The INVINCIBLE Undertaker - Undisputed Greatest of All Time?

[shaz619]

lmao

have been thrown once too many times from the cell now.

You know when you asked me if I was still in the game but I replied nope all over, the demon randomly rose from the dead and contacted me the next day lmao

Am going to be haunted forever. And lol when ever I see that gif think of your never die attitude

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

Which is your favourite Undertaker mania match?

Mine would the one against GG

My one is against King Kong Bundy

Jokes aside, Kurt Angle at No Way Out , Mankind in Hell in a Cell and HBK @ WM25

 

[Hitman]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

Which is your favourite Undertaker mania match?

Mine would the one against GG

Against Shawn Michaels, WM25. Everything was perfect right from the promos to the angle, not to mention a 5 star classic.

 

[Hitman]

Another DVD set on him would be awesome. I already have both the 3 disc sets that have been released previously.

 

[Hitman]

Another DVD set on him would be awesome. I already have both the 3 disc sets that have been released previously.

Beg your pardon, I still have to get the 4 disc set titled 'Undertaker - The Streak'. Will get it soon.

 

[Red Devil]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

Which is your favourite Undertaker mania match?

Mine would the one against GG

Can't look past Taker v HBK at Mania 25 tbh, one of the best matches I've ever seen. HBK kicking out of the tombstone, bah gawd! Can't recall marking out like that too often.

 

[shaz619]

Another DVD set on him would be awesome. I already have both the 3 disc sets that have been released previously.

Do you have the limited edition set which comes in the form of a coffin?

It has the entirety of the streak up until the Lesnar defeat.

 

[shaz619]

Can't look past Taker v HBK at Mania 25 tbh, one of the best matches I've ever seen. HBK kicking out of the tombstone, bah gawd! Can't recall marking out like that too often.

You lil jobber bet you thought HBK would end the streak after that like the rest of us ) they controlled what was it 60K strong crowd in the palm of their hand, it was so incredible

 

[Leo23]

) That's all I have to say.

the names that you highlighted can play the undertaker role

but mark calaway CANNOT play their characters

i hope you understand now

 

[Hitman]

Do you have the limited edition set which comes in the form of a coffin?

It has the entirety of the streak up until the Lesnar defeat.

That's the DVD set I was speaking of which I don't have.

 

[Red Devil]

You lil jobber bet you thought HBK would end the streak after that like the rest of us ) they controlled what was it 60K strong crowd in the palm of their hand, it was so incredible

I legit thought he was going to win ) Kicking out of tombstone was unheard of in those days. You remember Undertakers reaction? He sold the hell out of that kick out.

 

[Hitman]

the names that you highlighted can play the undertaker role

but mark calaway CANNOT play their characters

i hope you understand now

Can Stone Cold play Shawn Michaels's character? Can Ric Flair play Cena's character? Can Hogan play Kane's character? Can Bret Hart play Roddy Piper's character?

 

[shaz619]

That's the DVD set I was speaking of which I don't have.

Am lucky to own it pretty cool, I sent it to my mom and she freaked out when she opened it and demanded that I get rid of it lmao was like I don't want that damn coffin near me!

 

[shaz619]

I legit thought he was going to win ) Kicking out of tombstone was unheard of in those days. You remember Undertakers reaction? He sold the hell out of that kick out.

I thought that as well, up until then no one kicked out of his finisher; crowd went nuts and Tamers reaction was just priceless. Going to miss the dead man hope he can have the send off his deserves, AJ is the perfect opponent

 

[Hitman]

Am lucky to own it pretty cool, I sent it to my mom and she freaked out when she opened it and demanded that I get rid of it lmao was like I don't want that damn coffin near me!

I'll be getting it soon.

 

[Leo23]

Can Stone Cold play Shawn Michaels's character? Can Ric Flair play Cena's character? Can Hogan play Kane's character? Can Bret Hart play Roddy Piper's character?

no they cannot because their characters involves a lot of personality and mic skills etc

the undertaker character does not require any of those.it is the easiest character to play

mark calaway has been handed success and stardom on a platter unlike the others

the undertaker character does not need any selling and that is my point

 

[Hitman]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Did you hear about Ric Flair's condition? Really worried. Not mincing words here but I've gone through so many wrestler's deaths that it scares me even when a wrestler I personally like is unwell.

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=46929]shaz619[/MENTION]

Did you hear about Ric Flair's condition? Really worried. Not mincing words here but I've gone through so many wrestler's deaths that it scares me even when a wrestler I personally like is unwell.

Yes, they've been falling like a pack of cards as of late but not Ric please no! god willing he gets better

 

[shaz619]

Don't worry guys, Ric will walk out the Intensive Care Unit like this:

[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

Yes, they've been falling like a pack of cards as of late but not Ric please no! god willing he gets better

TMZ is reporting that his condition has gotten worse since the time he was hospitalized and is now in a medically induced coma. I'm so sick of watching wrestlers pass away. The one that hit me the most was Eddie Guerrero's death. I still haven't got over it.

