The Middle East Crisis

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Rumours are floating around that Saudi Arabia are going to do something really suprising... But thing are going to escalate as more becomes at stake for all the various "players".

Things will get worse before they get better

Its the classic saudi vs iran.

 

[Black Zero]

Rumours are floating around that Saudi Arabia are going to do something really suprising... But thing are going to escalate as more becomes at stake for all the various "players".

Things will get worse before they get better

last week Abdullah shortened his vacations in Morocco

They can provide weapons and money to rebel...however modern weapons require proper training..which they lack..

and Hezbollah got an edge ...democratic syria will be against both Iran and Sudia...
just like afghanistan hate pakistan..

 

[Safar55]

last week Abdullah shortened his vacations in Morocco

They can provide weapons and money to rebel...however modern weapons require proper training..which they lack..

and Hezbollah got an edge ...democratic syria will be against both Iran and Sudia...
just like afghanistan hate pakistan..

These supposed rumours are suggesting something bigger than just weapons and money.... Which they already seem to be providing.

I don't know, i find it hard to beleive they can really do much, but we will wait and see tue carnage continue for a while yet.

 

[Cracket]

So Obama is shipping arms and soldiers to the rebels, while Iran sends 4000 of their own for the aid of Syrian government.

The fire is about to get a trailer full of gasoline.

 

[Black Zero]

poor syrian citizens....

in the end Hizbollah will return to Lebanon
and Asad will live in Iran...and several rebel groups will fight eachother and kill more civilian..

 

[pakistanalltheway]

Syrian Civil War

Anyone see Putins reply to Cameron ?
The look on Cameron's face made me lol

 

[10sion]

My friend is claiming that this is finally the trigger now for World War 3...

This is perhaps the start of al Malhama.

And Allah knows best.

 

[10sion]

Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz al-Asheikh hailed on Thursday senior Muslim cleric Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi’s stance against Iran and Hezbollah, Al Arabiya television reported.

Sheikh Qaradawi, president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, criticized last Saturday the Lebanese Shiite militia group for its military intervention in Syria and called for Jihad against it.


Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi


Qaradawi, a Sunni cleric, said in a speech in the Qatari capital Doha that “every Muslim trained to fight and capable of doing that [must] make himself available” for Jihad against Assad and Hezbollah in Syria, AFP quoted him as saying.

“Iran is pushing forward arms and men, so why do we stand idle?” he asked, describing Hezbollah, which means the party of God in Arabic, as the “party of Satan.”

“The leader of the party of the Satan comes to fight the Sunnis... Now we know what the Iranians want... They want continued massacres to kill Sunnis,” Qaradawi said.

“How could 100 million Shiites [worldwide] defeat 1.7 billion [Sunnis]? Only because [Sunni] Muslims are weak.”

Sheikh Qaradawi said he was mistaken in his previous support of Hezbollah and Iran, in front of Saudi clerics.

“I defended the so-called Nasrallah and his party, the party of tyranny... in front of clerics in Saudi Arabia,” he said.

“It seems that the clerics of Saudi Arabia were more mature than me,” Qaradawi added, according to AFP.

 

[10sion]

DOHA: Calls to boycott Iranian products are gaining support in the region after a meeting of leading Sunni clerics in Cairo urged Muslims to declare a jihad against the Syrian regime supported by Iranian and Hezbollah fighters.

A declaration issued by the meeting also called for a boycott of ‘products, companies and interests’ of Iran. Several Kuwaiti supermarket chains have already begun boycotting Iranian goods.

Representatives of 76 Islamic organisations from the Arab world and some non-Arab Muslim countries, including noted Qatar-based Islamic scholar Dr Yousuf Al Qaradawi were present at the meeting.

“Jihad is necessary for the victory of our brothers in Syria - jihad with mind, money, weapons; all forms of jihad,” said the statement read out by prominent Egyptian preacher Mohammed Hassan.

“What is happening to our brothers on Syrian soil, in terms of violence stemming from the Iranian regime, Hezbollah and its sectarian allies, counts as a declaration of war on Islam and the Muslim community in general,” said the statement, in one of the most strongly worded appeals for holy war against President Bashar Al Assad and his allies, Iran and Hezbollah. The meeting also called on the Syrian rebels to bury their differences and unite “for the interest of Islam”.

The signatories included representatives of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, headed by Qaradawi, Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, Union of Al Sham Scholars and the Union of African scholars.
Clerics from Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Palestine, Libya, Algeria, Sudan Kurdistan, (Iraq) and Jordan, among other countries attended the meeting. A senior scholar from Egypt’s leading religious institution Al Azhar, Hassan Al Shafai was also present.

Qatari media and social networking sites were abuzz with comments on the issue yesterday, apparently inspired by the clerics’ appeal. “We boycotted the Danish products (following the controversial cartoon issue). Why are we not boycotting the Iranian products? They (the Iranians) are also acting against the interests of Islam,” said a commentator on a Qatari social networking site.

“This is a right decision, although it came late. This decision (call for jihad) must apply to oppressed Muslims across the world, in Palestine, Myanmar and other places,” wrote another, reacting to a report on Al Jazeera website.

“Enough is enough. They (Iran and Hezbollah) sent forces and we should also go and fight. Why are they delaying intervention,” read another comment. “I have lost trust in Islamic scholars. Why this jihad in Syria? Why not against Israel? Is this worse than what is happening in Palestine”, wrote another respondent.

'The Peninsula'

LINK: http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/middle-...ad-regime.html

Thread title may have to be changed soon...this might involve more than just Syria.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Saudi Arabia’s Grand Mufti Abdul Aziz al-Asheikh hailed on Thursday senior Muslim cleric Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi’s stance against Iran and Hezbollah, Al Arabiya television reported.

Sheikh Qaradawi, president of the International Union of Muslim Scholars, criticized last Saturday the Lebanese Shiite militia group for its military intervention in Syria and called for Jihad against it.


Sheikh Youssef al-Qaradawi


Qaradawi, a Sunni cleric, said in a speech in the Qatari capital Doha that “every Muslim trained to fight and capable of doing that [must] make himself available” for Jihad against Assad and Hezbollah in Syria, AFP quoted him as saying.

