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The Indian Team management's love for KL Rahul: Picked as wicketkeeper over Ishan Kishan

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KL was once hailed as the leader of thr next gen of the Indian batting. Poor fitness, regular injuries, distraction from showbiz etc caused him to not realize that potential ever.

But despite his continuous failures, the team management is hell bent on playing him by sidelining others.

Ishan Kishan who just scored a ODIs 200 has been dropped from the team. The skipper announced that they want to give Gill a chance.

But actually the chance is being given to KL. All of a sudden, a country that has wk batsman like Kishan or Samson, is planning to play KL as non regular keeper batsman.

Seems the favouritism of the Indian team management knows no bounds. And the BCCI is too weak to rein them in.
 
I think its a correct decision. Ishan Kishan is bit of a hack and would mostly struggle in international cricket against better bowlers. A litlle bit of swing and he looks like a tailender. I know he got a double century recently but that dosen't mean he is an improved batsman overnight.

People would hate me for saying this but KL Rahul is class. I know he had a terrible last year but we cant drop a batsman of such pedigree after investing so much in him. Rahul's problem is his temperament, he is a meek player. Once he sort that out he can still be an asset. His test century at Lords for example is anything out of Kishan's calibre. We need to give a longer rope to KL Rahul.
 
I think its a correct decision. Ishan Kishan is bit of a hack and would mostly struggle in international cricket against better bowlers. A litlle bit of swing and he looks like a tailender. I know he got a double century recently but that dosen't mean he is an improved batsman overnight.

People would hate me for saying this but KL Rahul is class. I know he had a terrible last year but we cant drop a batsman of such pedigree after investing so much in him. Rahul's problem is his temperament, he is a meek player. Once he sort that out he can still be an asset. His test century at Lords for example is anything out of Kishan's calibre. We need to give a longer rope to KL Rahul.

Hack in what? Did you check performance against SA? He absolutely destroyed Nortje.
 
I think its a correct decision. Ishan Kishan is bit of a hack and would mostly struggle in international cricket against better bowlers. A litlle bit of swing and he looks like a tailender. I know he got a double century recently but that dosen't mean he is an improved batsman overnight.

People would hate me for saying this but KL Rahul is class. I know he had a terrible last year but we cant drop a batsman of such pedigree after investing so much in him. Rahul's problem is his temperament, he is a meek player. Once he sort that out he can still be an asset. His test century at Lords for example is anything out of Kishan's calibre. We need to give a longer rope to KL Rahul.

What class are u talking about. He is a mental midget . Never has he won us a match in crunch situations . The most useless player to play for India after Noel David . He can’t even hold a single catch in crunch situations . Forget his batting
 
What class are u talking about. He is a mental midget . Never has he won us a match in crunch situations . The most useless player to play for India after Noel David . He can’t even hold a single catch in crunch situations . Forget his batting

He has no class. He can get bowled through both inside edge and outside edge. Even with ultra selfish batting he averaged only 27 last year @80. India lost world T20 due to that guy. Will lose ODI world cup due to the same guy. Uncontrollable corruption in Indian cricket. All the performers immediately dropped. Bishnoi, Kuldeep, Kishan.
 
Even SKY should have been backed in this format given his form. He was not picked either.
 
He has no class. He can get bowled through both inside edge and outside edge. Even with ultra selfish batting he averaged only 27 last year @80. India lost world T20 due to that guy. Will lose ODI world cup due to the same guy. Uncontrollable corruption in Indian cricket. All the performers immediately dropped. Bishnoi, Kuldeep, Kishan.

Coach dravid is most moronic coach we have ever had .

Single handed he has managed to loose odi in Bangla , t20 wc humiliation and now killing kishan after bishnoi and kuldeep .

Zero accountability . Even our sports journalists are useless . Nobody grills sharma as to why a player who fu.. Ed the living daylight out of Bangla should be dropped.
 
I think its a correct decision. Ishan Kishan is bit of a hack and would mostly struggle in international cricket against better bowlers. A litlle bit of swing and he looks like a tailender. I know he got a double century recently but that dosen't mean he is an improved batsman overnight.