 

[Red Devil]

Don't worry guys, Ric will walk out the Intensive Care Unit like this:

[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=3474]TalhaSyed[/MENTION]

Some good news that his surgery was successful. Hope he recovers soon. :/

 

[TQ89]

I love the nature boy man. Dont want him to die so soon

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION] [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] [MENTION=136193]Adil_94[/MENTION] [MENTION=142288]TQ89[/MENTION] [MENTION=141093]big_gamer007[/MENTION] Kayfabe is still alive bah gawd that was brilliant

 

[shaz619]

 

[Suleiman]

Have run into Carlito few times at the gym. This dude is pretty buff now, I remember back in WWE he was chubby and looked like a weakling. He can end undertaker's streak too bad they gave it to Lesnar.

I asked him if he has any plans to return to WWE he was like nah maybe if they offer enough money. Really chill guy. Will post the selfie soon.

 

[shaz619]

Have run into Carlito few times at the gym. This dude is pretty buff now, I remember back in WWE he was chubby and looked like a weakling. He can end undertaker's streak too bad they gave it to Lesnar.

I asked him if he has any plans to return to WWE he was like nah maybe if they offer enough money. Really chill guy. Will post the selfie soon.

Did you meet him in Pakistan ? he was there recently along with Wade Barett for a wrestling tour which had been the first in decades in Pakistan. Carlito is a super chill guy, he was one of my favourites; and I believe your story because he has mentioned the reason with regards to the money being right in the past as well, he was always underutilised as well that made him leave inevitably. Just make sure you're not near him when he's eating an apple

 

[Suleiman]

Did you meet him in Pakistan ? he was there recently along with Wade Barett for a wrestling tour which had been the first in decades in Pakistan. Carlito is a super chill guy, he was one of my favourites; and I believe your story because he has mentioned the reason with regards to the money being right in the past as well, he was always underutilised as well that made him leave inevitably. Just make sure you're not near him when he's eating an apple

Nah bro this was in the US. Apparently he lives really close by since I've seen him at that gym quite a few times in the last 2 years.

But I'm the only one who recognizes this bechara and has conversation with him, nobody else in the gym,knows who he is ) he looks different now, has beard and everything

 

[shaz619]

[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION]

When he returned to the same arena few weeks back on the 25th anniversary of RAW (appeared on the first one ever)

 

[shaz619]

Taker is very old now, battle scarred an has so much wear/tear. If you watch WWE 24 which goes backstage for the first time before Taker's match with Reigns last year, he's in so much pain he takes various injections before the match, he also worked that match with a hip injury (surgery was delayed so he could work wrestlemania), in that WWE 24 documentary Taker spoke of how he doesn't want to give the fans anything less then a high calibre performance which is expected of the Undertaker and clearly was feeling a bit of pressure especially when you're out there before nearly 100K people. But in the circumstances, while there may have been calls for retirement at times I felt Taker delivered and put on a great match with Reigns.

There comes a time when the heart wants to fight but the body just doesn't respond. But that time hasn't come yet because he is the phenom and when you doubt him he will deliver in a way you could't have possibly imagined, am sure he has one big performance left even though it gets harder and harder each year whilst the inactivity doesn't help. But if he calls it a day, no issues at all; he doesn't owe us anything, watching that footage where Taker was feeling nervous and wanting to give his best, there's no need, he could go in the ring and just stand for a couple of minutes and I'd be cool with that.

Taker just doesn't know how to say no when he gets the call from Vince who will ultimately decide whether or not he works this year. Truly unique human being and massive respect to him. [MENTION=47617]Red Devil[/MENTION]

 

[Hitman]

He has given us wrestling fans much more than we could ever ask for. I just want him to be healthy for the rest of his life, and not spend his days with niggling injuries. It's not physically easy for a man of his age and size to work a big match, keeping in mind the multiple surgeries and the wear and tear his body has gone through over the years. And he doesn't need to overcome so much pain to give us another match. We have our tapes, DVD's and memories of him to cherish.

At the end of the day, I just want to see him live a happy healthy life. And if it means that he shouldn't work in the ring anymore, I'm cool with it.

 

[shaz619]

He has given us wrestling fans much more than we could ever ask for. I just want him to be healthy for the rest of his life, and not spend his days with niggling injuries. It's not physically easy for a man of his age and size to work a big match, keeping in mind the multiple surgeries and the wear and tear his body has gone through over the years. And he doesn't need to overcome so much pain to give us another match. We have our tapes, DVD's and memories of him to cherish.

At the end of the day, I just want to see him live a happy healthy life. And if it means that he shouldn't work in the ring anymore, I'm cool with it.