“Iran is pushing forward arms and men, so why do we stand idle?” he asked, describing Hezbollah, which means the party of God in Arabic, as the “party of Satan.”

“The leader of the party of the Satan comes to fight the Sunnis... Now we know what the Iranians want... They want continued massacres to kill Sunnis,” Qaradawi said.

“How could 100 million Shiites [worldwide] defeat 1.7 billion [Sunnis]? Only because [Sunni] Muslims are weak.”

Sheikh Qaradawi said he was mistaken in his previous support of Hezbollah and Iran, in front of Saudi clerics.

“I defended the so-called Nasrallah and his party, the party of tyranny... in front of clerics in Saudi Arabia,” he said.

“It seems that the clerics of Saudi Arabia were more mature than me,” Qaradawi added, according to AFP.

This sort of rhetoric just proves that politics takes precedence of religious thought.

 

[10sion]

Even I'm a bit disappointed.... Did they have to wait 26 months and 93000+ deaths to declare Jihad?

Should have been done way earlier.

 

[Safar55]

Even I'm a bit disappointed.... Did they have to wait 26 months and 93000+ deaths to declare Jihad?

Should have been done way earlier.

Well, don't you think there was link in the timing between these governments changing their policies and these so called independant religious scholars coming to this decision?

Everyone know foreign Hezb from lebenon and Iran have changed the general flow of the conflict. And Qusair was a big wake up call for all around, including Israel and Saudi Arabia who both have fear for Iran domination in the region.

Morsi of Egypt was for the most part of the last year or so, allowing Iranian ships through suez to supply Assads regime, and was on the same script as Putin when it came to calling for Geneva2 and saying their should be talks with Assad. Why the sudden change in rhetoric? why did he suddenly break off ties now?

Saudi, Turkey and Egypt - have made a decision post Qusair to back the rebels (with big weapons) whether or not US/West are with them or not. At the end of the day, it's their countries that are in direct conflict and in danger of witnessing the reality of the so called 'shia crescent'. The fact that Israel aren't too happy with Hezb being in such a strong position on their borders along with Irans backing - probably tipped Obama in that direction too.

And the end of the day, US don't need to send money or weapons - the Gulf states are happy to do that. Hezb getting involved as they have seems to have finally woken these gulf states up to take some real action.

As for these sunni scholars, I think they are just following government backed procedure. As you rightly asked... where were they all this time while 100k people were being slaughtered?

Sykes-Picot lines are going to be redrawn after this conflict - at least by the populations on the ground if not by governments.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Anyone see Putins reply to Cameron ?
The look on Cameron's face made me lol

It was class..translation.

Cameron " Will you help us to ruin another country as our Zionist masters have ordered?

Putin " lol...F You"

 

[Black Zero]

Well, don't you think there was link in the timing between these governments changing their policies and these so called independant religious scholars coming to this decision?

Everyone know foreign Hezb from lebenon and Iran have changed the general flow of the conflict. And Qusair was a big wake up call for all around, including Israel and Saudi Arabia who both have fear for Iran domination in the region.

Morsi of Egypt was for the most part of the last year or so, allowing Iranian ships through suez to supply Assads regime, and was on the same script as Putin when it came to calling for Geneva2 and saying their should be talks with Assad. Why the sudden change in rhetoric? why did he suddenly break off ties now?

Saudi, Turkey and Egypt - have made a decision post Qusair to back the rebels (with big weapons) whether or not US/West are with them or not. At the end of the day, it's their countries that are in direct conflict and in danger of witnessing the reality of the so called 'shia crescent'. The fact that Israel aren't too happy with Hezb being in such a strong position on their borders along with Irans backing - probably tipped Obama in that direction too.

And the end of the day, US don't need to send money or weapons - the Gulf states are happy to do that. Hezb getting involved as they have seems to have finally woken these gulf states up to take some real action.

As for these sunni scholars, I think they are just following government backed procedure. As you rightly asked... where were they all this time while 100k people were being slaughtered?

Sykes-Picot lines are going to be redrawn after this conflict - at least by the populations on the ground if not by governments.

at least sunni arab is united...

It should have a ripple effect in Iraq, Kuwait and Bahrain.

Wahabi Arabs can do terrorist activities and thats all...but they cannot keep any area under their control.

both iran and ksa will be weaker after this conflict.
and only winner will be russia...

 

[shaykh]

Qardawi is such a tool...

Scholars are nothing more than mouthpieces for their respective sides...

 

[Somali Pirate]

Assad is the enemy of zionist israel so much that he kept the golan border occupied by israel quiet for the last 40 years.

its a running joke at this point.

what happens when assad troops enter a mosque?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aPfrDGNTsy0

It's amusing and sad at the same time seeing folks here hailing russia and putin as bastion of muslims. The same putin who wiped out a quarter of chechnya's population.

 

[shaykh]

Assad is the enemy of zionist israel so much that he kept the golan border occupied by israel quiet for the last 40 years.

its a running joke at this point.

what happens when assad troops enter a mosque?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aPfrDGNTsy0

It's amusing and sad at the same time seeing folks here hailing russia and putin as bastion of muslims. The same putin who wiped out a quarter of chechnya's population.

Your making stuff up now...no-one is hailing Putin as a hero...

But since your presuming people are its amusing and sad that your hailing the proxy of the US and Gulf...I think they have been responsible for more Muslim deaths than Putin has...

The joke is that you think the opposition are blame free in the violence that has ensued...

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Assad is the enemy of zionist israel so much that he kept the golan border occupied by israel quiet for the last 40 years.

its a running joke at this point.

what happens when assad troops enter a mosque?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=aPfrDGNTsy0

It's amusing and sad at the same time seeing folks here hailing russia and putin as bastion of muslims. The same putin who wiped out a quarter of chechnya's population.

But just being Devil's advocate here... why would Alawites do this knowing this would incur the wrath of sunnis and would eventually lead them to be wiped out?

 

[Safar55]

But just being Devil's advocate here... why would Alawites do this knowing this would incur the wrath of sunnis and would eventually lead them to be wiped out?

Both sides are at that point where the differences are beyond the point of no return... There is no goodwill even if a completely unlikely chance of a ceasefire...the hatered now runs deep through people. To be fair, the hatered was started and further fueled by the behaviour of the alawites at the beggining of the peaceful demonstrations.