People would hate me for saying this but KL Rahul is class. I know he had a terrible last year but we cant drop a batsman of such pedigree after investing so much in him. Rahul's problem is his temperament, he is a meek player. Once he sort that out he can still be an asset. His test century at Lords for example is anything out of Kishan's calibre. We need to give a longer rope to KL Rahul.

0 left handers in top 6 will hurt us in long run.
 
0 left handers in top 6 will hurt us in long run.

We have seen the gig before. Same old guys minus Dhawan. Only difference. Even when they were in peak form they perished in crunch games. Now they are not even in full form. Once they bury our chances they will retire.
 
These guys know pretty well that their IPL salaries will drop as soon as they are thrown out of the Indian national team. Hopefully those who were equating cricketers with businessmen are feeling proud of these talented businessmen now? :inti
 
We need to somehow accommodate Suryakumar Yadav in our ODI team. He is also a tad hack'ish in my view and don't have the copybook technique but in peak form at present. Considering he is 31 already, its not as if he has a lot of cricket left in him. We need to utilize his present form and see if he can replicate his T20 exploits in ODIs batting for us at no.5

For that to happen, KL Rahul need to open with Rohit. Unfortunately, Gill need to sit out until the world cup. Kohli bats at 3, followed by Shreyas, Suryakumar & Pandya.

I have nothing against Ishan Kishan but he would struggle against most teams if the ball swing an inch with that technique. People are confusing T20 cricket with 50 overs format. Cricket may have changed a lot but technique is still important.

Let me give an example - we all know Shreyas Iyer has an issue with Short ball but if you see him bat, his bat & pad always close meaning he has got an assured compact defence and would score runs more often that not. Same goes for Virat Kohli, KL Rahul or even Pandya. A truck can pass through Kishan's bat & pad and most fast bowlers would expose that technique with new ball. Mind you he is an opener, how is game against spin is, is irrelevant.
 
We need to somehow accommodate Suryakumar Yadav in our ODI team. He is also a tad hack'ish in my view and don't have the copybook technique but in peak form at present. Considering he is 31 already, its not as if he has a lot of cricket left in him. We need to utilize his present form and see if he can replicate his T20 exploits in ODIs batting for us at no.5

For that to happen, KL Rahul need to open with Rohit. Unfortunately, Gill need to sit out until the world cup. Kohli bats at 3, followed by Shreyas, Suryakumar & Pandya.

I have nothing against Ishan Kishan but he would struggle against most teams if the ball swing an inch with that technique. People are confusing T20 cricket with 50 overs format. Cricket may have changed a lot but technique is still important.

Let me give an example - we all know Shreyas Iyer has an issue with Short ball but if you see him bat, his bat & pad always close meaning he has got an assured compact defence and would score runs more often that not. Same goes for Virat Kohli, KL Rahul or even Pandya. A truck can pass through Kishan's bat & pad and most fast bowlers would expose that technique with new ball. Mind you he is an opener, how is game against spin is, is irrelevant.

Ishan can and will succeed against swing etc . The only way u will know if he will fail is by allowing him to open . But in peak form after a 200 u don’t allow him to open , then are u wanting him straight at lords to open for india ? This rahul fandom has to end . He is a mental midget and don’t recollect him performing against any opposition and winning india crucial games . He is MIA
 
Seeing KLR in India colours just boils my blood. Unfortunately, he will continue to be part of the team scene until Dravid continues to be the coach - he continue to favour a player who has zero capability to thrive at this level only because he is from your state.

Just hope Rohit, Rahul D and KLR are kicked out of the team for good
 
We have to bear this world cup with all these atrocities... Looking at all these things, I feel Ravi Shastri was much better (at least our test team flourished under him! Also we were winning lots of LOI overseas bilateral series in SENA)

Coming to KL Rahul, he needed some of this backing in the early part of his career when he was dropped consistently. That's when he should have cemented his place in the side as all format opener (like Gambhir). But the presence of Rohit & Dhawan and the demands of T20/IPL disturbed his rhythm completely.

Now I agree we should move on from him, and I guess that will happen after the world cup! I still believe he has a career in tests (as opener) and if he completely concentrates on it (also there are not enough options for us when it comes to openers in tests!) should forget LOIs completely (and continue to play selfish innings as opener in IPL only as it doesn't bother us much, let the IPL show run and he make some money!)