Well said, totally agree. He owes us nothing, no one has given back to the fans and industry more then Taker. But like being one of the few to stay on a ship that was sinking during the 90s despite the lucrative offers from Ted Turner, he still is that guy today when Vince picks up the phone. But hopefully whatever he decides he's content / healthy and is able to leave the way he wants to and am sure the old gun slinger is capable to do that regardless

 

[TM Riddle]

Still cannot fathom how full grown adults can enjoy watching this fake crap.
On topic- It would always be Hulk Hogan.

 

[Hitman]

Still cannot fathom how full grown adults can enjoy watching this fake crap.
On topic- It would always be Hulk Hogan.

Much like how people watch movies. It's entertainment, not a sport.

 

[Asif khan]

Much like how people watch movies. It's entertainment, not a sport.

So all they have delivered are good acting skills?

 

[Hitman]

So all they have delivered are good acting skills?

Actors take bumps and risk their bodies every single time they work? Actors end up needing multiple surgeries throughout their life due to their work? Wrestling is an art, and if it were of no value, there wouldn't be millions and millions of fans throughout the world and Vince McMahon wouldn't be a multi millionaire.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Is the phenom making a comeback? Read something about him fighting John Cena - feels like I've gone to bed and woken up in the mid 2000s.

 

[shaz619]

Is the phenom making a comeback? Read something about him fighting John Cena - feels like I've gone to bed and woken up in the mid 2000s.

Yeah he should do, even though the two fought a while back Cena wasn't as big a star he is now. It has been over a decade in the making, no one has earned the right to face the phenom more then Cena on the grandest stage of them all; he has paid his dues and has been the man who put food on the table of WWE post 2005. It is fitting that Taker's final match should be against such a stand up individual which has never shied from doing what is best for the industry.

Taker doesn't owe us anything but as a fan we want to see him walk off into the sun set on a little bit of a high, much like what Shawn did for Flair at WM 24 I think Cena can be that guy for Taker. A lot of people are writing Taker of, oh he's too old, too inactive, too rusty and hasn't been himself; but they fail to realise that last year he had a severe hip injury and was asked to work Wrestlemania to put over Reigns (the guy they are positioning to replace Cena) ; Taker being the guy he has always been had no issue with it despite his health concerns and delayed surgery until after mania, he couldn't even prepare properly for the match but despite that had a decent outing in my eyes. He really is the phenom, can go from looking like he should be in an old people's home to someone that still got 5 years left in him I have no doubt he's going to shut up a lot of people this year and I hope he gets the send off he deserves.

There have been rumours that Biker Taker could return but I doubt it because the phenom has never feuded with Cena unlike the American bad@ss.

 

[shokz1408]

Is the phenom making a comeback? Read something about him fighting John Cena - feels like I've gone to bed and woken up in the mid 2000s.

Indeed, the current plan is for Cena vs Undertaker next week at Wrestlemania. Not so much a comeback, since he has been wrestling at every wrestlemania, but at the moment it was unclear whether he had retired or not. So glad to hear that he will be there, and this should be an exciting storytelling match.

 

[Hitman]

The problem with Taker is that his gimmick does not allow him to make frequent guest appearances and cut promos like someone like Shawn Michaels. Michaels retired in 2010, and yet the fans haven't missed him much because he has played angles and made guest appearances, despite him not working in the ring. I really fear for Taker's health. The guy has worked way too long. And he isn't a damn cruiser weight, he is a big man. His work takes a hell lot of toll on his body.

 

[jagatk]

Yeah he should do, even though the two fought a while back Cena wasn't as big a star he is now. It has been over a decade in the making, no one has earned the right to face the phenom more then Cena on the grandest stage of them all; he has paid his dues and has been the man who put food on the table of WWE post 2005. It is fitting that Taker's final match should be against such a stand up individual which has never shied from doing what is best for the industry.

Taker doesn't owe us anything but as a fan we want to see him walk off into the sun set on a little bit of a high, much like what Shawn did for Flair at WM 24 I think Cena can be that guy for Taker. A lot of people are writing Taker of, oh he's too old, too inactive, too rusty and hasn't been himself; but they fail to realise that last year he had a severe hip injury and was asked to work Wrestlemania to put over Reigns (the guy they are positioning to replace Cena) ; Taker being the guy he has always been had no issue with it despite his health concerns and delayed surgery until after mania, he couldn't even prepare properly for the match but despite that had a decent outing in my eyes. He really is the phenom, can go from looking like he should be in an old people's home to someone that still got 5 years left in him I have no doubt he's going to shut up a lot of people this year and I hope he gets the send off he deserves.

There have been rumours that Biker Taker could return but I doubt it because the phenom has never feuded with Cena unlike the American bad@ss.

If you want taker walking out on a high he should just walk now, he is done. I like taker but his last 2 wrestlemania matches were atrocious, it is genuinely sad seeing a once great wrestler reduced to a really terrible one.