What happened to Hamza al-khatib the young boy totured and mutiliated returned to his family in that state. Then the killing of innocent peaceful protestors.

The sunni and the general population lived in constant fear of the regime state mukhabarrat security appratus. When they came out the protestors naively beleived the world and the west in particular would back them.... Nothing happened and Assad was allowed to continue.

Soon the so called terrorists which Assad claimed to be fighting did materialize. And filled the void.

Basically American intervention short of creating a no fly zone will be of little relevance. The Americans are acting 2 years too late to have a signifcant impact. They gambled on the waiting game and just took too long. now the void has been filled by extremists and foreigners by both sides....iran-hezb on ine side and jihadis-alqaeeda on the other side. The moderate general sunni population along with a few FSA type brigades are in the middle. And thats who the US is hoping will take charge.

Whatever happens now will mean this conflict will not be short...iran and hezb are in it for the long stay.

 

[Somali Pirate]

http://www.theatlantic.com/internat...victim-speaks-out-about-rape-in-syria/276979/

Take Your Portion': A Victim Speaks Out About Rape in Syria
LAUREN WOLFEJUN 18 2013, 12:30 PM E


Alma Abdulrahman is lying gaunt and unable to move anything below her diaphragm in a hospital bed in Amman. Some bedsores have become so deep she's having surgery tomorrow. Screws hold together her upper vertebrae, and cigarette burns pock her right shoulder. Her voice fades in and out, hoarse from either weakness or morphine.

Six months earlier, she was paralyzed when a regime soldier struck her in the neck with a rifle on a street on the outskirts of Damascus. Now, from a guarded hospital room, she wants to be heard, and what she has to say is deeply disturbing.

Alma Abdulrahman is one of the very few women in the Syrian conflict to speak out about having been raped. While she offered to use her entire name in this story, I've used only her first name and a family name because of safety concerns.

Within an hour of her arrival at the detention center north of Damascus, where she was held in a cell with 20 other women, she says she was roused to consciousness and her torture began.
She has already received severe punishment, she says, as retribution for her role as a battalion commander in the Free Syrian Army. "I served at a very high rank in the army, where I was responsible over men who had to listen to me," she says.

Unusual for her forthrightness about the rape itself, Abdulrahman is also the rare Syrian woman who has discussed her role in the FSA, which she joined very early in the revolution. Formerly an accountant, she says she rose to the rank of an FSA battalion commander and was in charge of about 15 men at a time. She says she has killed "many, many" men -- at least nine, at her count. With her slim, tall figure, she was sometimes even able to pass as one, she says.

Over the course of a few days in June, Abdulrahman described what she says are the details of her torture via Skype from her hospital bed. It is a series of interviews that almost didn't happen. Her first, short interview was given to Al-Arabiya on June 6. After this, a person connected to the case told me, a man from the Jordanian government visited her hospital to let the administration know that he was displeased they were treating a "terrorist." All interviews, including my plans to speak with her, were canceled. Through the cooperation of various medical and social workers in Amman, we were eventually able to connect. While tired, she agreed to speak multiple times through a translator and repeat what she made clear were painful memories.

Her ordeal began on April 29, 2011.

Abdulrahman is from an area in the southern part of Damascus called Al-Midan and had four children at that point. She was living a double life, fighting "during work hours" to hide her FSA world from her husband.

One day in April she had gotten caught up in an incident in which a regime soldier was severely beating a 16-year-old boy at a checkpoint. Sick of the constant brutality, she says, she tried to intervene. This is what led to her own beating and incarceration by the Assad regime.

During dark sessions over a period of 38 days, guards whipped her with a wire, strung her alternatively by her wrists and feet, and injected the crook of her elbow twice a day with a kind of drug that made her feel high, she says. The things Abdulrahman recalls the men saying as they allegedly raped her multiple times were so ****** she is loath to repeat them -- "it's too dirty and too low" -- although she remembers them saying, "Here is the freedom you wanted" (a phrase similar to ones other women have reported hearing while being raped in Syria). And she can summon up at least one face. And a couple of names.

Within an hour of her arrival at the detention center in Harasta, about 7 miles (12 kilometers) north of Damascus, where she was held in a cell with 20 other women, she says she was roused to consciousness and her torture began. She describes being gang-raped daily by men who smelled strongly of alcohol. Floating in and out of consciousness, she would kick and yell as best she could while lying next to another woman doing the same.

"We were all blindfolded and raped and we would not know who was raping us," she says, tearing up for the first time in our interview. Before being blindfolded, she could see what she calls the "boss" sit in front of them, teaching them "exactly what to do and say to us."

"They were ordered to take this one, to take 'your portion,'" she says. "And they would take it."

Abdulrahman describes to me how she and one other woman from her colorless cell, college-aged, were usually taken together to another room with no furniture and raped. She remembers clearly the face of one man who tortured her. He was "very, very tan," she says, "very, very thin," and balding, she says; he was one of the men who would hit her while she was hung from the ceiling.

Later, her same acquaintance would be afraid to return home after what happened to her. Abdulrahman says she helped arrange for the young women to get surgery that would restore her "virginity" -- a not-uncommon practice or desire for women raped in Syria, from what I've learned. In Amman in May, I spoke to a surgeon who had tried to refer a young woman to a gynecologist for similar treatment at her request. (The survivor was too frightened to follow through, the surgeon said.)

Back in the windowless, bare cell with about 20 other women, no one spoke much, Abdulrahman says. They hardly slept. The women "were emotionless," she says.

Abdulrahman says she knew that at least seven of the other women in her cell were tortured, but doesn't know about the rest. The women were forcibly folded into tires and beaten, she says. Sometimes they would have salt rubbed into their wounds to maximize the pain, a relatively frequent description of torture in Syria's war. When asked if she remembers any particular names of the guards in the Harasta center, she says the name "Basel" is one she recalls, and possibly "Mazen." According to another source, Basel carried out many rapes at the Harasta center. Another name Abdulrahman remembers is Mohamed Rahmoon.