One thing we should remember, he is one guy who has had lots of distractions in his career (from being a conservative opener in Tests to becoming an option in LOIs, demands of T20s/IPL, getting pushed to Middle Order due to competition in LOIs, having to keep wickets, injuries, controversies, etc, etc.) This has unfortunately reflected in his performance and he couldn't overcome!

But have to say that Gambhir had a pretty good career as all format opener compared to Rahul (perhaps Rahul has done slightly better in tests despite lots of failures & disappointments!)
 
Class will be class and hacks will be hacks.

We need to back class players like Gill, Rahul etc who will reap us long term benefits. Players like Kishan would never succeed in international cricket.

I am throwing out another name who will make it big in international cricket next. His name is Yasasvi Jaiswal, guy is pure class. Play him now and thank me later.
 
Class will be class and hacks will be hacks.

We need to back class players like Gill, Rahul etc who will reap us long term benefits. Players like Kishan would never succeed in international cricket.

I am throwing out another name who will make it big in international cricket next. His name is Yasasvi Jaiswal, guy is pure class. Play him now and thank me later.

So according to you, Kishan should be dropped for KL Rahul? :inti
 
Deserves a ban for his appeal.

Nothing will happen but definitely deserves a 1-2 match ban for that. Blatant cheating, if he was joking around don't appeal and waste everyones time.
 
Deserves a ban for his appeal.

Nothing will happen but definitely deserves a 1-2 match ban for that. Blatant cheating, if he was joking around don't appeal and waste everyones time.

Hypocrisy much, bhai? Latham cheated 1st time. Second time he tried same - after ball left the bat, at least that time he could have said, i did it! Then he must be banned for the year.

Ishan was great, I was also unhappy at first about the titfortat, but then I thought thru and I like him more now.
 
Hypocrisy much, bhai? Latham cheated 1st time. Second time he tried same - after ball left the bat, at least that time he could have said, i did it! Then he must be banned for the year.

Ishan was great, I was also unhappy at first about the titfortat, but then I thought thru and I like him more now.
No way Latham could tell if he clipped it or not. If anything, it was accidental. Latham isn't the type to cheat and isn't a natural keeper and him unknowingly getting that close and clipping is a mistake. Kishan was deliberately cheating and wasted everyones time, even Gavaskar called him out on it. This is an ex Indian player who clearly wasn't happy about it.
 
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[MENTION=142626]arunpsm[/MENTION] there's a reason Latham was clearly unhappy about Kisan's antics. What happened with his accidental and he has no idea whether he clipped the bails or the ball hit it. Fair enough if he left it at that and didn't appeal, but he wasted everyones time by appealing and it being checked.

Even cameras couldn't tell, the only thing you could really see was the ball slightly over the bail and Latham's gloves near the stumps. You couldn't really tell if Latham hit it or not, but you can assume it was from the gloves because the ball looked to be above the bails.
 
ICC Code of Conduct

The ICC Code of Conduct is part of the ICC’s continuing efforts to maintain the public image, popularity and integrity of cricket by providing:
(a) an effective means to deter any participant from conducting themselves improperly on and off the ‘field-of-play’ or in a manner that is contrary to the ‘spirit of cricket’; and
(b) a robust disciplinary procedure pursuant to which all matters of improper conduct can be dealt with fairly, with certainty and in an expeditious manner.

ICC wont do a thing.
 
[MENTION=142626]arunpsm[/MENTION] there's a reason Latham was clearly unhappy about Kisan's antics. What happened with his accidental and he has no idea whether he clipped the bails or the ball hit it. Fair enough if he left it at that and didn't appeal, but he wasted everyones time by appealing and it being checked.

Even cameras couldn't tell, the only thing you could really see was the ball slightly over the bail and Latham's gloves near the stumps. You couldn't really tell if Latham hit it or not, but you can assume it was from the gloves because the ball looked to be above the bails.

Yeah the 1st time was clever and you can give Latham the benefit of doubt (but i wont); what about 2nd time though? I think it was Gill and he had already hit the ball somewhere between point and cover, but then Latham takes bail with glove. At least then he must be 120% certain neither ball nor batsman was involved so why did he appeal!!!
 