He should have ideally retired after the Lesnar match with maybe a victory over Lesnar at summerslam being his swansong.

 

[TQ89]

Man i don't want to see taker lose another wrestlemania match. I can't bear seeing him lose, he is an integral part of my childhood since 1994.

Plus he is very old and his body has gone through a lot. Watching an ATG in-ring worker like him struggling to put up even a semi-decent performance breaks my heart. It is almost like watching ric flair post 2008 in TNA.

 

[Ab Fan]

Man i don't want to see taker lose another wrestlemania match. I can't bear seeing him lose, he is an integral part of my childhood since 1994.

Plus he is very old and his body has gone through a lot. Watching an ATG in-ring worker like him struggling to put up even a semi-decent performance breaks my heart. It is almost like watching ric flair post 2008 in TNA.

Basically this. He has been an integral part of our childhood. We dont want to see him lose anymore. He deserved a better farewell than what he got though.

 

[Ab Fan]

Stone cold, Rock, Undertaker and Michaels..

All four are GOAT. Absolute legend. Undertaker has a special place in my heart though. There won't be another like him ever in WWE.

 

[Hitman]

Stone cold, Rock, Undertaker and Michaels..

All four are GOAT. Absolute legend. Undertaker has a special place in my heart though. There won't be another like him ever in WWE.

If we speak solely of ring work, very few in history can even carry Michaels's jock. The biggest challenge for truly great workers were to keep up with Michaels in the ring, let alone outperform him. Bret has said multiple times on how hard he trained before his match with Michaels at WM12 just so that he could keep up with him, and that he wasn't made to look inferior by Michaels's performance.

 

[Ab Fan]

If we speak solely of ring work, very few in history can even carry Michaels's jock. The biggest challenge for truly great workers were to keep up with Michaels in the ring, let alone outperform him. Bret has said multiple times on how hard he trained before his match with Michaels at WM12 just so that he could keep up with him, and that he wasn't made to look inferior by Michaels's performance.

Agreed completely on that part.

There is a reason why so many classics have Michaels involved in it. It was always tough to keep up with him. His ring work was phenomenal.

 

[Ab Fan]

Undertaker vs John Cena was be a dream from years. Finally, this may come true. However, the question is if the current Undertaker can match Cena at this age of his career?

I hope this turns out to be a better match than what it was against Reigns.

 

[shaz619]

The problem with Taker is that his gimmick does not allow him to make frequent guest appearances and cut promos like someone like Shawn Michaels. Michaels retired in 2010, and yet the fans haven't missed him much because he has played angles and made guest appearances, despite him not working in the ring. I really fear for Taker's health. The guy has worked way too long. And he isn't a damn cruiser weight, he is a big man. His work takes a hell lot of toll on his body.

In his prime as the phenom during 90's and mid 2000's when he was world champion on Smackdown post 04 when the deadman persona returned he was regularly active on TV and was on a full time schedule like everyone else, still stuns me that a guy his size was able to endure those rigours. He has always got the best out of the character and made adjustments where necessary, he's just at a point in his career now where he just doesn't need to appear all the time having given us everything but every now and then he will like on RAW's 25th anniversary show recently. Plus in this era when you have stars of the Undertaker and Lesnar's drawing power, who also are no longer on complete full time schedules like the other members of the roster the best way to maximise profit is to use them during your biggest PPV events.

But you are right the rare appearances do add to the mystique and aura of Undertaker even in the 21st century in his 34th year as pro wrestler, staggering statistic. Also, him being off TV is a genius move to build the current feud; the story goes that he was beaten last year and out of shame is hiding , while Cena is pointing out that when he loses he still shows up, never give up etc that's the narrative John is using to try and get the deadman to step in the ring one more time. It's been weeks and Taker has still not shown up, the mic work by Cena has been outstanding; now we have 1 more week left, so either Taker will appear on the final RAW or show up at mania itself. Also, while the phenom persona is somewhat limted on the mic, less has always been more with him but during his feuds with HBK in 09/10 he'd open up a little more.

 

[shaz619]

Yeah he should do, even though the two fought a while back Cena wasn't as big a star he is now. It has been over a decade in the making, no one has earned the right to face the phenom more then Cena on the grandest stage of them all; he has paid his dues and has been the man who put food on the table of WWE post 2005. It is fitting that Taker's final match should be against such a stand up individual which has never shied from doing what is best for the industry.

Taker doesn't owe us anything but as a fan we want to see him walk off into the sun set on a little bit of a high, much like what Shawn did for Flair at WM 24 I think Cena can be that guy for Taker. A lot of people are writing Taker of, oh he's too old, too inactive, too rusty and hasn't been himself; but they fail to realise that last year he had a severe hip injury and was asked to work Wrestlemania to put over Reigns (the guy they are positioning to replace Cena) ; Taker being the guy he has always been had no issue with it despite his health concerns and delayed surgery until after mania, he couldn't even prepare properly for the match but despite that had a decent outing in my eyes. He really is the phenom, can go from looking like he should be in an old people's home to someone that still got 5 years left in him I have no doubt he's going to shut up a lot of people this year and I hope he gets the send off he deserves.

