So according to this logic great bowlers like Marshall, Donald, Ambrose etc etc and batsmen like Lara will all be automatically disqualified from being in the ATG category.
Marshall has 376 Test wickets (533 international wickets) and a World Cup winners medal.
Donald has 330 Test wickets (602 international wickets).
Ambrose has 405 Test wickets (630 international wickets).
Lara has 22K runs in international cricket with a 53 average in Test cricket.
Both Lara and Ambrose for the better part of their careers played in weak teams that were nowhere near good enough to win a World Cup. Caribbean cricket has been in a downward spiral since 1994.
As far as Bumrah is concerned, there is absolutely no doubt that he is a fantastic bowler, but Indians are in an incredibly hurry to put him in the GOAT category.
He doesn’t even have 400 Test and ODI wickets to his name and he is almost 32 and needs to be wrapped in cotton wool already.
In Test cricket, he only has 217 wickets which is absolutely nothing for someone who is already 32 and whose workload needs to be managed to the point where he has to be rested after playing 1 Test in 4 months with his team 1-0 down in a 5 match series.
In ODIs, he has won absolutely nothing. In fact, he was won Pakistan more ODI trophies than he was won India. We will never forget his beautiful no-ball that triggered the biggest thrashing in an ICC tournament history and a record that might stand for many, many years because it is difficult to fathom any team being rubbish enough to lose an ODI final by 180 runs.
With only 217 Test wickets, less than 400 Test and ODI wickets and 0 ODI trophies, Indians have absolutely no shame in comparing him to the GOAT fast bowlers in history.
He doesn’t have the longevity in Test cricket or the trophies in ODI cricket to stand on the same podium as the GOAT fast bowlers.
Let him get to 350 Test wickets and win something in ODIs before we start comparing him to the GOAT pacers who achieved at least one of the two if not both.
India has a rubbish fast bowling legacy and prior to Bumrah, your all-time best pacers weren’t even be good enough to carry drinks & towels for an all-time C XI, so I can understand the urgency to put Bumrah on a pedestal, both those of us who have seen better bowlers than Bumrah play for our countries are not in a lot of rush to put him on that pedestal.
And no nobody in his right mind would trade the Test Series win in Aus for any ODI trophy.
All the Indian players especially Rohit would. The pain that we saw in Rohit’s eyes after losing the final is something that you will never see in any players eyes after losing a Test series.
Similarly, the likes of Tendulkar would also not give up the 2011 World Cup for a Test series win in Australia. When Tendulkar was close to his retirement, all the narrative was about whether or not he will win a World Cup or not; no one ever said if he will win a Test series in Australia or not.
When India won that World Cup, all Indian players lifted him on their shoulders and said that they wanted to win the World Cup for him. No one ever said that they wanted to win in Australia for him.
Similarly, Dhoni would also never give up that World Cup for a Test series win in Australia. That World Cup made him a legend in Indian cricket, something that he is milking to this day by playing in the IPL well past his sell-by date.
As I said its very hilarious to see triggered Pakistani
posters indulge in Olympic grade gymnastics to pretend that getting 200+ wkts in less than 50 Tests at a unheard of avg and s/r because Bumrah is an Indian.
This has always been addressed above. Like I said, 217 Test wickets is absolutely nothing. It’s like saying that a batsman with ~4k runs (equivalent of 217 Test wickets) at an average of 56 is GOAT material.
BTW The same folks will argue that Steve Smith > Tendulkar based on avgs lol
Across formats, Tendulkar is better for sure, he had a much better ODI career. However, purely in Test cricket, there is a strong argument in Smith’s favor. Smith probably has the most complete all-round Test record since Don Bradman. He is definitely not the batting equivalent of Bumrah, so you are drawing a false equivalency here.
Smith has 10k runs so he has longevity which Bumrah hasn’t even come close to achieving at this point.
And what happens to the requirement of ODI WC cup win? lol ... what did I tell you that I will easy school you. Go troll someone in your feather weight class.
I know you are not the sharpest tool in the box, but I thought even someone like you would be able to understand this very basic argument.
We are comparing Wasim and Anderson in Test cricket only, so the World Cup requirement doesn’t apply. If we talk about both Test and ODIs, then Wasim is clearly superior.
However, purely in Test cricket, there is a strong argument to be had that Anderson had the superior Test career because he took way more wickets than Wasim.
If Bumrah crosses the 350 mark in Test cricket, he can definitely be compared to Wasim in Test cricket irrespective of of whether he wins an ODI World Cup or not.
At that point, it would be a worthy debate to compare these two in Test cricket only. Overall, Wasim would still have had a superior career because of the World Cup.
However, as of now, Bumrah is nowhere near Wasim in either Test or ODIs with 217 Test wickets and 0 ODI World Cups. Whether he gets to 350 Test wickets or not remains to be seen, but for that he will need to stop being a chicken - no one needs to rest after playing 1 Test in 4 months and with his team 1-0 down.
You think the likes of you can debate with me but in your dreams. I have delivered an “uppercut” that you will remember forever and you are probably seeing stars now.
Have some shame, become one with your humiliation and walk away. I will not entertain you further on this topic unless I see something intelligent which I doubt. However, if you want to protect your fragile ego and have the last world, please go ahead. No problem.
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