it is tyranny of majority opinion and sometimes it is uncompromising attitude of the minority.

Good post thanks.
 
Passive discrimination will always be there whether one wants to admit it or not. It is there in every single society of the entire world based on all kinds of differences no matter how modern, secular or prosperous the nation is. It is a social reality which simply cannot be removed unless you create a supremely uniform state with uniform population and uniform beliefs and tastes and preferences. In short its impossible to remove it. I am sure you would agree with me when i say that previously common people in India used to try and avoid pointing fingers at each other based on their religion. They used to say pleasant things and point to the things they like.

It becomes a problem when discriminatio becomes agressive discrimination and thats what is happening now. Make no mistake, it used to happen before as well but now the common man is falling deeper and deeper in this pit. Like i said, its a wave and its not going to stop anytime soon.

Partition happened in different circumstances. Greed for power, mistrust because of british, religious differences and many more factors contributed to it. Today hindus and muslims live in one country together. Those circumstances of 1947 dont exist. Bjp has revived some of those differences and thats a horrible thing.

There is no one Root cause of the issue. But if i have to sum up in one sentence, the biggest problem is the failure to reach a middle ground. Sometimes it is tyranny of majority opinion and sometimes it is uncompromising attitude of the minority.

Well this has to be one of the very few posts of yours , i liked while reading....
 
What's more pathetic is the judiciary which is sold out. Everyone knew there was corruption in the Supreme court but the press conference of the senior judges was an eye opener. The CJI and his croonies are just puppets of this govt. They are not even giving justice to one of their own judge (Justice Loya's case) inorder to protect Amit shah.

This is the first time something of this sort is happening in the supreme court. If things are rotten this much, people will loose their faith in judiciary and democracy.
 
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What's more pathetic is the judiciary which is sold out. Everyone knew there was corruption in the Supreme court but the press conference of the senior judges was an eye opener. The CJI and his croonies are just puppets of this govt. They are not even giving justice to one of their own judge (Justice Loya's case) inorder to protect Amit shah.

This is the first time something of this sort is happening in the supreme court. If things are rotten this much, people will loose their faith in judiciary and the democracy will fall.

Justice Loya's family are not suspicious of the death, so who is being denied justice?

That is why I say there should be Partition 2.0 with Kerala as God's own country.
 
A massive Riot is just around the corner in the Assam State of India cause just a week back the Assam Govt released it's 1st list of people who are geniune citizen of the state basically it's a drive to flush out Bangladeshi/Muslims out from Assam and the final list is due to be out in some months and then the people who are left out in the list will be facing many too many problems and that could spark fire in the state.
 
Disturbing. No child regardless of race, religion, etc.. should ever be bullied. We've heard of growing anti-Muslim rhetoric in India for a while but I'd really like to know how common is it for Hindus to have Muslim friends? I don't mean acquaintances but lets say in the group of your best buddies?
 
Disturbing. No child regardless of race, religion, etc.. should ever be bullied. We've heard of growing anti-Muslim rhetoric in India for a while but I'd really like to know how common is it for Hindus to have Muslim friends? I don't mean acquaintances but lets say in the group of your best buddies?

Very common. In India you end up meeting all kinds of people all the time.
 
This should be an eye opener to those who take their freedom for granted in Pakistan. Pakistan might not be the most perfect place on earth but it's still a paradise compared to 2nd Class status of a Muslim living in India under the constant bullying, humiliation and threat of violence.

Pakistan is no better than India. Only difference is that Hindus are the bullies in India while Muslims face the brunt of the bullying (even compared to other non-Hindus) whereas Muslims (sunni Muslims to be more specific) are the bullies in Pakistan and non Muslims get bullied, humiliated and live under constant threat of violence (Ahmadis probably more so than other non Muslims, followed closely by Christians).
 
Problem is they'll keep Pakistan destabilized too through Kulbushan Jadhavs so their egos don't get hurt if there's a progressive Pakistan. Though I don't blame them entirely, there's a combination of factors into play.

Indians would have always hated Pakistan even if there were no wars or border conflicts, because Pakistan is after all a rejection of India, but things here got screwed in past 30-40 years.
 
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This is a non story.

I suspect most of the contributers in this thread did not go to school in the UK during the 80s and 90s.

Well I did, and I can tell you any brown looking kid back then was bullied for looking like an Indian.

Swings and round-a-bouts.
 
This is just some made up B-S. Yes, bullying does happen in Indian schools (being victim myself) its hardly case of racism. The author of the article is trying hard to make it look like as if every muslim students in India is target of racism which is not true. There might be odd cases here and there but that is bound to happen when you have billion plus population.