There have been rumours that Biker Taker could return but I doubt it because the phenom has never feuded with Cena unlike the American bad@ss.

A lot of people are ignoring these points with regards to his mania match last year and also do not know that he suffered a concussion during the first 5 minutes of the match with brock at WM30.

While you'd all like to see your hero retire and not go on longer then he needs to the Undertaker has earned the right to retire when he deems fit and he also deserves to go out on a high in the ring, and that is something which he is still capable off; do not write him off, he is the deadman.

 

[shaz619]

Stone cold, Rock, Undertaker and Michaels..

All four are GOAT. Absolute legend. Undertaker has a special place in my heart though. There won't be another like him ever in WWE.

There are many that are incredible and HBK has been my all time favourite, but Undertaker has just out lasted everyone and his legend will live for generations; like you say there will never be another like him and there's no one else that could have played the character better then Mark Callaway

 

[shaz619]

Highlights of Cena's promos building his match against Taker for those interested:

1.

2.

3.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOY0X4Yv1zk
[MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION]

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Actors take bumps and risk their bodies every single time they work? Actors end up needing multiple surgeries throughout their life due to their work? Wrestling is an art, and if it were of no value, there wouldn't be millions and millions of fans throughout the world and Vince McMahon wouldn't be a multi millionaire.

Billionaire

https://www.therichest.com/celebnetworth/athletes/wrestler/vince-mcmahon-net-worth/

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

My favourite is GOLDBERG.

Beating him is almost impossible.

His spear and jack hammer are so effective that it makes the games too short.

Killer machine.

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Most iconic is Stone Cold Steve Austin.

His stunners are beyond legendary.

 

[TM Riddle]

Nobody stands a chance against my man HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN
GOAT!

 

[shaz619]

Nobody stands a chance against my man HOLLYWOOD HULK HOGAN
GOAT!

Lol you don't want [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] to unleash on you

I was just watching Hollywood Hogan / Rock from WMX8 outstanding match and incredible atmosphere in Canada

 

[shaz619]

My favourite is GOLDBERG.

Beating him is almost impossible.

His spear and jack hammer are so effective that it makes the games too short.

Killer machine.

Most iconic is Stone Cold Steve Austin.

His stunners are beyond legendary.

Goldberg returned recently after 12 years at the age of 50 or so, he did pretty well and was in outstanding shape for his age. Austin literally saved the company on his own, biggest draw by far

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Goldberg returned recently after 12 years at the age of 50 or so, he did pretty well and was in outstanding shape for his age. Austin literally saved the company on his own, biggest draw by far

Can't believe they are 50+ years old.

 

[shaz619]

Can't believe they are 50+ years old.

Goldberg at 50:

Incredible, getting ready was very painful for him though because his body was not responding accordingly to the intensity of his diet and training. This time round he really enjoyed his run and also wanted his wife and kid to see him perform for the first time. I always loved his cool jackets, I bought the one he wore on his return, paid a fair amount to get it from the US and paid an annoying customs charge

 

[shaz619]

Man i don't want to see taker lose another wrestlemania match. I can't bear seeing him lose, he is an integral part of my childhood since 1994.

Plus he is very old and his body has gone through a lot. Watching an ATG in-ring worker like him struggling to put up even a semi-decent performance breaks my heart. It is almost like watching ric flair post 2008 in TNA.

Indeed, the current plan is for Cena vs Undertaker next week at Wrestlemania. Not so much a comeback, since he has been wrestling at every wrestlemania, but at the moment it was unclear whether he had retired or not. So glad to hear that he will be there, and this should be an exciting storytelling match.

Is the phenom making a comeback? Read something about him fighting John Cena - feels like I've gone to bed and woken up in the mid 2000s.

If you want taker walking out on a high he should just walk now, he is done. I like taker but his last 2 wrestlemania matches were atrocious, it is genuinely sad seeing a once great wrestler reduced to a really terrible one.

He should have ideally retired after the Lesnar match with maybe a victory over Lesnar at summerslam being his swansong.

The problem with Taker is that his gimmick does not allow him to make frequent guest appearances and cut promos like someone like Shawn Michaels. Michaels retired in 2010, and yet the fans haven't missed him much because he has played angles and made guest appearances, despite him not working in the ring. I really fear for Taker's health. The guy has worked way too long. And he isn't a damn cruiser weight, he is a big man. His work takes a hell lot of toll on his body.

Stone cold, Rock, Undertaker and Michaels..

All four are GOAT. Absolute legend. Undertaker has a special place in my heart though. There won't be another like him ever in WWE.