Rahmoon was known to be head of the detention center, according to various Syrian activists I spoke to. Multiple websites have reported that he was kidnapped in April 2012 and found dead in a hospital in July. Abdulrahman has a clear memory of speaking to him the day she was released.

"He reprimanded me," she says, "for being a part of the revolution." And with a warning not to repeat what had happened to her, she was released. Whether a bribe was paid this time around, she isn't sure.

Unlike a man I met recently in Jordan who was held at what appears to be this same Harasta detention center, Abdulrahman was detained clothed. She had on a shirt, jacket, and pants. Mazen, 47, the Syrian refugee I met in Amman in May, said he was held nearly naked in a freezing, underground cell. His detention was in February, he told me, and involved 16 days of being strung by his hands from the ceiling with only his toes touching the floor. He said the 50 men in his cell slept in shifts so a few could sit to sleep at a time. When I met him, he was unable to use his right hand because of the torture. He was willing, however to stand against a wall and demonstrate how he was suspended over a mixture of water and diesel fuel that would make him slip around on his toes.

"I could do this forever," he joked.

But Abdulrahman isn't at the point of making jokes yet. What would happen to her after her release would only involve more pain -- it would be just a couple months before her neck bones were broken. First would come a second month-long detention in a government cell in Fir' Al-Khatib in Damascus in October 2012. The torture continued during this second detention, she says, but not the rape.

The day she nearly died a couple months later, a man -- a friend -- in the FSA using the pseudonym Abu Bakr was shot for having organized an attack at a regime checkpoint. As she was poised over his wounded body, Abdulrahman says, he gave her his prayer beads. It was then that a soldier struck her in the neck with his rifle. She was six or seven months pregnant with her fifth child at the time. (The child would be delivered at nine months in a Syrian hospital via a C-section.)

A series of stays in various hospitals in Syria then Jordan would follow, leading to her eventual rest for now in this particular hospital in Amman, where she recently received the news that her husband, disgusted by her rape and FSA work, was marrying a new wife. Her children, she says, remain with him.

Alma Abdulrahman's story fits her name -- alma can mean a number of things in Arabic. It can mean "dark" or "black" but it can also refer to a lush kind of tree that is a metaphor for beauty. And the horrors she describes have positioned her to become the face of powerful women survivors in Syria. She says she has fought and killed; she also says she has done it for her country. She says she has endured torture and violation but that she is "capable of standing up against oppression." Speaking out has been a decision she has made after many months of being told to stay quiet.

"We have to share this with the entire world to show that women are fighters," she says. "The Arab woman is very strong. All she needs is just a little freedom."

Mariam Aboukar contributed to this report.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

So we have muslims fighting each other. ..

What does the Qur'an say about this sort of thing?

 

[LethalSami]

 

[Somali Pirate]

So we have muslims fighting each other. ..

What does the Qur'an say about this sort of thing?

This is not a muslim vs muslim war in syria. This is a muslim vs nusayri war

You can thank MIGS and tank shells of t72 tanks of assad for that.

Actually they are busy burning farmlands and olive trees of sunnis right now so the soil becomes useless for farming.

beautiful isn't it?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

This is not a muslim vs muslim war in syria.

Really? How did u work that out?

 

[Somali Pirate]

Really? How did u work that out?

because i did my homework 2 years ago on the alwaite regime that sent hamza al khatib's mutilated body back to his parents.

 

[LongHorn]

Really? How did u work that out?

Because only one sect can claim to be Muslim. The others are "fire worshippers/sons of Mutah" etc.

Cant wait to see how such people will answer to Allah on Judgement Day on how they called other Muslims as non-Muslims

 

[oyei]

This is not a muslim vs muslim war in syria. This is a muslim vs nusayri

i am muslim, and i do not support this war, i am sure Majority of the Muslims in the world do not support this war, hope democracy prevails unless chacha Blair is a PM.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Because only one sect can claim to be Muslim. The others are "fire worshippers/sons of Mutah" etc.

Cant wait to see how such people will answer to Allah on Judgement Day on how they called other Muslims as non-Muslims

Its really embarassingly that we have kids being taught the art of fitna.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

This is not a muslim vs muslim war in syria. This is a muslim vs nusayri

i am muslim, and i do not support this war, i am sure Majority of the Muslims in the world do not support this war, hope democracy prevails unless chacha Blair is a PM.

Frankly, its not about you, me or anyone else and what we think.

The majority of syrians no longer want the tyrany of the minority. End of.

We can only hope for a peaceful transition. The alawites need to think beyond Assad, or ultimately they will be on a hiding, just like Saddam and the Sunnis of Iraq.

 

[saeedhk]

Double standards.Saudia Arabia also sent its army to quell the Shia uprising in Bahrain.Many protesters were killed and tortured.Now,when Iran is sending its army to Syria,the world is complaining.The killings in Bahrain received very less coverage since it is an ally of the west.Although i admit the killings were not as much as that in Syria but still no condemnations etc.

 

[Black Zero]

spin shot...

i am not even sure if its same city...

 

[Black Zero]

QQ: whats the %age of wahabis in syria ..
(whabis = a rigid, radical and extreme sub-sect of sunnis )

 

[oyei]

This is not a muslim vs muslim war in syria. This is a muslim vs nusayri

Frankly, its not about you, me or anyone else and what we think.

The majority of syrians no longer want the tyrany of the minority. End of.

We can only hope for a peaceful transition. The alawites need to think beyond Assad, or ultimately they will be on a hiding, just like Saddam and the Sunnis of Iraq.

80% of the syrian army are Sunni, true they are not wahabis.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

80% of the syrian army are Sunni, true they are not wahabis.

Take a guess at how many indians in british indian army or for that matter shias in saddam army. Comical Ali was a shia.

 

[oyei]

Take a guess at how many indians in british indian army or for that matter shias in saddam army. Comical Ali was a shia.

i think you are pretty sure that majority of the British army are not Indians.

but lets not debate trivial facts.

 

[shaykh]

80% of the syrian army are Sunni, true they are not wahabis.

Somali Pirate isn't interested in points like this as they don't fit his preferred narrative...

I mentioned specific names in the opposition like Assad's own uncle...

I mentioned the commander in chief of the Syrian army who is a Sunni...