Now a days some muslim (including kids/teens) are just seeking attention and playing victim card. Just recently here in Toronto, a 11 year old muslim girl made a false claim of target of hatred crime only days later to be found not true by Toronto police. Its a two way street, there are some genuine cases of racial attack and some are just made up stories. Sad part is we dont really know which ones are true.
 
Now a days some muslim (including kids/teens) are just seeking attention and playing victim card. Just recently here in Toronto, a 11 year old muslim girl made a false claim of target of hatred crime only days later to be found not true by Toronto police. Its a two way street, there are some genuine cases of racial attack and some are just made up stories. Sad part is we dont really know which ones are true.

Totally agree with this. If anything happened to me anywhere, the last thing I would even contemplate is prattling out the fact that I should cry out loud and say it's happened because I'm boo hoo a Hindu. That sounds ludicrous even to my own ears. Heck, even if that did happen I will be more than happy to throw Hinduism under the bus and fight my isolated battle then and there.

Yes, I am sure Muslims are occasionally targeted for their faith all over the world, but there is the phenomenon of crying wolf you know? Surely every incident where a Muslim is involved is not a case of racism or discrimination.
 
Totally agree with this. If anything happened to me anywhere, the last thing I would even contemplate is prattling out the fact that I should cry out loud and say it's happened because I'm boo hoo a Hindu. That sounds ludicrous even to my own ears. Heck, even if that did happen I will be more than happy to throw Hinduism under the bus and fight my isolated battle then and there.

Yes, I am sure Muslims are occasionally targeted for their faith all over the world, but there is the phenomenon of crying wolf you know? Surely every incident where a Muslim is involved is not a case of racism or discrimination.

Totally agree with you. However, in this case the girl claimed that her hijab was ripped off by pair of scissors by ‘6ft asian man’ and he ran off. Now, how exactly did he managed to rip off hijab while she was wearing a wintercoat covering her head. Man from behind wouldn’t even know she is wearing a hijab.

This whole story look fishy the moment it came to the news.

Coming to your point, playing victim card have become norm by some muslims. If you reject them for a job, they would cry racism (happned with my firm). It seems some muslim kids are brought up in a way that World is against muslim and they need to see everything and everyone as enemy of Islam.

Thankfully my parents didnt brought me up in that way. They taught me to be Human first and then Muslim.
 
Coming to your point, playing victim card have become norm by some muslims. If you reject them for a job, they would cry racism (happned with my firm). It seems some muslim kids are brought up in a way that World is against muslim and they need to see everything and everyone as enemy of Islam.

Thankfully my parents didnt brought me up in that way. They taught me to be Human first and then Muslim.

True. I feel it's all about identity and how many people just have only one single identity and its their religion. So if they unsuccessful in things or facing trouble, they look at their religious identity and take it as a conspiracy against it. But every individual has many identities, and that's the key. There is a professional identity where like you just aren't good enough to get the job. There is a child identity where bullying is a part of it, and that's different from racism.
 
Two of the cleverest yet the 'Dumbest Nations' on the planet that share so much commonalities yet can not live side by side peacefully and have sincere respect for each other . Just imagine for 1 sec the tremendous potential these two countries have IF only they could get along and relax Visas.

I have been to India and have seen the love and respect I was given as a Pakistani before the Modi government however all these killings in the name of religion sickens me. We need to move on, too much hatred has been sowed in our society, we need to teach our children the importance of being respectful of all faiths and have a progressive mind if we are to have any chance of competing with the rest of the world . PEACE not WAR is the only answer to our survival.
 
What's more pathetic is the judiciary which is sold out. Everyone knew there was corruption in the Supreme court but the press conference of the senior judges was an eye opener. The CJI and his croonies are just puppets of this govt. They are not even giving justice to one of their own judge (Justice Loya's case) inorder to protect Amit shah.

This is the first time something of this sort is happening in the supreme court. If things are rotten this much, people will loose their faith in judiciary and democracy.

Another evidence for the corruption in the Supreme court. Wth is going on there.:facepalm:

https://thewire.in/213787/medical-college-bribery-scam-cbi-tapes-talk-prasad-temple-delhi-allahabad/
 
Two of the cleverest yet the 'Dumbest Nations' on the planet that share so much commonalities yet can not live side by side peacefully and have sincere respect for each other . Just imagine for 1 sec the tremendous potential these two countries have IF only they could get along and relax Visas.

I have been to India and have seen the love and respect I was given as a Pakistani before the Modi government however all these killings in the name of religion sickens me. We need to move on, too much hatred has been sowed in our society, we need to teach our children the importance of being respectful of all faiths and have a progressive mind if we are to have any chance of competing with the rest of the world . PEACE not WAR is the only answer to our survival.

Pretty sure you'll still be received warmly, without knowing the exact background of your visit. A change in Prime Minister doesn't mean anything.
 
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