Yeah the 1st time was clever and you can give Latham the benefit of doubt (but i wont); what about 2nd time though? I think it was Gill and he had already hit the ball somewhere between point and cover, but then Latham takes bail with glove. At least then he must be 120% certain neither ball nor batsman was involved.
Latham is not a keeper, him accidentally hitting the stumps means little. He isn't good with positioning and dropped Gill and missed a stumping chance.

He's not a cheat and his character has never been questioned. I really doubt he did any of it on purpose, he's a makeshift keeper who just doesn't have great positioning and technique.
 
Latham is not a keeper, him accidentally hitting the stumps means little. He isn't good with positioning and dropped Gill and missed a stumping chance.

He's not a cheat and his character has never been questioned. I really doubt he did any of it on purpose, he's a makeshift keeper who just doesn't have great positioning and technique.

What tells you Ishan's character is dodgy?
 
What tells you Ishan's character is dodgy?
Dude he literally knocked the bails off, full well knowing it was going to do nothing and then appealed.

Nothing about his character, should be hit with a ban for being an unfunny idiot.
 
Dude he literally knocked the bails off, full well knowing it was going to do nothing and then appealed.

Nothing about his character, should be hit with a ban for being an unfunny idiot.

Technically maybe. But i guess the whole team was irritated by Pandya's dismissal and Latham making the same mistake couple of overs later. That went to 3rd umpire as well when the batsman was nowhere near the stumps.
 
Technically maybe. But i guess the whole team was irritated by Pandya's dismissal and Latham making the same mistake couple of overs later. That went to 3rd umpire as well when the batsman was nowhere near the stumps.
Do you think Latham is the type to do that on purpose?
 
I dunno, but do you think Umpires would refer that upstairs without an appeal from the bowling side?
Was Latham wrong to appeal that? He was collecting the ball, and at the same time the bails came off. Went to review and it was the Indian third umpire who made the wrong call.

In the end it hurt us more than anything as it gave more strike to Gill.
 
Was Latham wrong to appeal that? He was collecting the ball, and at the same time the bails came off. Went to review and it was the Indian third umpire who made the wrong call.

In the end it hurt us more than anything as it gave more strike to Gill.

For arguments sake, lets just agree on the first one. What about the second one referred when Gill was on strike?
 
Was Latham wrong to appeal that? He was collecting the ball, and at the same time the bails came off. Went to review and it was the Indian third umpire who made the wrong call.

In the end it hurt us more than anything as it gave more strike to Gill.

Sir, I think he is referring to the second instance, and I have a feeling you did not see that instance or its replays at all and still defending Latham (mixing up both instances). First time his luck worked (because we had a potato for TV umpire). Second time he appealed it was just ludicrous! So thats what makes me suspicious abt 1st instance. Ok, i heard your defence, but i am not convinced. So lets leave it at that.
 
For arguments sake, lets just agree on the first one. What about the second one referred when Gill was on strike?
Didn't see it.

But Latham's technique is just bad. He's collecting the ball way to close to the stumps and has no idea of his surroundings, he dropped Gill and missed a stumping chance earlier - he's at best a sub par keeper. If he continues like this, there's a good chance he takes a catch before the stumps by mistake.

Needs to work on his keeping bad, hopefully this incident will get him working on his positoning.
 
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LMAO I just saw the incident.

Latham literally collects the ball and throws it to Bracewell to continue. He didn't even appeal. The team didn't come together for the review, they were all in position for the next ball to be bowled.

What a massive reach from both of you. Embarrassing. Try to be unbiased rather than drag someone's character.

If anything it just proves the point that he needs to work on his positioning if he's hitting the stumps when the batsmen is that far away from the stumps and hits the ball. He was expecting the ball to come to him and doesn't look.
 
LMAO I just saw the incident.

Latham literally collects the ball and throws it to Bracewell to continue. He didn't even appeal. The team didn't come together for the review, they were all in position for the next ball to be bowled.

What a massive reach from both of you. Embarrassing. Try to be unbiased rather than drag someone's character.

If anything it just proves the point that he needs to work on his positioning if he's hitting the stumps when the batsmen is that far away from the stumps and hits the ball. He was expecting the ball to come to him and doesn't look.

And umpires referred it just like that, without no one asking? I think i know who is biased here and it is not me.
 
And umpires referred it just like that, without no one asking? I think i know who is biased here and it is not me.
Check it out for yourself. No one was celebrating.