This is Undertaker's favourite song as of late, pointed it out in an interview:

 

[TQ89]

Lol you don't want [MENTION=133315]Hitman[/MENTION] to unleash on you

I was just watching Hollywood Hogan / Rock from WMX8 outstanding match and incredible atmosphere in Canada

Watched that match on vhs back in 2002. That wrestlemania & 2001 WM are the best i have seen. This match had high anticipations. Vince branded the whole thing "Icon vs Icon".

For all of his weaknesses, Hogan was master of crowd control. Nobody had a grasp of fan's psychology like he did. He was a heel, yet from the point he made the entry to the point he ripped shirt , Toronto just went wild for him & there were "hogan,hogan" chants more than "rocky, rocky" which was rarity when you were wrestling the rock in those days. It is such a heartwarming sight in wrestling when fans show love to an ATG in his old days.

I was a big fan of the rock & taker in those days but also had heard of hogan but never actually seen him apart wcw which i hated cause he screwed a lot of guys there including another of my all time favorite sting. From beginning of the match, the atmosphere was crazy. The whole staredown was epic & had a bit of shade of hulk vs andre. Then when hogan shoved rock down, everybody in the stadium just exploded & i started jumping on my sofa.

The whole match had a see-saw like structure with fans cheering both guys & not to forget those near falls with the highlight being hogan hulking after the rock bottom. Man i just freaked out when i saw that. That night and another episode of smackdown in the same year where hogan got like ten minutes of ovation are the best crowd participation i have seen in WWE. Hell even I got emotional during that smackdown episode for a guy who i didn't watch in the 90's frequently. May be daniel bryan in WM14 & the raw next day is close enough to it or the rock/stone cold with their epic moments. These are the moments fans watch wrestling for. Man I am so missing my childhood now

 

[sensible-indian-fan]

Goldberg at 50:

Incredible, getting ready was very painful for him though because his body was not responding accordingly to the intensity of his diet and training. This time round he really enjoyed his run and also wanted his wife and kid to see him perform for the first time. I always loved his cool jackets, I bought the one he wore on his return, paid a fair amount to get it from the US and paid an annoying customs charge

Wow niceeeeee. Yeah his games with Brock both at Survivor Series and Wrestlemania were crazy fun.

I always get amazed seeing how easily he jackhammers pretty much everyone including Big Show and Mark Henry.

However I must admit the coolest finish I have seen is RKO. Only came across this move recently while watching Youtube videos. So complicated but Randy Orton pulls it off from the most unlikeliest of the situations.

 

[shokz1408]

This is Undertaker's favourite song as of late, pointed it out in an interview:

That's quite a fitting favourite song, looking forward to seeing him at Wrestlemania! xD

 

[Hasan123]

Hopefully this is last match. It's wrong off WWE to keep asking him to perform when he's past his best. He's such a company man , he won't say no.

Looking forward to the match.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yeah he should do, even though the two fought a while back Cena wasn't as big a star he is now. It has been over a decade in the making, no one has earned the right to face the phenom more then Cena on the grandest stage of them all; he has paid his dues and has been the man who put food on the table of WWE post 2005. It is fitting that Taker's final match should be against such a stand up individual which has never shied from doing what is best for the industry.

Taker doesn't owe us anything but as a fan we want to see him walk off into the sun set on a little bit of a high, much like what Shawn did for Flair at WM 24 I think Cena can be that guy for Taker. A lot of people are writing Taker of, oh he's too old, too inactive, too rusty and hasn't been himself; but they fail to realise that last year he had a severe hip injury and was asked to work Wrestlemania to put over Reigns (the guy they are positioning to replace Cena) ; Taker being the guy he has always been had no issue with it despite his health concerns and delayed surgery until after mania, he couldn't even prepare properly for the match but despite that had a decent outing in my eyes. He really is the phenom, can go from looking like he should be in an old people's home to someone that still got 5 years left in him I have no doubt he's going to shut up a lot of people this year and I hope he gets the send off he deserves.

There have been rumours that Biker Taker could return but I doubt it because the phenom has never feuded with Cena unlike the American bad@ss.

John Cena's debut match was against The Undertaker. I watched that match in that era. Cena should wrestle his last match against Undertaker and become General Manager of Smackdown.

 

[DeadBall]

I heard there were many Undertakers (lookalikes) and not just one.

 

[shokz1408]

John Cena's debut match was against The Undertaker. I watched that match in that era. Cena should wrestle his last match against Undertaker and become General Manager of Smackdown.

The debut match was against Kurt angle. This however should be a great match! If taker was to bow out after, then this would be an ideal match to go. Though I would like to see him at Wrestlemania again, perhaps facing older wrestlers, Hulk hogan/Sting maybe, or even Kurt angle. I definitely disagree about Cena becoming GM, he's got a few years to go as a wrestler yet.