I mentioned Sunni Ulema who have been murdered by the rebels for siding with Bashar...

What he also fails to take interest in is the fact that the opposition are hardly monolithic...you have hardline Islamists, secularists...Sunnis, Shias, Christians, Alawiis...all sorts of ethnicities, religions and ideologies opposing Assad and fighting for him...

 

[the Great Khan]

QQ: whats the %age of wahabis in syria ..
(whabis = a rigid, radical and extreme sub-sect of sunnis )

im no expert but I suspect there may be a reasonable number. However some of them may not support the rebels either. We need to probably classify the more etreme rebels as takfiris.

Anyway my brief take on things: Im no supporter of assad. I think he had a golden opportunity to enact political reforms but due to his own weakness couldnt go through with it which allowed his enemies the chance they needed. His forces have been guilty of some very atrocious crimes and one must question their training, beliefs and discipline.

However I do understand Hizballahs intervention as hasan nasrullah is far more cleverer than the king of damascus. They made a calculated decision with all the risks to intervene quickly and protect their supply lines, while at the same time ensuring assad doesnt fall apart completley. Nasrullah is no real admirer of assad but understands the region very well. The hizb are the best arab fighting force in the region and will preserve their interests even if that means taking a risk into syria.

coming onto the rebels, they are a mix of ex syrian army and jihadi types from everywhere. they have also committed gross massacres against shia and non muslims and must not be seen as some kind of freedom movement.

So in all of this where should a Muslim stand? simple with justice, which means every peace loving justice loving Muslim should demand an immediate ceasefire so that negotiations with all parties can take place. Nobody will win this war, but people can win the peace.

 

[LongHorn]

Double standards.Saudia Arabia also sent its army to quell the Shia uprising in Bahrain.Many protesters were killed and tortured.Now,when Iran is sending its army to Syria,the world is complaining.The killings in Bahrain received very less coverage since it is an ally of the west.Although i admit the killings were not as much as that in Syria but still no condemnations etc.

Let me explain the difference;

In Bahrain the protesters were causing chaos so SA sent troops to bring order and it is a noble act

In Syria, Iran has no right to send troops to quell the protesters.
They are evil/children of Mutah/majoos, and should be eradicated

Now you see how biased people can be?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Its really embarassingly that we have kids being taught the art of fitna.

Well if what I have read about Alawis and they believe that Ali is God who created Muhammad and is part of a trinity with another shia imam, reject QUran and believe in reincarnation then its quite clear that they aren't muslim. In fact the Fitnah in this case is to include them under the banner of Islam.

What do you think khan ji, are those beliefs ( if true of Alawis) that of Muslims?

 

[Eagle_Eye]

i think you are pretty sure that majority of the British army are not Indians.

but lets not debate trivial facts.

Yes take a guess how many of the British Indian army were Indians? Over 2 million during second world war. Does that mean that all Indians were in favour of the British staying on??

Fact is Alawites control the army completely and that is how they came to power.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Let me explain the difference;

In Bahrain the protesters were causing chaos so SA sent troops to bring order and it is a noble act

In Syria, Iran has no right to send troops to quell the protesters.
They are evil/children of Mutah/majoos, and should be eradicated

Now you see how biased people can be?

Shias are not majority anymore.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Well if what I have read about Alawis and they believe that Ali is God who created Muhammad and is part of a trinity with another shia imam, reject QUran and believe in reincarnation then its quite clear that they aren't muslim. In fact the Fitnah in this case is to include them under the banner of Islam.

What do you think khan ji, are those beliefs ( if true of Alawis) that of Muslims?

Do u genuinely think that someone believes Ali is God?

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

The biggest joke is people thinking there is anything religious about this at all.

We are fools for falling into that trap.

This is pure politics. Plain and simple.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Do u genuinely think that someone believes Ali is God?

From what I have read and heard about Alawis that seems to be the case. What is your opinion on their beliefs? Why do you feel they are muslim?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

The biggest joke is people thinking there is anything religious about this at all.

We are fools for falling into that trap.

This is pure politics. Plain and simple.

It is religious but not religious. Alawis are killing Muslims and vice versa but not for religious reasons.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

From what I have read and heard about Alawis that seems to be the case. What is your opinion on their beliefs? Why do you feel they are muslim?

I am no expert on alawism. I disagree with their views (whatever they are) because I have different views.

I defend their right to have a different view though.

From what I understand they venerate hazrat Ali more than they should but they dont say he is god.

I don want to get into that debate anyway because I couldn't care less and its irrelevant.

The point is that this is a political games. And we as muslims have got sucked right in.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

It is religious but not religious. Alawis are killing Muslims and vice versa but not for religious reasons.

Hence political.

Most of the army are sunnis rather than alawaites.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

In case people were wondering about the real game being played.

Israel is pissed off that it got beaten by hizbollah.

Israel through america is now making a clever move to weaken it.

It cant directly beat hizbollah.

It cant directly beat iran.

Its gone for the weak link syria. In one fell swoop hizbollah and iran are irretrievably beaten.

They are willing to fund "terrorists" to make this happen.

Muslims as fools have fallen into the political trap set... hook line and sinker.

 

[pakistanalltheway]

Syrian Civil War

Muslims killing Muslims all over the world . We don't need enemies we will wipe our selves out while the Zionists sit and laugh .

 

[shaykh]

Do u genuinely think that someone believes Ali is God?

Alawiis are not Muslim...Shias dont consider them Muslim either...

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Muslims killing Muslims all over the world . We don't need enemies we will wipe our selves out while the Zionists sit and laugh .

Only fools and horses work. ... lala la lala.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Alawiis are not Muslim...Shias dont consider them Muslim either...

Couldn't care less. ....

Muslims are the tail that's wagging to the tune of the enemy.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Couldn't care less. ....

Muslims are the tail that's wagging to the tune of the enemy.

Thats fair enough you choose to sit neutral now but in previous posts you essentially agreed with a poster claiming them to be muslim and said 'kids trained in fitnah'.

If you want to sit on the fence then you should do it from the start, not when its convenient.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Thats fair enough you choose to sit neutral now but in previous posts you essentially agreed with a poster claiming them to be muslim and said 'kids trained in fitnah'.