Literally no one bothered. Latham was ready for the next ball to be bowled while the review was going on.

It's a massive reach. Latham is a smart cricketer and would not expect to get away with something like that.
 
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Check it out for yourself.

Literally no one bothered. Latham was ready for the next ball to be bowled while the review was going on.

I saw it live. All i am saying is, umpires wont refer if there was no appeal. We have seen many times wind knocking off the bails.


One reason i could think of, maybe they were checking whether he dislodged it before batsman played the shot.
 
Check it out for yourself. No one was celebrating.

Literally no one bothered. Latham was ready for the next ball to be bowled while the review was going on.

It's a massive reach. Latham is a smart cricketer and would not expect to get away with something like that.

Same way, Ishan was just giving back what he thought was an injustice. He is also sure that he would not get away with it.
 
Latham taking unfair advantage is ok, he is not that type.

But but but ban Ishan Kishan.
 
Latham is not a keeper, him accidentally hitting the stumps means little. He isn't good with positioning and dropped Gill and missed a stumping chance.

He's not a cheat and his character has never been questioned. I really doubt he did any of it on purpose, he's a makeshift keeper who just doesn't have great positioning and technique.

ahh the gentleman and character card again. we are a good team, gentlemen, we smile.
means nothing for yesterday's incident. he did it twice, don't care if he is a make shift keeper, part timer etc. that is all NZ's problem. the guy did it twice and has been dished out his own medicine later.
 
let the ICC check both the incidents and punish one/both accordingly, that is fine. but i absolutely support ishan giving latham his own treatment. it wasn't even harmful, abusive, violent or cost his wicket, why the outcry?
latham needed it, let's see if latham learns and takes care of his gloves the next time.
 
Same way, Ishan was just giving back what he thought was an injustice. He is also sure that he would not get away with it.
Except one was clearly deliberate and he knew was not out.

Try to be objective Indian fans, you're perpetuating the biased and rondu reputation Indian fans have.
 
let the ICC check both the incidents and punish one/both accordingly, that is fine. but i absolutely support ishan giving latham his own treatment. it wasn't even harmful, abusive, violent or cost his wicket, why the outcry?
latham needed it, let's see if latham learns and takes care of his gloves the next time.
Latham did not break any rules, what Kishan did was against the ICC code of ethics. There's a reason why even ex Indian players were criticizing him.
 
Ishan’s character is dodgy.. but what has that got to do with cricket?Aus since 70s and reverse swing in weird ways cricket is filled with dodgy characters.

His character is for-everyone to see in Netflix documentary on Mumbai Indians.
 
Ishan’s character is dodgy.. but what has that got to do with cricket?Aus since 70s and reverse swing in weird ways cricket is filled with dodgy characters.

His character is for-everyone to see in Netflix documentary on Mumbai Indians.
Breached the ICC code for spirit of the game, exact same term was used by Gavaskar when it happened.

If the roles were reversed you would be wanting a ban to teach Latham a lesson.
 
Breached the ICC code for spirit of the game, exact same term was used by Gavaskar when it happened.

If the roles were reversed you would be wanting a ban to teach Latham a lesson.

Never .. lol I have always said ban for fights and fixing..
Spirit of the game is overrated..
 
Never .. lol I have always said ban for fights and fixing..
Spirit of the game is overrated..
If someone did that to you during the game, would you be seriously fne with it?

Not funny and actually wasted everyones time.
 
If someone did that to you during the game, would you be seriously fne with it?

Not funny and actually wasted everyones time.
If we are gonna take action against wasting time, there would be action at the end of all 5 days of a test match.
 
If we are gonna take action against wasting time, there would be action at the end of all 5 days of a test match.
Needlessly.

Your own legend was annoyed by it.

Rohit didn't look pleased about it either.
 
Joshila has got this one right seems. The competition is tight but Kishan seems to have grabbed his chances wel.
 
I think its a correct decision. Ishan Kishan is bit of a hack and would mostly struggle in international cricket against better bowlers. A litlle bit of swing and he looks like a tailender. I know he got a double century recently but that dosen't mean he is an improved batsman overnight.