 

[shaz619]

Watched that match on vhs back in 2002. That wrestlemania & 2001 WM are the best i have seen. This match had high anticipations. Vince branded the whole thing "Icon vs Icon".

For all of his weaknesses, Hogan was master of crowd control. Nobody had a grasp of fan's psychology like he did. He was a heel, yet from the point he made the entry to the point he ripped shirt , Toronto just went wild for him & there were "hogan,hogan" chants more than "rocky, rocky" which was rarity when you were wrestling the rock in those days. It is such a heartwarming sight in wrestling when fans show love to an ATG in his old days.

I was a big fan of the rock & taker in those days but also had heard of hogan but never actually seen him apart wcw which i hated cause he screwed a lot of guys there including another of my all time favorite sting. From beginning of the match, the atmosphere was crazy. The whole staredown was epic & had a bit of shade of hulk vs andre. Then when hogan shoved rock down, everybody in the stadium just exploded & i started jumping on my sofa.

The whole match had a see-saw like structure with fans cheering both guys & not to forget those near falls with the highlight being hogan hulking after the rock bottom. Man i just freaked out when i saw that. That night and another episode of smackdown in the same year where hogan got like ten minutes of ovation are the best crowd participation i have seen in WWE. Hell even I got emotional during that smackdown episode for a guy who i didn't watch in the 90's frequently. May be daniel bryan in WM14 & the raw next day is close enough to it or the rock/stone cold with their epic moments. These are the moments fans watch wrestling for. Man I am so missing my childhood now

It's easily one of my all time favourite matches and pro wrestling personified, you had two great characters control the crowd in the palm of their hand, they didn't need to take unnecessary risks in the ring to get a reaction. The crowd at the sky dome at that night never forgot their child hood hero who fought Warrior in the same arena, that night the crowd was 50 / 50 and they absolutely tore the house down. Even though many may have been bitter about Hogan going to WCW at time but no one ever forgets their hero and Hulkamania took the industry mainstream, I'd say the crowd was Pro Hogan but the Rocky fans to their credit made their voices heard as well. Man I get goosebumps now just thinking of Hogan hulking up I was more of a black and white fan then a red / yellow fan probably was too young then and loved Hogan mainly because of the movies he use to be in and despite his antics at times you can't help but have a high level of respect and admiration because the business wouldn't be where it is now without him.

 

[Hitman]

I derive such a sick sadistic pleasure whenever I hear this clip from one of Hogan's shoot interviews regarding his feud with Michaels )

 

[shaz619]

I derive such a sick sadistic pleasure whenever I hear this clip from one of Hogan's shoot interviews regarding his feud with Michaels )

I really enjoyed that feud, last time we saw Shawn as a heel. The match was very enjoyable as well although Shawn may have over sold at times especially the big boot. Hogan was supposed to put Shawn over but pulled some strings last minute, and Shawn is an all time favourite of mine but I forgive Hogan for that. Don't ever expect Bret fans to forgive Hogan though

 

[Hitman]

I really enjoyed that feud, last time we saw Shawn as a heel. The match was very enjoyable as well although Shawn may have over sold at times especially the big boot. Hogan was supposed to put Shawn over but pulled some strings last minute, and Shawn is an all time favourite of mine but I forgive Hogan for that. Don't ever expect Bret fans to forgive Hogan though

That was the feud when I completely started hating Hogan, for trying to screw with my hero. Anyways, Shawn handed Hogan his backside for it

 

[shaz619]

That was the feud when I completely started hating Hogan, for trying to screw with my hero. Anyways, Shawn handed Hogan his backside for it

That feud was epic there's this show in the US I think Larry King, HBK showed up on it imitating Hogan it was bloody hilarious

What are your top 2 moments of Hogan where you literally wanted him to get hit by lightening ?

Mine are these:

1. Verbally tapping to Sting at Starcade 97

2. Wrestlemania 9 lol nothing else has to be said

 

[TQ89]

That feud was epic there's this show in the US I think Larry King, HBK showed up on it imitating Hogan it was bloody hilarious

What are your top 2 moments of Hogan where you literally wanted him to get hit by lightening ?

Mine are these:

1. Verbally tapping to Sting at Starcade 97

2. Wrestlemania 9 lol nothing else has to be said

The sting one no doubt. I never forgave hogan or WCW management for that screw-up. The NWO vs sting angle was one of the best feuds i have seen & at the time the hottest one. To ruin an epic storyline it like that after hyping it for 18 months, they had to be snorting coke. Also hogan had some stupid clause in his WCW days that allowed him to screw everybody. HBK did good to this man, Hogan never respected anybody in the business and never gave anybody their due.

 

[shaz619]

The sting one no doubt. I never forgave hogan or WCW management for that screw-up. The NWO vs sting angle was one of the best feuds i have seen & at the time the hottest one. To ruin an epic storyline it like that after hyping it for 18 months, they had to be snorting coke. Also hogan had some stupid clause in his WCW days that allowed him to screw everybody. HBK did good to this man, Hogan never respected anybody in the business and never gave anybody their due.