If you want to sit on the fence then you should do it from the start, not when its convenient.

I've said from the beginning I don't know enough about Alawis to say if they are or are not muslims. Clearly I disagree with their view. Personally of they say they are muslims that's enough for me. I leave the rest to Allah.

I am talking in more general terms around fitna. The ummah is getting more and more divided working less and less for Muslim interests at the behest of the enemy. Look at the statements being made by various Muslim sects and countries. (Ignoring Alawis).

Kids ARE BEING trained in fitna..... Look at the Qaradawi statements.

The point is that this is not about alawism.

This is about muslims being pawns in a larger strategic battle and being sucked in hook line and sinker....

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Always look at the bigger picture.

Muslims are good at getting lost in silly details.

 

[shaykh]

Couldn't care less. ....

Muslims are the tail that's wagging to the tune of the enemy.

I agree and have stated as much in this thread...point is however is Alawiis are no more Muslim than Christians are...

I have also stated that its not nearly as simple as Sunnis V Alawiiis...those in favour of Assad are as diverse a group as those who oppose him...

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Does there really have to be an external enemy that is pulling the strings? Wasn't it just a matter of time before people got sick of dictators?

 

[oyei]

Yes take a guess how many of the British Indian army were Indians? Over 2 million during second world war. Does that mean that all Indians were in favour of the British staying on??

Fact is Alawites control the army completely and that is how they came to power.

back then British were one of the super power, Indians had no support, no weapons were provided to fight for freedom, and no one cared much about India during WW II.

What is the excuse for these Sunnis fighting for Asad? West and wahabis are ready to shower them with gold and weapons so why are these Sunnis being controlled by the minority are not defecting?

 

[oyei]

I agree and have stated as much in this thread...point is however is Alawiis are no more Muslim than Christians are...

I have also stated that its not nearly as simple as Sunnis V Alawiiis...those in favour of Assad are as diverse a group as those who oppose him...

You have stated this fact in every post of yours in this thread, but for some reason most just can't seem to grasp this simple fact and continue to argue with redundant one sided fact which have been proven wrong multiple times by you.

 

[Black Zero]

why there is no movement in Jordan (poor Arab Country), Behrain (Minority ruling the majority), KSA/UAE/Oman/Qatar/Kuwait etc?

Cause these countries ruled by "good" dictators.

I am all for against Assad (hafiz or Bashr) but I am also against (Abdullah II and I)/Abdullah(KSA), Qaboos (Oman)/Khalifa (UAE)/etc. etc.

if someone denouncing assad without denouncing others is simply a hypocrite and must be disregarded in any meaningful conversation.

 

[MR__KHAN__JI]

Re: Syrian Civil War

Does there really have to be an external enemy that is pulling the strings? Wasn't it just a matter of time before people got sick of dictators?

Its never as simple as people make out.

There are always multiple layers which need to be assessed.

See Black zeros response if it was as simple as people rising against dictators.


In Syria the biggest play is the attempted break up of the Iran hizbollah axis.

 

[akheR]

Does there really have to be an external enemy that is pulling the strings? Wasn't it just a matter of time before people got sick of dictators?

The question is why they never got sick before ? Because even if he was a dictator - which isn't a problem for Arabs, as it's more the norm than the exception in the region - he was not a "Alawite" dictator. He was an Arab nationalist who had non-Alawite representatives in all the key factions of the country, including the so much vilified Army right now (you know, the-army-which-rape-poor-children). His Alawite belonging didn't influence his policies, which actually reflected his Ba'ath Party's (a party created by a Christian Arab, an Alawite and a Sunni Arab, talk of symbols), namely a strong Arab nationalism with stress on social policies.

The "average" Syrian, the one getting butchered while the pro-rebels/pro Assad have their *** in the warm West, doesn't care if the dictator is Alawaite or if he prefers Pepsi over Coca Cola ; what he cares about is, for instance, the free medical care and the quality education provided by the Assad government and a post-Assad Syria, which will probably replaced by pro US "Islamists" like in Egypt (you know, delude the masses with the Qur'an and then buy weapons from Amreeeka), will look like the post-Saddam Iraq or the post-Khadafi Libya, hardly exemplary regimes.
Syria (or Iraq and Lybia) is not a paragon of justice, prosperity and equity - and even Assad probably agrees - but the other options are scary.

I just congratulate the 'ummah, though, keep being the footpath of the world, it's easier to get walked on than to walk, I just can't believe how peoples have transformed into a "Sunni vs non Sunni" civil war, you do need the geo political sagacity of an autistic squirrel to do so, and Somali Pirate would preferably see Syria turn into the too numerous already existing Islamic failed states than the secular government it is right now.

If you're Pakistanis, have you ever met those non Pak Muslims, sitting way far away (and not buying fruits in some market of Peshawar or praying in a Sufi dargah in Lahore, these kinda pro US imperialist crimes for which you need to be blown up), who support Talibans, incl. the beheading of your soldiers and ten thousands of civilians deaths because of a twisted view of religion ? Probably makes you angry, right ? That's what's happening with the Syrians, on a larger scale.

 

[akheR]

Anyone see Putins reply to Cameron ?
The look on Cameron's face made me lol

Vladimir became Vlad the Impaler for a minute

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[pakistanalltheway]

Syrian Civil War

The question is why they never got sick before ? Because even if he was a dictator - which isn't a problem for Arabs, as it's more the norm than the exception in the region - he was not a "Alawite" dictator. He was an Arab nationalist who had non-Alawite representatives in all the key factions of the country, including the so much vilified Army right now (you know, the-army-which-rape-poor-children). His Alawite belonging didn't influence his policies, which actually reflected his Ba'ath Party's (a party created by a Christian Arab, an Alawite and a Sunni Arab, talk of symbols), namely a strong Arab nationalism with stress on social policies.

The "average" Syrian, the one getting butchered while the pro-rebels/pro Assad have their *** in the warm West, doesn't care if the dictator is Alawaite or if he prefers Pepsi over Coca Cola ; what he cares about is, for instance, the free medical care and the quality education provided by the Assad government and a post-Assad Syria, which will probably replaced by pro US "Islamists" like in Egypt (you know, delude the masses with the Qur'an and then buy weapons from Amreeeka), will look like the post-Saddam Iraq or the post-Khadafi Libya, hardly exemplary regimes.
Syria (or Iraq and Lybia) is not a paragon of justice, prosperity and equity - and even Assad probably agrees - but the other options are scary.