People would hate me for saying this but KL Rahul is class. I know he had a terrible last year but we cant drop a batsman of such pedigree after investing so much in him. Rahul's problem is his temperament, he is a meek player. Once he sort that out he can still be an asset. His test century at Lords for example is anything out of Kishan's calibre. We need to give a longer rope to KL Rahul.

Class class nonsense has already costed India humiliations in T20 WC in last 3-4 years. He wa mediocre in WC'19 too, played as if he is a 20 year old youngster with few good knocks in a long tournament.

Rahul shouldn't be given long rope but removed from rope.
 
Class class nonsense has already costed India humiliations in T20 WC in last 3-4 years. He wa mediocre in WC'19 too, played as if he is a 20 year old youngster with few good knocks in a long tournament.

Rahul shouldn't be given long rope but removed from rope.
I think with this innings, Rip for justice for Samson slogan.
 
There is no opening slot for KL. He has failed to cement his opening chances for years.
In the middle order, I would pick Ishan over KL. One can expect Ishan to counterattack and score some quick runs. KL fails under pressure situations. The guy doesn't have mental strength to handle the pressure.
 
There is no opening slot for KL. He has failed to cement his opening chances for years.
In the middle order, I would pick Ishan over KL. One can expect Ishan to counterattack and score some quick runs. KL fails under pressure situations. The guy doesn't have mental strength to handle the pressure.
Knowing our management, they will slot kl in to 5 and will say he is in the pecking order/process garbage.in worst case,they may push ishan to opening and have kl.
 
It wouldn't be justifiable to replace Ishaan with KL Rahul as Ishaan is in exceptional form these days.
 
My only doubt revolved around his ability to bat in the middle order but he's proven himself. The bigger issues remain with the top 3 and the balance being affected by frauds like Jadeja.
 
My only doubt revolved around his ability to bat in the middle order but he's proven himself. The bigger issues remain with the top 3 and the balance being affected by frauds like Jadeja.
If Rahul gets fit , he will be the first choice WK in World Cup.

Gill , Sharma , Kohli , Iyer , Rahul , Pandya , Jadeja, shami , bumrah , thakur , kuldeep , this is the Team India will go with.
 
If Rahul gets fit , he will be the first choice WK in World Cup.

Gill , Sharma , Kohli , Iyer , Rahul , Pandya , Jadeja, shami , bumrah , thakur , kuldeep , this is the Team India will go with.
Beautiful. I hope this team gets smashed by everyone and India has a horror World Cup. I want us to be absolutely thrashed by Pakistan throughout the Asia Cup and in Ahmedabad and want us to lose close matches to BD and SL as well.
 
Beautiful. I hope this team gets smashed by everyone and India has a horror World Cup. I want us to be absolutely thrashed by Pakistan throughout the Asia Cup and in Ahmedabad and want us to lose close matches to BD and SL as well.
Even in that case rohit pr team will blame Agarkar.He will shamelessly offers to lead the team in the name of experience. Both captain and coach became the epitome of mediocrity in leadership and favouritism.
 
BCCI chief selector Ajit Agarkar:

"KL Rahul looked really good during the training camp but picked up that niggle which we had talked about just before the Asia Cup which he had mentioned before. But he has gotten over it already. In last few days he has played two 50-over matches. Kept for 50 overs as well and batted for almost for the duration 50 overs. He is an important player for us and we are happy to have him back," he said.

This update also implies that Rahul will shortly join the Indian squad in Colombo for the Super Four stage of the Asia Cup. Ishan Kishan had batted in his stead in the two matches that India played so far and scored a stunning 82 against Pakistan.
 
Beautiful. I hope this team gets smashed by everyone and India has a horror World Cup. I want us to be absolutely thrashed by Pakistan throughout the Asia Cup and in Ahmedabad and want us to lose close matches to BD and SL as well.
That is not going to happen. In India , India is a solid team , difficult to beat. I expect India to reach semi finals , but if India play Australia and England , it will be difficult for them. Those two teams are very well balanced.
 
I am completely surprised, we are witnessing KL 2.0 who looks more determined and is showcasing improved keeping skills as well.
 
This is what competition for places breeds.

Rahul knows that Kishan is there waiting for his chance and if he fails then he will be dropped.

No coasting, no taking your place for granted like the Pakistan team.
 
AUS planning and execution was superb but the knock from KL Rahul just sucked the life out of India's innings.
 
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