That Starccade 97 event was the peak in WCW's popularity at the time but the company's downfall would eventually begin because all their innovation would lose the novelty factor and the poor management just ran the ship into the ground; it was insane to let wrestlers run the show, one thing about why Vince is such a genius is even through his lows the professionalism always remained and that has always been the difference between him and others, he pioneered PPV format in sports / sports entertainment and there's no on better then him when it comes to promotion. If he was in Boxing or MMA I'd expect him to do extremely well, he learns from his mistakes and always comes back harder; never lets the competition breath even for a little moment. Generally he has been an ego maniac but here and there he has done some good jobs to like putting The Rock over I found that shocking lol Warrior and Brock Lesnar to I believe

 

[Hitman]

That feud was epic there's this show in the US I think Larry King, HBK showed up on it imitating Hogan it was bloody hilarious

What are your top 2 moments of Hogan where you literally wanted him to get hit by lightening ?

Mine are these:

1. Verbally tapping to Sting at Starcade 97

2. Wrestlemania 9 lol nothing else has to be said

1. His feud with Michaels. Some of the interviews he gave to the tabloids were astonishing. "This is my time. It's about me. I've always been the man. I don't want to sound pompous but it's true". This was his statement during the feud. A 52 year old broken down, washed up, has-been saying something like that, can you imagine? Michaels handed him his backside with his promos and during the match by over selling, and his promo the night after SummerSlam was pure gold.

2. Him dissing Stone Cold and the Rock. Explaining how he was actually a more successful movie star than the Rock, and that his movies generated more money than the Rock's. And how he was a main eventer all throughout his career, and that Austin was on top for just the last 4 years of his career. Not even Big Lazy has an ego as big as that of the geriatric bald headed fool.

 

[Hitman]

Michaels too was an equally toxic backstabbing politician back in the 90's. But at least he came back with an improved attitude and did whatever he could to help the business and improve the blemishes on the first half of his career. And he was the greatest performer, bar none. Hogan was not a wrestler, he was a wrestling prop, much like a ladder, a chair, or the ring steps. Not once did Hogan put the interest of the business and the rest of the boys ahead of his ego.

He put over Warrior. Except that he came back in the ring immediately after the match was over to hog the spotlight just to show the world that all people cared for was Hulkamania, not the new champion, and that it didn't matter to the fans who had the belt. This was his way of elevating the new champion. And no, I'm not making up this stuff. The Orange Goblin himself admitted it back in 2005/06.

 

[TQ89]

^^ This sums up my feeling about hogan. Regarding the backstabbing thing, lot of old guys were like that even ric flair & in recent times HHH was big time career burying specialist. But they had the decency to put over some of the young guys. For all of HHH's crap during 2003 till now, He did put Benoit over in 2004, Orton in 2007/2008, batista in 2005, daniel bryan in 2014 & more recently went out of his way to put roman over.

The nature boy also put a lot of people over especially sting. His feud with sting during 1988-1990 was awesome. Boy those two had good chemistry. But Hogan only put warrior over and screwed everybody else. Also never lost clean. This is the reason Austin did not want to face him in WM 2002.

 

[shokz1408]

For all of HHH's crap during 2003 till now, He did put Benoit over in 2004, Orton in 2007/2008, batista in 2005, daniel bryan in 2014 & more recently went out of his way to put roman over.

Triple H is awesome, from 2003 till now, a legend of the business. To add to what you were saying, Triple H has the more Wrestlemania losses than anyone else at 12.

 

[shaz619]

Triple H is awesome, from 2003 till now, a legend of the business. To add to what you were saying, Triple H has the more Wrestlemania losses than anyone else at 12.

He is the only heel in history to go over at Wrestlemania and his record in championship bouts is way better.

 

[shaz619]

^^ This sums up my feeling about hogan. Regarding the backstabbing thing, lot of old guys were like that even ric flair & in recent times HHH was big time career burying specialist. But they had the decency to put over some of the young guys. For all of HHH's crap during 2003 till now, He did put Benoit over in 2004, Orton in 2007/2008, batista in 2005, daniel bryan in 2014 & more recently went out of his way to put roman over.

The nature boy also put a lot of people over especially sting. His feud with sting during 1988-1990 was awesome. Boy those two had good chemistry. But Hogan only put warrior over and screwed everybody else. Also never lost clean. This is the reason Austin did not want to face him in WM 2002.

I think Hunter did a lot more damage over a longer period then Hogan ever did because his shtick was not just limited to the ring but backstage politics on another level.

 

[shaz619]

Hulkamania doesn't have the best past but there have been some good moments to, it doesn't feel right criticising him at this stage and he did mean a lot to the business so I will leave it there