I just congratulate the 'ummah, though, keep being the footpath of the world, it's easier to get walked on than to walk, I just can't believe how peoples have transformed into a "Sunni vs non Sunni" civil war, you do need the geo political sagacity of an autistic squirrel to do so, and Somali Pirate would preferably see Syria turn into the too numerous already existing Islamic failed states than the secular government it is right now.

If you're Pakistanis, have you ever met those non Pak Muslims, sitting way far away (and not buying fruits in some market of Peshawar or praying in a Sufi dargah in Lahore, these kinda pro US imperialist crimes for which you need to be blown up), who support Talibans, incl. the beheading of your soldiers and ten thousands of civilians deaths because of a twisted view of religion ? Probably makes you angry, right ? That's what's happening with the Syrians, on a larger scale.

I stood up and clapped . Great post .

 

[observer1]

Absolute disgrace the amount of support Assad is getting.

All Internet opinions aside. You can ask the millions of refugees in Turkey what they think of the Assad Dynasty and his Alawite regime.

There are numerous videos and pictures out there of what Assad's troops have done to women and children.

Stop making excuses for him.

 

[pakistanalltheway]

Syrian Civil War

Absolute disgrace the amount of support Assad is getting.

All Internet opinions aside. You can ask the millions of refugees in Turkey what they think of the Assad Dynasty and his Alawite regime.

There are numerous videos and pictures out there of what Assad's troops have done to women and children.

Stop making excuses for him.

Read the whole thread please before writing misinformed posts . No one is making excuses for Assad in fact you will find people making excuses for the rebels .

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

Absolute disgrace the amount of support Assad is getting.

All Internet opinions aside. You can ask the millions of refugees in Turkey what they think of the Assad Dynasty and his Alawite regime.

There are numerous videos and pictures out there of what Assad's troops have done to women and children.

Stop making excuses for him.

come on man ..assad is a hero ..hes fighting the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" ...he only uses " the clever bombs"created by the great friend of islam and muslims Mr putin( ask afghans and checnyans) ..his bombs only kill the terrorists they have never killed any innocent person till date .videos of headless kids and women buried alive after "airstrikes" u see everyday are actually propaganda created by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" to demonize the great moderate peace loving countrys of iran Russia and there cute kid hasan nasrullah ..93000 people who have been killed so far in this war are actually 80% terrorists and 20% are innocent ppl killed by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" assad is a angel send from heaven just like his father ..how can angels be wrong


so please don't believe the videos u see of assads army stabing kids to death ..burying and burning old men to death ..these r as I said videos created by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists"

 

[UmarAkmals-fan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxEhYZ4Ubc

great morals

 

[shaykh]

come on man ..assad is a hero ..hes fighting the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" ...he only uses " the clever bombs"created by the great friend of islam and muslims Mr putin( ask afghans and checnyans) ..his bombs only kill the terrorists they have never killed any innocent person till date .videos of headless kids and women buried alive after "airstrikes" u see everyday are actually propaganda created by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" to demonize the great moderate peace loving countrys of iran Russia and there cute kid hasan nasrullah ..93000 people who have been killed so far in this war are actually 80% terrorists and 20% are innocent ppl killed by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists" assad is a angel send from heaven just like his father ..how can angels be wrong


so please don't believe the videos u see of assads army stabing kids to death ..burying and burning old men to death ..these r as I said videos created by the "CIA funded wahabi salafi Saudi Qatari terrorists"

You and Somali Pirate come out with the same drivel all the time and never reply to actual posts addressed at you...

Please point out posts where anyone has stated that Assad isn't killing civilians...everyone here is condemning Assad's indiscriminate use of force...the difference however is people like you and Somali Pirate continue to make excuses for the indiscriminate use of force used by the rebels...its pathetic frankly...

No-one has called Assad a hero...but you guys certainly are calling the rebels heroes when they are anything but...

 

[Safar55]

im no expert but I suspect there may be a reasonable number. However some of them may not support the rebels either. We need to probably classify the more etreme rebels as takfiris.

Anyway my brief take on things: Im no supporter of assad. I think he had a golden opportunity to enact political reforms but due to his own weakness couldnt go through with it which allowed his enemies the chance they needed. His forces have been guilty of some very atrocious crimes and one must question their training, beliefs and discipline.

However I do understand Hizballahs intervention as hasan nasrullah is far more cleverer than the king of damascus. They made a calculated decision with all the risks to intervene quickly and protect their supply lines, while at the same time ensuring assad doesnt fall apart completley. Nasrullah is no real admirer of assad but understands the region very well. The hizb are the best arab fighting force in the region and will preserve their interests even if that means taking a risk into syria.

coming onto the rebels, they are a mix of ex syrian army and jihadi types from everywhere. they have also committed gross massacres against shia and non muslims and must not be seen as some kind of freedom movement.

So in all of this where should a Muslim stand? simple with justice, which means every peace loving justice loving Muslim should demand an immediate ceasefire so that negotiations with all parties can take place. Nobody will win this war, but people can win the peace.

Care to back this up with evidence? From any independant media reports? Or even individuals on the ground?

Anyone who talks about JUSTICE - I truly find amazing that you can EQUATE the scale of crimes committed by either side. how can anyone compare the biting of an organ of a dead soldier - who accordng to the "cannibal" - had videos of rape and torture pf syrian women on his phone. To the slaughter of 10s of thosands including the slitting of throats of babies and children. And raping and buring of women in many many thousands..... Can anyone equate this and say both parties are equally EVIL??!

Please, give me a break from such nonsense. i seriously doubt the intentions (sincerety) of anyone who does this. either that, or they are cmpletely naive to the limit of stupidity.

You expect people (the majority) who have been bombed tortured raped etc. etc. to sit down with talks with a man and people who have no intentions of relinquishing power or leaving off their evil ways. The foreign "terrorists" are hezb and the iranians. As bad as the islamist Jihadi extremists are... At least the majority of syrians will tolerate them above the hezb/iranians. qusair a town of 30.,000 before was cleared out and reduced to rubble due to regime-hezb-iranian bombardment, then the properties were looted and many civilians exiting the coty were targetted - all of this is verifiable by first hand account and even MSM media like the BBC who entered embbedded with rAssads regime.

If anyone who has an interest in this conflict and truly have concern for the majority of people in Syria - there is only really one side that should never be supported to come out on top - Assad winning is the worse case scenario for the majority of the people. even though there are many sides taking part. personally I didnt think the revolution was a good idea, but once it turned into an armed conflict there wasnt really a choice to be made in terms of who the people should have supported. In the end every person will be swept up into the conflict even those surroundng countries.

 

[Black Zero]

Assad winning is the worse case scenario for the majority of the people. even though there are many sides taking part. personally I didnt think the revolution was a good idea, but once it turned into an armed conflict there wasnt really a choice to be made in terms of who the people should have supported. In the end every person will be swept up into the conflict even those surroundng countries.

i am not so sure about it...

lets assume...

assad goes, al qaida with arab support...start massacring shias/allwaites in syria...
this may well spread to iraq and shia start killing sunnis in iraq...and then shia- sunni war in lebanon ...

so i am not sure if defeating assad will help the region much...

however, i am against all the dictators, and there must be external pressure to bring political reforms to such countries

 

[akheR]

You and Somali Pirate come out with the same drivel all the time and never reply to actual posts addressed at you...

Please point out posts where anyone has stated that Assad isn't killing civilians...everyone here is condemning Assad's indiscriminate use of force...the difference however is people like you and Somali Pirate continue to make excuses for the indiscriminate use of force used by the rebels...its pathetic frankly...

No-one has called Assad a hero...but you guys certainly are calling the rebels heroes when they are anything but...

Oh no, for some that's too complex to digest that you can be against Assad - who, as a dictator, is a tool by default - AND the rebels.
Let just fuel a civil war with our virtual humanism ("oh, Assad's Army is raping children" as opposed to the rebels who obviously organize rave parties), apparently that's a fun game to sit miles away and pray for blood.

I hope all our virtual humanists help Syrian refugees, though, and by "helping" I'm not talking of the Gulf pigs who sexually exploit the women (because of a civil war they financed, to begin with) or those "mudjahideen" from all over the 'ummah who will never move their backside for reconstructing a flood-stricken country but the first to come if they have a chance to use their newly-gifted AK47s (in a country other than theirs, of course).

 

[KingKhanWC]

A fascinating watch.

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[Markhor]

Anyone see Melanie Philips on Question Time last night ?

She called for Iran to be 'neutralised' and cited some Shia messiah conspiracy theory as part of her reasoning. She is also by the way, a crank Islamophobe and a Daily Mail columnist.

She was audibly heckled by the audience too and launched into full rant mode, calling the audience 'trivial and ignorant'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02zc9l5/Question_Time_20_06_2013/

38:00 is when the madness starts.

 

[akheR]

Anyone see Melanie Philips on Question Time last night ?

She called for Iran to be 'neutralised' and cited some Shia messiah conspiracy theory as part of her reasoning. She is also by the way, a crank Islamophobe and a Daily Mail columnist.

She was audibly heckled by the audience too and launched into full rant mode, calling the audience 'trivial and ignorant'.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b02zc9l5/Question_Time_20_06_2013/

38:00 is when the madness starts.

Good reaction from the crowd, waiting for Saudis to release a fatwa on how theologically sound she is so jobless youth from the 'ummah inc. can spread Islam in Iran too.

 

[LongHorn]

ally exploit the women (because of a civil war they financed, to begin with) or those "mudjahideen" from all over the 'ummah who will never move their backside for reconstructing a flood-stricken country but the first to come if they have a chance to use their newly-gifted AK47s (in a country other than theirs, of course).

They will find fault with those suffering from floods and say they deserve it as Allahs wrath as they are not good Muslims

 

[Black Zero]

A fascinating watch.

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interesting, western muslim women travelling to these countries just to get married to these "mujahideen/terrorists" while knowing that the guy would be (most likely) killed soon.

now she (wife) would brought up her baby as a radical human being...

 

[LongHorn]

I truly find amazing that you can EQUATE the scale of crimes committed by either side. how can anyone compare the biting of an organ of a dead soldier - who accordng to the "cannibal" - had videos of rape and torture pf syrian women on his phone. To the slaughter of 10s of thosands including the slitting of throats of babies and children. And raping and buring of women in many many thousands..... Can anyone equate this and say both parties are equally EVIL??!

. At least the majority of syrians will tolerate them above the hezb/iranians. .

You are assuming that the heart eating was the worst possible crime committed by the rebels, when there were other much worse crimes, including cleansing entire towns of people belonging to the wrong sect, but maybe that is acceptable to you...

How do you know that most syrians tolerate the extremists over the current govt?

You are the naive one when you paint a scenario of 10s of 1000s killed by the regime while all the rebels did wrong was eat the heart of one dead soldier.

 

[SpiritOf1903]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/22/satirical-puppet-show-syria-bashar-al-assad

 

[shaykh]

Even some of the opposition expressed their annoyance at the execution of a 15 year old boy in Aleppo for alleged blasphemy...

The Syrian Observatory of Human Rights even admitted:

"This kind of criminality is exactly what makes people in Syria fear the fall of the regime," Abdel Rahman said.

And here is what the boy said:

It is thought Kattaa's customer was trying to get a free coffee and the boy responded "Even if Muhammad comes down, I will not give it as debt."

Theres a vid 'The storming and cleansing of Hatla' which was covered in the Independent...60 Shia's were massacred there...

This is Al Nusrah...

Thats why its pretty shameful that these guys are on here having a big moan about Assad whilst giving the opposition in particular Al Nusrah a pass...

If you condemned some of the stuff the rebels were doing then it would actually appear a little sincere the concern you seem to have about Syrians but evidently none of you do...

And none of you will reply to this message and will later cuss everyone here for being Assad supporters...

I guess the two year old they slaughtered was asking for it...

This is why neither side deserves anyones support...

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...cred-in-rebel-cleansing-of-hatla-8656301.html